From caleb at biofuels.coop  Fri Oct 12 09:35:29 2007
From: caleb at biofuels.coop (Caleb Daniels)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:35:29 +0900
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] homebrew
Message-ID: <4924dfdd0710120635s5997a77ci2d82d12399820af2@mail.gmail.com>

We did some testing on the homebrew from this week and found that it is
gelling at a higher temperature than chicken fat biodiesel.  If you blend
down to B50 it should be fine.  As soon as we figure out the problem we'll
let you guys know and try to fix it.
Thanks
Caleb
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From benjaming at nc.rr.com  Sun Oct 14 16:20:16 2007
From: benjaming at nc.rr.com (Ben G)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:20:16 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] homebrew
References: <4924dfdd0710120635s5997a77ci2d82d12399820af2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401c80e9f$a294d170$6501a8c0@D2JYRM81>

I was up in the mountains this past weekend, and a few jugs of biodiesel i had brought with me froze up.  I had blended what was in my tank to about B80, and that seemed to work fine, but strait B100 kinda froze up, it got down in the high 20s - low 30s.  keep some petro diesel on hand, and maybe some Power Service

-Ben G
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Caleb Daniels 
  To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop 
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:35 AM
  Subject: [Biofuels Workers] homebrew


  We did some testing on the homebrew from this week and found that it is gelling at a higher temperature than chicken fat biodiesel.  If you blend down to B50 it should be fine.  As soon as we figure out the problem we'll let you guys know and try to fix it. 
  Thanks
  Caleb



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From guapo42 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 18:43:48 2007
From: guapo42 at gmail.com (Ian)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:43:48 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] homebrew
In-Reply-To: <002401c80e9f$a294d170$6501a8c0@D2JYRM81>
References: <4924dfdd0710120635s5997a77ci2d82d12399820af2@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c80e9f$a294d170$6501a8c0@D2JYRM81>
Message-ID: <31f532610710141543h7cc65dd5k505367705f46fd42@mail.gmail.com>

I was just doing some research on this and found a site saying that Wintron
XC30 ( http://www.biofuelsystems.com/wintron.htm) worked well. Has anyone
had any experience with this stuff?

-Ian

On 10/14/07, Ben G <benjaming at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>  I was up in the mountains this past weekend, and a few jugs of biodiesel
> i had brought with me froze up.  I had blended what was in my tank to about
> B80, and that seemed to work fine, but strait B100 kinda froze up, it got
> down in the high 20s - low 30s.  keep some petro diesel on hand, and maybe
> some Power Service
>
> -Ben G
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Caleb Daniels <caleb at biofuels.coop>
> *To:* workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> *Sent:* Friday, October 12, 2007 9:35 AM
> *Subject:* [Biofuels Workers] homebrew
>
> We did some testing on the homebrew from this week and found that it is
> gelling at a higher temperature than chicken fat biodiesel.  If you blend
> down to B50 it should be fine.  As soon as we figure out the problem we'll
> let you guys know and try to fix it.
> Thanks
> Caleb
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From clemen at duke.edu  Mon Oct 15 10:42:35 2007
From: clemen at duke.edu (Bob Clemen)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:42:35 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] 1987 Mercedes 300SDL
In-Reply-To: <42173DD6-78AD-4A6D-8373-52A92C5D5321@mac.com>
References: <505715.95620.qm@web52007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<42173DD6-78AD-4A6D-8373-52A92C5D5321@mac.com>
Message-ID: <47137C5B.1060203@duke.edu>

There is a 1987 Mercedes 300SDL, about 250K miles, that is not being 
used and probably could be acquired at a reasonable price (Kelley Blue 
book around $2500-$3000.) It's in Pittsboro, belongs to Bob Gunn. He 
bought a replacement car a while back, and he said he would probably be 
interested in selling the '87. I haven't seen it, so I don't know what 
kind of shape it's in. Probably not perfect, but also probably not bad.

If you are interested, send me an email, and I will pass it on to Bob. 
Or, I imagine that you can track down Bob Gunn's phone # in the 
Pittsboro phone book.

Thanks! -- BC

-- 
Bob Clemen
Fuqua School of Business
Duke University, Box 90120
Durham, NC 27708-0120

Phone: 919-660-8005
Fax: 919-684-2818
WWW: http://faculty.fuqua.duke.edu/~clemen/bio/


From mattr at biofuels.coop  Mon Oct 15 22:46:31 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:46:31 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] homebrew
In-Reply-To: <31f532610710141543h7cc65dd5k505367705f46fd42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924dfdd0710120635s5997a77ci2d82d12399820af2@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c80e9f$a294d170$6501a8c0@D2JYRM81>
	<31f532610710141543h7cc65dd5k505367705f46fd42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B53D0B09-BB1A-41E3-901F-242581EB6D92@biofuels.coop>

Yes, I've tried Wintron XC30 and it had only a very slight affect on  
B100.  I suspect it works fine on B20 (on the D80 side of B20 that is).

On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Ian wrote:

> I was just doing some research on this and found a site saying that  
> Wintron XC30 ( http://www.biofuelsystems.com/wintron.htm) worked  
> well. Has anyone had any experience with this stuff?
>
> -Ian
>
> On 10/14/07, Ben G <benjaming at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> I was up in the mountains this past weekend, and a few jugs of  
> biodiesel i had brought with me froze up.  I had blended what was  
> in my tank to about B80, and that seemed to work fine, but strait  
> B100 kinda froze up, it got down in the high 20s - low 30s.  keep  
> some petro diesel on hand, and maybe some Power Service
>
> -Ben G
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Caleb Daniels
> To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:35 AM
> Subject: [Biofuels Workers] homebrew
>
> We did some testing on the homebrew from this week and found that  
> it is gelling at a higher temperature than chicken fat biodiesel.   
> If you blend down to B50 it should be fine.  As soon as we figure  
> out the problem we'll let you guys know and try to fix it.
> Thanks
> Caleb
>
>
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> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
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From guapo42 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 22:51:38 2007
From: guapo42 at gmail.com (Ian)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:51:38 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] homebrew
In-Reply-To: <B53D0B09-BB1A-41E3-901F-242581EB6D92@biofuels.coop>
References: <4924dfdd0710120635s5997a77ci2d82d12399820af2@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401c80e9f$a294d170$6501a8c0@D2JYRM81>
	<31f532610710141543h7cc65dd5k505367705f46fd42@mail.gmail.com>
	<B53D0B09-BB1A-41E3-901F-242581EB6D92@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <31f532610710151951m3053bb99laf9484b47328752b@mail.gmail.com>

Good to know thanks.

On 10/15/07, Matthew Rudolf <mattr at biofuels.coop> wrote:
>
> Yes, I've tried Wintron XC30 and it had only a very slight affect on
> B100.  I suspect it works fine on B20 (on the D80 side of B20 that is).
>
> On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Ian wrote:
>
> > I was just doing some research on this and found a site saying that
> > Wintron XC30 ( http://www.biofuelsystems.com/wintron.htm) worked
> > well. Has anyone had any experience with this stuff?
> >
> > -Ian
> >
> > On 10/14/07, Ben G <benjaming at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> > I was up in the mountains this past weekend, and a few jugs of
> > biodiesel i had brought with me froze up.  I had blended what was
> > in my tank to about B80, and that seemed to work fine, but strait
> > B100 kinda froze up, it got down in the high 20s - low 30s.  keep
> > some petro diesel on hand, and maybe some Power Service
> >
> > -Ben G
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Caleb Daniels
> > To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:35 AM
> > Subject: [Biofuels Workers] homebrew
> >
> > We did some testing on the homebrew from this week and found that
> > it is gelling at a higher temperature than chicken fat biodiesel.
> > If you blend down to B50 it should be fine.  As soon as we figure
> > out the problem we'll let you guys know and try to fix it.
> > Thanks
> > Caleb
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Workers mailing list
> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
> Matthew Rudolf
> Piedmont Biofuels
> www.biofuels.coop
>
>
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From simonlobdell at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 09:30:53 2007
From: simonlobdell at gmail.com (Simon Lobdell)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:30:53 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] 1987 Mercedes 300SDL
In-Reply-To: <47137C5B.1060203@duke.edu>
References: <505715.95620.qm@web52007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<42173DD6-78AD-4A6D-8373-52A92C5D5321@mac.com>
	<47137C5B.1060203@duke.edu>
Message-ID: <3527113b0710190630y65d41f7n2f04e5fce45d5ee9@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested in the car.  can you send him my info.  Maybe I can look at
it this weekend or something.

Simon



On 10/15/07, Bob Clemen <clemen at duke.edu> wrote:
>
> There is a 1987 Mercedes 300SDL, about 250K miles, that is not being
> used and probably could be acquired at a reasonable price (Kelley Blue
> book around $2500-$3000.) It's in Pittsboro, belongs to Bob Gunn. He
> bought a replacement car a while back, and he said he would probably be
> interested in selling the '87. I haven't seen it, so I don't know what
> kind of shape it's in. Probably not perfect, but also probably not bad.
>
> If you are interested, send me an email, and I will pass it on to Bob.
> Or, I imagine that you can track down Bob Gunn's phone # in the
> Pittsboro phone book.
>
> Thanks! -- BC
>
> --
> Bob Clemen
> Fuqua School of Business
> Duke University, Box 90120
> Durham, NC 27708-0120
>
> Phone: 919-660-8005
> Fax: 919-684-2818
> WWW: http://faculty.fuqua.duke.edu/~clemen/bio/
>
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From icinspire at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 19 09:40:22 2007
From: icinspire at hotmail.com (G P)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:40:22 -0700
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] 1987 Mercedes 300SDL
In-Reply-To: <3527113b0710190630y65d41f7n2f04e5fce45d5ee9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <505715.95620.qm@web52007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<42173DD6-78AD-4A6D-8373-52A92C5D5321@mac.com>
	<47137C5B.1060203@duke.edu> 
	<3527113b0710190630y65d41f7n2f04e5fce45d5ee9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-W369F1539BD93A7C0C7276BBF9F0@phx.gbl>


I just bought a 1988 Ford 250 Diesel, does anyone know how to convert it to biodiesel? Or how much it would cost?


Thanks,
Glo





Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:30:53 -0400From: simonlobdell at gmail.comTo: workers at lists.biofuels.coopSubject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] 1987 Mercedes 300SDL
I am interested in the car.  can you send him my info.  Maybe I can look at it this weekend or something.
 
Simon
 
On 10/15/07, Bob Clemen <clemen at duke.edu> wrote: 
There is a 1987 Mercedes 300SDL, about 250K miles, that is not beingused and probably could be acquired at a reasonable price (Kelley Blue book around $2500-$3000.) It's in Pittsboro, belongs to Bob Gunn. Hebought a replacement car a while back, and he said he would probably beinterested in selling the '87. I haven't seen it, so I don't know what kind of shape it's in. Probably not perfect, but also probably not bad.If you are interested, send me an email, and I will pass it on to Bob.Or, I imagine that you can track down Bob Gunn's phone # in the Pittsboro phone book.Thanks! -- BC--Bob ClemenFuqua School of BusinessDuke University, Box 90120Durham, NC 27708-0120Phone: 919-660-8005Fax: 919-684-2818WWW: http://faculty.fuqua.duke.edu/~clemen/bio/_______________________________________________Workers mailing listWorkers at lists.biofuels.coophttp://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers-- Simon Lobdell, EITEnvironmental Engineer(412) 855 2987 
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From Buchholz_Dean_E at cat.com  Fri Oct 19 10:02:37 2007
From: Buchholz_Dean_E at cat.com (Dean E. Buchholz)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:02:37 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Dean E. Buchholz/0Y/Caterpillar is out of the
	office.
Message-ID: <OF915ADA4D.BF5F553A-ON85257379.004D252C-85257379.004D252C@notes.cat.com>


I will be out of the office starting  10/18/2007 and will not return until
10/23/2007.



From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:02:01 2007
From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:02:01 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] 1987 Mercedes 300SDL
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-W369F1539BD93A7C0C7276BBF9F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC01B4048B@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>

No conversions needed to run biodiesel. Just put it in the tank, and go
:-)

	-----Original Message-----
	From: workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop
[mailto:workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop] On Behalf Of G P
	Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:40 AM
	To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers
	Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] 1987 Mercedes 300SDL
	
	
	I just bought a 1988 Ford 250 Diesel, does anyone know how to
convert it to biodiesel? Or how much it would cost?
	
	
	
	Thanks,
	Glo
	




	
	
	
	



________________________________

		Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:30:53 -0400
		From: simonlobdell at gmail.com
		To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop
		Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] 1987 Mercedes 300SDL
		
		
		I am interested in the car.  can you send him my info.
Maybe I can look at it this weekend or something.
		 
		Simon


		 
		On 10/15/07, Bob Clemen <clemen at duke.edu> wrote: 

			There is a 1987 Mercedes 300SDL, about 250K
miles, that is not being
			used and probably could be acquired at a
reasonable price (Kelley Blue 
			book around $2500-$3000.) It's in Pittsboro,
belongs to Bob Gunn. He
			bought a replacement car a while back, and he
said he would probably be
			interested in selling the '87. I haven't seen
it, so I don't know what 
			kind of shape it's in. Probably not perfect, but
also probably not bad.
			
			If you are interested, send me an email, and I
will pass it on to Bob.
			Or, I imagine that you can track down Bob Gunn's
phone # in the 
			Pittsboro phone book.
			
			Thanks! -- BC
			
			--
			Bob Clemen
			Fuqua School of Business
			Duke University, Box 90120
			Durham, NC 27708-0120
			
			Phone: 919-660-8005
			Fax: 919-684-2818
			WWW: http://faculty.fuqua.duke.edu/~clemen/bio/
			
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From caleb at biofuels.coop  Mon Oct 22 14:05:08 2007
From: caleb at biofuels.coop (Caleb Daniels)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:05:08 +0900
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
Message-ID: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey gang,
So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic digester.  I
recently found a really great forum on biodigesters and thought this would
be a great place for us to work as well as get some outside opinions from
those with more experience.  Here's the link,
http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=611#611
Hope to see you there
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From rachlh at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 14:19:07 2007
From: rachlh at yahoo.com (Rachel Hoff)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:19:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
In-Reply-To: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <966963.43243.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Caleb,
Thank you!  This seems very exciting.  Hope you are
well.
Again, thank you for all the hard work you are putting
into this project.
Rachel

--- Caleb Daniels <caleb at biofuels.coop> wrote:

> Hey gang,
> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the
> anaerobic digester.  I
> recently found a really great forum on biodigesters
> and thought this would
> be a great place for us to work as well as get some
> outside opinions from
> those with more experience.  Here's the link,
> http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=611#611
> Hope to see you there
> Caleb
> > _______________________________________________
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From david at biofuels.coop  Tue Oct 23 10:16:52 2007
From: david at biofuels.coop (David Thornton)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:16:52 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
In-Reply-To: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <449FACB0-18FF-44BF-8AC8-F225463B2DC3@biofuels.coop>

That drawing really explained a lot. I'm available for help. Maybe we  
should have an earth plaster party this sunday, starting at about  
10am if the weather is nice.
Anyone else interested in plastering? Be nice to get at least 5 of us  
to make the work quick.

David

On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Caleb Daniels wrote:

> Hey gang,
> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic  
> digester.  I recently found a really great forum on biodigesters  
> and thought this would be a great place for us to work as well as  
> get some outside opinions from those with more experience.  Here's  
> the link, http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=611#611
> Hope to see you there
> Caleb
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From sunflowerartistnc at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 10:29:24 2007
From: sunflowerartistnc at yahoo.com (Sunflower Artist)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:29:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] advice on prebuilt reactors
Message-ID: <483722.50702.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi, everyone. Looks like I will be relocating to Texas soon where I will be buying land and starting my winery. I was thinking of buying my own biodiesel setup as soon as I can trade in my van for a TDI beetle. I've been on several sites with prebuilt biodiesel setups and was wondering if one kind is better than others (most are about $3000 plus $400 shipping). I do have a Chem Eng degree but it's been a while since I've built from scratch though I know I'd save some money. Any advice?
   
  Christine

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From david at biofuels.coop  Tue Oct 23 10:39:02 2007
From: david at biofuels.coop (David Thornton)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:39:02 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] advice on prebuilt reactors
In-Reply-To: <483722.50702.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <483722.50702.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E175A8D0-5DA4-407F-8142-CE7BB6AF1353@biofuels.coop>

buy the kit from b100supply.com   It comes with a great instruction  
manual and is very easy to follow. There are even some prebuilt  
systems left over from workshops at PB that you might be able to buy.  
Good luck in your move. I've never heard of a winery in TEXAS. Crazy.

On Oct 23, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Sunflower Artist wrote:

> Hi, everyone. Looks like I will be relocating to Texas soon where I  
> will be buying land and starting my winery. I was thinking of  
> buying my own biodiesel setup as soon as I can trade in my van for  
> a TDI beetle. I've been on several sites with prebuilt biodiesel  
> setups and was wondering if one kind is better than others (most  
> are about $3000 plus $400 shipping). I do have a Chem Eng degree  
> but it's been a while since I've built from scratch though I know  
> I'd save some money. Any advice?
>
> Christine
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
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From sunflowerartistnc at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 23 11:39:29 2007
From: sunflowerartistnc at yahoo.com (Sunflower Artist)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:39:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] advice on prebuilt reactors
In-Reply-To: <E175A8D0-5DA4-407F-8142-CE7BB6AF1353@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <660196.15131.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Cool. Thanks for the advice. I'll talk to Matt about the leftovers. I'm probably going to rent a big truck so might be able to fit it in with the kayak, two chickens, 1 dog and 4 year old son. Whew! 
   
  Christine
   
  PS 10 years ago, Texas was #3 in wine behind CA and NY. I think they are 5th now and NC is 10th or so!

David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop> wrote:
  buy the kit from b100supply.com It comes with a great instruction 
manual and is very easy to follow. There are even some prebuilt 
systems left over from workshops at PB that you might be able to buy. 
Good luck in your move. I've never heard of a winery in TEXAS. Crazy.

On Oct 23, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Sunflower Artist wrote:

> Hi, everyone. Looks like I will be relocating to Texas soon where I 
> will be buying land and starting my winery. I was thinking of 
> buying my own biodiesel setup as soon as I can trade in my van for 
> a TDI beetle. I've been on several sites with prebuilt biodiesel 
> setups and was wondering if one kind is better than others (most 
> are about $3000 plus $400 shipping). I do have a Chem Eng degree 
> but it's been a while since I've built from scratch though I know 
> I'd save some money. Any advice?
>
> Christine
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers

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From david at biofuels.coop  Tue Oct 23 11:43:32 2007
From: david at biofuels.coop (David Thornton)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:43:32 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
In-Reply-To: <20071023113727.6lrn3qxfk48w8o0w@webmail.brandeis.edu>
References: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>
	<449FACB0-18FF-44BF-8AC8-F225463B2DC3@biofuels.coop>
	<20071023113727.6lrn3qxfk48w8o0w@webmail.brandeis.edu>
Message-ID: <565DD5B7-CD19-49F4-BC17-AD19468901A6@biofuels.coop>

2 down, 3 to go. Anybody else want in?


On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, lkvacek at brandeis.edu wrote:

> I am there.
>
> Quoting David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop>:
>
>> That drawing really explained a lot. I'm available for help. Maybe we
>> should have an earth plaster party this sunday, starting at about   
>> 10am
>> if the weather is nice.
>> Anyone else interested in plastering? Be nice to get at least 5 of us
>> to make the work quick.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Caleb Daniels wrote:
>>
>>> Hey gang,
>>> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic    
>>> digester.  I recently found a really great forum on  
>>> biodigesters   and thought this would be a great place for us to  
>>> work as well as   get some outside opinions from those with more  
>>> experience.  Here's   the link, http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/ 
>>> viewtopic.php?p=611#611
>>> Hope to see you there
>>> Caleb
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Workers mailing list
>>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
>
>
> -- 
> "Ce qui embellit le d?sert, dit le petit prince, c'est qu'il cache  
> un puits
> quelque part..."


From simonlobdell at gmail.com  Tue Oct 23 11:45:56 2007
From: simonlobdell at gmail.com (Simon Lobdell)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:45:56 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
In-Reply-To: <565DD5B7-CD19-49F4-BC17-AD19468901A6@biofuels.coop>
References: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>
	<449FACB0-18FF-44BF-8AC8-F225463B2DC3@biofuels.coop>
	<20071023113727.6lrn3qxfk48w8o0w@webmail.brandeis.edu>
	<565DD5B7-CD19-49F4-BC17-AD19468901A6@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <3527113b0710230845t1eafb3a9v35dd1b143c2abda7@mail.gmail.com>

I am in
Simon



On 10/23/07, David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop> wrote:
>
> 2 down, 3 to go. Anybody else want in?
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, lkvacek at brandeis.edu wrote:
>
> > I am there.
> >
> > Quoting David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop>:
> >
> >> That drawing really explained a lot. I'm available for help. Maybe we
> >> should have an earth plaster party this sunday, starting at about
> >> 10am
> >> if the weather is nice.
> >> Anyone else interested in plastering? Be nice to get at least 5 of us
> >> to make the work quick.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Caleb Daniels wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey gang,
> >>> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic
> >>> digester.  I recently found a really great forum on
> >>> biodigesters   and thought this would be a great place for us to
> >>> work as well as   get some outside opinions from those with more
> >>> experience.  Here's   the link, http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/
> >>> viewtopic.php?p=611#611
> >>> Hope to see you there
> >>> Caleb
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Workers mailing list
> >>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Ce qui embellit le d?sert, dit le petit prince, c'est qu'il cache
> > un puits
> > quelque part..."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>



-- 
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Environmental Engineer
(412) 855 2987
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From mattr at biofuels.coop  Tue Oct 23 15:36:29 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:36:29 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] advice on prebuilt reactors
In-Reply-To: <660196.15131.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <660196.15131.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <59DE037D-6722-451D-85C8-C78DDBC5C29F@biofuels.coop>

I have 2 appleseed reactors, already built, here at the coop for sale  
right now.  The cost is $350 each (our cost).

Let me know if you want one.

On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Sunflower Artist wrote:

> Cool. Thanks for the advice. I'll talk to Matt about the leftovers.  
> I'm probably going to rent a big truck so might be able to fit it  
> in with the kayak, two chickens, 1 dog and 4 year old son. Whew!
>
> Christine
>
> PS 10 years ago, Texas was #3 in wine behind CA and NY. I think  
> they are 5th now and NC is 10th or so!
>
> David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop> wrote:
> buy the kit from b100supply.com It comes with a great instruction
> manual and is very easy to follow. There are even some prebuilt
> systems left over from workshops at PB that you might be able to buy.
> Good luck in your move. I've never heard of a winery in TEXAS. Crazy.
>
> On Oct 23, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Sunflower Artist wrote:
>
> > Hi, everyone. Looks like I will be relocating to Texas soon where I
> > will be buying land and starting my winery. I was thinking of
> > buying my own biodiesel setup as soon as I can trade in my van for
> > a TDI beetle. I've been on several sites with prebuilt biodiesel
> > setups and was wondering if one kind is better than others (most
> > are about $3000 plus $400 shipping). I do have a Chem Eng degree
> > but it's been a while since I've built from scratch though I know
> > I'd save some money. Any advice?
> >
> > Christine
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Workers mailing list
> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From mattr at biofuels.coop  Tue Oct 23 15:37:07 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:37:07 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
In-Reply-To: <3527113b0710230845t1eafb3a9v35dd1b143c2abda7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>
	<449FACB0-18FF-44BF-8AC8-F225463B2DC3@biofuels.coop>
	<20071023113727.6lrn3qxfk48w8o0w@webmail.brandeis.edu>
	<565DD5B7-CD19-49F4-BC17-AD19468901A6@biofuels.coop>
	<3527113b0710230845t1eafb3a9v35dd1b143c2abda7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <967C9612-7AA4-4D7C-A0BE-D52F3BC5F835@biofuels.coop>

i'm in!

On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Simon Lobdell wrote:

> I am in
> Simon
>
>
>
> On 10/23/07, David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop> wrote: 2 down, 3  
> to go. Anybody else want in?
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, lkvacek at brandeis.edu wrote:
>
> > I am there.
> >
> > Quoting David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop>:
> >
> >> That drawing really explained a lot. I'm available for help.  
> Maybe we
> >> should have an earth plaster party this sunday, starting at about
> >> 10am
> >> if the weather is nice.
> >> Anyone else interested in plastering? Be nice to get at least 5  
> of us
> >> to make the work quick.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Caleb Daniels wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey gang,
> >>> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic
> >>> digester.  I recently found a really great forum on
> >>> biodigesters   and thought this would be a great place for us to
> >>> work as well as   get some outside opinions from those with more
> >>> experience.  Here's   the link, http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/
> >>> viewtopic.php?p=611#611
> >>> Hope to see you there
> >>> Caleb
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Workers mailing list
> >>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Ce qui embellit le d?sert, dit le petit prince, c'est qu'il cache
> > un puits
> > quelque part..."
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
>
>
> -- 
> Simon Lobdell, EIT
> Environmental Engineer
> (412) 855 2987
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From david at biofuels.coop  Tue Oct 23 15:49:32 2007
From: david at biofuels.coop (David Thornton)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:49:32 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
In-Reply-To: <967C9612-7AA4-4D7C-A0BE-D52F3BC5F835@biofuels.coop>
References: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>
	<449FACB0-18FF-44BF-8AC8-F225463B2DC3@biofuels.coop>
	<20071023113727.6lrn3qxfk48w8o0w@webmail.brandeis.edu>
	<565DD5B7-CD19-49F4-BC17-AD19468901A6@biofuels.coop>
	<3527113b0710230845t1eafb3a9v35dd1b143c2abda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<967C9612-7AA4-4D7C-A0BE-D52F3BC5F835@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <B1A3C616-7E91-4890-BCB9-F5C4172A8ADC@biofuels.coop>

alright- we're on for 10 am Sunday. We should rekindle the pot luck too.

we'll mix by hand and foot. If you've got trowels, bring 'em.

Do we have lime for the outside of the building? we can start  
painting that on too and get it looking beautiful.






On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Matthew Rudolf wrote:

> i'm in!
>
> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Simon Lobdell wrote:
>
>> I am in
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/07, David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop> wrote: 2 down, 3
>> to go. Anybody else want in?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, lkvacek at brandeis.edu wrote:
>>
>>> I am there.
>>>
>>> Quoting David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop>:
>>>
>>>> That drawing really explained a lot. I'm available for help.
>> Maybe we
>>>> should have an earth plaster party this sunday, starting at about
>>>> 10am
>>>> if the weather is nice.
>>>> Anyone else interested in plastering? Be nice to get at least 5
>> of us
>>>> to make the work quick.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Caleb Daniels wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey gang,
>>>>> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic
>>>>> digester.  I recently found a really great forum on
>>>>> biodigesters   and thought this would be a great place for us to
>>>>> work as well as   get some outside opinions from those with more
>>>>> experience.  Here's   the link, http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/
>>>>> viewtopic.php?p=611#611
>>>>> Hope to see you there
>>>>> Caleb
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Workers mailing list
>>>>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
>>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "Ce qui embellit le d?sert, dit le petit prince, c'est qu'il cache
>>> un puits
>>> quelque part..."
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Workers mailing list
>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Simon Lobdell, EIT
>> Environmental Engineer
>> (412) 855 2987
>> _______________________________________________
>> Workers mailing list
>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
> Matthew Rudolf
> Piedmont Biofuels
> www.biofuels.coop
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers


From caleb at biofuels.coop  Tue Oct 23 19:34:49 2007
From: caleb at biofuels.coop (Caleb Daniels)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:34:49 +0900
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
In-Reply-To: <B1A3C616-7E91-4890-BCB9-F5C4172A8ADC@biofuels.coop>
References: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>
	<449FACB0-18FF-44BF-8AC8-F225463B2DC3@biofuels.coop>
	<20071023113727.6lrn3qxfk48w8o0w@webmail.brandeis.edu>
	<565DD5B7-CD19-49F4-BC17-AD19468901A6@biofuels.coop>
	<3527113b0710230845t1eafb3a9v35dd1b143c2abda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<967C9612-7AA4-4D7C-A0BE-D52F3BC5F835@biofuels.coop>
	<B1A3C616-7E91-4890-BCB9-F5C4172A8ADC@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <4924dfdd0710231634o15c22387t77487cbdf74432ed@mail.gmail.com>

i'm in for sunday plastering and potluck

On 10/24/07, David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop> wrote:
>
> alright- we're on for 10 am Sunday. We should rekindle the pot luck too.
>
> we'll mix by hand and foot. If you've got trowels, bring 'em.
>
> Do we have lime for the outside of the building? we can start
> painting that on too and get it looking beautiful.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Matthew Rudolf wrote:
>
> > i'm in!
> >
> > On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Simon Lobdell wrote:
> >
> >> I am in
> >> Simon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/23/07, David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop> wrote: 2 down, 3
> >> to go. Anybody else want in?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, lkvacek at brandeis.edu wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am there.
> >>>
> >>> Quoting David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop>:
> >>>
> >>>> That drawing really explained a lot. I'm available for help.
> >> Maybe we
> >>>> should have an earth plaster party this sunday, starting at about
> >>>> 10am
> >>>> if the weather is nice.
> >>>> Anyone else interested in plastering? Be nice to get at least 5
> >> of us
> >>>> to make the work quick.
> >>>>
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Caleb Daniels wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey gang,
> >>>>> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic
> >>>>> digester.  I recently found a really great forum on
> >>>>> biodigesters   and thought this would be a great place for us to
> >>>>> work as well as   get some outside opinions from those with more
> >>>>> experience.  Here's   the link, http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/
> >>>>> viewtopic.php?p=611#611
> >>>>> Hope to see you there
> >>>>> Caleb
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Workers mailing list
> >>>>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> >>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "Ce qui embellit le d?sert, dit le petit prince, c'est qu'il cache
> >>> un puits
> >>> quelque part..."
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Workers mailing list
> >> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Simon Lobdell, EIT
> >> Environmental Engineer
> >> (412) 855 2987
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Workers mailing list
> >> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >
> > Matthew Rudolf
> > Piedmont Biofuels
> > www.biofuels.coop
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Workers mailing list
> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
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From dcunningham at aeieng.com  Wed Oct 24 08:07:42 2007
From: dcunningham at aeieng.com (David Cunningham)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:07:42 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
In-Reply-To: <4924dfdd0710231634o15c22387t77487cbdf74432ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com><449FACB0-18FF-44BF-8AC8-F225463B2DC3@biofuels.coop><20071023113727.6lrn3qxfk48w8o0w@webmail.brandeis.edu><565DD5B7-CD19-49F4-BC17-AD19468901A6@biofuels.coop><3527113b0710230845t1eafb3a9v35dd1b143c2abda7@mail.gmail.com><967C9612-7AA4-4D7C-A0BE-D52F3BC5F835@biofuels.coop><B1A3C616-7E91-4890-BCB9-F5C4172A8ADC@biofuels.coop>
	<4924dfdd0710231634o15c22387t77487cbdf74432ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c81636$7b1e5690$842810ac@AEI.local>

Caleb,

 I am taking off work on Friday, do you need someone to come down and help
on Friday. I know you had mentioned needing someone to sweat copper pipe.

 

Dave C

 

  _____  

From: workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop
[mailto:workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop] On Behalf Of Caleb Daniels
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:35 PM
To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers
Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum

 

i'm in for sunday plastering and potluck

On 10/24/07, David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop> wrote: 

alright- we're on for 10 am Sunday. We should rekindle the pot luck too.

we'll mix by hand and foot. If you've got trowels, bring 'em. 

Do we have lime for the outside of the building? we can start
painting that on too and get it looking beautiful.






On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Matthew Rudolf wrote:

> i'm in! 
>
> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Simon Lobdell wrote:
>
>> I am in
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/07, David Thornton < <mailto:david at biofuels.coop>
david at biofuels.coop> wrote: 2 down, 3
>> to go. Anybody else want in?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, lkvacek at brandeis.edu wrote: 
>>
>>> I am there.
>>>
>>> Quoting David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop>:
>>>
>>>> That drawing really explained a lot. I'm available for help. 
>> Maybe we
>>>> should have an earth plaster party this sunday, starting at about
>>>> 10am
>>>> if the weather is nice.
>>>> Anyone else interested in plastering? Be nice to get at least 5 
>> of us
>>>> to make the work quick.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Caleb Daniels wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey gang,
>>>>> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic
>>>>> digester.  I recently found a really great forum on
>>>>> biodigesters   and thought this would be a great place for us to 
>>>>> work as well as   get some outside opinions from those with more
>>>>> experience.  Here's   the link, http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/ 
>>>>> viewtopic.php?p=611#611
>>>>> Hope to see you there
>>>>> Caleb
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Workers mailing list 
>>>>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
>>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "Ce qui embellit le d?sert, dit le petit prince, c'est qu'il cache
>>> un puits
>>> quelque part..." 
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Workers mailing list
>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Lobdell, EIT
>> Environmental Engineer
>> (412) 855 2987
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> Workers mailing list
>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers 
>
> Matthew Rudolf
> Piedmont Biofuels
> www.biofuels.coop
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list 
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers

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From caleb at biofuels.coop  Wed Oct 24 18:29:54 2007
From: caleb at biofuels.coop (Caleb Daniels)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:29:54 +0900
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
In-Reply-To: <002101c81636$7b1e5690$842810ac@AEI.local>
References: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com>
	<449FACB0-18FF-44BF-8AC8-F225463B2DC3@biofuels.coop>
	<20071023113727.6lrn3qxfk48w8o0w@webmail.brandeis.edu>
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	<967C9612-7AA4-4D7C-A0BE-D52F3BC5F835@biofuels.coop>
	<B1A3C616-7E91-4890-BCB9-F5C4172A8ADC@biofuels.coop>
	<4924dfdd0710231634o15c22387t77487cbdf74432ed@mail.gmail.com>
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Dave,
That would be great if we could knock that out on Friday.  The only issue is
that its the end of the month and the coop is a little low on digester
funds.  If you or anyone has some extra copper laying around that you would
like to donate to the coop that could be awesome.  Otherwise I'll look into
it and see if it would be possible for us to get some copper.  If we can
finish the radiant floor system and plastering this weekend that would be a
huge push for us to get the project rolling and start being able to collect
some data on it.
Thanks,
Caleb

On 10/24/07, David Cunningham <dcunningham at aeieng.com> wrote:
>
>  Caleb,
>
>  I am taking off work on Friday, do you need someone to come down and help
> on Friday. I know you had mentioned needing someone to sweat copper pipe.
>
>
>
> Dave C
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop [mailto:
> workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop] *On Behalf Of *Caleb Daniels
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:35 PM
> *To:* Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
>
>
>
> i'm in for sunday plastering and potluck
>
> On 10/24/07, *David Thornton* <david at biofuels.coop> wrote:
>
> alright- we're on for 10 am Sunday. We should rekindle the pot luck too.
>
> we'll mix by hand and foot. If you've got trowels, bring 'em.
>
> Do we have lime for the outside of the building? we can start
> painting that on too and get it looking beautiful.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Matthew Rudolf wrote:
>
> > i'm in!
> >
> > On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Simon Lobdell wrote:
> >
> >> I am in
> >> Simon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/23/07, David Thornton < david at biofuels.coop> wrote: 2 down, 3
> >> to go. Anybody else want in?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, lkvacek at brandeis.edu wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am there.
> >>>
> >>> Quoting David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop>:
> >>>
> >>>> That drawing really explained a lot. I'm available for help.
> >> Maybe we
> >>>> should have an earth plaster party this sunday, starting at about
> >>>> 10am
> >>>> if the weather is nice.
> >>>> Anyone else interested in plastering? Be nice to get at least 5
> >> of us
> >>>> to make the work quick.
> >>>>
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Caleb Daniels wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey gang,
> >>>>> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic
> >>>>> digester.  I recently found a really great forum on
> >>>>> biodigesters   and thought this would be a great place for us to
> >>>>> work as well as   get some outside opinions from those with more
> >>>>> experience.  Here's   the link, http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/
> >>>>> viewtopic.php?p=611#611
> >>>>> Hope to see you there
> >>>>> Caleb
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Workers mailing list
> >>>>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> >>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "Ce qui embellit le d?sert, dit le petit prince, c'est qu'il cache
> >>> un puits
> >>> quelque part..."
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Workers mailing list
> >> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Simon Lobdell, EIT
> >> Environmental Engineer
> >> (412) 855 2987
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Workers mailing list
> >> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >
> > Matthew Rudolf
> > Piedmont Biofuels
> > www.biofuels.coop
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Workers mailing list
> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
>
>
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From RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM  Wed Oct 24 18:57:37 2007
From: RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM (RICH DILAURO)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:57:37 -0000
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum
References: <4924dfdd0710221105s1e199beeqf0e16971b661e36d@mail.gmail.com><449FACB0-18FF-44BF-8AC8-F225463B2DC3@biofuels.coop><20071023113727.6lrn3qxfk48w8o0w@webmail.brandeis.edu><565DD5B7-CD19-49F4-BC17-AD19468901A6@biofuels.coop><3527113b0710230845t1eafb3a9v35dd1b143c2abda7@mail.gmail.com><967C9612-7AA4-4D7C-A0BE-D52F3BC5F835@biofuels.coop><B1A3C616-7E91-4890-BCB9-F5C4172A8ADC@biofuels.coop><4924dfdd0710231634o15c22387t77487cbdf74432ed@mail.gmail.com><002101c81636$7b1e5690$842810ac@AEI.local>
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What do you need in the way of copper?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Caleb Daniels 
  To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum


  Dave,
  That would be great if we could knock that out on Friday.  The only issue is that its the end of the month and the coop is a little low on digester funds.  If you or anyone has some extra copper laying around that you would like to donate to the coop that could be awesome.  Otherwise I'll look into it and see if it would be possible for us to get some copper.  If we can finish the radiant floor system and plastering this weekend that would be a huge push for us to get the project rolling and start being able to collect some data on it. 
  Thanks,
  Caleb


  On 10/24/07, David Cunningham <dcunningham at aeieng.com> wrote:
    Caleb,

     I am taking off work on Friday, do you need someone to come down and help on Friday. I know you had mentioned needing someone to sweat copper pipe.



    Dave C




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    From: workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop [mailto:workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop] On Behalf Of Caleb Daniels
    Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:35 PM
    To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers
    Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Digester info on discussion forum



    i'm in for sunday plastering and potluck

    On 10/24/07, David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop> wrote: 

    alright- we're on for 10 am Sunday. We should rekindle the pot luck too.

    we'll mix by hand and foot. If you've got trowels, bring 'em. 

    Do we have lime for the outside of the building? we can start
    painting that on too and get it looking beautiful.






    On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Matthew Rudolf wrote:

    > i'm in! 
    >
    > On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Simon Lobdell wrote:
    >
    >> I am in
    >> Simon
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 10/23/07, David Thornton < david at biofuels.coop> wrote: 2 down, 3
    >> to go. Anybody else want in?
    >>
    >>
    >> On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:37 AM, lkvacek at brandeis.edu wrote: 
    >>
    >>> I am there.
    >>>
    >>> Quoting David Thornton <david at biofuels.coop>:
    >>>
    >>>> That drawing really explained a lot. I'm available for help. 
    >> Maybe we
    >>>> should have an earth plaster party this sunday, starting at about
    >>>> 10am
    >>>> if the weather is nice.
    >>>> Anyone else interested in plastering? Be nice to get at least 5 
    >> of us
    >>>> to make the work quick.
    >>>>
    >>>> David
    >>>>
    >>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Caleb Daniels wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Hey gang,
    >>>>> So we are nearing the final stages of design on the anaerobic
    >>>>> digester.  I recently found a really great forum on
    >>>>> biodigesters   and thought this would be a great place for us to 
    >>>>> work as well as   get some outside opinions from those with more
    >>>>> experience.  Here's   the link, http://biorealis.com/phpBB2/ 
    >>>>> viewtopic.php?p=611#611
    >>>>> Hope to see you there
    >>>>> Caleb
    >>>>> _______________________________________________
    >>>>> Workers mailing list 
    >>>>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
    >>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers 
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> "Ce qui embellit le d?sert, dit le petit prince, c'est qu'il cache
    >>> un puits
    >>> quelque part..." 
    >>
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> Workers mailing list
    >> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
    >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Simon Lobdell, EIT
    >> Environmental Engineer
    >> (412) 855 2987
    >> _______________________________________________ 
    >> Workers mailing list
    >> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
    >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers 
    >
    > Matthew Rudolf
    > Piedmont Biofuels
    > www.biofuels.coop
    >
    >
    > _______________________________________________
    > Workers mailing list 
    > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
    > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers

    _______________________________________________ 
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    Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
    http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers




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From ISC8300 at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 25 21:33:55 2007
From: ISC8300 at nc.rr.com (Ben G)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:33:55 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Friday fuel-making
Message-ID: <000f01c81770$46480480$6601a8c0@D2JYRM81>

Hey guys, I am planning to come out later Friday afternoon to go ahead with our second batch this weekend.  Caleb and Dave Cunningham will be working on the biodigester, so i could use a hand (no pun intended) to make the second batch.  Also, we'll do some washes and whatever else needs doing.

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From rkunst at humancomp.org  Fri Oct 26 10:39:14 2007
From: rkunst at humancomp.org (Richard Kunst)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:39:14 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Friday fuel-making
In-Reply-To: <000f01c81770$46480480$6601a8c0@D2JYRM81>
References: <000f01c81770$46480480$6601a8c0@D2JYRM81>
Message-ID: <045e01c817dd$fb51c330$f1f54990$@org>

I might be able to make it out there this afternoon to help out. What time
are you thinking of being there?

Rick Kunst

From: workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop
[mailto:workers-bounces at lists.biofuels.coop] On Behalf Of Ben G
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:34 PM
To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op worker members
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Friday fuel-making

Hey guys, I am planning to come out later Friday afternoon to go ahead with
our second batch this weekend.? Caleb and Dave Cunningham will be working on
the biodigester, so i could use a hand (no pun intended) to make the second
batch.? Also, we'll do some washes and whatever else needs doing.
?
Ben Gillespie



From stephancaldwell at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 10:40:30 2007
From: stephancaldwell at gmail.com (Stephan Caldwell)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:40:30 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Friday fuel-making
In-Reply-To: <000f01c81770$46480480$6601a8c0@D2JYRM81>
References: <000f01c81770$46480480$6601a8c0@D2JYRM81>
Message-ID: <ac9b391e0710260740y2befa4a1jc1788d342af6e886@mail.gmail.com>

Hey y'all I am going to be able to come down Sat morn so please let me know
what I can do. Thanks

On 10/25/07, Ben G <ISC8300 at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>  Hey guys, I am planning to come out later Friday afternoon to go ahead
> with our second batch this weekend.  Caleb and Dave Cunningham will be
> working on the biodigester, so i could use a hand (no pun intended) to make
> the second batch.  Also, we'll do some washes and whatever else needs doing.
>
> Ben Gillespie
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
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From ISC8300 at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 26 17:48:31 2007
From: ISC8300 at nc.rr.com (Ben G)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:48:31 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Friday Night
Message-ID: <002701c81819$f39841f0$6601a8c0@D2JYRM81>

Hey guys, I know its late, my truck broke down and i was stranded, i'm back at home now, but won't be able to make it out though.  If you guys do decide to do something tonight, i hope it goes well and let me know what ya'll do.  I may or may not make it out tommorrow (saturday).

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From mattr at biofuels.coop  Sat Oct 27 07:49:38 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:49:38 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
Message-ID: <78F81277-C98C-41D7-A479-2826D650275F@biofuels.coop>

Fuel makers,
After making two batches this week we have a surplus of homebrew  
available at the coop.  Feel free to come by this weekend and fill up!

Matt

From stephancaldwell at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 11:40:04 2007
From: stephancaldwell at gmail.com (Stephan Caldwell)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:40:04 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
In-Reply-To: <78F81277-C98C-41D7-A479-2826D650275F@biofuels.coop>
References: <78F81277-C98C-41D7-A479-2826D650275F@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <ac9b391e0710270840p3e196bb2tdbb174b77c914524@mail.gmail.com>

Dang, I was just down there and the tank looked empty!

On 10/27/07, Matthew Rudolf <mattr at biofuels.coop> wrote:
>
> Fuel makers,
> After making two batches this week we have a surplus of homebrew
> available at the coop.  Feel free to come by this weekend and fill up!
>
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
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From simonlobdell at gmail.com  Sat Oct 27 18:48:31 2007
From: simonlobdell at gmail.com (Simon Lobdell)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:48:31 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
In-Reply-To: <ac9b391e0710270840p3e196bb2tdbb174b77c914524@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78F81277-C98C-41D7-A479-2826D650275F@biofuels.coop>
	<ac9b391e0710270840p3e196bb2tdbb174b77c914524@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3527113b0710271548r4b886474r71bbdb4132f9c0e@mail.gmail.com>

sorry all.  There was a miscommunication and the finished fuel had not been
moved over to the dry tank. It will be dry by late saturday.  So feel free
to come by Sunday and fuel up.

Simon


On 10/27/07, Stephan Caldwell <stephancaldwell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dang, I was just down there and the tank looked empty!
>
> On 10/27/07, Matthew Rudolf <mattr at biofuels.coop> wrote:
> >
> > Fuel makers,
> > After making two batches this week we have a surplus of homebrew
> > available at the coop.  Feel free to come by this weekend and fill up!
> >
> > Matt
> > _______________________________________________
> > Workers mailing list
> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
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>


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From mattr at biofuels.coop  Sat Oct 27 22:31:22 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:31:22 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
In-Reply-To: <3527113b0710271548r4b886474r71bbdb4132f9c0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78F81277-C98C-41D7-A479-2826D650275F@biofuels.coop>
	<ac9b391e0710270840p3e196bb2tdbb174b77c914524@mail.gmail.com>
	<3527113b0710271548r4b886474r71bbdb4132f9c0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2929387-DF41-43F2-8D03-86C0801DC11C@biofuels.coop>

i'm sorry.  the fuel had finished washing yesterday and i thought it  
was going to get moved to the dry tank last night to be ready for today.

today we went ahead and moved the fuel to the dry and left in on an  
all night dry, so it should be good on sunday.  there is another  
reacted batch right behind it that will get moved to wash tomorrow  
(and should be washed and dried by tuesday).  we will also reload the  
reactor for tuesday fuel making.


On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Simon Lobdell wrote:

> sorry all.  There was a miscommunication and the finished fuel had  
> not been moved over to the dry tank. It will be dry by late  
> saturday.  So feel free to come by Sunday and fuel up.
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 10/27/07, Stephan Caldwell <stephancaldwell at gmail.com> wrote:  
> Dang, I was just down there and the tank looked empty!
>
>
> On 10/27/07, Matthew Rudolf < mattr at biofuels.coop> wrote: Fuel makers,
> After making two batches this week we have a surplus of homebrew
> available at the coop.  Feel free to come by this weekend and fill up!
>
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Simon Lobdell, EIT
> Environmental Engineer
> (412) 855 2987
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From icinspire at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 28 08:45:42 2007
From: icinspire at hotmail.com (G P)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 06:45:42 -0700
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
In-Reply-To: <D2929387-DF41-43F2-8D03-86C0801DC11C@biofuels.coop>
References: <78F81277-C98C-41D7-A479-2826D650275F@biofuels.coop>
	<ac9b391e0710270840p3e196bb2tdbb174b77c914524@mail.gmail.com>
	<3527113b0710271548r4b886474r71bbdb4132f9c0e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<D2929387-DF41-43F2-8D03-86C0801DC11C@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <BAY104-W1121525F0799E30D0F2DE9BF900@phx.gbl>


Shelly mentioned that the 1988 Ford F-250 Diesel I had was Biofuel compliant, just wanting to confirm that before I come down to pittsboro and fill her up. There is no conversion needed?? I guess I am a bit suprised. Confirmation anyone?

 
Thanks,
 
Glo in greensboro> From: mattr at biofuels.coop> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:31:22 -0400> To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop> Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available> > i'm sorry. the fuel had finished washing yesterday and i thought it > was going to get moved to the dry tank last night to be ready for today.> > today we went ahead and moved the fuel to the dry and left in on an > all night dry, so it should be good on sunday. there is another > reacted batch right behind it that will get moved to wash tomorrow > (and should be washed and dried by tuesday). we will also reload the > reactor for tuesday fuel making.> > > On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Simon Lobdell wrote:> > > sorry all. There was a miscommunication and the finished fuel had > > not been moved over to the dry tank. It will be dry by late > > saturday. So feel free to come by Sunday and fuel up.> >> > Simon> >> >> > On 10/27/07, Stephan Caldwell <stephancaldwell at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dang, I was just down there and the tank looked empty!> >> >> > On 10/27/07, Matthew Rudolf < mattr at biofuels.coop> wrote: Fuel makers,> > After making two batches this week we have a surplus of homebrew> > available at the coop. Feel free to come by this weekend and fill up!> >> > Matt> > _______________________________________________> > Workers mailing list> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Workers mailing list> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers> >> >> >> >> > -- > > Simon Lobdell, EIT> > Environmental Engineer> > (412) 855 2987> > _______________________________________________> > Workers mailing list> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers> > Matthew Rudolf> Piedmont Biofuels> www.biofuels.coop> > > _______________________________________________> Workers mailing list> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
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From: RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM (RICH DILAURO)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:11:18 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
References: <78F81277-C98C-41D7-A479-2826D650275F@biofuels.coop><ac9b391e0710270840p3e196bb2tdbb174b77c914524@mail.gmail.com><3527113b0710271548r4b886474r71bbdb4132f9c0e@mail.gmail.com>
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I drive a 2006 F-250 Turbo diesel. My understanding the ford turbo diesel engine's only concern is with the injectors clogging. This would only happen if your fuel gels (run on B70 to B80 in cold weather) or contains particulates larger than 10 microns. Other than that, Biodiesel is completely safe to use. I think Ford recommends using no more than B-5. This (in my hummble opinion) is the stigmata which the car manufacturers and the oil companies are placing on bio-diesel. The oil companies don't want a fuel that anyone can make in their back yard or garage, tapping into their control of the market. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: G P 
  To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers 
  Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available


  Shelly mentioned that the 1988 Ford F-250 Diesel I had was Biofuel compliant, just wanting to confirm that before I come down to pittsboro and fill her up. There is no conversion needed?? I guess I am a bit suprised. Confirmation anyone? 

  Thanks,
   
  Glo in greensboro



  > From: mattr at biofuels.coop
  > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:31:22 -0400
  > To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop
  > Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
  > 
  > i'm sorry. the fuel had finished washing yesterday and i thought it 
  > was going to get moved to the dry tank last night to be ready for today.
  > 
  > today we went ahead and moved the fuel to the dry and left in on an 
  > all night dry, so it should be good on sunday. there is another 
  > reacted batch right behind it that will get moved to wash tomorrow 
  > (and should be washed and dried by tuesday). we will also reload the 
  > reactor for tuesday fuel making.
  > 
  > 
  > On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Simon Lobdell wrote:
  > 
  > > sorry all. There was a miscommunication and the finished fuel had 
  > > not been moved over to the dry tank. It will be dry by late 
  > > saturday. So feel free to come by Sunday and fuel up.
  > >
  > > Simon
  > >
  > >
  > > On 10/27/07, Stephan Caldwell <stephancaldwell at gmail.com> wrote: 
  > > Dang, I was just down there and the tank looked empty!
  > >
  > >
  > > On 10/27/07, Matthew Rudolf < mattr at biofuels.coop> wrote: Fuel makers,
  > > After making two batches this week we have a surplus of homebrew
  > > available at the coop. Feel free to come by this weekend and fill up!
  > >
  > > Matt
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > Workers mailing list
  > > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
  > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
  > >
  > >
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > Workers mailing list
  > > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
  > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > -- 
  > > Simon Lobdell, EIT
  > > Environmental Engineer
  > > (412) 855 2987
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > Workers mailing list
  > > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
  > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
  > 
  > Matthew Rudolf
  > Piedmont Biofuels
  > www.biofuels.coop
  > 
  > 
  > _______________________________________________
  > Workers mailing list
  > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
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From guapo42 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 28 11:49:21 2007
From: guapo42 at gmail.com (Ian)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:49:21 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
In-Reply-To: <005001c8196c$6a69cc60$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>
References: <78F81277-C98C-41D7-A479-2826D650275F@biofuels.coop>
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Well, with the 88 there may be some other, minor concerns. When you've got a
lot of miles and time with diesel on your vehicle gunk can start building
up. Biodiesel can start cleaning your tank and your fuel lines, which can
end up in a lot of gunk in your fuel filter. So I'd buy an extra fuel filter
and carry it in your truck, if you start losing power then you'll be able to
replace it easily.

The other concern that is worth looking in to is the fuel lines. They used
to use natural rubber fuel lines and gaskets in vehicles. Biodiesel can wear
these down. I don't know which cars ran with these, but I've heard post
'92-'95 everyone went to using synthetic hoses. So it would be worth doing a
little research and seeing if you can find out what type of hoses it uses.
If you find out it is natural rubber then I'd also check to see if the
gaskets are natural as well. Then I'd probably replace the hoses and
appropriate gaskets (the ones directly in contact with the fuel).

You can also check biodiesel.infopop.cc and search for your vehicle, and for
rubber hoses to get more information from people who know what they're
talking about more than I do.




On 10/28/07, RICH DILAURO <RDILAURO at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>  I drive a 2006 F-250 Turbo diesel. My understanding the ford turbo diesel
> engine's only concern is with the injectors clogging. This would only happen
> if your fuel gels (run on B70 to B80 in cold weather) or contains
> particulates larger than 10 microns. Other than that, Biodiesel is
> completely safe to use. I think Ford recommends using no more than B-5. This
> (in my hummble opinion) is the stigmata which the car manufacturers and
> the oil companies are placing on bio-diesel. The oil companies don't want a
> fuel that anyone can make in their back yard or garage, tapping into their
> control of the market.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* G P <icinspire at hotmail.com>
> *To:* Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers<workers at lists.biofuels.coop>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:45 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
>
> Shelly mentioned that the 1988 Ford F-250 Diesel I had was Biofuel
> compliant, just wanting to confirm that before I come down to pittsboro and
> fill her up. There is no conversion needed?? I guess I am a bit suprised.
> Confirmation anyone?
> Thanks,
>
> Glo in greensboro
>
>
>
> > From: mattr at biofuels.coop
> > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:31:22 -0400
> > To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
> >
> > i'm sorry. the fuel had finished washing yesterday and i thought it
> > was going to get moved to the dry tank last night to be ready for today.
> >
> > today we went ahead and moved the fuel to the dry and left in on an
> > all night dry, so it should be good on sunday. there is another
> > reacted batch right behind it that will get moved to wash tomorrow
> > (and should be washed and dried by tuesday). we will also reload the
> > reactor for tuesday fuel making.
> >
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Simon Lobdell wrote:
> >
> > > sorry all. There was a miscommunication and the finished fuel had
> > > not been moved over to the dry tank. It will be dry by late
> > > saturday. So feel free to come by Sunday and fuel up.
> > >
> > > Simon
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/27/07, Stephan Caldwell <stephancaldwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dang, I was just down there and the tank looked empty!
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/27/07, Matthew Rudolf < mattr at biofuels.coop> wrote: Fuel makers,
> > > After making two batches this week we have a surplus of homebrew
> > > available at the coop. Feel free to come by this weekend and fill up!
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Workers mailing list
> > > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Workers mailing list
> > > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Simon Lobdell, EIT
> > > Environmental Engineer
> > > (412) 855 2987
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Workers mailing list
> > > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >
> > Matthew Rudolf
> > Piedmont Biofuels
> > www.biofuels.coop
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Workers mailing list
> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
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From icinspire at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 28 13:54:30 2007
From: icinspire at hotmail.com (G P)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:54:30 -0700
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
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I am not sure if the hoses are rubber or synthetic I will have to check in on that. Luckily she only has 60,000 miles on her. I have never heard anything about the gaskets but i'll check into that as well. 
 
Thanks Ian & Rich appreciate your help.
 
Glo in greensboro :)


Regards, 
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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:49:21 -0400From: guapo42 at gmail.comTo: workers at lists.biofuels.coopSubject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel availableWell, with the 88 there may be some other, minor concerns. When you've got a lot of miles and time with diesel on your vehicle gunk can start building up. Biodiesel can start cleaning your tank and your fuel lines, which can end up in a lot of gunk in your fuel filter. So I'd buy an extra fuel filter and carry it in your truck, if you start losing power then you'll be able to replace it easily. The other concern that is worth looking in to is the fuel lines. They used to use natural rubber fuel lines and gaskets in vehicles. Biodiesel can wear these down. I don't know which cars ran with these, but I've heard post '92-'95 everyone went to using synthetic hoses. So it would be worth doing a little research and seeing if you can find out what type of hoses it uses. If you find out it is natural rubber then I'd also check to see if the gaskets are natural as well. Then I'd probably replace the hoses and appropriate gaskets (the ones directly in contact with the fuel). You can also check biodiesel.infopop.cc and search for your vehicle, and for rubber hoses to get more information from people who know what they're talking about more than I do. 
On 10/28/07, RICH DILAURO <RDILAURO at nc.rr.com> wrote: 


I drive a 2006 F-250 Turbo diesel. My understanding the ford turbo diesel engine's only concern is with the injectors clogging. This would only happen if your fuel gels (run on B70 to B80 in cold weather) or contains particulates larger than 10 microns. Other than that, Biodiesel is completely safe to use. I think Ford recommends using no more than B-5. This (in my hummble opinion) is the stigmata which the car manufacturers and the oil companies are placing on bio-diesel. The oil companies don't want a fuel that anyone can make in their back yard or garage, tapping into their control of the market. 

 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: G P 
To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers 
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
Shelly mentioned that the 1988 Ford F-250 Diesel I had was Biofuel compliant, just wanting to confirm that before I come down to pittsboro and fill her up. There is no conversion needed?? I guess I am a bit suprised. Confirmation anyone? 
Thanks, Glo in greensboro
> From: mattr at biofuels.coop> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:31:22 -0400> To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop> Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available> > i'm sorry. the fuel had finished washing yesterday and i thought it > was going to get moved to the dry tank last night to be ready for today.> > today we went ahead and moved the fuel to the dry and left in on an > all night dry, so it should be good on sunday. there is another > reacted batch right behind it that will get moved to wash tomorrow > (and should be washed and dried by tuesday). we will also reload the > reactor for tuesday fuel making.> > > On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Simon Lobdell wrote:> > > sorry all. There was a miscommunication and the finished fuel had > > not been moved over to the dry tank. It will be dry by late > > saturday. So feel free to come by Sunday and fuel up.> >> > Simon> >> >> > On 10/27/07, Stephan Caldwell <stephancaldwell at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dang, I was just down there and the tank looked empty!> >> >> > On 10/27/07, Matthew Rudolf < mattr at biofuels.coop> wrote: Fuel makers,> > After making two batches this week we have a surplus of homebrew> > available at the coop. Feel free to come by this weekend and fill up!> >> > Matt> > _______________________________________________> > Workers mailing list> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Workers mailing list> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers> >> >> >> >> > -- > > Simon Lobdell, EIT> > Environmental Engineer> > (412) 855 2987> > _______________________________________________> > Workers mailing list> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers> > Matthew Rudolf> Piedmont Biofuels> www.biofuels.coop> > > _______________________________________________> Workers mailing list> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers

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From guapo42 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 28 14:23:08 2007
From: guapo42 at gmail.com (Ian)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:23:08 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
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60,000 miles, that's quite a find! congrats. I haven't heard of anyone
having problems with natural rubber gaskets, but I did see a natural rubber
gasket on a workbench that had had biodiesel spilled on it.... Let's just
say, I wouldn't want that happening in my engine. Whether or not there's any
points of contact in the engine or if rubber gaskets are common, I couldn't
say, but it's worth looking into.


On 10/28/07, G P <icinspire at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I am not sure if the hoses are rubber or synthetic I will have to check
> in on that. Luckily she only has 60,000 miles on her. I have never heard
> anything about the gaskets but i'll check into that as well.
>
> Thanks Ian & Rich appreciate your help.
>
> Glo in greensboro :)
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Glo Pereira
> Mbl. #: (805) 758-3824
> Fax #: (336) 790-8480
> Email: Icinspire at hotmail.com
>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:49:21 -0400
> From: guapo42 at gmail.com
> To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
>
> Well, with the 88 there may be some other, minor concerns. When you've got
> a lot of miles and time with diesel on your vehicle gunk can start building
> up. Biodiesel can start cleaning your tank and your fuel lines, which can
> end up in a lot of gunk in your fuel filter. So I'd buy an extra fuel filter
> and carry it in your truck, if you start losing power then you'll be able to
> replace it easily.
>
> The other concern that is worth looking in to is the fuel lines. They used
> to use natural rubber fuel lines and gaskets in vehicles. Biodiesel can wear
> these down. I don't know which cars ran with these, but I've heard post
> '92-'95 everyone went to using synthetic hoses. So it would be worth doing a
> little research and seeing if you can find out what type of hoses it uses.
> If you find out it is natural rubber then I'd also check to see if the
> gaskets are natural as well. Then I'd probably replace the hoses and
> appropriate gaskets (the ones directly in contact with the fuel).
>
> You can also check biodiesel.infopop.cc and search for your vehicle, and
> for rubber hoses to get more information from people who know what they're
> talking about more than I do.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/28/07, *RICH DILAURO* <RDILAURO at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>  I drive a 2006 F-250 Turbo diesel. My understanding the ford turbo diesel
> engine's only concern is with the injectors clogging. This would only happen
> if your fuel gels (run on B70 to B80 in cold weather) or contains
> particulates larger than 10 microns. Other than that, Biodiesel is
> completely safe to use. I think Ford recommends using no more than B-5. This
> (in my hummble opinion) is the stigmata which the car manufacturers and
> the oil companies are placing on bio-diesel. The oil companies don't want a
> fuel that anyone can make in their back yard or garage, tapping into their
> control of the market.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* G P <icinspire at hotmail.com>
> *To:* Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers<workers at lists.biofuels.coop>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:45 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
>
> Shelly mentioned that the 1988 Ford F-250 Diesel I had was Biofuel
> compliant, just wanting to confirm that before I come down to pittsboro and
> fill her up. There is no conversion needed?? I guess I am a bit suprised.
> Confirmation anyone?
> Thanks,
>
> Glo in greensboro
>
>
>
> > From: mattr at biofuels.coop
> > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:31:22 -0400
> > To: workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] fuel available
> >
> > i'm sorry. the fuel had finished washing yesterday and i thought it
> > was going to get moved to the dry tank last night to be ready for today.
> >
> > today we went ahead and moved the fuel to the dry and left in on an
> > all night dry, so it should be good on sunday. there is another
> > reacted batch right behind it that will get moved to wash tomorrow
> > (and should be washed and dried by tuesday). we will also reload the
> > reactor for tuesday fuel making.
> >
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Simon Lobdell wrote:
> >
> > > sorry all. There was a miscommunication and the finished fuel had
> > > not been moved over to the dry tank. It will be dry by late
> > > saturday. So feel free to come by Sunday and fuel up.
> > >
> > > Simon
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/27/07, Stephan Caldwell <stephancaldwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dang, I was just down there and the tank looked empty!
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/27/07, Matthew Rudolf < mattr at biofuels.coop> wrote: Fuel makers,
> > > After making two batches this week we have a surplus of homebrew
> > > available at the coop. Feel free to come by this weekend and fill up!
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Workers mailing list
> > > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Workers mailing list
> > > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Simon Lobdell, EIT
> > > Environmental Engineer
> > > (412) 855 2987
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Workers mailing list
> > > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >
> > Matthew Rudolf
> > Piedmont Biofuels
> > www.biofuels.coop
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Workers mailing list
> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
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From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 08:36:17 2007
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:36:17 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] 240D for sale
Message-ID: <84a57a420710290636w5740a0e3y61d6cb7039a5cc49@mail.gmail.com>

1982 240D for sale, please contact owner directly.

-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~


John,
Here is some information on the Mercedes that I mentioned at Chatham
Marketplace.  I appreciate your help.
Greg Carter and Sherry Yarkosky


For Sale:
1982 Mercedes 240-D diesel
?	Currently runs, but will soon need a new engine: burning oil at the
rate of 1 quart every 100 miles or so.
?	Only 160,000 miles.
?	I am 3rd generation owner: my grandparents bought it, my mom then
drove it for several years, and I bought it to make a grease-car but
never did.
?	The body and interior are in excellent condition.
?	Price negotiable and open to bartering.

OR:
Wanted:
Engine for 1982 Mercedes 240-D diesel.

If you're interested in either of these, email aliasgregcarter at mac.com

From ashbshaw at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 31 09:30:55 2007
From: ashbshaw at nc.rr.com (Joe & Ashlyn)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:30:55 -0700
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
Message-ID: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>

My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since 
chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that 
the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants? 
What are other co-ops using for grease? 

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From RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM  Wed Oct 31 06:43:07 2007
From: RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM (RICH DILAURO)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:43:07 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
References: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
Message-ID: <003901c81bb3$35cd92e0$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>

Sorry, but I think your logic is flawed. Even if it was all recaptured deep fryer oil, what do you think was fried in that oil. There will still be animal fats in that oil. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe & Ashlyn 
  To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op worker members 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:30 AM
  Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew


  My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since 
  chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that 
  the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants? 
  What are other co-ops using for grease? 

  Thanks, Joe   


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From ashbshaw at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 31 09:54:12 2007
From: ashbshaw at nc.rr.com (Joe & Ashlyn)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:54:12 -0700
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
References: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
	<003901c81bb3$35cd92e0$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>
Message-ID: <001801c81bcd$e6968950$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>

Yes I do understand that recaptured grease does have animal fats, but I think I can live with a byproduct rather than take it from the source.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: RICH DILAURO 
  To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew


  Sorry, but I think your logic is flawed. Even if it was all recaptured deep fryer oil, what do you think was fried in that oil. There will still be animal fats in that oil. 

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Joe & Ashlyn 
    To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op worker members 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:30 AM
    Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew


    My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since 
    chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that 
    the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants? 
    What are other co-ops using for grease? 

    Thanks, Joe   


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From RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM  Wed Oct 31 07:06:40 2007
From: RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM (RICH DILAURO)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:06:40 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
References: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh><003901c81bb3$35cd92e0$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>
	<001801c81bcd$e6968950$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
Message-ID: <005401c81bb6$7f470de0$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>

I'm not trying to knock you or your beliefs, but chicken fat is a byproduct.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe & Ashlyn 
  To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew


  Yes I do understand that recaptured grease does have animal fats, but I think I can live with a byproduct rather than take it from the source.  
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: RICH DILAURO 
    To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:43 AM
    Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew


    Sorry, but I think your logic is flawed. Even if it was all recaptured deep fryer oil, what do you think was fried in that oil. There will still be animal fats in that oil. 

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Joe & Ashlyn 
      To: Piedmont Biofuels Co-op worker members 
      Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:30 AM
      Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew


      My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since 
      chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that 
      the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants? 
      What are other co-ops using for grease? 

      Thanks, Joe   


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From caleb at biofuels.coop  Wed Oct 31 07:50:58 2007
From: caleb at biofuels.coop (Caleb Daniels)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:50:58 +0900
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
In-Reply-To: <005401c81bb6$7f470de0$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>
References: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
	<003901c81bb3$35cd92e0$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>
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	<005401c81bb6$7f470de0$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>
Message-ID: <4924dfdd0710310550i420916cbg9882e793aaabbe64@mail.gmail.com>

We use waste vegetable oil at the coop.  The only folks that use the fuel
that we make are the fuel making worker members.  These are usually folks
that come out on Tuesday nights to help start the batch.  If Tuesday's
aren't good there are other things that can be done throughout the week.
This fuel is sold at cost for $2 a gallon.
Cheers
Caleb

Intern
Piedmont Biofuels

On 10/31/07, RICH DILAURO <RDILAURO at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>  I'm not trying to knock you or your beliefs, but chicken fat is a
> byproduct.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Joe & Ashlyn <ashbshaw at nc.rr.com>
> *To:* Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers<workers at lists.biofuels.coop>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:54 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
>
> Yes I do understand that recaptured grease does have animal fats, but I
> think I can live with a byproduct rather than take it from the source.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* RICH DILAURO <RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM>
> *To:* Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers<workers at lists.biofuels.coop>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:43 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
>
> Sorry, but I think your logic is flawed. Even if it was all recaptured
> deep fryer oil, what do you think was fried in that oil. There will still be
> animal fats in that oil.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Joe & Ashlyn <ashbshaw at nc.rr.com>
> *To:* Piedmont Biofuels Co-op worker members <workers at lists.biofuels.coop>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:30 AM
> *Subject:* [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
>
> My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since
> chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that
> the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants?
> What are other co-ops using for grease?
>
> Thanks, Joe
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
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>
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From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 07:59:34 2007
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:59:34 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
In-Reply-To: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
References: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
Message-ID: <84a57a420710310559m23994ceeha2975900b5cb43c@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

Given that you are writing to the "workers" list, you may be aware of
the distinction between Piedmont Biofuels Industrial and Piedmont
Biofuels Cooperative.

As Caleb just pointed out, the Coop is a fuelmaking cooperative.
Workers can pitch-in to make their own fuel from waste vegetable oil.
In fact, some of that oil (coming from Burt's Bees) is pure vegetable
oil and has never touched animal products. (Although that feedstock is
blended with all the other waste veg-oil in the Grease Warming Zone.)

Anyway, if you wish to avoid the chicken-fat derived fuel that
Piedmont Biofuels Industrial produces, you might consider becoming a
fuel-maker in Moncure.

One final note: Technically, coop fuelmakers are not buying their
fuel.  They are making it themselves and paying $2 per gallon for the
privilege of using cooperative facilities and to cover the costs of
chemicals and taxes.

Hope this is helpful information.

Sincerely,

John Bonitz

On 10/31/07, Joe & Ashlyn <ashbshaw at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since
> chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that
> the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants?
> What are other co-ops using for grease?
>
> Thanks, Joe
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
>


-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From jasonwilliamjones at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 09:11:03 2007
From: jasonwilliamjones at gmail.com (Jason Jones)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:11:03 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
In-Reply-To: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
References: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
Message-ID: <a64fb6800710310711v807dbcfgf94d245d8baa11a9@mail.gmail.com>

This has turned into a very interesting email thread.

I don't mind using chicken fat, but I had a question to add:

Were they US chickens or foreign chickens?

Jason

On 10/31/07, Joe & Ashlyn <ashbshaw at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since
> chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that
> the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants?
> What are other co-ops using for grease?
>
> Thanks, Joe
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
>


-- 
Jason W. Jones
Tel: 919-272-2790

From RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM  Wed Oct 31 10:30:23 2007
From: RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM (RICH DILAURO)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:30:23 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
References: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
	<a64fb6800710310711v807dbcfgf94d245d8baa11a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007301c81bd2$f70fa960$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>

Jason,
   I think they were foreign chickens with ties to Al- Qaeda. They were 
humanely treated and  quickly euthanized. Subsequently they had all filled 
out organ donor cards. They're in a peaceful place (w/ their 40 virgins) 
knowing their meager existence had purpose.
   Actually, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass but I guess it could have 
been interpreted that way. I was just pointing out the fact that fryer oil 
would be tainted w/ animal fats.

Rich



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Jones" <jasonwilliamjones at gmail.com>
To: "Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers" <workers at lists.biofuels.coop>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew


> This has turned into a very interesting email thread.
>
> I don't mind using chicken fat, but I had a question to add:
>
> Were they US chickens or foreign chickens?
>
> Jason
>
> On 10/31/07, Joe & Ashlyn <ashbshaw at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since
>> chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that
>> the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants?
>> What are other co-ops using for grease?
>>
>> Thanks, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
>> Workers mailing list
>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Jason W. Jones
> Tel: 919-272-2790
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers 


From dcunningham at aeieng.com  Wed Oct 31 09:44:51 2007
From: dcunningham at aeieng.com (David Cunningham)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:44:51 -0500
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
In-Reply-To: <007301c81bd2$f70fa960$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>
References: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
	<a64fb6800710310711v807dbcfgf94d245d8baa11a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<007301c81bd2$f70fa960$379fbd4b@peterwqy0pnpgl>
Message-ID: <47286993.9307.00D7.0@aeieng.com>

Rich,
 I am killing myself laughing! Good job!

Dave C

>>> "RICH DILAURO" <RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM> 10/31/2007 11:30 AM >>>
Jason,
   I think they were foreign chickens with ties to Al- Qaeda. They were 
humanely treated and  quickly euthanized. Subsequently they had all filled 
out organ donor cards. They're in a peaceful place (w/ their 40 virgins) 
knowing their meager existence had purpose.
   Actually, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass but I guess it could have 
been interpreted that way. I was just pointing out the fact that fryer oil 
would be tainted w/ animal fats.

Rich



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Jones" <jasonwilliamjones at gmail.com>
To: "Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers" <workers at lists.biofuels.coop>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew


> This has turned into a very interesting email thread.
>
> I don't mind using chicken fat, but I had a question to add:
>
> Were they US chickens or foreign chickens?
>
> Jason
>
> On 10/31/07, Joe & Ashlyn <ashbshaw at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since
>> chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that
>> the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants?
>> What are other co-ops using for grease?
>>
>> Thanks, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
>> Workers mailing list
>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop 
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers 
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Jason W. Jones
> Tel: 919-272-2790
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop 
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers 

_______________________________________________
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From gbathree at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 10:57:22 2007
From: gbathree at gmail.com (Greg Austic)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:57:22 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] chicken fat vs. wvo
Message-ID: <a0646e690710310857m7f7f9db3j5bcc28acd32521a4@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone,

We at Piedmont are aware of this issue, not just from a standpoint of
vegans, but generally we feel it is better if you can use local WVO.  We are
currently building a WVO collection business which will supply the biodiesel
plant with WVO from local fryers.  This will have many benefits - we will
control our feedstock quantity and price, we'll have better cold flow
properties, and we'll get off chicken.  We hope that by the end of the year
we can collect 20k gallons per month, which is a large portion of our
overall monthly fat/oil consumption at the plant.

Starting, building, and operating requires making choices between what's you
want and what you can actually make happen, and we've made chicken fat
happen, but we want WVO - and we're working on it.  So thanks for being
patient -

- and if you want to help, go to restaurants and ask them if piedmont
biofuels picks up their WVO, and if they don't, give them our number!!!!

Greg Austic

-- 
Greg Austic
Piedmont Biofuels
Feedstocks, Oil Collection, R & D
www.biofuels.coop
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From wgargan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 11:16:26 2007
From: wgargan at gmail.com (William Gargan)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:16:26 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
In-Reply-To: <47286993.9307.00D7.0@aeieng.com>
References: <004a01c81bca$a59358a0$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>
	<a64fb6800710310711v807dbcfgf94d245d8baa11a9@mail.gmail.com>
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	<47286993.9307.00D7.0@aeieng.com>
Message-ID: <761046640710310916w233d4afckc0f5cf0e9ec4fd47@mail.gmail.com>

"I am killing myself laughing"

Awesome! More fuel!

I am a Vegan too, Someone once told me  "You'll never be the vegan you
think you are"

Animals will always be killed somewhere in the production line of your
fuel Whether its in the field, in the oil fryer or if its made from
waste chicken fat.

And remember your car kills countless numbers of animals a day. Just
keep in mind that the chickens were not killed to fuel your car.

Thanks to John Bonitz. I did not know the distinction between the coop
and industrial.

O.K. carry on with the good job fuel makers!



On 10/31/07, David Cunningham <dcunningham at aeieng.com> wrote:
> Rich,
>  ! Good job!
>
> Dave C
>
> >>> "RICH DILAURO" <RDILAURO at NC.RR.COM> 10/31/2007 11:30 AM >>>
> Jason,
>   I think they were foreign chickens with ties to Al- Qaeda. They were
> humanely treated and  quickly euthanized. Subsequently they had all filled
> out organ donor cards. They're in a peaceful place (w/ their 40 virgins)
> knowing their meager existence had purpose.
>   Actually, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass but I guess it could have
> been interpreted that way. I was just pointing out the fact that fryer oil
> would be tainted w/ animal fats.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Jones" <jasonwilliamjones at gmail.com>
> To: "Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers" <workers at lists.biofuels.coop>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken Fat Brew
>
>
> > This has turned into a very interesting email thread.
> >
> > I don't mind using chicken fat, but I had a question to add:
> >
> > Were they US chickens or foreign chickens?
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > On 10/31/07, Joe & Ashlyn <ashbshaw at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> My wife and I are vegans, we are reconsidering using biofuiel since
> >> chicken fat is being used. Is there any chance in the future that
> >> the biodiesel would be more recaptured grease from restaurants?
> >> What are other co-ops using for grease?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Joe
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Workers mailing list
> >> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jason W. Jones
> > Tel: 919-272-2790
> > _______________________________________________
> > Workers mailing list
> > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>


-- 
William Gargan

Durham, NC
919-636-2623

Biodiesel- Supporting American farmers, Creating American jobs!

Do you have a high fuel demand and are tired of supporting terrorist countries?
Find a distributor near you:
http://www.biodiesel.org/

From hlbarnum at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 13:23:56 2007
From: hlbarnum at gmail.com (Hannah Barnum)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:23:56 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] chicken fat vs. wvo
In-Reply-To: <a0646e690710310857m7f7f9db3j5bcc28acd32521a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0646e690710310857m7f7f9db3j5bcc28acd32521a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fcbfa9c80710311123nee21a04h7a3133552c1fd9d2@mail.gmail.com>

While I have the utmost respect for the piedmont co-op crew, and
support you in sourcing all your wvo locally . . please do not forget
the "unaffiliated" homebrewers and svo folks who have standing
relationships with some of the wvo sources out there.  Perhaps by
asking instead "is someone recycling your wvo into local fuel?"
I'll sell my car before I fight with another human being over a vat of
fryer grease.
I know there was no offense intended, Greg.  None taken.
peace,
Hannah

~ Anole Nook at Blue Heron Farm ~
     Support your local farmer!

>
> - and if you want to help, go to restaurants and ask them if piedmont
> biofuels picks up their WVO, and if they don't, give them our number!!!!
>
> Greg Austic
>
> --
> Greg Austic
> Piedmont Biofuels
> Feedstocks, Oil Collection, R & D
> www.biofuels.coop
>

From david at biofuels.coop  Wed Oct 31 13:34:21 2007
From: david at biofuels.coop (David Thornton)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] chicken fat vs. wvo
In-Reply-To: <a0646e690710310857m7f7f9db3j5bcc28acd32521a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0646e690710310857m7f7f9db3j5bcc28acd32521a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93E6887F-43E8-4475-9939-5940EB69F87A@biofuels.coop>

It's from NC poultry ... mostly

On Oct 31, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Greg Austic wrote:

> Everyone,
>
> We at Piedmont are aware of this issue, not just from a standpoint  
> of vegans, but generally we feel it is better if you can use local  
> WVO.  We are currently building a WVO collection business which  
> will supply the biodiesel plant with WVO from local fryers.  This  
> will have many benefits - we will control our feedstock quantity  
> and price, we'll have better cold flow properties, and we'll get  
> off chicken.  We hope that by the end of the year we can collect  
> 20k gallons per month, which is a large portion of our overall  
> monthly fat/oil consumption at the plant.
>
> Starting, building, and operating requires making choices between  
> what's you want and what you can actually make happen, and we've  
> made chicken fat happen, but we want WVO - and we're working on  
> it.  So thanks for being patient -
>
> - and if you want to help, go to restaurants and ask them if  
> piedmont biofuels picks up their WVO, and if they don't, give them  
> our number!!!!
>
> Greg Austic
>
> -- 
> Greg Austic
> Piedmont Biofuels
> Feedstocks, Oil Collection, R & D
> www.biofuels.coop
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers

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From lyle at blast.com  Wed Oct 31 14:03:57 2007
From: lyle at blast.com (Lyle Estill)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:03:57 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken et al.
Message-ID: <DF748249-7596-4118-A30E-94EE71C3C202@blast.com>

I think Joe and Ashlyn make a good point.  I'm assuming that part of  
the vegan motivation is to disassociate from meat altogether, and  
that if that disassociation is in place, burning a fuel derived from  
chicken could be disconcerting.

Some abandon meat for health, some for energy, and some on  
humanitarian grounds.

If we assume the objection is rooted in humanitarian thinking,  
wouldn't it be true that driving around on petroleum would have a  
greater impact on a greater number of species, and is therefore less  
humane than running around on factory raised chicken?



Lyle Estill
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop
919-321-8260
Fax: 919-321-6769



From jasonwilliamjones at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 14:50:25 2007
From: jasonwilliamjones at gmail.com (Jason Jones)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:50:25 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken et al.
In-Reply-To: <DF748249-7596-4118-A30E-94EE71C3C202@blast.com>
References: <DF748249-7596-4118-A30E-94EE71C3C202@blast.com>
Message-ID: <a64fb6800710311250k4bbaf45l43d5c4623aa2995@mail.gmail.com>

I guess we could ask the chickens...  :)

On 10/31/07, Lyle Estill <lyle at blast.com> wrote:
> I think Joe and Ashlyn make a good point.  I'm assuming that part of
> the vegan motivation is to disassociate from meat altogether, and
> that if that disassociation is in place, burning a fuel derived from
> chicken could be disconcerting.
>
> Some abandon meat for health, some for energy, and some on
> humanitarian grounds.
>
> If we assume the objection is rooted in humanitarian thinking,
> wouldn't it be true that driving around on petroleum would have a
> greater impact on a greater number of species, and is therefore less
> humane than running around on factory raised chicken?
>
>
>
> Lyle Estill
> Piedmont Biofuels
> www.biofuels.coop
> 919-321-8260
> Fax: 919-321-6769
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>


-- 
Jason W. Jones
Tel: 919-272-2790

From mattr at biofuels.coop  Wed Oct 31 15:19:33 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:19:33 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken et al.
In-Reply-To: <a64fb6800710311250k4bbaf45l43d5c4623aa2995@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DF748249-7596-4118-A30E-94EE71C3C202@blast.com>
	<a64fb6800710311250k4bbaf45l43d5c4623aa2995@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A655505-7395-4094-B674-FA60AC49A85C@biofuels.coop>

Thanks Lyle.  I was also just about to make the same point.  Also, it  
should be noted that this discussion really should have taken place  
on the BIG list, where there is a wider audience.  This email list is  
really for worker-members, to help coordinate volunteer activities at  
the biodiesel cooperative.

That said, nobody ever argued that just because you have biodiesel,  
you should drive without regard to your fuel/energy usage.  We make  
biodiesel from the resources that are locally available.  They might  
be used fryer oil, soybean oil, or chicken fat from poultry plants in  
eastern North Carolina.  We do it because we believe it is a better  
alternative to petroleum fuel.  It seems strange to me to think  
someone would stop using biodiesel for ethical reasons, because the  
alternative is petroleum, and that is produced by raping the Earth of  
its natural resources, and killing people for access in politically  
unstable regions of the Earth.  If your choice is between biodiesel  
and walking or biking, and you are truly trying to live in harmony  
with the world, then we really do think you should get off biodiesel  
ASAP.  If however your life necessitates driving, biodiesel is  
probably a more ethical alternative to petroleum-based fuels.

On Oct 31, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Jason Jones wrote:

> I guess we could ask the chickens...  :)
>
> On 10/31/07, Lyle Estill <lyle at blast.com> wrote:
>> I think Joe and Ashlyn make a good point.  I'm assuming that part of
>> the vegan motivation is to disassociate from meat altogether, and
>> that if that disassociation is in place, burning a fuel derived from
>> chicken could be disconcerting.
>>
>> Some abandon meat for health, some for energy, and some on
>> humanitarian grounds.
>>
>> If we assume the objection is rooted in humanitarian thinking,
>> wouldn't it be true that driving around on petroleum would have a
>> greater impact on a greater number of species, and is therefore less
>> humane than running around on factory raised chicken?
>>
>>
>>
>> Lyle Estill
>> Piedmont Biofuels
>> www.biofuels.coop
>> 919-321-8260
>> Fax: 919-321-6769
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Workers mailing list
>> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Jason W. Jones
> Tel: 919-272-2790
> _______________________________________________
> Workers mailing list
> Workers at lists.biofuels.coop
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From ashbshaw at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 31 19:45:38 2007
From: ashbshaw at nc.rr.com (Joe & Ashlyn)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:45:38 -0700
Subject: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken et al.
References: <DF748249-7596-4118-A30E-94EE71C3C202@blast.com><a64fb6800710311250k4bbaf45l43d5c4623aa2995@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A655505-7395-4094-B674-FA60AC49A85C@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <001401c81c20$85cee880$020fa8c0@josephnwhv0mhh>

Matthew,
        I'm the one who started this thread, I have been out to observe 
making biofuel one time, that's why I'm on the workers email list. I was 
only inquiring as a future worker to help out and get a discount.
        As far as biodiesel is concerned I think it's a very good 
alternative to petroleum productif made in the right way. However I ask 
about the chicken fat being used only as a personal choice . I also ask if 
there was a chance that the Piedmont Biofuels cooperative was planning to 
use more recaptured oil in the future instead of the percentage of chicken 
fat being used now. Then someone emailed and said at the Piedmont Biodiesel 
Industrial site all the base oils were vegetable oils. Is that true or is 
the industrial site using chicken fat now or will they introduce in the 
future to the biodiesel mix. If it's going to stay straight up vegetable oil 
I will keep buying from the local Piedmont Biodiesel pump.
       As far as ethical reasons for not wanting to use animal products for 
the biodiesel there is a ton of information out there about why animals 
should not be killed for food sources. I think people that question this 
should look into reasons why animal consumption is right up there with oil 
as to why the planet is hurting. Every animal that is raised for food 
destroys alot of land every day and depletes the earths valuable recourses 
as much as oil. Not  to mention run off from hog farms. So when you add up 
all the numbers the way the earth is being robbed comes from alot of 
sources.

Regards, Joe
     Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Rudolf" <mattr at biofuels.coop>
To: "Piedmont Biofuels Co-op Worker M-embers" <workers at lists.biofuels.coop>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels Workers] Chicken et al.


> Thanks Lyle.  I was also just about to make the same point.  Also, it
> should be noted that this discussion really should have taken place
> on the BIG list, where there is a wider audience.  This email list is
> really for worker-members, to help coordinate volunteer activities at
> the biodiesel cooperative.
>
> That said, nobody ever argued that just because you have biodiesel,
> you should drive without regard to your fuel/energy usage.  We make
> biodiesel from the resources that are locally available.  They might
> be used fryer oil, soybean oil, or chicken fat from poultry plants in
> eastern North Carolina.  We do it because we believe it is a better
> alternative to petroleum fuel.  It seems strange to me to think
> someone would stop using biodiesel for ethical reasons, because the
> alternative is petroleum, and that is produced by raping the Earth of
> its natural resources, and killing people for access in politically
> unstable regions of the Earth.  If your choice is between biodiesel
> and walking or biking, and you are truly trying to live in harmony
> with the world, then we really do think you should get off biodiesel
> ASAP.  If however your life necessitates driving, biodiesel is
> probably a more ethical alternative to petroleum-based fuels.
>
> On Oct 31, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Jason Jones wrote:
>
>> I guess we cou