From energy at business.fiu.edu Thu Jan 3 13:58:14 2008 From: energy at business.fiu.edu (Energy Business Forum) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:58:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Only 3 Weeks Away-Biofuels in the Americas-Technology, Investment, and the Path Forward- January 24, 2008 Miami, FL In-Reply-To: <026201c84d9b$ca856ab0$a52b5e83@ba.fiu.edu> Message-ID: <25064628.37011199386694058.JavaMail.root@node2.business.fiu.edu> The conference program has been updated. To access the latest version, please Click Here To access Registration and the Conference Website see the e-flyer below. We hope to see you in SUNNY Miami in January! Click Here for the Event Homepage Click Here for the Event Registration -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <6E4EF255-0117-1000-8E5A-9953D279F57D-Webmail-10021@mac.com> A Jersey environmental chemical engineer with interests in biofuels, ethanol, digestion, and biodiesel, and environmental technologies would like to share a room to keep costs down. Plan to arrive Sat AM. Leave Tues PM Peace in the new year, Robert Evangelista r.evangelista at mac.com From lisas at eco-energyinc.com Tue Jan 8 12:02:13 2008 From: lisas at eco-energyinc.com (Lisa Sullivan) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:02:13 -0600 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] (no subject) Message-ID: please post my address: lisas at eco-energyinc.com Lisa D. Sullivan Quality Control Administrator Phone: 615-786-0396 efax: 615-807-3842 www.eco-energyinc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080108/473d0e1b/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080109/a0913fb8/attachment.htm From emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org Sat Jan 12 11:11:46 2008 From: emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org (emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:11:46 -0500 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Your feedback requested Message-ID: <005f01c85535$d4e4c810$2e01a8c0@Michael> I have been asked to speak at the 2008 NBB Opening General Session, to contribute a perspective from smaller producers, the sustainability community, and alternative feedstocks. After a welcome from Joe Jobe and Ed Hegland, there will be a discussion among Ed, Gary Haer (REG), Graham Noyes (Imperium) and myself (SBS, Philadelphia Fry-o-Diesel, and The Energy Cooperative) about some of the issues facing the industry now. This discussion is a forum to acknowledge some of the challenges facing our industry, some of the highpoints and trends of 07, and talk about best practices, messaging, and policies that we can employ in 2008. This is also a meaningful opportunity to communicate the message of sustainability to a very broad audience. I view having a seat at this table as the result of our entire community's tireless hours advocating for sustainability and making it happen on their home front. This is a great opportunity for our community, I want to do my best to represent it well. A big part of this means getting feedback from you. In the hopes of kick-starting a discussion here, I have listed out several questions - would you take a moment and reply to some or all of them? * What it is that you would like to communicate in this forum? What issues would you like to see brought to light? * Topics covered will likely include: Feedstock issues, Government policy, Environmental sustainability, Financial sustainability, Implications of Energy Bill mandate as related to fuel quality issues, New technologies, Food vs. fuel issues. Are there other issues you would like discussed? * Do you have a point of view or experience to share with respect to any one of these topics? Having real life anecdotes will be helpful in illustrating certain points. * What do you think about the state of the industry? * What could we do better? * What are your top three challenges on a daily basis? * What are your top three big-picture challenges? I strongly encourage you to respond on list so that we can start a constructive discussion here. However, I also welcome feedback directly at emily at sustainable-biodisel.org. The conference is only 3 weeks away, so the sooner you can respond the better. Thank you for your thoughtful contributions, and I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Emily Bockian Landsburg SBS Organizing Committee Philadelphia Fry-o-Diesel The Energy Cooperative -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080112/b06e4534/attachment.htm From ehoffner at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 21:49:49 2008 From: ehoffner at yahoo.com (Erik Hoffner) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:49:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Your feedback requested In-Reply-To: <005f01c85535$d4e4c810$2e01a8c0@Michael> Message-ID: <585495.94499.qm@web52102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks for being a voice for sustainability at NBB, Emily. As a board member of a small, community-owned, sustainable-feedstock startup, I can tell you that our number one issue is obtaining financing. Not equity. We nailed that down long ago. But to finalize our financing, we need to secure the remainder in debt. The amount of debt we need is too much for most local banks and too small for most national ones, and it's in an industry that 99.9% of bankers have no experience with. It's impossible to point to other projects in the Northeast to say that it works. On top of that there is the over-hyping of biofuel investment in recent years that's collapsed interest, in combination with the subprime fallout. Erik Hoffner Boardmember, Northeast Biodiesel Greenfield, MA --- emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org wrote: > I have been asked to speak at the 2008 NBB Opening > General Session, to > contribute a perspective from smaller producers, the > sustainability > community, and alternative feedstocks. After a > welcome from Joe Jobe and Ed > Hegland, there will be a discussion among Ed, Gary > Haer (REG), Graham Noyes > (Imperium) and myself (SBS, Philadelphia > Fry-o-Diesel, and The Energy > Cooperative) about some of the issues facing the > industry now. > > > > This discussion is a forum to acknowledge some of > the challenges facing our > industry, some of the highpoints and trends of 07, > and talk about best > practices, messaging, and policies that we can > employ in 2008. This is also > a meaningful opportunity to communicate the message > of sustainability to a > very broad audience. > > > > I view having a seat at this table as the result of > our entire community's > tireless hours advocating for sustainability and > making it happen on their > home front. This is a great opportunity for our > community, I want to do my > best to represent it well. A big part of this means > getting feedback from > you. In the hopes of kick-starting a discussion > here, I have listed out > several questions - would you take a moment and > reply to some or all of > them? > > > > * What it is that you would like to communicate in > this forum? What > issues would you like to see brought to light? > * Topics covered will likely include: Feedstock > issues, Government > policy, Environmental sustainability, Financial > sustainability, Implications > of Energy Bill mandate as related to fuel quality > issues, New technologies, > Food vs. fuel issues. Are there other issues you > would like discussed? > * Do you have a point of view or experience to share > with respect to > any one of these topics? Having real life anecdotes > will be helpful in > illustrating certain points. > * What do you think about the state of the industry? > * What could we do better? > * What are your top three challenges on a daily > basis? > * What are your top three big-picture challenges? > > > > I strongly encourage you to respond on list so that > we can start a > constructive discussion here. However, I also > welcome feedback directly at > > emily at sustainable-biodisel.org. The > conference is only 3 weeks away, so the sooner you > can respond the better. > > > > Thank you for your thoughtful contributions, and I > look forward to hearing > from you. > > > > Sincerely, > > Emily Bockian Landsburg > > SBS Organizing Committee > > > Philadelphia Fry-o-Diesel > > > The Energy Cooperative > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sustainable-biodiesel mailing list > Sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/sustainable-biodiesel > -- "Follow the example of the best, those who give up everything to build a better world." - Salvador Allende -- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From jason at dieselgreenfuels.com Tue Jan 15 02:55:01 2008 From: jason at dieselgreenfuels.com (Jason Burroughs) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:55:01 -0600 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Your feedback requested - warning, long response! In-Reply-To: <005f01c85535$d4e4c810$2e01a8c0@Michael> References: <005f01c85535$d4e4c810$2e01a8c0@Michael> Message-ID: <478C66D5.6040502@dieselgreenfuels.com> Hi Emily, A couple of key points to make with the sustainability discussion: Europe is ahead of us on this. The EU is poised to ban unsustainable palm oil. Waste oil is probably the most sustainable feedstock available today. The rendering industry should be encouraged, and be getting the same subsidy as the virgin oil producers - period. Lobbying efforts should push governmental support for biofuels in direct relation to their sustainability. Just as the Renewable Fuel Standard credits on a sliding scale (poorly, mind you), subsidies and "kudos" should go to sustainably produced fuel of all types. The first step is to establish a working group for the purpose of establishing sustainability. The first round can be a simple energy return formula, with later tweaks to cover full lifecycle emissions. The NBB needs to support the grassroots community better. Companies like mine (biodiesel distributor, renderer, etc) are out there giving blood sweat and tears to an industry that appears to care little for us. There needs to be a much more fleshed out 'small business' membership and a seat at the table. Personal anecdote: with input from a single informed citizen (me), my city government changed their biodiesel bidding process to exclude unsustainable palm - over 5 million gallons would have been imported this year if I had not intervened. Once customers really understand the issue, they WILL act responsibly. Company anecdote: Texas' environmental regulator has effectively banned the sale of blends of biodiesel over B20 in most of the state for environmental reasons. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face by implementing a heavy handed approach to NOx reduction. If we comply, we go out of business. If we don't, we face huge fines and other sanctions. The NBB needs to work harder to educate regulators in local regions, possibly by establishing regional or state chapters with responsible parties to engage these agencies in meaningful (ie without lawyers) dialog. My top 3 daily issues (had to put in 4): -demand. There is simply not enough demand for biodiesel at a distribution or retail level to support a real business in many markets. -funding. It takes a lot of money for permits, rent, insurance, and equipment. Adequate funding for the extended period of time it takes to build a market is hard to come by without selling your soul. We spend over $1000 per month on what we call "shop supplies" - random plumbing parts, filters, small equipment, etc that we can't depreciate and will probably last a year or two tops. -talent. There are very few people that have the combination of talent, ambition, business acumen, and experience to make a business like ours work. -time. Trying to hold down a 50 hour a week day job AND run a business, while trying to have a family life (forget about a social life) can be very draining. Ask my wife about my 3 week "honeymoon" that I spent all but 5 days at the shop... My top 3 big picture issues: -the public does not understand biodiesel. Let's spend some of that big soy money and put some commercials on TV and do some cross country tours. Promote the nomads traveling the country on biofuels with sponsorships. -regulatory people do not understand biodiesel. Establish a rendering standard that does not allow for selling into the feed market, eliminating a ton of red tape for those of us exclusively in the biofuels industry. Carry the federal rebate to B100, eliminating all B99 blends from the market (and all it's associated headaches). -vehicle manufactures do not understand biodiesel. Put R&D folks from major car manufacturers in a room and make them say why they wouldn't warranty their vehicles when used with pure biodiesel. Push for specialty dealers that are trained on biofuels. [bonus personal anecdote: A customer called upset because their 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD had died on the highway, putting their life in jeopardy. After her frantic call, I took the day off work to talk to the dealer about what was going wrong and try to help. The dealer's mechanic said "it smells like rancid oil and has fat globules in it. We need to drain the tank and flush all the lines, for $1000". I went to the dealer and found that the smell was good B100 from WVO feedstock, and the "fat globules" were just the glue dots holding the paper filter together (we took it apart with a saw to confirm). The dealer conceded, changed the fuel filter, and the customer was on her way. The truth was, it had been 12,000 miles since her last fuel filter change, and Jeep recommends every 10k for that vehicle.] On a somewhat somber note, the reality is that there is not nearly enough sustainably produce-able biodiesel in the world to meet the global demand. We are in a catch-22, in the sense that while we want to displace as much petroleum as possible, the technology to do so in an environmentally friendly manner is simply not here yet. With 300 billion gallons of diesel consumed anually worldwide, but only 30 billion gallons total oilseed production, we are nowhere in the realm of being a real force. With that in mind, all that we do today, in our world of 60 gallons per acre soybean oil, government subsidies, oilseed prices tracking that of diesel, and current feedstocks almost entirely dependent on massive amounts of petroleum products (fertilizer and fuel), we are only setting the stage for the next generation of biofuels. Biodiesel from algae, ethanol from waste, and other biofuels will take our planet to another level of energy efficiency and sustainability. For now, we need to keep it in perspective and recognize that we are only bridging the gap between a half dozen generations of mindless waste and a future of true renewable fuels. The "solutions" we come up with now are almost petty in light of the tremendous limitations of our current technology. Here's one more thought...on the "what can we do better" question - I'd like to see the Sustainable Biodiesel Alliance come together to the point where companies like mine can join and be part of it. We heard the announcement in San Antonio last year (I won't be able to make it to Orlando this year), and have been chomping at the bit to know where we fit in. We are part of the National Vegoil Board, a similar type of industry association that has also done very little to get off the ground. Although we attended last year's conference, we weren't invited to this year's. I know it was not intentional, but I didn't get a single email or follow up, even after attending the Co-op conference in Colorado in July. If the organizational side of the SBS/SBA is relying on folks like us to remember to check in, there will be lots of us who are too busy until it's too late. A better job can be done of networking and staying in touch with the grass roots companies and people across the country, and working to bring us together. I know of no other company in the entire state of Texas attending - not Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, or Austin. Hopefully someone will be there to represent, but the lesson is clear - reach out to former attendees by subscribing them to newsletters, sending an occasional email, etc. Thanks so much for the work that you all do on behalf of an admittedly rag tag group of individualists scattered across a huge nation. We all have our regional issues to deal with, and without forums to address them, we will begin to lose traction and fall into disarray. It is only through organization and structure that we can hope to have some impact on this incredible monster of energy usage. Jason Burroughs DieselGreen Fuels Visit our website 512-391-0569 512-992-8677 emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org wrote: > > I have been asked to speak at the 2008 NBB Opening General Session, to > contribute a perspective from smaller producers, the sustainability > community, and alternative feedstocks. After a welcome from Joe Jobe > and Ed Hegland, there will be a discussion among Ed, Gary Haer (REG), > Graham Noyes (Imperium) and myself (SBS, Philadelphia Fry-o-Diesel, > and The Energy Cooperative) about some of the issues facing the > industry now. > > This discussion is a forum to acknowledge some of the challenges > facing our industry, some of the highpoints and trends of 07, and talk > about best practices, messaging, and policies that we can employ in > 2008. This is also a meaningful opportunity to communicate the message > of sustainability to a very broad audience. > > I view having a seat at this table as the result of our entire > community?s tireless hours advocating for sustainability and making it > happen on their home front. This is a great opportunity for our > community, I want to do my best to represent it well. A big part of > this means getting feedback from you. In the hopes of kick-starting a > discussion here, I have listed out several questions - would you take > a moment and reply to some or all of them? > > * What it is that you would like to communicate in this forum? > What issues would you like to see brought to light? > * Topics covered will likely include: Feedstock issues, Government > policy, Environmental sustainability, Financial sustainability, > Implications of Energy Bill mandate as related to fuel quality > issues, New technologies, Food vs. fuel issues. Are there other > issues you would like discussed? > * Do you have a point of view or experience to share with respect > to any one of these topics? Having real life anecdotes will be > helpful in illustrating certain points. > * What do you think about the state of the industry? > * What could we do better? > * What are your top three challenges on a daily basis? > * What are your top three big-picture challenges? > > I strongly encourage you to respond on list so that we can start a > constructive discussion here. However, I also welcome feedback > directly at emily at sustainable-biodisel.org > . The conference is only 3 > weeks away, so the sooner you can respond the better. > > Thank you for your thoughtful contributions, and I look forward to > hearing from you. > > Sincerely, > > Emily Bockian Landsburg > > SBS Organizing Committee > > Philadelphia Fry-o-Diesel > > The Energy Cooperative > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sustainable-biodiesel mailing list > Sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/sustainable-biodiesel > From paris75001 at aol.com Tue Jan 15 11:44:12 2008 From: paris75001 at aol.com (paris75001 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:44:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] NYTimes.com: Europe May Ban Imports of Some Biofuel Crops Message-ID: <20080115164412.3B36E1195F2@mail2.blast.com> This page was sent to you by: paris75001 at aol.com. BUSINESS / WORLD BUSINESS | January 15, 2008 Europe May Ban Imports of Some Biofuel Crops By JAMES KANTER If approved, the law would prohibit the importation of fuels derived from crops grown on certain kinds of land — including forests, wetlands or grasslands. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/business/worldbusiness/15biofuel.html?ex=1201064400&en=b8a3a4d511254b0e&ei=5070&emc=eta1 ---------------------------------------------------------- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help at nytimes.com. NYTimes.com 620 Eighth Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080115/3dbe3fe4/attachment.htm From paxfuel at willitsonline.com Tue Jan 15 12:16:14 2008 From: paxfuel at willitsonline.com (Kimber Holmes) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:16:14 -0800 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Your feedback requested - warning, long response! In-Reply-To: <478C66D5.6040502@dieselgreenfuels.com> Message-ID: <000801c8579a$5559d5b0$0200a8c0@YOURCB03FA00D3> Jason, This is an excellent response, and as a distributor of biodiesel it speaks very effectively of my own experience. Bravo! I would like to add two more points... The importance of moving away from the centralized model, and localize feedstock procurement, production, and distribution based on what that bioregion can maintain utilizing sustainable practices. That as we educate about appropriate renewable fuels & energy sources conservation be a big part of that education, if we as a nation truly want to solve our collective energy challenge. Kimber Holmes Biofuel Station Laytonville, Ca 95454 707 984-6818 www.paxfuel.com -----Original Message----- From: sustainable-biodiesel-bounces at lists.emji.net [mailto:sustainable-biodiesel-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Jason Burroughs Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:55 PM To: emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org; sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Your feedback requested - warning, long response! Hi Emily, A couple of key points to make with the sustainability discussion: Europe is ahead of us on this. The EU is poised to ban unsustainable palm oil. Waste oil is probably the most sustainable feedstock available today. The rendering industry should be encouraged, and be getting the same subsidy as the virgin oil producers - period. Lobbying efforts should push governmental support for biofuels in direct relation to their sustainability. Just as the Renewable Fuel Standard credits on a sliding scale (poorly, mind you), subsidies and "kudos" should go to sustainably produced fuel of all types. The first step is to establish a working group for the purpose of establishing sustainability. The first round can be a simple energy return formula, with later tweaks to cover full lifecycle emissions. The NBB needs to support the grassroots community better. Companies like mine (biodiesel distributor, renderer, etc) are out there giving blood sweat and tears to an industry that appears to care little for us. There needs to be a much more fleshed out 'small business' membership and a seat at the table. Personal anecdote: with input from a single informed citizen (me), my city government changed their biodiesel bidding process to exclude unsustainable palm - over 5 million gallons would have been imported this year if I had not intervened. Once customers really understand the issue, they WILL act responsibly. Company anecdote: Texas' environmental regulator has effectively banned the sale of blends of biodiesel over B20 in most of the state for environmental reasons. They are cutting off their nose to spite their face by implementing a heavy handed approach to NOx reduction. If we comply, we go out of business. If we don't, we face huge fines and other sanctions. The NBB needs to work harder to educate regulators in local regions, possibly by establishing regional or state chapters with responsible parties to engage these agencies in meaningful (ie without lawyers) dialog. My top 3 daily issues (had to put in 4): -demand. There is simply not enough demand for biodiesel at a distribution or retail level to support a real business in many markets. -funding. It takes a lot of money for permits, rent, insurance, and equipment. Adequate funding for the extended period of time it takes to build a market is hard to come by without selling your soul. We spend over $1000 per month on what we call "shop supplies" - random plumbing parts, filters, small equipment, etc that we can't depreciate and will probably last a year or two tops. -talent. There are very few people that have the combination of talent, ambition, business acumen, and experience to make a business like ours work. -time. Trying to hold down a 50 hour a week day job AND run a business, while trying to have a family life (forget about a social life) can be very draining. Ask my wife about my 3 week "honeymoon" that I spent all but 5 days at the shop... My top 3 big picture issues: -the public does not understand biodiesel. Let's spend some of that big soy money and put some commercials on TV and do some cross country tours. Promote the nomads traveling the country on biofuels with sponsorships. -regulatory people do not understand biodiesel. Establish a rendering standard that does not allow for selling into the feed market, eliminating a ton of red tape for those of us exclusively in the biofuels industry. Carry the federal rebate to B100, eliminating all B99 blends from the market (and all it's associated headaches). -vehicle manufactures do not understand biodiesel. Put R&D folks from major car manufacturers in a room and make them say why they wouldn't warranty their vehicles when used with pure biodiesel. Push for specialty dealers that are trained on biofuels. [bonus personal anecdote: A customer called upset because their 2005 Jeep Liberty CRD had died on the highway, putting their life in jeopardy. After her frantic call, I took the day off work to talk to the dealer about what was going wrong and try to help. The dealer's mechanic said "it smells like rancid oil and has fat globules in it. We need to drain the tank and flush all the lines, for $1000". I went to the dealer and found that the smell was good B100 from WVO feedstock, and the "fat globules" were just the glue dots holding the paper filter together (we took it apart with a saw to confirm). The dealer conceded, changed the fuel filter, and the customer was on her way. The truth was, it had been 12,000 miles since her last fuel filter change, and Jeep recommends every 10k for that vehicle.] On a somewhat somber note, the reality is that there is not nearly enough sustainably produce-able biodiesel in the world to meet the global demand. We are in a catch-22, in the sense that while we want to displace as much petroleum as possible, the technology to do so in an environmentally friendly manner is simply not here yet. With 300 billion gallons of diesel consumed anually worldwide, but only 30 billion gallons total oilseed production, we are nowhere in the realm of being a real force. With that in mind, all that we do today, in our world of 60 gallons per acre soybean oil, government subsidies, oilseed prices tracking that of diesel, and current feedstocks almost entirely dependent on massive amounts of petroleum products (fertilizer and fuel), we are only setting the stage for the next generation of biofuels. Biodiesel from algae, ethanol from waste, and other biofuels will take our planet to another level of energy efficiency and sustainability. For now, we need to keep it in perspective and recognize that we are only bridging the gap between a half dozen generations of mindless waste and a future of true renewable fuels. The "solutions" we come up with now are almost petty in light of the tremendous limitations of our current technology. Here's one more thought...on the "what can we do better" question - I'd like to see the Sustainable Biodiesel Alliance come together to the point where companies like mine can join and be part of it. We heard the announcement in San Antonio last year (I won't be able to make it to Orlando this year), and have been chomping at the bit to know where we fit in. We are part of the National Vegoil Board, a similar type of industry association that has also done very little to get off the ground. Although we attended last year's conference, we weren't invited to this year's. I know it was not intentional, but I didn't get a single email or follow up, even after attending the Co-op conference in Colorado in July. If the organizational side of the SBS/SBA is relying on folks like us to remember to check in, there will be lots of us who are too busy until it's too late. A better job can be done of networking and staying in touch with the grass roots companies and people across the country, and working to bring us together. I know of no other company in the entire state of Texas attending - not Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, or Austin. Hopefully someone will be there to represent, but the lesson is clear - reach out to former attendees by subscribing them to newsletters, sending an occasional email, etc. Thanks so much for the work that you all do on behalf of an admittedly rag tag group of individualists scattered across a huge nation. We all have our regional issues to deal with, and without forums to address them, we will begin to lose traction and fall into disarray. It is only through organization and structure that we can hope to have some impact on this incredible monster of energy usage. Jason Burroughs DieselGreen Fuels Visit our website 512-391-0569 512-992-8677 emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org wrote: > > I have been asked to speak at the 2008 NBB Opening General Session, to > contribute a perspective from smaller producers, the sustainability > community, and alternative feedstocks. After a welcome from Joe Jobe > and Ed Hegland, there will be a discussion among Ed, Gary Haer (REG), > Graham Noyes (Imperium) and myself (SBS, Philadelphia Fry-o-Diesel, > and The Energy Cooperative) about some of the issues facing the > industry now. > > This discussion is a forum to acknowledge some of the challenges > facing our industry, some of the highpoints and trends of 07, and talk > about best practices, messaging, and policies that we can employ in > 2008. This is also a meaningful opportunity to communicate the message > of sustainability to a very broad audience. > > I view having a seat at this table as the result of our entire > community's tireless hours advocating for sustainability and making it > happen on their home front. This is a great opportunity for our > community, I want to do my best to represent it well. A big part of > this means getting feedback from you. In the hopes of kick-starting a > discussion here, I have listed out several questions - would you take > a moment and reply to some or all of them? > > * What it is that you would like to communicate in this forum? > What issues would you like to see brought to light? > * Topics covered will likely include: Feedstock issues, Government > policy, Environmental sustainability, Financial sustainability, > Implications of Energy Bill mandate as related to fuel quality > issues, New technologies, Food vs. fuel issues. Are there other > issues you would like discussed? > * Do you have a point of view or experience to share with respect > to any one of these topics? Having real life anecdotes will be > helpful in illustrating certain points. > * What do you think about the state of the industry? > * What could we do better? > * What are your top three challenges on a daily basis? > * What are your top three big-picture challenges? > > I strongly encourage you to respond on list so that we can start a > constructive discussion here. However, I also welcome feedback > directly at emily at sustainable-biodisel.org > . The conference is only 3 > weeks away, so the sooner you can respond the better. > > Thank you for your thoughtful contributions, and I look forward to > hearing from you. > > Sincerely, > > Emily Bockian Landsburg > > SBS Organizing Committee > > Philadelphia Fry-o-Diesel > > The Energy Cooperative > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sustainable-biodiesel mailing list > Sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/sustainable-biodiesel > _______________________________________________ Sustainable-biodiesel mailing list Sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/sustainable-biodiesel From tysoncanoe at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 16:20:27 2008 From: tysoncanoe at yahoo.com (Tyson Schoelzel) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:20:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Hotel Share in Orlando on February 2 Message-ID: <380389.95275.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all! Is anyone looking to split a hotel room on February 2nd? Is anyone looking to split a hotel room on other nights through February 5th? I can keep to myself and I am not messy. I am male, but I don't mind sharing a room with either males, females, or both. Tyson Tyson Schoelzel Energy and Environment, Woodworker, and Canoe Guide 860-680-6768 (cell) tysoncanoe at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080115/1d1604c5/attachment-0001.htm From jenniferradtke at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 21:17:23 2008 From: jenniferradtke at yahoo.com (jennifer) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:17:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Your feedback requested - warning, long response! In-Reply-To: <000801c8579a$5559d5b0$0200a8c0@YOURCB03FA00D3> Message-ID: <727788.52901.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All great points! I would like to emphasize two: 1. The tax credit should be the same for all feedstocks (i.e. not half as much for recycled veg oil). Not only would this be more sustainable but it would mean far less paperwork to get the tax credit. 2. The excise tax credit should include B100 (and not be for B99.9 and below). The grassroots people run B100 and want to have access to B100. The NBB has repeatedly ignored B100 (and blends above B20). If they want to keep the grassroots and sustainable biodiesel on their side, they need to be inclusive of B100 and fight for that as well... in emissions testings, in tax credits, with the car manufacturers, etc. Thanks Emily for giving this talk. You will do an amazing job. -Jennifer Jennifer Radtke BioFuel Oasis --- Kimber Holmes wrote: > Jason, > This is an excellent response, and as a distributor > of biodiesel it speaks > very effectively of my own experience. Bravo! > > I would like to add two more points... > > The importance of moving away from the centralized > model, and localize > feedstock procurement, production, and distribution > based on what that > bioregion can maintain utilizing sustainable > practices. > > That as we educate about appropriate renewable fuels > & energy sources > conservation be a big part of that education, if we > as a nation truly want > to solve our collective energy challenge. > > Kimber Holmes > Biofuel Station > Laytonville, Ca 95454 > 707 984-6818 > www.paxfuel.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sustainable-biodiesel-bounces at lists.emji.net > [mailto:sustainable-biodiesel-bounces at lists.emji.net] > On Behalf Of Jason > Burroughs > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:55 PM > To: emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org; > sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Your feedback > requested - warning, long > response! > > Hi Emily, > > A couple of key points to make with the > sustainability discussion: > > Europe is ahead of us on this. The EU is poised to > ban unsustainable > palm oil. > Waste oil is probably the most sustainable feedstock > available today. > The rendering industry should be encouraged, and be > getting the same > subsidy as the virgin oil producers - period. > Lobbying efforts should > push governmental support for biofuels in direct > relation to their > sustainability. Just as the Renewable Fuel Standard > credits on a sliding > scale (poorly, mind you), subsidies and "kudos" > should go to sustainably > produced fuel of all types. The first step is to > establish a working > group for the purpose of establishing > sustainability. The first round > can be a simple energy return formula, with later > tweaks to cover full > lifecycle emissions. > > The NBB needs to support the grassroots community > better. Companies like > mine (biodiesel distributor, renderer, etc) are out > there giving blood > sweat and tears to an industry that appears to care > little for us. There > needs to be a much more fleshed out 'small business' > membership and a > seat at the table. > > Personal anecdote: with input from a single informed > citizen (me), my > city government changed their biodiesel bidding > process to exclude > unsustainable palm - over 5 million gallons would > have been imported > this year if I had not intervened. Once customers > really understand the > issue, they WILL act responsibly. > > Company anecdote: Texas' environmental regulator has > effectively banned > the sale of blends of biodiesel over B20 in most of > the state for > environmental reasons. They are cutting off their > nose to spite their > face by implementing a heavy handed approach to NOx > reduction. If we > comply, we go out of business. If we don't, we face > huge fines and other > sanctions. The NBB needs to work harder to educate > regulators in local > regions, possibly by establishing regional or state > chapters with > responsible parties to engage these agencies in > meaningful (ie without > lawyers) dialog. > > > My top 3 daily issues (had to put in 4): > > -demand. There is simply not enough demand for > biodiesel at a > distribution or retail level to support a real > business in many markets. > -funding. It takes a lot of money for permits, rent, > insurance, and > equipment. Adequate funding for the extended period > of time it takes to > build a market is hard to come by without selling > your soul. We spend > over $1000 per month on what we call "shop supplies" > - random plumbing > parts, filters, small equipment, etc that we can't > depreciate and will > probably last a year or two tops. > -talent. There are very few people that have the > combination of talent, > ambition, business acumen, and experience to make a > business like ours > work. > -time. Trying to hold down a 50 hour a week day job > AND run a business, > while trying to have a family life (forget about a > social life) can be > very draining. Ask my wife about my 3 week > "honeymoon" that I spent all > but 5 days at the shop... > > > My top 3 big picture issues: > > -the public does not understand biodiesel. Let's > spend some of that big > soy money and put some commercials on TV and do some > cross country > tours. Promote the nomads traveling the country on > biofuels with > sponsorships. > -regulatory people do not understand biodiesel. > Establish a rendering > standard that does not allow for selling into the > feed market, > eliminating a ton of red tape for those of us > exclusively in the > biofuels industry. Carry the federal rebate to B100, > eliminating all B99 > blends from the market (and all it's associated > headaches). > -vehicle manufactures do not understand biodiesel. > Put R&D folks from > major car manufacturers in a room and make them say > why they > wouldn't warranty their vehicles when used with pure > biodiesel. Push for > specialty dealers that are trained on biofuels. > > [bonus personal anecdote: A customer called upset > because their 2005 > Jeep Liberty CRD had died on the highway, putting > their life in > jeopardy. After her frantic call, I took the day off > work to talk to the > dealer about what was going wrong and try to help. > The dealer's mechanic > said "it smells like rancid oil and has fat globules > in it. We need to > drain the tank and flush all the lines, for $1000". > I went to the dealer > and found that the smell was good B100 from WVO > feedstock, and the "fat > globules" were just the glue dots holding the paper > filter together (we > took it apart with a saw to confirm). The dealer > conceded, changed the > fuel filter, and the customer was on her way. The > truth was, it had been > 12,000 miles since her last fuel filter change, and > Jeep recommends > every 10k for that vehicle.] > > > On a somewhat somber note, the reality is that there > is not nearly > enough sustainably produce-able biodiesel in the > world to meet the > global demand. We are in a catch-22, in the sense > that while we want to > displace as much petroleum as possible, the > technology to do so in an > environmentally friendly manner is simply not here > yet. With 300 billion > gallons of diesel consumed anually worldwide, but > only 30 billion > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From bonitz at cleanenergy.org Wed Jan 16 17:57:00 2008 From: bonitz at cleanenergy.org (John Bonitz) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:57:00 -0500 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Excellent article on sustainable biofuels from Climate Solutions Message-ID: Friends, This article on sustainable biofuels innovations comes from Climate Solutions, a Portland Oregon group. I've enclosed two excerpts and link to the whole story. ~ ~ ~ John Bonitz, Farm Outreach & Policy Advocate Southern Alliance for Clean Energy PO Box 1833, Pittsboro, NC 27312 Phone: 919-545-2920 Mobile: 919-360-2492 bonitz at cleanenergy.org Growing Sustainable Biofuels: Producing Bioenergy on the Farm http://harvestjournal.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/12/growing-sustainable -biofuels-producing-bioenergy-on-the-farm.html By Patrick Mazza While growing biofuels feedstocks on farms is becoming a commonplace, actually making biofuels on the farm is fairly rare. Two Pacific Northwest efforts to develop advanced technologies for farm-scale production illustrate significant potential to produce fuels from local feedstocks for local use. In Corvallis, Oregon a start-up company is working to commercialize a biodiesel microreactor that could serve a small community?s fuel demands with a device that would fit on a bench in a shed. Near Spokane a nonprofit group is developing a farm-scale operation to process agricultural residues into energy products. The biodiesel device is based on a microchannel technology developed by Goran Jovanovic of Oregon State University and announced in 2006. . . . The agricultural residues project is being developed by Farm Power, a nonprofit dedicated to promoting farm-scale bioenergy production. The group is partnered with USDA Agricultural Research Service. In a federal bioenergy research complex heavily focused on large-scale technologies, ARS is a welcome oasis for distributed, community-based bioenergy development. The outfit is looking at potential feedstocks ranging from hog manure in North Carolina to cotton seed oil in Georgia to crop residues in the Northwest. ARS has done some first-order studies looking at biofuels potential of Northwest residues. But, notes Gary Banowetz of ARS, the challenge is that these feedstocks have low energy density and a certain amount must be left on the soil to preserve fertility. Taking these constraints into account, it would require 167,000 acres worth of residues to supply one plant making 10 million gallons of ethanol yearly. So ARS is interested in smaller-scale technologies that are less hungry. The Farm Power project at Rockport, Washington a few miles south of Spokane fits the bill. It employs technology developed at ARS Western Research Institute which uses heat to convert biomass into energy gas. To read the complete article, click here: http://harvestjournal.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/12/growing-sustainable -biofuels-producing-bioenergy-on-the-farm.html From mark at staroilco.net Wed Jan 16 18:25:33 2008 From: mark at staroilco.net (Mark Fitz) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:25:33 -0800 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Excellent article on sustainable biofuelsfrom Climate Solutions References: Message-ID: <013e01c85897$177e0560$7e01a8c0@mark> Attached is another good Oregon Sustainable Biodiesel document. The attached document was recently created by the Oregon Environmental Council and is one of the best documents of its type I've ever seen. It covers every issue facing the sector from Renewable diesel, to sustainable feedstocks, and the potential of second generation technologies. Mark Fitz StarOilco www.DieselGeek.Blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bonitz" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Excellent article on sustainable biofuelsfrom Climate Solutions > Friends, > > This article on sustainable biofuels innovations comes from Climate > Solutions, a Portland Oregon group. I've enclosed two excerpts and link > to > the whole story. > ~ ~ ~ > > John Bonitz, > Farm Outreach & Policy Advocate > Southern Alliance for Clean Energy > PO Box 1833, Pittsboro, NC 27312 > Phone: 919-545-2920 > Mobile: 919-360-2492 > bonitz at cleanenergy.org > > > > Growing Sustainable Biofuels: Producing Bioenergy on the Farm > http://harvestjournal.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/12/growing-sustainable > -biofuels-producing-bioenergy-on-the-farm.html > > By Patrick Mazza > > While growing biofuels feedstocks on farms is becoming a commonplace, > actually making biofuels on the farm is fairly rare. Two Pacific > Northwest > efforts to develop advanced technologies for farm-scale production > illustrate significant potential to produce fuels from local feedstocks > for > local use. > > In Corvallis, Oregon a start-up company is working to commercialize a > biodiesel microreactor that could serve a small community?s fuel demands > with a device that would fit on a bench in a shed. Near Spokane a > nonprofit > group is developing a farm-scale operation to process agricultural > residues > into energy products. > > The biodiesel device is based on a microchannel technology developed by > Goran Jovanovic of Oregon State University and announced in 2006. > > . . . > > The agricultural residues project is being developed by Farm Power, a > nonprofit dedicated to promoting farm-scale bioenergy production. The > group > is partnered with USDA Agricultural Research Service. In a federal > bioenergy research complex heavily focused on large-scale technologies, > ARS > is a welcome oasis for distributed, community-based bioenergy development. > The outfit is looking at potential feedstocks ranging from hog manure in > North Carolina to cotton seed oil in Georgia to crop residues in the > Northwest. > > ARS has done some first-order studies looking at biofuels potential of > Northwest residues. But, notes Gary Banowetz of ARS, the challenge is > that > these feedstocks have low energy density and a certain amount must be left > on the soil to preserve fertility. Taking these constraints into account, > it would require 167,000 acres worth of residues to supply one plant > making > 10 million gallons of ethanol yearly. So ARS is interested in > smaller-scale > technologies that are less hungry. > > The Farm Power project at Rockport, Washington a few miles south of > Spokane > fits the bill. It employs technology developed at ARS Western Research > Institute which uses heat to convert biomass into energy gas. > > To read the complete article, click here: > http://harvestjournal.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/12/growing-sustainable > -biofuels-producing-bioenergy-on-the-farm.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Sustainable-biodiesel mailing list > Sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/sustainable-biodiesel > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From ejubenvill at canadianbioenergy.com Thu Jan 17 16:01:42 2008 From: ejubenvill at canadianbioenergy.com (Emily Jubenvill) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:01:42 -0800 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Excellent article on sustainable biofuelsfrom Climate Solutions Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm trying to start up a biodiesel co-op on the small island I live on off the coast of British Columbia. What kind of tank and pump set-ups are the best to use? Does anyone know where we could get used equipment? Money is tight around here! Thanks so much, Emily Emily Jubenvill | 604.960.0354 x21 -----Original Message----- From: sustainable-biodiesel-bounces at lists.emji.net [mailto:sustainable-biodiesel-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of John Bonitz Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 2:57 PM To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net; sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Excellent article on sustainable biofuelsfrom Climate Solutions Friends, This article on sustainable biofuels innovations comes from Climate Solutions, a Portland Oregon group. I've enclosed two excerpts and link to the whole story. ~ ~ ~ John Bonitz, Farm Outreach & Policy Advocate Southern Alliance for Clean Energy PO Box 1833, Pittsboro, NC 27312 Phone: 919-545-2920 Mobile: 919-360-2492 bonitz at cleanenergy.org Growing Sustainable Biofuels: Producing Bioenergy on the Farm http://harvestjournal.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/12/growing-sustainable -biofuels-producing-bioenergy-on-the-farm.html By Patrick Mazza While growing biofuels feedstocks on farms is becoming a commonplace, actually making biofuels on the farm is fairly rare. Two Pacific Northwest efforts to develop advanced technologies for farm-scale production illustrate significant potential to produce fuels from local feedstocks for local use. In Corvallis, Oregon a start-up company is working to commercialize a biodiesel microreactor that could serve a small community?s fuel demands with a device that would fit on a bench in a shed. Near Spokane a nonprofit group is developing a farm-scale operation to process agricultural residues into energy products. The biodiesel device is based on a microchannel technology developed by Goran Jovanovic of Oregon State University and announced in 2006. . . . The agricultural residues project is being developed by Farm Power, a nonprofit dedicated to promoting farm-scale bioenergy production. The group is partnered with USDA Agricultural Research Service. In a federal bioenergy research complex heavily focused on large-scale technologies, ARS is a welcome oasis for distributed, community-based bioenergy development. The outfit is looking at potential feedstocks ranging from hog manure in North Carolina to cotton seed oil in Georgia to crop residues in the Northwest. ARS has done some first-order studies looking at biofuels potential of Northwest residues. But, notes Gary Banowetz of ARS, the challenge is that these feedstocks have low energy density and a certain amount must be left on the soil to preserve fertility. Taking these constraints into account, it would require 167,000 acres worth of residues to supply one plant making 10 million gallons of ethanol yearly. So ARS is interested in smaller-scale technologies that are less hungry. The Farm Power project at Rockport, Washington a few miles south of Spokane fits the bill. It employs technology developed at ARS Western Research Institute which uses heat to convert biomass into energy gas. To read the complete article, click here: http://harvestjournal.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/12/growing-sustainable -biofuels-producing-bioenergy-on-the-farm.html _______________________________________________ Sustainable-biodiesel mailing list Sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/sustainable-biodiesel From bonitz at cleanenergy.org Fri Jan 18 14:14:04 2008 From: bonitz at cleanenergy.org (John Bonitz) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:14:04 -0500 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Cold Weather Info (AND OTHER ARCHIVAL QUESTIONS) In-Reply-To: <346788.58820.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Kileen, et al, For this and similar requests, there is a searchable archive for both listservs. For example: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/biofuels_interest_group/ Look to the bottom of posts from your listservs for the link to the webpage for that list. Go there, then you'll see a link like this, to the online Archive. All kinds of interesting facts and background info can be gleaned by searching this way. Enjoy! ~ ~ ~ John Bonitz, Farm Outreach & Policy Advocate Southern Alliance for Clean Energy PO Box 1833, Pittsboro, NC 27312 Phone: 919-545-2920 Mobile: 919-360-2492 bonitz at cleanenergy.org Southern Alliance for Clean Energy promotes responsible energy choices that create global warming solutions and ensure clean, safe, and healthy communities throughout the Southeast. Learn more at http://www.cleanenergy.org. On 1/17/08 10:46 AM, "j killeen" wrote: > Greetings, folks. > There was a spate of messages regarding biodiesel > gelling and fuel lines a couple or three months ago > when the cold weather began. I wonder if anyone who > has those in their email account could forward them > to me? I'd be greatly appreciative. > Hope all are well and happy, > John > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From vince at fallbrookbiofuels.com Sat Jan 19 11:22:55 2008 From: vince at fallbrookbiofuels.com (Vince) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:22:55 -0800 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Shuttle Service from Comfort Suites? Message-ID: <000001c85ab7$8c913260$6c64a8c0@onef5245d42707> Does anyone know if there will be shuttle service provided during both the SBS and the NBBC from the Comfort Suites? I called this morning and the front desk was not sure. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am looking for someone local to Richmond that is interested in showing their process to a group of five students. We would like to pick your brain on various topics including best design, materials, supplies etc. If you are interested please contact me. Thanks, Shannon Black blacksm at vcu.edu 804-814-2077 --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080122/2f5e55d6/attachment.htm From emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org Tue Jan 22 21:59:44 2008 From: emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org (emily at sustainable-biodiesel.org) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:59:44 -0500 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Shuttle Service from Comfort Suites? In-Reply-To: <000001c85ab7$8c913260$6c64a8c0@onef5245d42707> References: <000001c85ab7$8c913260$6c64a8c0@onef5245d42707> Message-ID: <00d301c85d6c$03414740$2e01a8c0@Michael> We are working on providing transportation between the Comfort Suites and the Gaylord Palms and will update the list serve when we have more information. Thanks, Emily Landsburg 2008 SBS Organizing Committee _____ From: sustainable-biodiesel-bounces at lists.emji.net [mailto:sustainable-biodiesel-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Vince Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:23 AM To: sustainable-biodiesel at lists.emji.net Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Shuttle Service from Comfort Suites? Does anyone know if there will be shuttle service provided during both the SBS and the NBBC from the Comfort Suites? I called this morning and the front desk was not sure. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080125/55e5044d/attachment.htm From ehoffner at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 17:03:22 2008 From: ehoffner at yahoo.com (Erik Hoffner) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:03:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Tallow Tree Message-ID: <725291.84750.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Anyone heard of plans to grow chinese tallow tree in the US for sustainable biodiesel production? I hadn't, but details are attached. It's very invasive, so the idea in the attached pdf is to genetically modify it with the terminator gene, which is, well, disappointing. Guess I'd rather do without such a beast if that's the deal. Erik Hoffner Northeast Biodiesel Greenfield, MA -- "Follow the example of the best, those who give up everything to build a better world." - Salvador Allende -- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tallow.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 140234 bytes Desc: 483698444-tallow.pdf Url : http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080125/fc35b661/attachment-0001.pdf From abrendel at earthlink.net Sun Jan 27 05:05:55 2008 From: abrendel at earthlink.net (Alex Brendel) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:05:55 -0800 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Tallow Tree In-Reply-To: <725291.84750.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <725291.84750.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I have heard about Chinese Tallow as a potential fuel crop. However, I don't know of any large-scale plans to farm tallow for fuel. I happen to have two of them in my front yard - as ornamentals! The leaves turn a pretty red , yellow and orange in the fall. Frankly, I have my doubts about the practicality of this tree for viable fuel source. I don't believe the production claims I've seen. Being a biodiesel guy for quite a while now, I collected a jarful of the seeds. I was able to collect only about a half-gallon of seeds produced by the two mature (8-year old, 20 foot tall, 6" dia trunk) trees in my yard. They seeds are about the size of a small, dried pea. They did taste good though! Very crunchy. Likely the climate is not ideal for the tree here in the SF Bay Area of California. And perhaps the particular trees I have are not good seed producers. Eric, the Chinese Tallow doesn't normally grow in your area - take a look at Wikipedia's entry on Chinese Tallow for a map - mostly southern US and California. Is there anybody interested in growing Chinese tallow trees? (and have a good place to raise them?) I have started a number of seedlings, but don't have any land to raise more trees. I would like to see the "fuel from tallow experiment" continue. Lastly, I'll tell you that I'm betting much more of my time and effort on algae as a fuel source. --Alex AlgaeFuel.org On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Erik Hoffner wrote: > Anyone heard of plans to grow chinese tallow tree in > the US for sustainable biodiesel production? I hadn't, > but details are attached. > > It's very invasive, so the idea in the attached pdf is > to genetically modify it with the terminator gene, > which is, well, disappointing. Guess I'd rather do > without such a beast if that's the deal. > > Erik Hoffner > Northeast Biodiesel > Greenfield, MA > > -- > From kimber at sustainable-biodiesel.org Wed Jan 30 16:30:43 2008 From: kimber at sustainable-biodiesel.org (Kimber Holmes) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:30:43 -0800 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] SBS Courtesy Shuttle Message-ID: <005201c86387$5eb84ad0$0200a8c0@YOURCB03FA00D3> Sustainable Biodiesel Summit Attendees- A courtesy shuttle will be available for attendees staying at the Comfort Suites Main Gate East. The shuttle will transport attendees between the Comfort Suites & the Gaylord Palms. Shuttle Schedule: Saturday, February 2, 2008 12:00PM 1st Shuttle leaves Comfort Suites 12:30PM Last Shuttle leaves Comfort Suites 6:30PM 1st Shuttle leaves Gaylord 7:00PM Last Shuttle leaves Gaylord Sunday, February 3, 2008 8:00AM 1st Shuttle leaves Comfort Suites 8:30AM Last shuttle leaves Comfort Suites 5:30PM 1st Shuttle leaves Gaylord 6:00PM Last Shuttle leaves Gaylord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080130/722beff3/attachment-0001.htm From kimber at sustainable-biodiesel.org Wed Jan 30 18:23:29 2008 From: kimber at sustainable-biodiesel.org (Kimber Holmes) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:23:29 -0800 Subject: [Sustainable-biodiesel] Sustainable Biodiesel Summit 2008 - Know Before You Go, So You Stay in the Flow Message-ID: <006c01c86397$201ea570$0200a8c0@YOURCB03FA00D3> Sustainable Biodiesel Summit 2008 February 2 - 3, 2008 We are pleased you have chosen to attend the Sustainable Biodiesel Summit 2008. In this email you will find important information pertaining to your travel and preparation for the Summit. GENERAL INFORMATION: Summit Facility - Gaylord Palms Resort & Conference Center http://www.gaylordhotels.com/gaylordpalms/ Weather - http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?site=mlb &smap=1&textField1=28.29167&textField2=-81.40778 Dress Code- Business Casual Orlando Area Highlights- See www.orlando.citysearch.com and www.orlandoinfo.com. You will be able to obtain information which pertains to the specific interests of your group. Organic Foods Stores & Restaurants: http://www.chamberlins.com/Locations/locations.html http://dandelioncommunitea.com/ http://www.vegetarianusa.com/city/Orlando.html Registration - Sun Ballroom "B" Saturday, February 2nd from 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm Sunday, February 3rd from 9:00 am - 1:00 pm Name Badge- Please wear your name badge & SBS buttons at all times at the Summit Facility HOTELS Comfort Suites Main Gate East 2775 Florida Plaza Drive, Kissimmee, Florida Telephone: (407) 397-7848 http://www.comfortsuitesfl.com/ Driving Directions from the Airport to the Comfort Suites: http://www.google.com/maps?q=618+N+THORNTON+AVE+ORLANDO+FL &spn=0.019339,0.035306&hl=en Greater Orlando Shuttle provides shuttle service to and from the Orlando International Airport. Greater Orlando Shuttle Phone: Toll Free 866-582-8687 Hotels in the vicinity of Comfort Suites &Gaylord Palms Resort & Convention Center: Radisson Celebration Hotel 800-784-1180 Ritz Carlton Grande Lakes 407-206-2400 JW Marriott Grande Lakes 800-228-9290 Marriott World Center 800-564-3181 Caribe Royale Resort 800-238-8300 Buena Vista Suites 407-239-8588 Days Inn Main Gate East 800-327-9126 Holiday Inn & Suites 877-387-5437 Ground options to get around town: I-Ride Trolleys are the fun way to get around International Drive. Symbolizing its role as a true destination, the International Drive Resort Area offers its guests a certain amenity with all the bells and whistles: the exclusive, convenient, and economical I-RIDE Trolley Service. Single fare is just .75. Kids under age 12 ride free! Just hop on board an I-RIDE Trolley , hours 8 a.m. - 10:30 p.m. daily. Those who rent a car while in Orlando will find excellent signage that makes it easy to navigate throughout the area as well as friendly rental agents who will provide detailed maps that will guide you to your destination. Major highway networks provide easy access for visitors to reach their destination and for traveling in and around the Greater Orlando area. Major highways include Interstate 4, the Florida Turnpike, Highway 528 (Bee Line Expressway), Highway 408 (East-WestExpressway) and Highway 417 (Central Florida Greeneway). Besides taxi and limousine service to anywhere in the Greater Orlando area, the city's Lynx bus system provides economical public transportation around Orlando. Bus stops are marked with a 'paw' print of a Lynx cat. The downtown Orlando Lymmo bus system provides free transit reaching from the T.D. Waterhouse Centre to City Hall. The 11 Lymmo stations are designated by kiosks and the eight Lymmo stops are indicated by a small sign. Returning to the horse-and- buggy days, carriage rides are also available through local vendors in downtown Orlando. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.emji.net/pipermail/sustainable-biodiesel/attachments/20080130/28368486/attachment-0001.htm