From kaj_511 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 9 14:37:10 2010 From: kaj_511 at earthlink.net (Kimberly Swanson) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:37:10 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Tax Credit is bad economics In-Reply-To: <4BF15F47.7070201@theforestfoundation.org> References: <4BF15F47.7070201@theforestfoundation.org> Message-ID: <436D109C303E482CA7D16F8ED0A27DD9@Latitude> http://biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2010/06/09/get-off-the-dope-supporting-bio fuels-prices-without-taxes-or-subsidies-a-biofuels-digest-special-report/ Kim -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of The Forest Foundation Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:23 AM To: jjobe at biodiesel.org; BIG; members Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Tax Credit is bad economics Hi Jeff: I am a firm supporter of your NBBs. work. However, the tax credit (or subsidy) is bad economics, artificially lowering the price of biodiesel, when in fact we need to raise energy prices to promote efficiency, research, investment and switching to alternative fuels and transportation systems. Your plea appears as another self-interested effort by mostly big business and corporate America to get a deal from the tax payers and government. If you want to really broaden your campaign, you should also be promoting in your campaign: 1) removal of tax credits and subsidies to the petroleum and fossil fuel industry; 2) a carbon tax and rebate; 3) and comprehensive energy reform along the millions of others, joining this larger coalition. If the playing field isn't leveled in a long-term effective manner, we will be "tacking when we need to be running with the wind." Times up for bandaids. We need to fight like hell for our very survival, as the planet is going down hard and fast. Show some hut spa! Marc Dreyfors(MEM '90) Manager, Carolina Biodiesel, LLC Manager, Greenway Transit, LLC Manager, Forests of the World, LLC President, The Forest Foundation, Inc.-- a 501(c)(3) promoting Sustainable Livelihoods 1410 Cross St. Durham, NC 27701 (919)957-1500,1505 fax: (919)957-1502 marc at theforestfoundation.org www.theforestfoundation.org _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From rudy.bedd at gmail.com Wed Jun 9 16:56:11 2010 From: rudy.bedd at gmail.com (rudy beddingfield) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:56:11 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Tax Credit is bad economics In-Reply-To: <4BF15F47.7070201@theforestfoundation.org> References: <4BF15F47.7070201@theforestfoundation.org> Message-ID: hear hear!! On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, The Forest Foundation wrote: > Hi Jeff: > > I am a firm supporter of your NBBs. work. ?However, the tax credit (or > subsidy) is bad economics, artificially lowering the price of biodiesel, > when in fact we need to raise energy prices to promote efficiency, > research, investment and switching to alternative fuels and > transportation systems. ?Your plea appears as another self-interested > effort by mostly big business and corporate America to get a deal from > the tax payers and government. > > If you want to really broaden your campaign, you should also be > promoting in your campaign: > > 1) removal of tax credits and subsidies to the petroleum and fossil fuel > industry; > 2) a carbon tax and rebate; > 3) and comprehensive energy reform along the millions of others, joining > this larger coalition. > > If the playing field isn't leveled in a long-term effective manner, we > will be "tacking when we need to be running with the wind." ?Times up > for bandaids. ?We need to fight like hell for our very survival, as the > planet is going down hard and fast. ?Show some hut spa! > > > Marc Dreyfors(MEM '90) > Manager, > Carolina Biodiesel, LLC > Manager, > Greenway Transit, LLC > Manager, > Forests of the World, LLC > President, > The Forest Foundation, Inc.-- a 501(c)(3) promoting Sustainable Livelihoods > 1410 Cross St. > Durham, NC 27701 > (919)957-1500,1505 > fax: (919)957-1502 > marc at theforestfoundation.org > www.theforestfoundation.org > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From marc at theforestfoundation.org Thu Jun 10 13:28:50 2010 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (The Forest Foundation) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:28:50 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Tax Credit is bad economics In-Reply-To: <436D109C303E482CA7D16F8ED0A27DD9@Latitude> References: <4BF15F47.7070201@theforestfoundation.org> <436D109C303E482CA7D16F8ED0A27DD9@Latitude> Message-ID: <4C1120D2.20509@theforestfoundation.org> One of the biggest factors in the challenge biofuels producers have is the fact that everything is tied to fossil fuel volatility. It is likely to become more volatile as markets become constrained by peak oil and increased demand. All the feedstocks are tied to petroleum prices and certainly the end price and what people are willing to pay. This article fails to define market externalities and why the carbon tax and rebate system is so simple and efficient. Lines like: "Being overlooked are schemes that do not impose new taxes on industry or the individual taxpayer, or create inflationary pressure on the economy." Beg the question of whether or not people understand market externalities, and that in fact we are deflating when we externalize costs, and racking up a bill that is nothing less than the survival of the human species when it comes due. Kimberly Swanson wrote: > http://biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2010/06/09/get-off-the-dope-supporting-bio > fuels-prices-without-taxes-or-subsidies-a-biofuels-digest-special-report/ > > > Kim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of The > Forest Foundation > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:23 AM > To: jjobe at biodiesel.org; BIG; members > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Tax Credit is bad economics > > Hi Jeff: > > I am a firm supporter of your NBBs. work. However, the tax credit (or > subsidy) is bad economics, artificially lowering the price of biodiesel, > when in fact we need to raise energy prices to promote efficiency, > research, investment and switching to alternative fuels and > transportation systems. Your plea appears as another self-interested > effort by mostly big business and corporate America to get a deal from > the tax payers and government. > > If you want to really broaden your campaign, you should also be > promoting in your campaign: > > 1) removal of tax credits and subsidies to the petroleum and fossil fuel > industry; > 2) a carbon tax and rebate; > 3) and comprehensive energy reform along the millions of others, joining > this larger coalition. > > If the playing field isn't leveled in a long-term effective manner, we > will be "tacking when we need to be running with the wind." Times up > for bandaids. We need to fight like hell for our very survival, as the > planet is going down hard and fast. Show some hut spa! > > > Marc Dreyfors(MEM '90) > Manager, > Carolina Biodiesel, LLC > Manager, > Greenway Transit, LLC > Manager, > Forests of the World, LLC > President, > The Forest Foundation, Inc.-- a 501(c)(3) promoting Sustainable Livelihoods > 1410 Cross St. > Durham, NC 27701 > (919)957-1500,1505 > fax: (919)957-1502 > marc at theforestfoundation.org > www.theforestfoundation.org > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From ssafransky at nc.rr.com Thu Jun 10 13:34:03 2010 From: ssafransky at nc.rr.com (norma safransky) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:34:03 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Tax Credit is bad economics References: <4BF15F47.7070201@theforestfoundation.org><436D109C303E482CA7D16F8ED0A27DD9@Latitude> <4C1120D2.20509@theforestfoundation.org> Message-ID: <7184119500AC474084A71FC449B52B07@nslaptop1> please remove me from the mailing list. norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Forest Foundation" To: "Kimberly Swanson" Cc: "'BIG'" ; "'members'" ; Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Tax Credit is bad economics > One of the biggest factors in the challenge biofuels producers have is > the fact that everything is tied to fossil fuel volatility. It is > likely to become more volatile as markets become constrained by peak oil > and increased demand. All the feedstocks are tied to petroleum prices > and certainly the end price and what people are willing to pay. This > article fails to define market externalities and why the carbon tax and > rebate system is so simple and efficient. Lines like: > > "Being overlooked are schemes that do not impose new taxes on industry > or the individual taxpayer, or create inflationary pressure on the > economy." > > Beg the question of whether or not people understand market > externalities, and that in fact we are deflating when we externalize > costs, and racking up a bill that is nothing less than the survival of > the human species when it comes due. > > Kimberly Swanson wrote: >> http://biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2010/06/09/get-off-the-dope-supporting-bio >> fuels-prices-without-taxes-or-subsidies-a-biofuels-digest-special-report/ >> >> >> Kim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net >> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of The >> Forest Foundation >> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:23 AM >> To: jjobe at biodiesel.org; BIG; members >> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Tax Credit is bad economics >> >> Hi Jeff: >> >> I am a firm supporter of your NBBs. work. However, the tax credit (or >> subsidy) is bad economics, artificially lowering the price of biodiesel, >> when in fact we need to raise energy prices to promote efficiency, >> research, investment and switching to alternative fuels and >> transportation systems. Your plea appears as another self-interested >> effort by mostly big business and corporate America to get a deal from >> the tax payers and government. >> >> If you want to really broaden your campaign, you should also be >> promoting in your campaign: >> >> 1) removal of tax credits and subsidies to the petroleum and fossil fuel >> industry; >> 2) a carbon tax and rebate; >> 3) and comprehensive energy reform along the millions of others, joining >> this larger coalition. >> >> If the playing field isn't leveled in a long-term effective manner, we >> will be "tacking when we need to be running with the wind." Times up >> for bandaids. We need to fight like hell for our very survival, as the >> planet is going down hard and fast. Show some hut spa! >> >> >> Marc Dreyfors(MEM '90) >> Manager, >> Carolina Biodiesel, LLC >> Manager, >> Greenway Transit, LLC >> Manager, >> Forests of the World, LLC >> President, >> The Forest Foundation, Inc.-- a 501(c)(3) promoting Sustainable >> Livelihoods >> 1410 Cross St. >> Durham, NC 27701 >> (919)957-1500,1505 >> fax: (919)957-1502 >> marc at theforestfoundation.org >> www.theforestfoundation.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From symonjim at gmail.com Tue Jun 15 14:04:23 2010 From: symonjim at gmail.com (Jim Symon) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI intake gunk Message-ID: Automotion in Carrboro recently discovered in both our TDIs (and others) serious deposits of hard, black gunk in the intake manifold. It was impeding flow to the extent that our Beetle lost almost all power. The Jetta they estimate at 70% - 80% restriction. They feel it is caused by the combination of EGR, crankcase, and biodiesel. I'd be interested to hear whether anyone knows of this happening in non-biofueled TDIs. You might want to check it out if you have been feeling that the pep just isn't what it used to be. Symon From cameron at renngruppe.com Tue Jun 15 14:32:47 2010 From: cameron at renngruppe.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:32:47 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI intake gunk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think it has anything to do with the fuel. Alot of the TDI's around are getting that because of the EGR. Do a few searches over at www.tdiclub.com on their forums and you'll come up with more instances of that than you know what to do with. Cameron Conover RennGruppe Motorsports 914-984-0911 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Jim Symon wrote: > > Automotion in Carrboro recently discovered in both our TDIs (and > others) serious deposits of hard, black gunk in the intake manifold. > It was impeding flow to the extent that our Beetle lost almost all > power. The Jetta they estimate at 70% - 80% restriction. They feel it > is caused by the combination of EGR, crankcase, and biodiesel. I'd be > interested to hear whether anyone knows of this happening in > non-biofueled TDIs. > > You might want to check it out if you have been feeling that the pep > just isn't what it used to be. > > Symon > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From symonjim at gmail.com Tue Jun 15 15:12:22 2010 From: symonjim at gmail.com (Jim Symon) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI intake gunk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wonderful! Now I have some ammunition in the blame-biodiesel discussion. I forwarded these to them.Thanks. http://www.tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-7.html#g http://www.tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-7.html#h Jim On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Cameron Conover wrote: > I don't think it has anything to do with the fuel. ?Alot of the TDI's > around are getting that because of the EGR. ?Do a few searches over at > www.tdiclub.com on their forums and you'll come up with more instances > of that than you know what to do with. > > Cameron Conover > RennGruppe Motorsports > 914-984-0911 > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Jim Symon wrote: >> >> Automotion in Carrboro recently discovered in both our TDIs (and >> others) serious deposits of hard, black gunk in the intake manifold. >> It was impeding flow to the extent that our Beetle lost almost all >> power. The Jetta they estimate at 70% - 80% restriction. They feel it >> is caused by the combination of EGR, crankcase, and biodiesel. I'd be >> interested to hear whether anyone knows of this happening in >> non-biofueled TDIs. >> >> You might want to check it out if you have been feeling that the pep >> just isn't what it used to be. >> >> Symon >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From symonjim at gmail.com Fri Jun 18 17:37:29 2010 From: symonjim at gmail.com (Jim Symon) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:37:29 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI intake gunk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As others have told me this is a common problem with the tdi and not related to biodiesel. (see www.tdiclub.com for description and suggested solution.) You might want your mechanic to look for it because it not only robs you of power but there is a related problem that sometimes the gunk falls into the cylinder and ruins the engine. Cleaning must take the manifold all the way to spotless because the gunk may get loosened and increase the risk of a $5000 replacement. A refurbished intake manifold runs about $260. That might be the quickest, maybe even cheapest way to deal with it. Apparently there are many sites with many different, sometimes wild explanations of how to clean the manifold. It can be very difficult. A machine shop tried to soak mine off with little success. We have also tried unsuccessfully with some sort of borescope to reach every nook and cranny. Offered just in case you didn't have enough to worry about. Symon On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jim Symon wrote: > Automotion in Carrboro recently discovered in both our TDIs (and others) > serious deposits of hard, black gunk in the intake manifold. It was impeding > flow to the extent that our Beetle lost almost all power. The Jetta they > estimate at 70% - 80% restriction. They feel it is caused by the combination > of EGR, crankcase, and biodiesel. I'd be interested to hear whether anyone > knows of this happening in non-biofueled TDIs. > > You might want to check it out if you have been feeling that the pep just > isn't what it used to be. > > Symon > > From ssafransky at nc.rr.com Fri Jun 18 18:14:27 2010 From: ssafransky at nc.rr.com (norma safransky) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:14:27 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI intake gunk References:

Message-ID: please remove me from the list. thanks. norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Symon" To: Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI intake gunk > As others have told me this is a common problem with the tdi and not > related to biodiesel. (see www.tdiclub.com for description and > suggested solution.) You might want your mechanic to look for it > because it not only robs you of power but there is a related problem > that sometimes the gunk falls into the cylinder and ruins the engine. > Cleaning must take the manifold all the way to spotless because the > gunk may get loosened and increase the risk of a $5000 replacement. A > refurbished intake manifold runs about $260. That might be the > quickest, maybe even cheapest way to deal with it. > > Apparently there are many sites with many different, sometimes wild > explanations of how to clean the manifold. It can be very difficult. A > machine shop tried to soak mine off with little success. We have also > tried unsuccessfully with some sort of borescope to reach every nook > and cranny. > > Offered just in case you didn't have enough to worry about. > > Symon > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jim Symon wrote: >> Automotion in Carrboro recently discovered in both our TDIs (and others) >> serious deposits of hard, black gunk in the intake manifold. It was >> impeding >> flow to the extent that our Beetle lost almost all power. The Jetta they >> estimate at 70% - 80% restriction. They feel it is caused by the >> combination >> of EGR, crankcase, and biodiesel. I'd be interested to hear whether >> anyone >> knows of this happening in non-biofueled TDIs. >> >> You might want to check it out if you have been feeling that the pep just >> isn't what it used to be. >> >> Symon >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From crg at mindspring.com Sun Jun 20 12:20:12 2010 From: crg at mindspring.com (Clare M Reece-Glore) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:20:12 -0400 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] please unsubscribe me Message-ID: <4C1E3FBC.3010201@mindspring.com> thanks--- -- Clare Reece-Glore CJ Associates 2503 Green Street Durham, NC 27705 crg at mindspring.com Voice: 919-682-3401 Fax: 919-321-1623 www.clarejohn.com ?A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner." ----Unknown