From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com Thu Nov 6 06:59:10 2008 From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl Mark) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:59:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Crash Course- Wilmington, NC Dec 6-7 Message-ID: <644bb8c51645ad57adcc8363b6349ca6.squirrel@www.webmail.localb100.com> Biodiesel Production Crash Course: Beyond the Minibatch hands-on class (new format!) with Maria 'girl Mark' Alovert December 6-7, 2008 Wilmington, NC sponsored by Cape Fear Biofuels Co-operative $140 /$108 early registration before Nov 7th For more information and to register, please see www.girlmark.com/tour This is a fast-paced class designed to quickly teach the skills needed for safely making high quality biodiesel, using a unique and truly hands-on format. After learning basic theory, practicing titration, making mini-batches, and learning quality testing, students will spend a full day solidifying what they learned by making biodiesel in realistic "Processor Stations', practicing every step used in a full-size home biodiesel production system. Student teams will operate realistic, tabletop 5-gallon processor systems- a miniature version of the common Appleseed Processor/wash tank/dry tank found around the world- and the tabletop reactor will familiarize them with every valve, tank, pump, switch, and interconnect that would be found in a full-size system. The goal of the class format is to take the hands-on learning experience a big step beyond the '1-liter mini-batch' equipment used in most biodiesel classes. There will also be a full-size reactor system on a trailer at the class, including GL-1 and pot still-type methanol recovery systems. Background: In most biodiesel workshops (including my own Biodiesel Essentials), "hands-on time" usually means a few hours of lab work involving titration and shaking 1-liter soda bottle batches, or, at best, a demonstration by the instructor of some pre-arranged steps in a full-size reactor, performed once, with the students just watching. Neither of these is an ideal learning method for the complexity involved in using a 'real' biodiesel reactor on your own for the first time at home. People who are hands-on learners sometimes need more time on "realistic" equipment operation in addition to the 1-liter shaken soda bottle batch method. Operating your own processors in class would be more realistic than 1-liter glassware batches- but is very difficult to arrange as a class for 20 people. Operating a full system can also make it easier to understand equipment choices that face you as you design your own home system after the class, or help decide on one to purchase. Format: In the crash course, you will first learn the basic theory using a standard one-day mini-batch class, then spend the next day actually operating (with a team of 5-8) your own 'realistic' 5-gallon mini-reactor and processing system. You and your team will make decisions and mistakes, with constant personalized guidance to ensure that you understand why every step is done as well as when. Teams may choose from several variations on the basic process, and we will focus on quality control and equipment/process decisions needed to make high quality biodiesel, safe processing methods, and efficient system design. Equipment Building: We can also build some processors at the end of the first day, for those students who wish to purchase a parts kit and water heater tank in advance. This is not mandatory and everyone can help build the systems. We will not use these large reactors in the hands-on class, so they can be transported home without mess. Please purchase your parts kit from the instructor or from www.utahbiodieselsupply.com. Because we are trying to fit a lot into the weekend, we don't have time to assemble your own 'store-bought' parts, and can only work from the kit. The kit sold by the instructor is similar to that formerly sold by www.b100supply.com and if they get them in stock again, please feel free to purchase theirs. If you are building a system, you will also need to bring a new or used electric water heater of any size. Preparation and reading: Because this is a fast-paced class, it is highly recommended that you purchase an inexpensive test batch kit from www.utahbiodieselsupply.com and try to make and wash a test batch, using storebought, new oil not requiring titration, before the class. This is not mandatory but the preparation will enhance your class experience. To make the class run smoothly, please read the www.biodieselcommunity.org website before the class, so that you have some idea of the basic process. Copies of Biodiesel Homebrew Guide will also be available for sale fpr $15 at the class: www.localb100.com/book.html , and there will be a short handout with some basic formulas for later reference. About the instructor: Maria 'girl Mark' Alovert is a biodiesel production technology consultant based in North Carolina. She is the author of The Biodiesel Homebrew Guide, a manual on biodiesel production (http://localb100.com), the founder of the community-written biodiesel homebrewing tutorial site http://biodieselcommunity.org and is the inventor of the Appleseed Processor, an 'open source' design now used by thousands of people around the world to produce biodiesel on a 'homebrew' scale. She has been involved in home-scale biodiesel technology development since 2000. She frequently teaches beginning and advanced biodiesel production classes around the country and is a an active participant in biodiesel production discussion forums such as http://biodiesel.infopop.cc From rudolfdiesel at netzero.net Thu Nov 6 20:08:51 2008 From: rudolfdiesel at netzero.net (rudolfdiesel at netzero.net) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:08:51 GMT Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] an Invitation and report Message-ID: <20081106.200851.6799.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Hello everyone! Two items for your consideration: 1) Wake Tech's newly revised, updated and expanded BioDiesel/Diesel Technology workshop will be presented this Nov. 18 & 19. That is a Tuesday & Wednesday, from 8:30 AM to 4:30PM. Cost is $60.00. Please let me know if you would like to attend or visit www.waketech.edu ---Continuing Education/automotive 2) As a function of our efforts to keep this workshop updated, I have just returned from the Inaugural Session of SAE's "Light Duty Diesel Emissions Conference" which was held this week in Ann Arbor, Mi. This conference was a perfect follow up to the "Diesel Engine Technology Academy" as it filled in most of the remaining "holes" in my understanding of the formation of Diesel Emissions, their control, and the regulatory drivers. This information will be incorporated into the November Workshop! This conference was attended by about 60 engineers from the manufacturers, the suppliers, the petroleum companies and a handful of researchers from National Labs and Academia. I would like to share with all of you a few of the critical items I took away from this symposia. (These opinions are my own-not necessarily those of anyone else at Wake Tech!) The automobile industry, especially our three domestic manufacturers, are in deep, deep trouble. Under certain conditions, GM could face having to shutdown by February. Next time you drive down a busy commercial road, look around and consider how many businesses, how many jobs, how much economic activity, is driven by the automobile. Right or wrong, our economy is largely based on personal transportation and motor freight. Think about it! What can we do? Emission regulations will continue to tighten (read: vehicle prices will continue to increase) and the likely addition of mandated restrictions on Carbon emissions will add to these. Expect a further round of mandated reductions of NOx and HC's by 2014. Remember that the goals of low emissions and low CO2 oppose each other. We have to use fuel and reduce engine efficiencies to provide a clean tailpipe. Do not expect any lessening of emissions standards in the interest of fuel economy. Nobody sees that happening. The answers to CO2 reduction reside with the development of renewables (including electricity for plug-ins and EVs) and biofuels, along with downsizing of engines and vehicles. I believe that even in the face of low fuel prices, Carbon legislation (likely next year) will continue to provide the driver for the development of transportation renewables. I attend my share of workshops, and closely follow the research. I am happy to report that for the first time I am now seeing BioDiesel being taken seriously by the Industry. Much of the testing that is being conducted by manufacturers, suppliers and Petroleum Companies now includes various Biodiesel blends. By the way, this interest appears to be driven by the reality of the Renewable Fuels Mandate, not fuel prices or public interest. I am convinced that, as we develop significant gallonage of BioDiesel, the automobile industry is going to insist that feedstocks be converted to fuel by hydro-treating, not trans-esterification. Because of the energy intensity and complexity of the hydro-treatment process, it will be incorporated into the refinery process as it is today. This means the oil companies will have a lock on production. I believe that FAME fuel producers will be excluded from the mainstream market and may only be able to provide fuel for niche markets (older vehicles, HHO?). It is likely that FAME fuels will be discouraged or even not allowed into future Diesel vehicles. Finally, as i have often said before, the Diesel itself is in a fight for it's economic life. Cleaning up the Diesel requires reducing its fuel economy and increasing its cost and complexity. As an example, the new (2009) Jetta TDI is going to achieve a fuel mileage figure in the mid thirties, not the high forties, even 50, that older TDI's are loved for. On the other hand, the introduction of gasoline direct injection is providing very low emissions with improved efficiency and at a lower cost than Diesel. this makes new Gasoline Direct Injection technology strongly competitive on a fuel economy and cost basis with Diesel. What could save the Diesel? Renewable Diesel fuel. Sure the gas cars can burn Ethanol, but the energy equation for that fuel is, at best, close to 1 to 1. No reasonable person argues the very positive energy equation of Bio based Diesel. I hope that each of you will consider these thoughts carefully! Thanks for reading. Hope to see you on the 18th! Rich Cregar rudolfdiesel at netzero.net recregar at waketech.edu _____________________________________________________________ Click to receive credit card help and get out of debt fast. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4txbo4T15w489eaPHWNGCYH7f9y6OjdogLR0ERgqjFadMBkG/?count=1234567890 From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com Thu Nov 6 21:26:12 2008 From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl Mark) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:26:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Hybrid Appleseed-GL1 reactor system for sale, Raleigh NC are Message-ID: <3627966e34983817712fea7fc6cccf77.squirrel@www.webmail.localb100.com> Processor for sale: Raleigh, NC delivery may be available for additional fee 50 gallon hybrid Appleseed-GL1 system for sale 50 gallon used water heater with new pump and plumbing similar to an Appleseed reactor with optional GL-1 venturi copper tube-in-shell Plumbers' Delight condensor for methanol recovery venturi, receiving container, and accessory piping for GL-1 methanol recovery from biodiesel 55-drum-based wash tank/settling tank/drying tank with thermostatically controlled heater, sampling ports, and multiple height outlet water washing and final filtration equipment Copy of Biodiesel Homebrew Guide (http://localb100.com/book.html) For more information about Appleseed processors, please see http://.biodieselcommunity.org/appleseed For more information about the Graham Laming GL-1 processor and methanol recovery method, please see http://graham-laming.com $1400 contact classregistration at girlmark.com for details From john.bonitz at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 09:39:15 2008 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:39:15 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Has anyone dealt with Greg Garrison, SSI Energy? Message-ID: <84a57a420811170639o3e7f69ecvc8b2ee60a3463b48@mail.gmail.com> Friends, Has anyone dealt with Greg Garrison of SSI Energy? Apparently he sells biodiesel reactors. I recently received the following email about this company, and I'd like to hear reports from the field. "I have recently had some bad dealings with a Greg Garrison and his company SSI energy, he makes a biodiesel processor that is overpriced and will not operate in its current configuration. He has also taken advantage of a local school which led to a great disappointment to the students involved in the project. I was able to modify the equipment and teach them the process this week. But people need to be warned about this guy, he is listed as a sponsor of the GreenMotion trek. Please help me spread the word about this to an industry that we share a passion for." Thanks, John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From tavanas at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 13:01:41 2008 From: tavanas at gmail.com (T Aavanas) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:01:41 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] selling my '91 300D Message-ID: <878AE73F-7B13-4600-B346-5058D542D656@gmail.com> listers, before i post the car to craigslist i wanted to give the folks on this list the first dibs. here are some details: '91 300D with a 2.5 liter turbo engine, 210k miles I bought it in may '06 from the original owner in chapel hill with 160k miles it runs beautifully and averages 34 MPG it has been running on B100 for about 40k miles, i have installed a greasecar system but can't seem to readily find WVO, so it has been tested with b100. I have the service records from A Better Wrench, here are some of the major repairs: - at 202k miles replaced front end components, including front struts and rear shocks - at 171k miles replaced transmission and #5 pre-combustion chamber and glow plug (D & E in raleigh) - at 132k miles replaced glow plugs - at 128k miles replaced cylinder head, head gasket and alternator - at 103k miles replaced vacuum pump - at 98k miles replaced timing chain and tensioner - at 59k miles replaced injector pump and engine mounts asking $4300 thanks saeed From john.bonitz at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 09:09:58 2008 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:09:58 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Off-Topic: Georgia and the Nation -- two critical races still undecided Message-ID: <84a57a420811190609v4d2478fen651b9d115c39bd80@mail.gmail.com> Dear Friends, Sad news: The campaign for change is not over. If you believe that clean energy technologies can help lift us out of our recession, there is still work to be done! The problem is that Southeastern electric utilities are exceptionally powerful, and working harder than ever to build new coal-fired power plants and nuclear plants. Time and again, Southern Senators have cast the deciding votes against the National Renewable Electricity Standard (RES). Repeatedly, Southern public utilities commissioners have voted for the big corporations instead of for the people and the planet. We can change this: Georgia voters will head back to the polls on December 2, in a race that could help inch the Democrats closer to a supermajority in the Senate. Dinosaur and climate-change denier Sen Saxby Chambliss (R) was nearly defeated by Jim Martin (Democratic challenger). But the race was so close that GA law requires a runoff. http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1856972,00.html This race is resulting in astounding campaign donations. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122705548880839415.html?mod=googlenews_wsj On Dec 2, Georgia voters will also decide a critical race for the state Utilities Commission. Democratic candidate Jim Powell is clearly the best candidate for rate-payers and renewable energy, whereas opponent Lauren McDonald (Republican) will only be a friend to the utilities. Turnout is going to be the critical deciding factor in these two races that will largely determine the future of renewable energy in Georgia (and perhaps the nation): http://www.ajc.com/services/content/metro/stories/2008/11/18/voting.html Please consider supporting these two races. Martin was endorsed by numerous environmental organizations (LCV, SACE, Sierra). Powell was endorsed by the Atlanta Journal Constitution, among others. http://www.martinforsenate.com/ http://www.jimpowellforgapsc.com/ Here are some suggestions: 1) Travel to Georgia to volunteer in person; 2) Sign up to make phone calls to Georgia voters; 3) Donate to the campaigns of Jim Martin and Jim Powell; and 4) Forward this email to others who may be interested. This race will be over very soon. But we still have just short of two weeks to make a difference. Please take action. Sincerely, John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mapmantx at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 13:30:21 2008 From: mapmantx at yahoo.com (John Hollingsworth) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:30:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD for sale in Chapel Hill, NC Message-ID: <759462.44246.qm@web55303.mail.re4.yahoo.com> 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD for sale in Chapel Hill, NC This sweet little ride only has 35,700 miles on her and loves B100. I drove it off the lot new three years ago. It has been on a steady diet of B75 or B100 since then with the occasional emergency tank of dinoD while on the road. For more information, please view the autotrader link below. If you have any questions please call. 919-332-1869 http://www.autotrader.com/ATCarID/AT-f276ddc John Hollingsworth Chapel Hill, NC From tavanas at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 09:34:12 2008 From: tavanas at gmail.com (T Aavanas) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:34:12 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] selling my '91 300D In-Reply-To: <878AE73F-7B13-4600-B346-5058D542D656@gmail.com> References: <878AE73F-7B13-4600-B346-5058D542D656@gmail.com> Message-ID: here is the link to CL posting with pictures http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/925392688.html On Nov 17, 2008, at 1:01 PM, T Aavanas wrote: > listers, > before i post the car to craigslist i wanted to give the folks on > this list the first dibs. here are some details: > > '91 300D with a 2.5 liter turbo engine, 210k miles > > I bought it in may '06 from the original owner in chapel hill with > 160k miles > > it runs beautifully and averages 34 MPG > it has been running on B100 for about 40k miles, i have installed a > greasecar system but can't seem to readily find WVO, so it has been > tested with b100. > > I have the service records from A Better Wrench, here are some of > the major repairs: > - at 202k miles replaced front end components, including front > struts and rear shocks > - at 171k miles replaced transmission and #5 pre-combustion chamber > and glow plug (D & E in raleigh) > - at 132k miles replaced glow plugs > - at 128k miles replaced cylinder head, head gasket and alternator > - at 103k miles replaced vacuum pump > - at 98k miles replaced timing chain and tensioner > - at 59k miles replaced injector pump and engine mounts > > asking $4300 > > thanks > saeed > > From bonitz at cleanenergy.org Fri Nov 21 13:57:29 2008 From: bonitz at cleanenergy.org (John Bonitz) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:57:29 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NC Green Business Fund grants for biofuels, green building, etc. Message-ID: NC Green Business Fund by Wendy Worley, Recycling Business Development Specialist http://www.p2pays.org/ref/46/45995.pdf In 2009, $950,000 in grant money will be available to North Carolina businesses through the NC Green Business Fund. The NC Green Business Fund awards competitive grants to North Carolina organizations with innovative projects focused on three priority areas, including: + Development and commercialization of the biofuels industry, + Development and commercialization of the green building industry, and + Attraction and leverage of private sector investments and entrepreneurial growth in environmentally conscious clean technology and renewable energy products and businesses. Grants made in the green building industry category will be made to assist in the development of environmentally conscious and energy efficient green building technologies and processes. In 2008-2009, businesses with fewer than 100 employees are eligible to apply for a maximum of $100,000 per company. Fiscal Year 2009 solicitation will be available in mid-December 2008. Workshops on grant writing for this program are being held in November and December across the state. For a list of workshop dates and locations, visit http://www.ncscitech.com/announce.htm For more information about the NC Green Business Fund, including a list of FY2008 awardees, contact R.V. Rikard at rvrikard at nccommerce.com, (919) 716-0110, or visit http://www.ncscitech.com/gbf/index.htm NC Green Business Fund Grant Workshops: December 1st - 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. at Cape Fear Community College North Campus Auditorium in Wilmington. The event is free but requires attendees to register . December 2nd - Asheville-Buncombe Technical Community College - Enka Campus from 9:30 to 4:30 in the Haynes Building. Please contact Abby Gage at agage at abtech.edu or 828-254-1921 ext 5858 to register. December 8th - Vance-Granville Community College in Building 7 Room # 7107 from 6:00 p.m to 9 p.m. Please contact Diane Finch at 252-492-2061 ext 3275 or 3240 to register. December 13th - Western Wake Technical Community College from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. in Room #118. The event is free; but limited to 80 seats. To register for the workshop, please send an email to caroix at waketech.edu. (Map and directions to Western Wake Technical Community College). ~ ~ ~ John Bonitz, Farm Outreach & Policy Advocate Southern Alliance for Clean Energy PO Box 1833, Pittsboro, NC 27312 Phone: 919-545-2920 Mobile: 919-360-2492 Email: bonitz at cleanenergy.org Web: http://www.cleanenergy.org From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 14:23:55 2008 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:23:55 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel vs. home heating oil Message-ID: <492C50CB.8020504@gmail.com> Folks -- As I understand it, aside from the taxes paid on it, whether it is dyed or not, and (at least for the time being) the sulfur content, #2 home heating oil is the same thing as #2 diesel fuel. And I know from experience that in a pinch I can dump 10 gallons of diesel into my home oil tank to keep from running out before the heating oil delivery gets to me. However, I have just found that the gas station near my office is selling B20 diesel for 20 cents/gallon LESS than the current heating oil price. Can anyone think of any reason not to just bring 10 5-gallon gas cans with me the next few times I need to fill up my car and just fill by home oil tank with diesel fuel? Is there some sublte difference between diesel an heating oil that I am not aware of that would make this a bad idea over the long run? -- Mark From tavanas at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 19:24:08 2008 From: tavanas at gmail.com (T Aavanas) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:24:08 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] b100 shelf life Message-ID: <7929D688-AB68-4C43-B112-F16BEB8F2650@gmail.com> listers, diesel prices have dropped below what i paid for B100, i am thinking about storing ~300 gallons i have left for later use. my question is how long can i store this fuel, i bought the fuel from durham nc about 6 months ago. i am do not know what the base stock was. thanks saeed One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. - Plato 427-347 BC From rudolfdiesel at netzero.net Tue Nov 25 21:50:01 2008 From: rudolfdiesel at netzero.net (rudolfdiesel at netzero.net) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:50:01 GMT Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel vs. home heating oil Message-ID: <20081125.215001.8346.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Home Heating Oil (HHO) can and usually will contain up to 3000 ppm of Sulphur. On highway Diesel contains no more than 15 ppm, non road is limited to 500 ppm. Since the sulphur is removed by hydro-treating, which is an additional process in the refining process, it should be more expensive than HHO, taxes aside. HHO is dyed yellow so it can be readily identified. It must not be used in any late model Diesel vehicle. As far as the burner in your oil furnace is concerned, you can burn any of these fuels but HHO should have the highest heating value at the lowest price. No 1 & No 2 numbered fuels have largely left the market place. No 2 is a heavier oil than #1 but most retailers now only carry ULSD which is seasonally blended and contains lubricity enhancers. Some non-highway pumps may be selling a blended 500 PPM fuel. I take it you are paying too much for your HHO? Did your supplier buy too much inventory at too high a price? Rich Cregar _____________________________________________________________________ Get Freebies & Coupons -- Free of Hassle at FreeInternet.com! Visit http://offers.netzero.net/TGL1221/?u=http://www.freeinternet.com From rudolfdiesel at netzero.net Tue Nov 25 21:53:50 2008 From: rudolfdiesel at netzero.net (rudolfdiesel at netzero.net) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:53:50 GMT Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] b100 shelf life Message-ID: <20081125.215350.8346.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Store in an airtight container, out of direct sunlight. Prior to closing the storage vessel, purge the air space at the top with an inert gas, such as CO2, Nitrogen or Argon gas. Removing the oxygen from the air space will inhibit aging of the fuel. I would recommend shelf time not exceed 6 months. Rich Cregar ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6ryAaYotR71iXgrfX7t9tRnt87O0kNNPChf14LmX9qt5vz3Zg2/ From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 23:49:18 2008 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:49:18 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] b100 shelf life In-Reply-To: <20081125.215350.8346.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> References: <20081125.215350.8346.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <492CD54E.7050608@gmail.com> Won't blending with some petrodiesel also help extend the shelf-life some? rudolfdiesel at netzero.net wrote: > Store in an airtight container, out of direct sunlight. Prior to closing the storage vessel, purge the air space at the top with an inert gas, such as CO2, Nitrogen or Argon gas. Removing the oxygen from the air space will inhibit aging of the fuel. I would recommend shelf time not exceed 6 months. > > Rich Cregar > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 00:08:38 2008 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:08:38 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel vs. home heating oil In-Reply-To: <20081125.215001.8346.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> References: <20081125.215001.8346.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <492CD9D6.7070809@gmail.com> I am not sure why my home heating oil is more expensive than diesel, but right now my heating oil supplier was quoting me $2.999/gal delivered. The B20 being sold at Cruizer's in RTP is only $2.799/gal (plus, if I keep the necessary records, I can claim a $0.24/gal Fed. tax credit because I will be using road-taxed fuels for non-highway use). I had been holding off getting the heating oil tank refilled for as long as I could because prices have been going down. I was originally planning to just put 15-20 gal. in my tank to be sure I didn't run dry over the next couple of weeks while I waited to see if prices would drop some more, but when I saw that diesel was cheaper the heating oil, I started to consider just filling my tank with diesel. The only reasons that I can think of for heating oil being more than diesel are (1) delivery is included in the heating oil price, (2) the heating oil market is not as competitive as the motor fuels market, so the heating oil supplier is able to make more of a profit than the pennies per gallon made by the gas station retailer, (or maybe (3) because the recent drop in petroleum prices was rather sudden and unexpected, my heating oil supplier does have a lot of fuel that he bought at a higher price). -- Mark rudolfdiesel at netzero.net wrote: > Home Heating Oil (HHO) can and usually will contain up to 3000 ppm of Sulphur. On highway Diesel contains no more than 15 ppm, non road is limited to 500 ppm. Since the sulphur is removed by hydro-treating, which is an additional process in the refining process, it should be more expensive than HHO, taxes aside. > HHO is dyed yellow so it can be readily identified. It must not be used in any late model Diesel vehicle. > As far as the burner in your oil furnace is concerned, you can burn any of these fuels but HHO should have the highest heating value at the lowest price. > No 1 & No 2 numbered fuels have largely left the market place. No 2 is a heavier oil than #1 but most retailers now only carry ULSD which is seasonally blended and contains lubricity enhancers. Some non-highway pumps may be selling a blended 500 PPM fuel. > I take it you are paying too much for your HHO? Did your supplier buy too much inventory at too high a price? > > Rich Cregar > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > From rudolfdiesel at netzero.net Wed Nov 26 08:35:14 2008 From: rudolfdiesel at netzero.net (rudolfdiesel at netzero.net) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:35:14 GMT Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] b100 shelf life Message-ID: <20081126.083514.20793.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Blending definitely helps. Some studies I have indicate that B-20 is almost a stable as B-0, would last at least 1 year. Rich ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx8VZ61FtM2pO6PtLDdqSIDcbcNjuX1D23msB68pR5i95E6IK/ From tavanas at gmail.com Thu Nov 27 10:45:59 2008 From: tavanas at gmail.com (T Aavanas) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:45:59 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] wag-com please Message-ID: listers, just finished IP repairs to my '99.5 jetta tdi and need to check timing. is there anyone local (rtp nc) with a wag-com willing to run a check? thanks saeed