From wes at xitechusa.com  Sun Apr  1 20:54:45 2007
From: wes at xitechusa.com (Wes Garrison)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:54:45 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel Jetta for $700 in PA
In-Reply-To: <F5393B7A-4FA7-4BC5-AEB9-2F439DA57715@blast.com>
Message-ID: <03c101c774c1$81e50ad0$1301a8c0@mediatower>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volkswagen-Jetta-1985-JETTA-GLI-DIESEL-ultima
te-work-car-40-50mpg_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6021QQitemZ180100319207QQrdZ
1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Cheap, looks decent, only 8 hrs. away.  Ends in 45 min.

Wesley S. Garrison
Network Engineer
Xitech Communications, Inc.
email   wes at xitechusa.com
mobile (919) 260-0803
fax      (509) 278-1952
 

-----Original Message-----
From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Rachel
Burton
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:33 PM
To: BIG Group
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] U.S. imports seen as threat to biofuels

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is looking for a way to tackle imports of  
biofuels from the United States which it believes will undermine the  
commercial case for European production, transport minister Stephen  
Ladyman said.

"People who are being subsidised to produce renewable fuels in the  
United States are now planning to export that fuel to Europe where  
they hope to get a second subsidy when it is sold in Europe," he said.

"That is undermining the commercial case for investment in Europe. It  
is one of the things that we have got to try and sort out," he told a  
conference organised by biofuels industry lobby group, the  
Environmental Industries Commission.

The United States has seen rapid growth in its bioethanol industry,  
boosted by strong goverment support motivated by a desire for energy  
security.

European biodiesel makers have made the same complaint to Brussels --  
that increasing sales of U.S. biodiesel are being made in the EU with  
the help of unfair subsidies.

Britain offers tax incentives for motor fuels which contain biofuels  
as part of its effort to reduce emissions of the greenhouse gases  
which are believed to contribute to global warming. The incentive is  
provided to both domestically produced and imported biofuels.

Bioethanol, which is usually blended with petrol, can be made from  
grains or sugar crops. The U.S. and Brazil are the world's two  
leading producers of bioethanol.

Britain currently has no significant bioethanol plants although many  
are planned. It currently imports much of its bioethanol from Brazil.

http://biobased.org/list2.php?storyid=11529
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From wrenchwench at blast.com  Mon Apr  2 15:47:58 2007
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:47:58 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] After the Peak Mini Conference
References: <451698906.1175542501622.JavaMail.nobody@james0>
Message-ID: <FC69E7B7-9164-4A28-A277-8D4249230DCE@blast.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Stephen Hren <themudranch at yahoo.com>
> Date: April 2, 2007 3:35:02 PM EDT
> To: oilawareness-216-announce at meetup.com
> Subject: [oilawareness-216] After the Peak Mini Conference
>
> A special announcement from Stephen Hren, Organizer of NC Powerdown  
> Triangle Peak Oil Group
>
>
> Please pass on this info to anyone you think might be interested.  
> The event is free and will last about two hours.
>
> See you there!
> Stephen
>
> When:
> Thursday, April 5, 2007, 7:00 PM
> Where:
> Carrboro Century Center
> South Greensboro St
> Carrboro , NC 27510
> Description:
> Sponsored by a variety of groups including us, the Village Project,  
> and the Orange County Democratic Party.
>
> This will be the debut screening of local filmmaker Jim McQuaid's  
> half hour docudrama After the Peak. A panel discussion will follow  
> with Blair Pollock of the Village Project, Cy Rich, a farmer and  
> adjunct energy professor at Duke, and Eric Henry of TS Designs.  
> These folks have all been working hard to create a local  
> sustainable economy.
>
> The event will be held at the Carrboro Century Center on South  
> Greensboro Street in downtown Carrboro April 5th at 7pm.
>
> Please help spread the word about this event! Email this on to  
> others who might be interested.
>
> The details:
>
> Global Challenges, Local Solutions
>
> Local filmmaker Jim McQuaid screens his new film ?After the Peak? ?  
> a provocative look at the world of oil scarcity set in Orange  
> County in the near future -- followed by a public meeting about our  
> energy future and how we can address these challenges locally.
>
> CARRBORO ? FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: A group of concerned citizens,  
> sponsored by local organizations, will hold a public meeting on  
> April 5th at 7pm at the Century Center on South Greensboro Street  
> in downtown Carrboro to address our energy future with a focus on  
> local solutions to global problems.
>
> The organizers include Mike Lanier, Stephen Hren, Tom Henkel,  
> Alison Carpenter, Blair Pollock, Jim McQuaid, Dave Stancil and  
> Sally Goerner. Sponsors include NC Cooperative Extension, NC  
> Powerdown, SURGE, The Chapel Hill Solar Roofs Committee, The  
> Alliance for Community Economics, The Orange County Economic  
> Development Commission, and The Village Project.
>
> The program opens with the premiere of McQuaid?s half-hour film  
> After the Peak reporting on life in Orange County as people and  
> institutions cope with $10 a gallon gasoline. The film is a natural  
> springboard for community conversations on how to respond to the  
> challenges facing us as oil becomes scarcer and more expensive.  
> Following the film, three speakers will give short presentations on  
> ideas for local solutions to these global challenges. Those  
> presentations will be followed by audience questions and comments.  
> Local elected officials have been invited to attend to foster  
> community dialogue and action.
>
> The first speaker is Simon Rich, a thought leader on the  
> interconnection of energy and agriculture. Mr. Rich is a former CEO  
> of Louis Dreyfus Natural Gas and is active in many organizations  
> including the North Carolina Sustainable Energy Association, The  
> Center for Environmental Farming Systems and Environmental Defense.
>
> Second will be Eric Henry, long associated with a wide variety of  
> local solution issues from bicycling, to land use, to sustainable  
> apparel ? apparel production which creates no unwanted chemical or  
> environmental side effects. He produces bio-diesel fuel for a local  
> cooperative and uses solar power at his Burlington plant. His  
> passion is the ?triple bottom line? business model and recreating  
> local economies.
>
> The third speaker will be Patrick McDonough, a Board member of The  
> Village Project and a transportation planner. He will speak on how  
> regional and local land use and transportation decisions affect our  
> energy consumption and how future growth patterns can drastically  
> reduce our auto dependence.
>
> The meeting is free and open to all interested members of the public.
>
> CONTACT: Mike Lanier / 919 688-7334 / mlanier at co.orange.nc.us
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> This message was sent by Stephen Hren (member profile: http:// 
> oilawareness.meetup.com/216/members/2023687/) from NC Powerdown  
> Triangle Peak Oil Group.
>
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From wrenchwench at blast.com  Mon Apr  2 17:30:37 2007
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:30:37 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Subject: 1993 VW Cabriolet 1.6 TD
	conversion for sale
References: <mailman.8539.1175544437.25899.biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net>
Message-ID: <30B357A7-0859-4EC7-BFE6-1D7063F68EF0@blast.com>



Begin forwarded message:

>
>
> From: Rich Mason <rich at masonthree.com>
> Date: April 2, 2007 4:12:31 PM EDT
> To: BIG <Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net>
> Subject: 1993 VW Cabriolet 1.6 TD conversion for sale
>
>
> I need to sell my 1993 Cabriolet that has been converted to a 1.6  
> TD.  The conversion was done by a local mechanic from an 85 TD  
> jetta that I bought and features the stronger half shafts and 5  
> speed tranny of the gasser.  It has a 2 1/4 inch exhaust, new  
> tires, two sets of alloy wheels (snowflakes and castellets),  
> factory cruise control, driver's side airbag, power windows and the  
> top is around 2 years old.  It runs great, gets great mileage and  
> is a blast to drive.  Top down cruising is a sweet smelling dream  
> with B100.
>
> I am not sure what it is worth as there are very few of these  
> around but serious shoppers (or biodiesel dreamers) can come take a  
> look and we can discuss pricing.  I need to clear room for a new  
> 123 Mercedes project.
>
> Feel free to call me with questions.
>
> Rich Mason
> 919 260-4973
> Chapel Hill, NC

>
>
\

From peter at prkbikes.com  Mon Apr  2 22:56:21 2007
From: peter at prkbikes.com (Peter Koskinen)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FS: 42 gallon diesel fuel cell
Message-ID: <20070403025611.QECR25499.ibm56aec.bellsouth.net@gateway>

 FS: 42 gallon fuel cell that came out of an Isuzu FRR diesel truck. Has
never been converted to bio-diesel. Has no dents, dings or rust. $300
includes fuel sending unit.

Cheers,

Peter
Peter Reid Koskinen
Owner
PRKBIKES LLC
9506 Collins Creek Drive
Chapel Hill, NC, 27516
USA
 
H/O:  919.960.5871
Fax:  919.960.0641
Cell: 410.991.7539
Peter at prkbikes.com
www.prkbikes.com <http://www.prkbikes.com/> 
 
	
			


From dentonconrad at netzero.net  Tue Apr  3 09:02:38 2007
From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:02:38 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Better than ethanol
Message-ID: <4612506E.4030003@netzero.net>

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/02/news/economy/biobutanol/index.htm?cnn=yes

From wooster at coastalnet.com  Wed Apr  4 20:49:39 2007
From: wooster at coastalnet.com (wooster at coastalnet.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:49:39 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] de watering grease
Message-ID: <20670538.1175734179270.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I am just beginnning production of biodiesel using an appleseed processor. My WVO sometimes has a lot of water in it. I would prefer to use WVO or biodiesel to boil the water out. Does anyone have plans or ideas for a biodiesel burner?

Ben 

From mattr at biofuels.coop  Wed Apr  4 20:59:48 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:59:48 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] de watering grease
In-Reply-To: <20670538.1175734179270.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <20670538.1175734179270.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <99D9BE7F-BF88-43D0-B967-628BA6CAAFDF@biofuels.coop>

Check out Ag Solutions.  They are the kings of heating with biodiesel  
and oils.
http://www.agsolutionsllc.com/

On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:49 PM, wooster at coastalnet.com wrote:

> I am just beginnning production of biodiesel using an appleseed  
> processor. My WVO sometimes has a lot of water in it. I would  
> prefer to use WVO or biodiesel to boil the water out. Does anyone  
> have plans or ideas for a biodiesel burner?
>
> Ben
> _______________________________________________
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> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From carolinabiofuels at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 22:54:34 2007
From: carolinabiofuels at gmail.com (Harry John Albert)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:54:34 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] de watering grease
In-Reply-To: <b1ef95f10704041918v3f136e42la828cb45947f4e9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20670538.1175734179270.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<b1ef95f10704041918v3f136e42la828cb45947f4e9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1ef95f10704041954i6f2e090do661ad6e10003b8d1@mail.gmail.com>

The amount of energy used to boil the water out of your wvo would be
huge.  Have you considered merely heating and settling?



On 4/4/07, Harry John Albert <carolinabiofuels at gmail.com> wrote:
> The amount of energy used to boil the water out of your wvo would be huge.  Have you considered merely heating and settling?
>
>
>
> On 4/4/07,  wooster at coastalnet.com <wooster at coastalnet.com> wrote:
> >  I am just beginnning production of biodiesel using an appleseed processor. My WVO sometimes has a lot of water in it. I would prefer to use WVO or biodiesel to boil the water out. Does anyone have plans or ideas for a biodiesel burner?
> >
> > Ben
> > _______________________________________________
> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> >  http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
> >
>
>

From gena5 at bellsouth.net  Thu Apr  5 10:53:19 2007
From: gena5 at bellsouth.net (Gena)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] how to collect used veg oil
Message-ID: <ABCA0BEB-96BF-42FA-99CA-611ADB3ACD59@bellsouth.net>

ok, so i'm wondering, if one wanted to diy used restaurant veg oil  
into biodiesel, how do you go about getting it from the restaurant to  
your reactor?

my thought were perhaps a tank on the back of a trailer?  do you need  
a pump?  what kind pump/tank?

not having much restaurant experience, the only thing i know about  
them is that behind some restaurants, there is a cap on the ground  
that i guess is a sump for used oil?

thanks,
gena

From rickyb at rickyb.net  Thu Apr  5 11:09:46 2007
From: rickyb at rickyb.net (rickyb at rickyb.net)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:09:46 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] how to collect used veg oil
Message-ID: <20070405150946.6B6AB13CC51@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com>

We use a 55 gallon barrel in the back of a pickup truck.  A manual 55 gallon crank pump is mounted the removeable lid of the barrel.  When we get to the site we take the top with the pump mounted from the back of the truck and put it in the barrel at the restaurant.  We pump it into the trucks barrel, replace our top and away we go.  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gena <gena5 at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Biofuels Group (E-mail)" <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] how to collect used veg oil
> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:53:19 -0400
> 
> 
> ok, so i'm wondering, if one wanted to diy used restaurant veg oil
> into biodiesel, how do you go about getting it from the restaurant to
> your reactor?
> 
> my thought were perhaps a tank on the back of a trailer?  do you need
> a pump?  what kind pump/tank?
> 
> not having much restaurant experience, the only thing i know about
> them is that behind some restaurants, there is a cap on the ground
> that i guess is a sump for used oil?
> 
> thanks,
> gena
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group

>


From biodiesel at yovo.info  Thu Apr  5 11:24:50 2007
From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:24:50 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] how to collect used veg oil
In-Reply-To: <ABCA0BEB-96BF-42FA-99CA-611ADB3ACD59@bellsouth.net>
References: <ABCA0BEB-96BF-42FA-99CA-611ADB3ACD59@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <461514C2.6010307@yovo.info>

That depends on the restaurant, the volume of WVO and the available 
facility. Some of the restaurants I deal with only use a couple of 
"cubes" (plastic containers of veg oil) a week, so they usually just 
dump the oil back into the cubes and I pick them up. The higher-volume 
places prefer a open-top, metal drum with a lid. Obviously, you need a 
transfer pump and a second container to haul it off. I have a 12-volt 
fuel transfer pump from Northern Tool.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             J?rgen Henn
          2002 Jetta TDI
  40/50 MPG on biodiesel
http://words.yovo.info/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gena wrote:
> ok, so i'm wondering, if one wanted to diy used restaurant veg oil  
> into biodiesel, how do you go about getting it from the restaurant to  
> your reactor?
> 
> my thought were perhaps a tank on the back of a trailer?  do you need  
> a pump?  what kind pump/tank?
> 
> not having much restaurant experience, the only thing i know about  
> them is that behind some restaurants, there is a cap on the ground  
> that i guess is a sump for used oil?
> 
> thanks,
> gena
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group

From aibodkin at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 11:25:43 2007
From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:25:43 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] how to collect used veg oil
In-Reply-To: <20070405150946.6B6AB13CC51@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070405150946.6B6AB13CC51@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <a7ab88920704050825n8d359b3od8e27f78304f6069@mail.gmail.com>

I was down in Charlotte a few weekends ago and stopped in to see Mark
Englander at Charlotte Energy Solutions -
www.CharlotteEnergySolutions.com

Anyway Mark has a freebie DVD called "Liquid Gold"?it has a lot of
good information about finding and gathering quality waste oil? it
gives a pretty good overview of the tools and process?

~Andy

On 4/5/07, rickyb at rickyb.net <rickyb at rickyb.net> wrote:
> We use a 55 gallon barrel in the back of a pickup truck.  A manual 55 gallon crank pump is mounted the removeable lid of the barrel.  When we get to the site we take the top with the pump mounted from the back of the truck and put it in the barrel at the restaurant.  We pump it into the trucks barrel, replace our top and away we go.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gena <gena5 at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Biofuels Group (E-mail)" <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
> > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] how to collect used veg oil
> > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:53:19 -0400
> >
> >
> > ok, so i'm wondering, if one wanted to diy used restaurant veg oil
> > into biodiesel, how do you go about getting it from the restaurant to
> > your reactor?
> >
> > my thought were perhaps a tank on the back of a trailer?  do you need
> > a pump?  what kind pump/tank?
> >
> > not having much restaurant experience, the only thing i know about
> > them is that behind some restaurants, there is a cap on the ground
> > that i guess is a sump for used oil?
> >
> > thanks,
> > gena
> > _______________________________________________
> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>

From wrenchwench at blast.com  Mon Apr  9 14:45:29 2007
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:45:29 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel bill passes N.H. House
Message-ID: <64ECB51E-1A29-4C73-AAF5-A32FC701A626@blast.com>

By Adam Leech
aleech at seacoastonline.com

Four year ago, David Borden of New Castle started putting the pieces  
together. His wife's asthma was getting worse, the price of gasoline  
was starting to rise, and the northern old maple trees on his  
property were dying while the southern red oaks were flourishing.

He bought an old diesel Volkswagen and traveled two hours to West  
Chesterfield on the border of Vermont and filled up a bunch of cans  
with biodiesel "" a more environmentally friendly fuel that was  
beginning to catch on. He started using it in his boat, farm  
equipment and to heat his home.

Borden, now a Democratic member of the state House, is trying not  
only to make it easier to get biodiesel in the state, but to make it  
the rule rather than the exception. He introduced a bill that would  
be the first step in creating a statewide initiative to replace 20  
percent of the state's fossil fuels used in diesel and home heating  
oils with biodiesel produced from vegetable oils and animal waste.

"The state has a tremendous opportunity to find ways for the state to  
be more energy independent," Borden said. "We probably can't do more  
than 20 percent, but that would make an enormous difference."

Borden's bill, House Bill 689, would create a study commission made  
up of legislators, a University of New Hampshire faculty member, as  
well as energy, environment, agriculture and transportation experts.  
Their goal would be to determine how much biodiesel the state can  
produce, what resources exist for production, the best way to  
distribute the fuel, and ways to encourage biodiesel production in  
New Hampshire.

"My dream is we could have biodiesel produced throughout different  
parts of the state, and be sold and consumed (in those locations) to  
reduce the amount of travel (for biodiesel suppliers)," he said. "And  
the purpose of this bill is to find ways to do that."

The bill, which has no monetary impact, breezed through committee by  
a 15-1 vote and passed the House on a voice vote Wednesday.

The advantages of biodiesel are just environmental, according to  
Borden. There is potential for significant economic benefits to the  
state, particularly in the struggling agriculture industry. Benefits  
for the state that ranks fourth in the nation for per-capita asthma  
attacks are numerous as well.

The respiratory health impacts of diesel has been the focus of  
federally funded research by Dr. Melinda Treadwell, associate  
professor at Keene State College, since 2000.

Petroleum diesel engines emit more than 40 compounds that are known  
or suspected cancer-causing agents and are estimated to generate  
between 4 and 53 percent of the fine particulate matter pollution  
concentrations in areas across the United States.

During the last four years of research, Treadwell said tests of the  
fine particle emissions in the air have shown that introducing the  
B20 blend (20 percent biodiesel and 80 percent petroleum diesel)  
consistently reduced emissions by 50 to 70 percent.

Dorn Cox, a 34-year-old organic farmer from Lee, has fueled his  
diesel equipment with B20 produced on his farm using waste oil from  
UNH food halls. He built a machine on an 18-foot trailer capable of  
producing 50 gallons an hour and has recently experimented with  
alternative fuels manufactured from what he grows on the farm, such  
as sunflower and mustard seeds.

A helpful byproduct from the pressed seeds used in fuel production is  
livestock feed. Cox said there is great economic potential for  
farmers with the production of biofuel, but the resources must be  
made available.

The crops that are known for alternative fuel production are not  
typically produced in the Northeast, meaning there is little relevant  
knowledge or equipment.

"As exciting as this is, there needs to be more support for local  
farmers to keep conservation land open and fund the research to allow  
for the potential of energy independence to be developed," Cox said.  
"I'm sure there are some New England crops that haven't even been  
discussed."

Biodiesel, he said, is just a piece of it. Non-corn ethanol  
production and methane digesters are also great potential energy  
sources.

Creating new industry and keeping state dollars in the state are an  
important component to the bill, Borden said. According to the state  
Office of Energy and Planning, for every dollar that is spent on home  
heating oil in the state, only 10.5 cents stays in the state. With  
diesel fuel, it's 12.5 cents per dollar and 61 percent of the diesel  
fuels are imported from other countries.

"The cost is extremely unstable, as are the places they're coming  
from. That's why power companies are really exploring alternatives,"  
Borden said. "The interesting thing about biodiesel is there are  
probably enough ways of generating it, so that there's a predictable  
supply."

Borden said the bill has strong bipartisan support and will begin to  
address an issue that is far-reaching and multifaceted.

"Producing biodiesel is just one part of becoming energy  
independent," he said. "But it will help."

This page has been printed from the following URL:
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/04082007/nhnews-08sun-biodiesel.html

From mattr at biofuels.coop  Tue Apr 10 09:54:24 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:54:24 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Creating plastics from plant oils
	for ultimate use as biodiesel fuel
References: <006d01c77b77$20f377e0$6400a8c0@melissa>
Message-ID: <D1F4B5CC-9568-473C-9608-9DDB029B7AC0@biofuels.coop>


>
>
> April 9, 2007
>
> A Plastic Wrapper Today Could Be Fuel Tomorrow
> By MATTHEW L. WALD
>
> WASHINGTON, April 8 ? Scientists worldwide are struggling to make  
> motor fuel from waste, but Richard Gross has taken an unusual  
> approach: making a ?fuel-latent plastic,? designed for conversion.  
> It can be used like ordinary plastic, for packaging or other  
> purposes, but when it is waste, can easily be turned into a  
> substitute diesel fuel.
>
> The process does not yet work well enough to be commercial, but the  
> Pentagon was impressed enough to give $2.34 million for more  
> research. The technique could reduce the amount of material that  
> the military has to ship to soldiers at remote bases, because the  
> plastic would do double duty, first as packaging and then as fuel.  
> It would also reduce trash disposal problems, according to the  
> Defense Advanced Projects Research Agency, known as Darpa.
>
> Dr. Gross, a professor of chemistry at Polytechnic University, in  
> Brooklyn, is turning plant oils, of the kind already used to make  
> biodiesel, into ?bioplastic.? The plastics can be films or rigid,  
> as are commonly found in food packaging. Then he uses a naturally  
> occurring enzyme to break down the plastic into fuel.
>
> ?It works in very mild conditions, lukewarm tap water,? he said.  
> The enzyme, cutinase, is present in nature, made by parasites to  
> eat through the shiny surfaces of tree leaves, so the parasite can  
> suck nutrients out of the inner parts.
>
> A gene-splicing company, DNA 2.0, has taken some of the DNA from  
> that parasite and spliced it into an e. coli bacterium, to mass  
> produce the enzyme. The e. coli was chosen because it reproduces  
> more readily than the original parasite.
>
> Conversion begins with shredding the plastic. An office paper  
> shredder will do, Dr. Gross said. Then the shreds are immersed in  
> water with a small amount of the enzyme. In three days to five  
> days, the process is complete, and the biodiesel floats to the top.
>
> To meet Environmental Protection Agency standards for road use in  
> the United States, biofuel would have to go through additional  
> chemical processing, but Darpa believes the resulting fuel can be  
> poured directly into the fuel tank of a diesel generator to make  
> electricity.
>
> A soldier generates on average more than seven pounds of packaging  
> waste a day, according to Darpa, and simply getting rid of the  
> trash requires ?personnel, fuel and critical transport equipment.?
>
> Even if some of the energy was lost in reprocessing the plastics,  
> the wastes could provide more than enough fuel to make the  
> electricity that a military base would need, according to Darpa.
>
> The Pentagon calls it the Mobile Integrated Sustainable Energy  
> Recovery program, or Miser. Jan Walker, a spokeswoman for Darpa,  
> said that in the range of projects that her agency sponsors, this  
> one was ?not real technical,? although it was still in a  
> preliminary stage.
>
> According to Dr. Gross, a gallon of soy oil will yield the same  
> amount of biodiesel whether it is converted directly or goes  
> through an intermediate stage as plastic.
>
> The trick, he said, is to take a class of chemicals in the oil  
> called fatty acids, from soy oil or another crop source, and alter  
> them so they have the chemical equivalent of a ?hook? at one end.  
> Then they can be linked into long chains, a building block of  
> plastics. Add cross-links that run from chain to chain, and the  
> plastic goes from a film to a rigid material.
>
> Converting the soy oil to fatty acid is also done with an enzyme. A  
> gene-altered yeast does that job. Jeremy Minshull, the president of  
> DNA 2.0, said yeast was chosen because that conversion takes  
> energy, and the yeast will provide that when fed cheap food.
>
> Then e. coli, using DNA borrowed from a fungus called Candida  
> Antarctica, converts the hydroxy fatty acid into a polymer, a  
> material that can be heated and shaped into useful plastic shapes.  
> And after its career as a plastic container is over, it can be  
> shredded and then chemically broken down into diesel fuel.
>
> Mr. Minshull said that one challenge now is to tinker with the  
> enzyme that turns the plastic back into liquid, so a smaller amount  
> will do the job. That will lower costs, he said, and reduce the  
> amount of enzyme that is fed into the diesel engine.
>
> While biodiesel is produced commercially in this country, it is not  
> competitive with diesel fuel from petroleum without a government  
> subsidy. But if oil prices stay high enough, or if the government  
> puts a tax on carbon emissions, bioplastic-to-biodiesel could  
> become viable without subsidies. Using plants for plastic or fuel  
> saves carbon because the next year?s crop will reabsorb carbon from  
> the atmosphere.
>
>
>
>

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Apr 11 09:15:55 2007
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:15:55 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: 1980 240 D for sale
References: <2CF76671-6555-464E-B3FD-B60DF99B8BFB@masonthree.com>
Message-ID: <CE459004-8857-446C-931A-998EBD81FC52@blast.com>


> Please contact seller below:
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Rich Mason <rich at masonthree.com>
>> Date: 8 April 2007 09:06:23 GMT-04:00
>> To: BIG <Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net>
>> Subject: 1980 240 D for sale
>>
>> Runs beautifully.  4 speed.  China Blue. Tan interior.  Daily  
>> driver. Has a dented front left fender.
>>
>> $1500
>>
>> Rich Mason
>> Chapel HIll, NC
>> 919 260 4973
>


From rachlh at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 12 14:16:25 2007
From: rachlh at yahoo.com (Rachel Hoff)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:16:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Piedmont Biofuels Annual Meeting:
	Saturday at the Solar Center!!!!!! Don't forget!!!
Message-ID: <838174.65180.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The following is taken from the PBF events blog:


Coop members, prospective members, and stakeholders
are invited to Piedmont Biofuels Annual Meeting on
April 14th at 9:00 at the McKimmon Center on the
campus of NC State University.

Opening remarks will be made by Steve Kalland,
Director of the NC Solar Center.

This year?s meeting is being held in Raleigh in honor
of Piedmont?s newest location at Larry?s Beans on
Gavin St., just behind Five Points. The opening of the
Raleigh location has spurred growth in Raleigh
membership of the consumer coop.

The 2005 Annual Meeting was held at Duke University in
Durham, in honor of Carolina Biodiesel?s deployment of
three locations of the B100 Community Trail.

On the agenda for the annual meeting is a year in
review by Executive Director, Matt Rudolf, elections
by Board President Rachel Burton, a financial update
by Secretary Treasurer, Lyle Estill, and a farm update
by Piedmont Biofarm operator Doug Jones. By-law
amendments will also be covered by Leif Forer.

Also in store is a look at the year ahead, which
includes the launching of a new education center and
an ambitious oilseed community project. 


Can't wait to see you all there!


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From rachel at blast.com  Wed Apr 18 10:31:14 2007
From: rachel at blast.com (rachel)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:31:14 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Pittsboro gets its first B20 Station!
References: <5017294F-681C-4A2F-88C7-F53BA8FEA9AF@blast.com>
Message-ID: <26502A42-4E78-4221-BE0B-864349B0C237@blast.com>

Come on out to the ribbon cutting for Pittsboro's first B20 biodiesel  
station!
Next Monday, April 23rd, at 10:00 a.m., the Mayor of Pittsboro, Mr.  
Randy Voller will address the group and officially cut the ribbon.
This is a collaboration between Cary Oil and Piedmont Biofuels.
The station is the Shell Station on Hwy 64 Business, near the  
intersection of Industrial Drive.
We would love it if you could attend.
And feel free to pass the word!


>
>
-------------- next part --------------
>>
>>
>>
>>


From terhorst at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 18 21:21:19 2007
From: terhorst at bellsouth.net (Marc ter Horst)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:21:19 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million gal/year
	biodiesel
Message-ID: <4626C40F.80704@bellsouth.net>

Tyson, ConocoPhillips link up for biodiesel
By Michael Kanellos
http://news.com.com/Tyson%2C+ConocoPhillips+link+up+for+biodiesel/2100-11392_3-6176812.html 


Story last modified Tue Apr 17 12:19:52 PDT 2007


*Big oil, meet big meat.*

Tyson Foods <http://www.tyson.com/>, one of the largest meat processors 
in the United States, is working with oil giant ConocoPhillips 
<http://www.conocophillips.com> to produce and start selling biodiesel 
<http://news.com.com/Fast-food+fat-future+fuel+for+cars/2100-1008_3-6157412.html> 
made from chicken, pork and poultry fat. The two companies have been 
running processing trials in Tyson's Ireland facility.

Biodiesel can be run in most diesel engines but burns cleaner than 
regular diesel fuel. It emits less nitrous oxide and sulfur compounds, 
depending on how it is processed. It is also more carbon-neutral, 
advocates say, because the carbon dioxide emitted by tailpipes burning 
biodiesel is captured from green plants. (Grass takes in carbon dioxide 
during photosynthesis, cows eat the grass, and then the cow fat gets 
turned into gas, which releases the carbon dioxide).

Diesel fuel made from fossil deposits releases carbon dioxide that was 
captured below the surface of the earth.

Tyson formed a renewable-energy division last year. The company 
generates about 2.3 billion pounds of animal fat a year in its 
operations. The companies estimate that the operation could result in 
175 million gallons of biodiesel a year. ConocoPhillips said it will 
invest $100 million in this project.

Culling animal fat from the nation's slaughterhouses won't solve the 
energy crisis 
<http://news.com.com/A+new+ally+in+the+energy+crisis+Termites/2100-11395_3-6160269.html>. 
The United States consumed about 62 billion gallons of diesel last year. 
Thus, Tyson's contribution would amount to less than 1 percent of the 
overall diesel budget.

Even if all of the deep-fryer grease and animal fat in the States were 
collected for fuel, it would still likely amount to only a small 
percentage <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6165141.html> of the diesel 
supply.

Still, it could add to the bottom line for both companies. On the 
wholesale market, diesel sells for about $2 a gallon. The government 
also offers subsidies ranging from 50 cents to $1 a gallon to ensure 
that biodiesel, which is actually more expensive at the moment, stays 
competitive with regular fossil fuel diesel.

Biodiesel produced from animal fat is better-suited to fueling 
industrial boilers than cars, according to University of Minnesota 
professor Vernon Eidman <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6158550.html>. 
Tyson and ConocoPhillips, however, said their biodiesel will be sold for 
the "on-road" diesel market. Biodiesel can also be mixed in with regular 
diesel.

The two companies will begin to ramp up manufacturing facilities this year.

Converting waste oil or animal fat into biodiesel largely revolves 
around removing glycerols, which increase viscosity, from the oil. The 
glycerols removed from the process can also be sold to other customers 
and chemical producers.

Diesel engines can run on vegetable oil--Rudolf Diesel ran his first 
engines on peanut oil--but the oil needs to be heated first, which would 
require modifications to the car.

Although demand for fuel is high, alternative fuel remains a risky 
business. Erecting refineries costs millions of dollars, and 
fluctuations in the prices of crude oil and alternative-fuel feedstock 
can transform a company from profitable to loss-making. Several ethanol 
companies recently saw their profits evaporate after the price of corn 
shot up.

Smithfield Foods <http://www.smithfieldfoods.com>, for instance, 
canceled its own alternative-energy plant, which hoped to make biodiesel 
from mixing vegetable oil with methane from cow manure culled on its farms.




From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 22:18:35 2007
From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:18:35 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million gal/year
 biodiesel
In-Reply-To: <4626C40F.80704@bellsouth.net>
References: <4626C40F.80704@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <462822FB.6010303@gmail.com>

I heard about this on the radio,  It sounded like a good project.  The 
only thing that annoyed me was that on the radio, Conoco Phillips said 
that they were not going to market their final product as biodiesel.  
They were going to blend the biodiesel in low percentages with the 
petrodiesel and just sell it as regular diesel.

A 3-10% blend is probably a good way to use biodiesel made from animal 
fat because of its cold flow properties when used straight, but I would 
like to see Conoco Phillips marketing it as a biodiesel blend to raise 
awareness of biofuels.

-- Mark

Marc ter Horst wrote:
> Tyson, ConocoPhillips link up for biodiesel
> By Michael Kanellos
> http://news.com.com/Tyson%2C+ConocoPhillips+link+up+for+biodiesel/2100-11392_3-6176812.html 
>
>
> Story last modified Tue Apr 17 12:19:52 PDT 2007
>
>
> *Big oil, meet big meat.*
>
> Tyson Foods <http://www.tyson.com/>, one of the largest meat processors 
> in the United States, is working with oil giant ConocoPhillips 
> <http://www.conocophillips.com> to produce and start selling biodiesel 
> <http://news.com.com/Fast-food+fat-future+fuel+for+cars/2100-1008_3-6157412.html> 
> made from chicken, pork and poultry fat. The two companies have been 
> running processing trials in Tyson's Ireland facility.
>
> Biodiesel can be run in most diesel engines but burns cleaner than 
> regular diesel fuel. It emits less nitrous oxide and sulfur compounds, 
> depending on how it is processed. It is also more carbon-neutral, 
> advocates say, because the carbon dioxide emitted by tailpipes burning 
> biodiesel is captured from green plants. (Grass takes in carbon dioxide 
> during photosynthesis, cows eat the grass, and then the cow fat gets 
> turned into gas, which releases the carbon dioxide).
>
> Diesel fuel made from fossil deposits releases carbon dioxide that was 
> captured below the surface of the earth.
>
> Tyson formed a renewable-energy division last year. The company 
> generates about 2.3 billion pounds of animal fat a year in its 
> operations. The companies estimate that the operation could result in 
> 175 million gallons of biodiesel a year. ConocoPhillips said it will 
> invest $100 million in this project.
>
> Culling animal fat from the nation's slaughterhouses won't solve the 
> energy crisis 
> <http://news.com.com/A+new+ally+in+the+energy+crisis+Termites/2100-11395_3-6160269.html>. 
> The United States consumed about 62 billion gallons of diesel last year. 
> Thus, Tyson's contribution would amount to less than 1 percent of the 
> overall diesel budget.
>
> Even if all of the deep-fryer grease and animal fat in the States were 
> collected for fuel, it would still likely amount to only a small 
> percentage <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6165141.html> of the diesel 
> supply.
>
> Still, it could add to the bottom line for both companies. On the 
> wholesale market, diesel sells for about $2 a gallon. The government 
> also offers subsidies ranging from 50 cents to $1 a gallon to ensure 
> that biodiesel, which is actually more expensive at the moment, stays 
> competitive with regular fossil fuel diesel.
>
> Biodiesel produced from animal fat is better-suited to fueling 
> industrial boilers than cars, according to University of Minnesota 
> professor Vernon Eidman <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6158550.html>. 
> Tyson and ConocoPhillips, however, said their biodiesel will be sold for 
> the "on-road" diesel market. Biodiesel can also be mixed in with regular 
> diesel.
>
> The two companies will begin to ramp up manufacturing facilities this year.
>
> Converting waste oil or animal fat into biodiesel largely revolves 
> around removing glycerols, which increase viscosity, from the oil. The 
> glycerols removed from the process can also be sold to other customers 
> and chemical producers.
>
> Diesel engines can run on vegetable oil--Rudolf Diesel ran his first 
> engines on peanut oil--but the oil needs to be heated first, which would 
> require modifications to the car.
>
> Although demand for fuel is high, alternative fuel remains a risky 
> business. Erecting refineries costs millions of dollars, and 
> fluctuations in the prices of crude oil and alternative-fuel feedstock 
> can transform a company from profitable to loss-making. Several ethanol 
> companies recently saw their profits evaporate after the price of corn 
> shot up.
>
> Smithfield Foods <http://www.smithfieldfoods.com>, for instance, 
> canceled its own alternative-energy plant, which hoped to make biodiesel 
> from mixing vegetable oil with methane from cow manure culled on its farms.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
>
>   



From mattr at biofuels.coop  Thu Apr 19 09:21:07 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:21:07 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: 300 SD for sale
References: <b88479e30704190615p493806bewbeb5f7bf53c65655@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D281FA73-6CC0-479C-8FC1-487B3B441E13@biofuels.coop>

please contact seller directly

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bodes <bodefamily at gmail.com>
> Date: April 19, 2007 9:15:51 AM EDT
> To: "Matthew Rudolf" <mattr at biofuels.coop>
> Subject: 300 SD for sale
>
> Hi Matt
> We spoke about selling my converted Benz when I was picking up the  
> IDF tank last weekend.  Here is the link to the ad.  Thanks very  
> much for your help with this.
> Ray Bode
> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/314709182.html

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From peter at prkbikes.com  Thu Apr 19 09:44:36 2007
From: peter at prkbikes.com (Peter Koskinen)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:44:36 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FS: Fuel tank
Message-ID: <20070419134357.YXUL6073.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@gateway>

FS: 42 gallon Diesel Fuel tank with sending unit Dimensions: 29" long x 23"
wide x 19" tall. Tank came out of an Isuzu FRR truck. No dents, dings or
punctures. Comes with correct electric sending unit (0-90 ohms) $300 +
shipping if applicable.

Contact me directly for more information or to see it. 

  

 
Peter Reid Koskinen
Owner
PRKBIKES LLC
Chapel Hill, NC, 27516
USA
 
H/O:  919.960.5871
Cell: 410.991.7539
Peter at prkbikes.com
www.prkbikes.com <http://www.prkbikes.com/> 
 
	
			


From peter at prkbikes.com  Thu Apr 19 09:47:18 2007
From: peter at prkbikes.com (Peter Koskinen)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:47:18 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Mercedes 300DT sedan
Message-ID: <20070419134639.YZMF6073.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@gateway>

 1984 MB 300 DT SEDAN 

1984 Mercedes Benz 300d turbo diesel sedan. 151,300 miles. Garage kept. NO
RUST!! Excellent interior, Excellent Exterior. 28 mpg city/35 mpg highway.
Everything works $7000 OBO Please no Tire Kickers

Contact me directly to see this auto. 

Peter Reid Koskinen
Owner
PRKBIKES LLC
Chapel Hill, NC, 27516
USA
 
H/O:  919.960.5871
Fax:  919.960.0641
Cell: 410.991.7539
Peter at prkbikes.com
www.prkbikes.com <http://www.prkbikes.com/> 
 
	
			


From tavanas at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 21:54:57 2007
From: tavanas at gmail.com (t avanas)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:54:57 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] MB gas to diesel conversion
References: <20070419134639.YZMF6073.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@gateway>
Message-ID: <001301c782ee$e6fac550$2df9fea9@amer.cisco.com>

folks,

i am in the planning stages of converting a '89 MB 300TE (gas) to diesel. i 
have a 2.5 liter diesel engine from a '92 MB. i am wondering if anyone else 
on this list has attempted or thought about this type of conversion and can 
share their findings.

thanks
saeed



From toothey007 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 20 07:05:18 2007
From: toothey007 at yahoo.com (Joe Abate)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:05:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] MB gas to diesel conversion
In-Reply-To: <001301c782ee$e6fac550$2df9fea9@amer.cisco.com>
Message-ID: <211246.92900.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

saeed - i have definitely been thinking about a
conversion like you were talking about, but havent
actually done one.  in general i think there are far
too few diesels on the road.

i am definitely interested in hearing more about your
project and hearing about how it progresses.

Joe

--- t avanas <tavanas at gmail.com> wrote:

> folks,
> 
> i am in the planning stages of converting a '89 MB
> 300TE (gas) to diesel. i 
> have a 2.5 liter diesel engine from a '92 MB. i am
> wondering if anyone else 
> on this list has attempted or thought about this
> type of conversion and can 
> share their findings.
> 
> thanks
> saeed
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
>
http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
> 


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From markj.ambrose at gmail.com  Fri Apr 20 11:54:21 2007
From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:54:21 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Lost Gas Cap
In-Reply-To: <D281FA73-6CC0-479C-8FC1-487B3B441E13@biofuels.coop>
References: <b88479e30704190615p493806bewbeb5f7bf53c65655@mail.gmail.com>
	<D281FA73-6CC0-479C-8FC1-487B3B441E13@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <4628E22D.50004@gmail.com>

I'm wondering if anyone has found a gas cap in the vicinity of the 
Raleigh pump at Larry's Beans in the last week or so.  I just noticed 
that mine is missing.  I last fueled up there sometime last week.   I 
either left it there or someone stole it  from my car sometime since then.

-- Mark

From toothey007 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 20 14:03:02 2007
From: toothey007 at yahoo.com (Joe Abate)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:03:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] honda civic diesel
Message-ID: <135936.58575.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

has anyone else heard about the 2009 honda civic
diesel that is supposed to compare to the one already
sold in the uk, which gets 55 mpg?

i hope that honda is able to launch this model in 2009
as they are planning.



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From jdorff at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 20 14:49:09 2007
From: jdorff at nc.rr.com (Jimmy Dorff)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:49:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] honda civic diesel
In-Reply-To: <135936.58575.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <135936.58575.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0704201433080.8060@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Joe Abate wrote:
> has anyone else heard about the 2009 honda civic
> diesel that is supposed to compare to the one already
> sold in the uk, which gets 55 mpg?
>
> i hope that honda is able to launch this model in 2009
> as they are planning.
>

The only specific models I have seen mentioned for Honda to offer diesel
engines in the USA are the Odyssey minivan and Acura MDX SUV.  Some sites
have also reported that the Pilot SUV and Ridgeline pickup will also
receive the engine.

From: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=asTHIyfKF4s0

'"We think Hondas light trucks, such as the Odyssey and the MDX, will be
more fuel efficient with diesels," Mr Fukui [Honda President] said adding,
"We dont have any plans to put hybrid systems in light trucks, such as the
Odyssey and MDX in the US." Mr Fukui said the four-cylinder engine can be
installed in vehicles by 2009.'

-Jimmy


From dentonconrad at netzero.net  Fri Apr 20 17:22:33 2007
From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:22:33 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Split-Cycle Engine
Message-ID: <46292F19.2040107@netzero.net>

"...the Scuderi Air-Hybrid Engine will allow internal combustion engines 
in a variety of applications (diesel and gasoline, personal and 
commercial) to be 60% fuel efficient (compared to today?s 33%, almost 
doubling mileage, in other words) and reduce toxic emissions by 80%."

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/03/scuderi_group_d.html

From rachel at blast.com  Fri Apr 20 15:40:23 2007
From: rachel at blast.com (rachel)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:40:23 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] MB gas to diesel conversion
In-Reply-To: <001301c782ee$e6fac550$2df9fea9@amer.cisco.com>
References: <20070419134639.YZMF6073.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@gateway>
	<001301c782ee$e6fac550$2df9fea9@amer.cisco.com>
Message-ID: <21CBA43A-E6BE-44D6-A493-6D4F27B0FACF@blast.com>

check this out:

http://energy.biofuels.coop/general/2005/12/30/gateway-drug/

On Apr 19, 2007, at 9:54 PM, t avanas wrote:

> folks,
>
> i am in the planning stages of converting a '89 MB 300TE (gas) to  
> diesel. i
> have a 2.5 liter diesel engine from a '92 MB. i am wondering if  
> anyone else
> on this list has attempted or thought about this type of conversion  
> and can
> share their findings.
>
> thanks
> saeed
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lebeau72 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 21 10:00:39 2007
From: lebeau72 at hotmail.com (Patric Le Beau)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:00:39 +0000
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] found key
Message-ID: <BAY123-F24ABCA612860FCD4E08A55D0550@phx.gbl>

Hello,
Someone left their key at the carrboro tank friday morning.
It has a blue carbiner on it .
I left it there but took it out of the slot it was in. (9.30am)

Ps- I have a sweet looking '79 300sd mercedes I can invest any more into.
First gear is slipping. Replaced engine has 150,000 on it. Daily driver. And 
many new parts. $800. obo.
Please call if interested 929.928.9891/ 919.259.1436. Thank you

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From biodiesel at yovo.info  Sun Apr 22 09:41:51 2007
From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:41:51 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Piedmont booth needs a ride home
Message-ID: <462B661F.4000601@yovo.info>

Anyone traveling from Durham to Moncure today? I have the Piedmont 
Biofuels booth, and it needs to go back to the coop farm by tonight. 
It's not really big, but just a couple inches too big for a Jetta trunk. 
It fits easily on a back seat. Email me or call me (423-3861) if you can 
help us out that way.

Jurgen
-- 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             J?rgen Henn
          2002 Jetta TDI
  40/50 MPG on biodiesel
http://words.yovo.info/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From mattr at biofuels.coop  Mon Apr 23 21:36:24 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:36:24 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: merceds for sale - photos posted
References: <b88479e30704231811j5709c263mf4a005ea843cb030@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68352A4D-6F55-490B-8903-C2AD81F998D1@biofuels.coop>

please contact seller directly.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bodes <bodefamily at gmail.com>
> Date: April 23, 2007 9:11:19 PM EDT
> To: "Matthew Rudolf" <mattr at biofuels.coop>
> Subject: merceds for sale - photos posted
>
> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/314709182.html

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From tobin at tjcog.org  Tue Apr 24 09:26:42 2007
From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:26:42 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million gal/year
	biodiesel
References: <4626C40F.80704@bellsouth.net> <462822FB.6010303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601c78674$37a53250$1800a8c0@cleancities>

This is actually a big problem for the biodiesel industry.  In effect, the 
big oil companies are trying to take advantage of the $1/gallon tax credit 
originally created to spur biodiesel production and use.  They are planning 
to blend a very small amount of vegetable oil with petrodiesel and then 
claim the credit.  This is not biodiesel in any sense of the word.  For more 
information, see the NBB website:

http://www.biodiesel.org/news/07clicktrhrus/20070416_renewablediesel.shtm



Tobin L. Freid
Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
Triangle J Council of Governments
(919) 558-9400

-- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters --
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Ambrose" <MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com>
To: "Marc ter Horst" <terhorst at bellsouth.net>
Cc: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million gal/year 
biodiesel


>I heard about this on the radio,  It sounded like a good project.  The
> only thing that annoyed me was that on the radio, Conoco Phillips said
> that they were not going to market their final product as biodiesel.
> They were going to blend the biodiesel in low percentages with the
> petrodiesel and just sell it as regular diesel.
>
> A 3-10% blend is probably a good way to use biodiesel made from animal
> fat because of its cold flow properties when used straight, but I would
> like to see Conoco Phillips marketing it as a biodiesel blend to raise
> awareness of biofuels.
>
> -- Mark
>
> Marc ter Horst wrote:
>> Tyson, ConocoPhillips link up for biodiesel
>> By Michael Kanellos
>> http://news.com.com/Tyson%2C+ConocoPhillips+link+up+for+biodiesel/2100-11392_3-6176812.html
>>
>>
>> Story last modified Tue Apr 17 12:19:52 PDT 2007
>>
>>
>> *Big oil, meet big meat.*
>>
>> Tyson Foods <http://www.tyson.com/>, one of the largest meat processors
>> in the United States, is working with oil giant ConocoPhillips
>> <http://www.conocophillips.com> to produce and start selling biodiesel
>> <http://news.com.com/Fast-food+fat-future+fuel+for+cars/2100-1008_3-6157412.html>
>> made from chicken, pork and poultry fat. The two companies have been
>> running processing trials in Tyson's Ireland facility.
>>
>> Biodiesel can be run in most diesel engines but burns cleaner than
>> regular diesel fuel. It emits less nitrous oxide and sulfur compounds,
>> depending on how it is processed. It is also more carbon-neutral,
>> advocates say, because the carbon dioxide emitted by tailpipes burning
>> biodiesel is captured from green plants. (Grass takes in carbon dioxide
>> during photosynthesis, cows eat the grass, and then the cow fat gets
>> turned into gas, which releases the carbon dioxide).
>>
>> Diesel fuel made from fossil deposits releases carbon dioxide that was
>> captured below the surface of the earth.
>>
>> Tyson formed a renewable-energy division last year. The company
>> generates about 2.3 billion pounds of animal fat a year in its
>> operations. The companies estimate that the operation could result in
>> 175 million gallons of biodiesel a year. ConocoPhillips said it will
>> invest $100 million in this project.
>>
>> Culling animal fat from the nation's slaughterhouses won't solve the
>> energy crisis
>> <http://news.com.com/A+new+ally+in+the+energy+crisis+Termites/2100-11395_3-6160269.html>.
>> The United States consumed about 62 billion gallons of diesel last year.
>> Thus, Tyson's contribution would amount to less than 1 percent of the
>> overall diesel budget.
>>
>> Even if all of the deep-fryer grease and animal fat in the States were
>> collected for fuel, it would still likely amount to only a small
>> percentage <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6165141.html> of the diesel
>> supply.
>>
>> Still, it could add to the bottom line for both companies. On the
>> wholesale market, diesel sells for about $2 a gallon. The government
>> also offers subsidies ranging from 50 cents to $1 a gallon to ensure
>> that biodiesel, which is actually more expensive at the moment, stays
>> competitive with regular fossil fuel diesel.
>>
>> Biodiesel produced from animal fat is better-suited to fueling
>> industrial boilers than cars, according to University of Minnesota
>> professor Vernon Eidman <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6158550.html>.
>> Tyson and ConocoPhillips, however, said their biodiesel will be sold for
>> the "on-road" diesel market. Biodiesel can also be mixed in with regular
>> diesel.
>>
>> The two companies will begin to ramp up manufacturing facilities this 
>> year.
>>
>> Converting waste oil or animal fat into biodiesel largely revolves
>> around removing glycerols, which increase viscosity, from the oil. The
>> glycerols removed from the process can also be sold to other customers
>> and chemical producers.
>>
>> Diesel engines can run on vegetable oil--Rudolf Diesel ran his first
>> engines on peanut oil--but the oil needs to be heated first, which would
>> require modifications to the car.
>>
>> Although demand for fuel is high, alternative fuel remains a risky
>> business. Erecting refineries costs millions of dollars, and
>> fluctuations in the prices of crude oil and alternative-fuel feedstock
>> can transform a company from profitable to loss-making. Several ethanol
>> companies recently saw their profits evaporate after the price of corn
>> shot up.
>>
>> Smithfield Foods <http://www.smithfieldfoods.com>, for instance,
>> canceled its own alternative-energy plant, which hoped to make biodiesel
>> from mixing vegetable oil with methane from cow manure culled on its 
>> farms.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>
>>
>>
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From tobin at tjcog.org  Tue Apr 24 09:27:35 2007
From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:27:35 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million gal/year
	biodiesel
References: <4626C40F.80704@bellsouth.net> <462822FB.6010303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c78674$54a7cd40$1800a8c0@cleancities>

This is actually a big problem for the biodiesel industry.  In effect, the 
big oil companies are trying to take advantage of the $1/gallon tax credit 
originally created to spur biodiesel production and use.  They are planning
to blend a very small amount of vegetable oil or animal fat with petrodiesel 
and then
claim the credit.  This is not biodiesel in any sense of the word and will 
hurt the biodiesel industry.  For more
information, see the NBB website:

http://www.biodiesel.org/news/07clicktrhrus/20070416_renewablediesel.shtm

Tobin L. Freid
Triangle Clean Cities Coalition Coordinator
Triangle J Council of Governments
(919) 558-9400

-- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters --
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Ambrose" <MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com>
To: "Marc ter Horst" <terhorst at bellsouth.net>
Cc: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million gal/year
biodiesel


>I heard about this on the radio,  It sounded like a good project.  The
> only thing that annoyed me was that on the radio, Conoco Phillips said
> that they were not going to market their final product as biodiesel.
> They were going to blend the biodiesel in low percentages with the
> petrodiesel and just sell it as regular diesel.
>
> A 3-10% blend is probably a good way to use biodiesel made from animal
> fat because of its cold flow properties when used straight, but I would
> like to see Conoco Phillips marketing it as a biodiesel blend to raise
> awareness of biofuels.
>
> -- Mark
>
> Marc ter Horst wrote:
>> Tyson, ConocoPhillips link up for biodiesel
>> By Michael Kanellos
>> http://news.com.com/Tyson%2C+ConocoPhillips+link+up+for+biodiesel/2100-11392_3-6176812.html
>>
>>
>> Story last modified Tue Apr 17 12:19:52 PDT 2007
>>
>>
>> *Big oil, meet big meat.*
>>
>> Tyson Foods <http://www.tyson.com/>, one of the largest meat processors
>> in the United States, is working with oil giant ConocoPhillips
>> <http://www.conocophillips.com> to produce and start selling biodiesel
>> <http://news.com.com/Fast-food+fat-future+fuel+for+cars/2100-1008_3-6157412.html>
>> made from chicken, pork and poultry fat. The two companies have been
>> running processing trials in Tyson's Ireland facility.
>>
>> Biodiesel can be run in most diesel engines but burns cleaner than
>> regular diesel fuel. It emits less nitrous oxide and sulfur compounds,
>> depending on how it is processed. It is also more carbon-neutral,
>> advocates say, because the carbon dioxide emitted by tailpipes burning
>> biodiesel is captured from green plants. (Grass takes in carbon dioxide
>> during photosynthesis, cows eat the grass, and then the cow fat gets
>> turned into gas, which releases the carbon dioxide).
>>
>> Diesel fuel made from fossil deposits releases carbon dioxide that was
>> captured below the surface of the earth.
>>
>> Tyson formed a renewable-energy division last year. The company
>> generates about 2.3 billion pounds of animal fat a year in its
>> operations. The companies estimate that the operation could result in
>> 175 million gallons of biodiesel a year. ConocoPhillips said it will
>> invest $100 million in this project.
>>
>> Culling animal fat from the nation's slaughterhouses won't solve the
>> energy crisis
>> <http://news.com.com/A+new+ally+in+the+energy+crisis+Termites/2100-11395_3-6160269.html>.
>> The United States consumed about 62 billion gallons of diesel last year.
>> Thus, Tyson's contribution would amount to less than 1 percent of the
>> overall diesel budget.
>>
>> Even if all of the deep-fryer grease and animal fat in the States were
>> collected for fuel, it would still likely amount to only a small
>> percentage <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6165141.html> of the diesel
>> supply.
>>
>> Still, it could add to the bottom line for both companies. On the
>> wholesale market, diesel sells for about $2 a gallon. The government
>> also offers subsidies ranging from 50 cents to $1 a gallon to ensure
>> that biodiesel, which is actually more expensive at the moment, stays
>> competitive with regular fossil fuel diesel.
>>
>> Biodiesel produced from animal fat is better-suited to fueling
>> industrial boilers than cars, according to University of Minnesota
>> professor Vernon Eidman <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6158550.html>.
>> Tyson and ConocoPhillips, however, said their biodiesel will be sold for
>> the "on-road" diesel market. Biodiesel can also be mixed in with regular
>> diesel.
>>
>> The two companies will begin to ramp up manufacturing facilities this
>> year.
>>
>> Converting waste oil or animal fat into biodiesel largely revolves
>> around removing glycerols, which increase viscosity, from the oil. The
>> glycerols removed from the process can also be sold to other customers
>> and chemical producers.
>>
>> Diesel engines can run on vegetable oil--Rudolf Diesel ran his first
>> engines on peanut oil--but the oil needs to be heated first, which would
>> require modifications to the car.
>>
>> Although demand for fuel is high, alternative fuel remains a risky
>> business. Erecting refineries costs millions of dollars, and
>> fluctuations in the prices of crude oil and alternative-fuel feedstock
>> can transform a company from profitable to loss-making. Several ethanol
>> companies recently saw their profits evaporate after the price of corn
>> shot up.
>>
>> Smithfield Foods <http://www.smithfieldfoods.com>, for instance,
>> canceled its own alternative-energy plant, which hoped to make biodiesel
>> from mixing vegetable oil with methane from cow manure culled on its
>> farms.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com  Tue Apr 24 10:56:57 2007
From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:56:57 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million
	gal/yearbiodiesel
In-Reply-To: <008601c78674$37a53250$1800a8c0@cleancities>
Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F8225@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>

Isn't there a law or something that states that the fuel has to have a
certain percentage of biodiesel to be claimed " biodiesel " for the
purpose of getting tax credits?
Sounds like a loophole that needs to be changed to me.

Cheryl G.

-----Original Message-----
From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
Tobin Freid
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:27 AM
To: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu; Marc ter Horst
Cc: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million
gal/yearbiodiesel


This is actually a big problem for the biodiesel industry.  In effect,
the 
big oil companies are trying to take advantage of the $1/gallon tax
credit 
originally created to spur biodiesel production and use.  They are
planning 
to blend a very small amount of vegetable oil with petrodiesel and then 
claim the credit.  This is not biodiesel in any sense of the word.  For
more 
information, see the NBB website:

http://www.biodiesel.org/news/07clicktrhrus/20070416_renewablediesel.sht
m



Tobin L. Freid
Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
Triangle J Council of Governments
(919) 558-9400

-- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters
--
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Ambrose" <MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com>
To: "Marc ter Horst" <terhorst at bellsouth.net>
Cc: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million
gal/year 
biodiesel


>I heard about this on the radio,  It sounded like a good project.  The
> only thing that annoyed me was that on the radio, Conoco Phillips said
> that they were not going to market their final product as biodiesel.
> They were going to blend the biodiesel in low percentages with the
> petrodiesel and just sell it as regular diesel.
>
> A 3-10% blend is probably a good way to use biodiesel made from animal
> fat because of its cold flow properties when used straight, but I
would
> like to see Conoco Phillips marketing it as a biodiesel blend to raise
> awareness of biofuels.
>
> -- Mark
>
> Marc ter Horst wrote:
>> Tyson, ConocoPhillips link up for biodiesel
>> By Michael Kanellos
>>
http://news.com.com/Tyson%2C+ConocoPhillips+link+up+for+biodiesel/2100-1
1392_3-6176812.html
>>
>>
>> Story last modified Tue Apr 17 12:19:52 PDT 2007
>>
>>
>> *Big oil, meet big meat.*
>>
>> Tyson Foods <http://www.tyson.com/>, one of the largest meat
processors
>> in the United States, is working with oil giant ConocoPhillips
>> <http://www.conocophillips.com> to produce and start selling
biodiesel
>>
<http://news.com.com/Fast-food+fat-future+fuel+for+cars/2100-1008_3-6157
412.html>
>> made from chicken, pork and poultry fat. The two companies have been
>> running processing trials in Tyson's Ireland facility.
>>
>> Biodiesel can be run in most diesel engines but burns cleaner than
>> regular diesel fuel. It emits less nitrous oxide and sulfur
compounds,
>> depending on how it is processed. It is also more carbon-neutral,
>> advocates say, because the carbon dioxide emitted by tailpipes
burning
>> biodiesel is captured from green plants. (Grass takes in carbon
dioxide
>> during photosynthesis, cows eat the grass, and then the cow fat gets
>> turned into gas, which releases the carbon dioxide).
>>
>> Diesel fuel made from fossil deposits releases carbon dioxide that
was
>> captured below the surface of the earth.
>>
>> Tyson formed a renewable-energy division last year. The company
>> generates about 2.3 billion pounds of animal fat a year in its
>> operations. The companies estimate that the operation could result in
>> 175 million gallons of biodiesel a year. ConocoPhillips said it will
>> invest $100 million in this project.
>>
>> Culling animal fat from the nation's slaughterhouses won't solve the
>> energy crisis
>>
<http://news.com.com/A+new+ally+in+the+energy+crisis+Termites/2100-11395
_3-6160269.html>.
>> The United States consumed about 62 billion gallons of diesel last
year.
>> Thus, Tyson's contribution would amount to less than 1 percent of the
>> overall diesel budget.
>>
>> Even if all of the deep-fryer grease and animal fat in the States
were
>> collected for fuel, it would still likely amount to only a small
>> percentage <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6165141.html> of the
diesel
>> supply.
>>
>> Still, it could add to the bottom line for both companies. On the
>> wholesale market, diesel sells for about $2 a gallon. The government
>> also offers subsidies ranging from 50 cents to $1 a gallon to ensure
>> that biodiesel, which is actually more expensive at the moment, stays
>> competitive with regular fossil fuel diesel.
>>
>> Biodiesel produced from animal fat is better-suited to fueling
>> industrial boilers than cars, according to University of Minnesota
>> professor Vernon Eidman
<http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6158550.html>.
>> Tyson and ConocoPhillips, however, said their biodiesel will be sold
for
>> the "on-road" diesel market. Biodiesel can also be mixed in with
regular
>> diesel.
>>
>> The two companies will begin to ramp up manufacturing facilities this

>> year.
>>
>> Converting waste oil or animal fat into biodiesel largely revolves
>> around removing glycerols, which increase viscosity, from the oil.
The
>> glycerols removed from the process can also be sold to other
customers
>> and chemical producers.
>>
>> Diesel engines can run on vegetable oil--Rudolf Diesel ran his first
>> engines on peanut oil--but the oil needs to be heated first, which
would
>> require modifications to the car.
>>
>> Although demand for fuel is high, alternative fuel remains a risky
>> business. Erecting refineries costs millions of dollars, and
>> fluctuations in the prices of crude oil and alternative-fuel
feedstock
>> can transform a company from profitable to loss-making. Several
ethanol
>> companies recently saw their profits evaporate after the price of
corn
>> shot up.
>>
>> Smithfield Foods <http://www.smithfieldfoods.com>, for instance,
>> canceled its own alternative-energy plant, which hoped to make
biodiesel
>> from mixing vegetable oil with methane from cow manure culled on its 
>> farms.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group 

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From tobin at tjcog.org  Tue Apr 24 11:17:03 2007
From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:17:03 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175
	milliongal/yearbiodiesel
References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F8225@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>
Message-ID: <014301c78683$adc1b760$1800a8c0@cleancities>

This is a major loophole that the oil lobbyists created in a late provision 
to the law.  It allows fuel made from thermal de-polymerization (TDP) to 
qualify for the biodiesel credit.  According to the NBB, "the TDP process is 
a new technology to turn hazardous wastes, plastics, and food wastes like 
poultry offal and carcasses into a boiler fuel.  Congress never had a chance 
to debate the provision, but it passed...."

The IRS recently decided that the TDP definition could include conventional 
petro refining by adding raw veggie and animal fats into their existing 
process.

The NBB and others are working to get this reversed.  The biodiesel 
community needs to step up and make a stink about this so the petro 
companies don't get away with it.

Tobin L. Freid
Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
Triangle J Council of Governments
(919) 558-9400

-- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters --
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ganter, Cheryl" <Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com>
To: "Tobin Freid" <tobin at tjcog.org>; <mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu>; "Marc 
ter Horst" <terhorst at bellsouth.net>
Cc: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 
milliongal/yearbiodiesel


> Isn't there a law or something that states that the fuel has to have a
> certain percentage of biodiesel to be claimed " biodiesel " for the
> purpose of getting tax credits?
> Sounds like a loophole that needs to be changed to me.
>
> Cheryl G.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
> Tobin Freid
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:27 AM
> To: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu; Marc ter Horst
> Cc: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
> Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million
> gal/yearbiodiesel
>
>
> This is actually a big problem for the biodiesel industry.  In effect,
> the
> big oil companies are trying to take advantage of the $1/gallon tax
> credit
> originally created to spur biodiesel production and use.  They are
> planning
> to blend a very small amount of vegetable oil with petrodiesel and then
> claim the credit.  This is not biodiesel in any sense of the word.  For
> more
> information, see the NBB website:
>
> http://www.biodiesel.org/news/07clicktrhrus/20070416_renewablediesel.sht
> m
>
>
>
> Tobin L. Freid
> Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
> Triangle J Council of Governments
> (919) 558-9400
>
> -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters
> --
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Ambrose" <MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com>
> To: "Marc ter Horst" <terhorst at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million
> gal/year
> biodiesel
>
>
>>I heard about this on the radio,  It sounded like a good project.  The
>> only thing that annoyed me was that on the radio, Conoco Phillips said
>> that they were not going to market their final product as biodiesel.
>> They were going to blend the biodiesel in low percentages with the
>> petrodiesel and just sell it as regular diesel.
>>
>> A 3-10% blend is probably a good way to use biodiesel made from animal
>> fat because of its cold flow properties when used straight, but I
> would
>> like to see Conoco Phillips marketing it as a biodiesel blend to raise
>> awareness of biofuels.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> Marc ter Horst wrote:
>>> Tyson, ConocoPhillips link up for biodiesel
>>> By Michael Kanellos
>>>
> http://news.com.com/Tyson%2C+ConocoPhillips+link+up+for+biodiesel/2100-1
> 1392_3-6176812.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Story last modified Tue Apr 17 12:19:52 PDT 2007
>>>
>>>
>>> *Big oil, meet big meat.*
>>>
>>> Tyson Foods <http://www.tyson.com/>, one of the largest meat
> processors
>>> in the United States, is working with oil giant ConocoPhillips
>>> <http://www.conocophillips.com> to produce and start selling
> biodiesel
>>>
> <http://news.com.com/Fast-food+fat-future+fuel+for+cars/2100-1008_3-6157
> 412.html>
>>> made from chicken, pork and poultry fat. The two companies have been
>>> running processing trials in Tyson's Ireland facility.
>>>
>>> Biodiesel can be run in most diesel engines but burns cleaner than
>>> regular diesel fuel. It emits less nitrous oxide and sulfur
> compounds,
>>> depending on how it is processed. It is also more carbon-neutral,
>>> advocates say, because the carbon dioxide emitted by tailpipes
> burning
>>> biodiesel is captured from green plants. (Grass takes in carbon
> dioxide
>>> during photosynthesis, cows eat the grass, and then the cow fat gets
>>> turned into gas, which releases the carbon dioxide).
>>>
>>> Diesel fuel made from fossil deposits releases carbon dioxide that
> was
>>> captured below the surface of the earth.
>>>
>>> Tyson formed a renewable-energy division last year. The company
>>> generates about 2.3 billion pounds of animal fat a year in its
>>> operations. The companies estimate that the operation could result in
>>> 175 million gallons of biodiesel a year. ConocoPhillips said it will
>>> invest $100 million in this project.
>>>
>>> Culling animal fat from the nation's slaughterhouses won't solve the
>>> energy crisis
>>>
> <http://news.com.com/A+new+ally+in+the+energy+crisis+Termites/2100-11395
> _3-6160269.html>.
>>> The United States consumed about 62 billion gallons of diesel last
> year.
>>> Thus, Tyson's contribution would amount to less than 1 percent of the
>>> overall diesel budget.
>>>
>>> Even if all of the deep-fryer grease and animal fat in the States
> were
>>> collected for fuel, it would still likely amount to only a small
>>> percentage <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6165141.html> of the
> diesel
>>> supply.
>>>
>>> Still, it could add to the bottom line for both companies. On the
>>> wholesale market, diesel sells for about $2 a gallon. The government
>>> also offers subsidies ranging from 50 cents to $1 a gallon to ensure
>>> that biodiesel, which is actually more expensive at the moment, stays
>>> competitive with regular fossil fuel diesel.
>>>
>>> Biodiesel produced from animal fat is better-suited to fueling
>>> industrial boilers than cars, according to University of Minnesota
>>> professor Vernon Eidman
> <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6158550.html>.
>>> Tyson and ConocoPhillips, however, said their biodiesel will be sold
> for
>>> the "on-road" diesel market. Biodiesel can also be mixed in with
> regular
>>> diesel.
>>>
>>> The two companies will begin to ramp up manufacturing facilities this
>
>>> year.
>>>
>>> Converting waste oil or animal fat into biodiesel largely revolves
>>> around removing glycerols, which increase viscosity, from the oil.
> The
>>> glycerols removed from the process can also be sold to other
> customers
>>> and chemical producers.
>>>
>>> Diesel engines can run on vegetable oil--Rudolf Diesel ran his first
>>> engines on peanut oil--but the oil needs to be heated first, which
> would
>>> require modifications to the car.
>>>
>>> Although demand for fuel is high, alternative fuel remains a risky
>>> business. Erecting refineries costs millions of dollars, and
>>> fluctuations in the prices of crude oil and alternative-fuel
> feedstock
>>> can transform a company from profitable to loss-making. Several
> ethanol
>>> companies recently saw their profits evaporate after the price of
> corn
>>> shot up.
>>>
>>> Smithfield Foods <http://www.smithfieldfoods.com>, for instance,
>>> canceled its own alternative-energy plant, which hoped to make
> biodiesel
>>> from mixing vegetable oil with methane from cow manure culled on its
>>> farms.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From realjuel at mac.com  Tue Apr 24 11:56:18 2007
From: realjuel at mac.com (Juel Duke)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:56:18 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] free hot water heater
Message-ID: <2EC895C4-6A11-4A9C-B440-6244DAA378F9@mac.com>

There is a hot water heater sitting at the curb in the Colony Woods  
neighborhood of Chapel Hill-on White Plains Road.  I see it when I'm  
walking the dog but don't know the owners or anything about it except  
that it's about 3 5 feet tall x 2 feet dia.  Might be worth someone  
picking it up.  Contact me if you need more directions.
Juel   realjuel at mac.com

From rachlh at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 24 14:01:22 2007
From: rachlh at yahoo.com (Rachel Hoff)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:01:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] clarification and letter writting.
Message-ID: <763362.71448.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Is someone going to take care of this:

--------------------  9  --------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:12:03 EDT
From: Frogofthecreek at aol.com
Subject: B20 Fuel

Just a note to let everyone, who has a hybrid car know
that the Shell Mini  
Mart, also known as Tuckers gas station located on
1161 East Street in 
Pittsboro  is now providing the B20 fuel. They are the
first in the Chatham County 
area to  provide this fuel, so go on down there and
check it  out.

It was posted on the chatlist this morning.
I believe there needs to be a bit of
clarification......



ALSO: I wrote my congressmen this morning about the
animal fat in dinodiesel.  I recommend you all take 5
seconds and do the same thing.

Good day to you all.
Rachel

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From letterrrrip at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 24 17:13:00 2007
From: letterrrrip at hotmail.com (Link Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:13:00 +0000
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million
	gal/yearbiodiesel
In-Reply-To: <008f01c78674$54a7cd40$1800a8c0@cleancities>
Message-ID: <BAY118-F15A55631A4F0563394E471BA4A0@phx.gbl>

Below is a sample letter that I sent to my state congressmen in opposition 
of the thermal de-polymerization extension to the biodiesel tax credit.  
Feel free to read it, use it or modify it to pass on to your representatives 
as well.
Peace,
Link

In the 2005 Energy Policy Act's biodiesel tax incentive extension, there is 
a dubious provision extending the incentive to thermal depolymerization.  
While this provision was never debated in congress, it passed with the 
incentive extension all the same.  Now ConocoPhillips and Tyson Foods are 
using the provision to receive the biodiesel-intended tax break on 
'renewable diesel'.  Understand that 'renewable diesel' in this context is 
simply conventional petroleum-based diesel fuel blended with vegetable oil 
produced from Tyson's chicken waste.  This is NOT 'biodiesel' as defined by 
ASTM 6751.  The provision for this 'renewable diesel' was inserted by 
Missouri Representative Roy Blunt who condemns the ConocoPhillips/Tyson 
activity.  He included the provision to support a small rising technology in 
his district (owned by Changing World Technologies).  Now, as stated by 
Brian Appel, the large oil and large large meat companies have 'hijacked' 
the provision.  If these two companies get away with this activity (as the 
IRS has ruled to allow) no fuel refining capacity will be added to America's 
infrastructure while a precedent will be set showing big oil companies they 
can misinterpret and mis-employ the law and make hundreds of millions of 
American tax dollars in the process.  This is NOT what the biodiesel tax 
extension intended and it is NOT helping decrease America's oil dependence.  
Please look into this issue and help close the loop-hole that ConocoPhillips 
and Tyson are attempting to slip through.
Thank you,


>From: "Tobin Freid" <tobin at tjcog.org>
>To: "Mark Ambrose" <mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu>,"Marc ter Horst" 
><terhorst at bellsouth.net>
>CC: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
>Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million 
>gal/yearbiodiesel
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:27:35 -0400
>
>This is actually a big problem for the biodiesel industry.  In effect, the
>big oil companies are trying to take advantage of the $1/gallon tax credit
>originally created to spur biodiesel production and use.  They are planning
>to blend a very small amount of vegetable oil or animal fat with 
>petrodiesel
>and then
>claim the credit.  This is not biodiesel in any sense of the word and will
>hurt the biodiesel industry.  For more
>information, see the NBB website:
>
>http://www.biodiesel.org/news/07clicktrhrus/20070416_renewablediesel.shtm
>
>Tobin L. Freid
>Triangle Clean Cities Coalition Coordinator
>Triangle J Council of Governments
>(919) 558-9400
>
>-- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters --
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Ambrose" <MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com>
>To: "Marc ter Horst" <terhorst at bellsouth.net>
>Cc: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million gal/year
>biodiesel
>
>
> >I heard about this on the radio,  It sounded like a good project.  The
> > only thing that annoyed me was that on the radio, Conoco Phillips said
> > that they were not going to market their final product as biodiesel.
> > They were going to blend the biodiesel in low percentages with the
> > petrodiesel and just sell it as regular diesel.
> >
> > A 3-10% blend is probably a good way to use biodiesel made from animal
> > fat because of its cold flow properties when used straight, but I would
> > like to see Conoco Phillips marketing it as a biodiesel blend to raise
> > awareness of biofuels.
> >
> > -- Mark
> >
> > Marc ter Horst wrote:
> >> Tyson, ConocoPhillips link up for biodiesel
> >> By Michael Kanellos
> >> 
>http://news.com.com/Tyson%2C+ConocoPhillips+link+up+for+biodiesel/2100-11392_3-6176812.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Story last modified Tue Apr 17 12:19:52 PDT 2007
> >>
> >>
> >> *Big oil, meet big meat.*
> >>
> >> Tyson Foods <http://www.tyson.com/>, one of the largest meat processors
> >> in the United States, is working with oil giant ConocoPhillips
> >> <http://www.conocophillips.com> to produce and start selling biodiesel
> >> 
><http://news.com.com/Fast-food+fat-future+fuel+for+cars/2100-1008_3-6157412.html>
> >> made from chicken, pork and poultry fat. The two companies have been
> >> running processing trials in Tyson's Ireland facility.
> >>
> >> Biodiesel can be run in most diesel engines but burns cleaner than
> >> regular diesel fuel. It emits less nitrous oxide and sulfur compounds,
> >> depending on how it is processed. It is also more carbon-neutral,
> >> advocates say, because the carbon dioxide emitted by tailpipes burning
> >> biodiesel is captured from green plants. (Grass takes in carbon dioxide
> >> during photosynthesis, cows eat the grass, and then the cow fat gets
> >> turned into gas, which releases the carbon dioxide).
> >>
> >> Diesel fuel made from fossil deposits releases carbon dioxide that was
> >> captured below the surface of the earth.
> >>
> >> Tyson formed a renewable-energy division last year. The company
> >> generates about 2.3 billion pounds of animal fat a year in its
> >> operations. The companies estimate that the operation could result in
> >> 175 million gallons of biodiesel a year. ConocoPhillips said it will
> >> invest $100 million in this project.
> >>
> >> Culling animal fat from the nation's slaughterhouses won't solve the
> >> energy crisis
> >> 
><http://news.com.com/A+new+ally+in+the+energy+crisis+Termites/2100-11395_3-6160269.html>.
> >> The United States consumed about 62 billion gallons of diesel last 
>year.
> >> Thus, Tyson's contribution would amount to less than 1 percent of the
> >> overall diesel budget.
> >>
> >> Even if all of the deep-fryer grease and animal fat in the States were
> >> collected for fuel, it would still likely amount to only a small
> >> percentage <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6165141.html> of the 
>diesel
> >> supply.
> >>
> >> Still, it could add to the bottom line for both companies. On the
> >> wholesale market, diesel sells for about $2 a gallon. The government
> >> also offers subsidies ranging from 50 cents to $1 a gallon to ensure
> >> that biodiesel, which is actually more expensive at the moment, stays
> >> competitive with regular fossil fuel diesel.
> >>
> >> Biodiesel produced from animal fat is better-suited to fueling
> >> industrial boilers than cars, according to University of Minnesota
> >> professor Vernon Eidman 
><http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6158550.html>.
> >> Tyson and ConocoPhillips, however, said their biodiesel will be sold 
>for
> >> the "on-road" diesel market. Biodiesel can also be mixed in with 
>regular
> >> diesel.
> >>
> >> The two companies will begin to ramp up manufacturing facilities this
> >> year.
> >>
> >> Converting waste oil or animal fat into biodiesel largely revolves
> >> around removing glycerols, which increase viscosity, from the oil. The
> >> glycerols removed from the process can also be sold to other customers
> >> and chemical producers.
> >>
> >> Diesel engines can run on vegetable oil--Rudolf Diesel ran his first
> >> engines on peanut oil--but the oil needs to be heated first, which 
>would
> >> require modifications to the car.
> >>
> >> Although demand for fuel is high, alternative fuel remains a risky
> >> business. Erecting refineries costs millions of dollars, and
> >> fluctuations in the prices of crude oil and alternative-fuel feedstock
> >> can transform a company from profitable to loss-making. Several ethanol
> >> companies recently saw their profits evaporate after the price of corn
> >> shot up.
> >>
> >> Smithfield Foods <http://www.smithfieldfoods.com>, for instance,
> >> canceled its own alternative-energy plant, which hoped to make 
>biodiesel
> >> from mixing vegetable oil with methane from cow manure culled on its
> >> farms.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> >> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
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From ncbiodiesel at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 24 18:52:07 2007
From: ncbiodiesel at yahoo.com (Rebo Sullivan)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net GHG
	emissions than petrodiesel?
Message-ID: <429988.93846.qm@web56710.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'm not following the article below quite right, and
I guess I don't understand what's special and weird
about harvesting rapeseed:  "two-thirds of the
emissions produced by rapeseed derived biodiesel
(RME) occur during farming of the crop, when
cropland emits nitrous oxide.."

"Cropland emits nitrous oxide?"  Are rapeseed farmers
just laughing uncontrollably during harvest?  If
someone on the list has insight on this I'd appreciate
it.

thanks,
Rebo


> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Chemistry & Industry
>  April 23, 2007  
> European Union (EU) legislation to promote the
> uptake of biodiesel will not make any difference to
> global warming, and could potentially result in
> greater emissions of greenhouse gases than from
> conventional petroleum derived diesel. This is the
> conclusion of a new study reported today in
> Chemistry & Industry.
>  
>  Analysts at SRI Consulting compared the emissions
> of greenhouse gases by the two fuels across their
> overall life cycles from production to combustion in
> cars. 
>   The results show that biodiesel derived from
> rapeseed grown on dedicated farmland emits nearly
> the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions (defined
> as CO2 equivalents) per km driven as does
> conventional diesel. 
>   However, if the land used to grow rapeseed was
> instead used to grow trees, petroleum diesel would
> emit only a third of the CO2 equivalent emissions as
> biodiesel. 
>   Petroleum diesel emits 85% of its greenhouse gases
> at the final stage, when burnt in the engine. By
> contrast, two-thirds of the emissions produced by
> rapeseed derived biodiesel (RME) occur during
> farming of the crop, when cropland emits nitrous
> oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas, that
> is 200-300x as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2.
>  
>  The results of this analysis should have big
> implications for policymakers. The 2003 EU Biofuels
> Directive aims to increase the levels of biofuels to
> 5.75% of all transport fuels by 2010, up from
> roughly 2% currently. This will be further increased
> to a 10% share in 2010, the Commission announced in
> January this year. 
>   Transportation currently accounts for more than a
> fifth of all greenhouse gas emissions emitted in the
> EU. Rapeseed-derived biodiesel is the major
> renewables-derived biofuel used across Europe and,
> as well as helping to improve energy security, is
> expected to play an important role in helping to
> meet the EU's Kyoto commitment to reduce levels of
> greenhouse gas emissions by 8% by 2012 relative to
> 1990 levels, and by 20% by 2020.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From mattr at biofuels.coop  Tue Apr 24 21:44:07 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:44:07 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiversity Work Day
Message-ID: <2BF88FE2-72AE-4EAC-B19A-CE167BE491F7@biofuels.coop>

  Piedmont Biofuels?s Biodiversity project:

planting for
birds, bees, and butterflies

Announcing a Biodiversity planting WORK DAY in Pittsboro!
Saturday, April 28th, 10am-3pm

Deborah Eagle and Debbie Roos have designed a horticulture plan using  
native species beneficial to pollinators and Piedmont Biofuels  
Industrial was the chosen site!

Beds have been prepared and we?re looking for planting Volunteers.   
Bring your rakes and shovels, hand trowels, gloves.  Also bring a bag  
lunch, and over lunch Deborah will lead an educational tour of the  
beds: learn about how to choose native plants and planting designs  
that provide nutrition for our pollinators, and see ECOs bee hives!


Please pass on to anyone interested!
If you can join us, please rsvp to Tes at tes at unc.edu for details and  
directions to the site.


p.s. Lyle Estill will also be willing to give a tour of Industrial  
and Biodiesel production!




From mattr at biofuels.coop  Tue Apr 24 21:45:35 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:45:35 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Biodiversity Project
References: <EA433CB8-221A-4A80-82BA-0B4A9922D47D@blast.com>
Message-ID: <2A9B3683-937D-46C3-984B-428CDB79F3D2@biofuels.coop>


> Biodiversity Planting Project
>
> Who:  A mysterious funder who is unnerved by Chatham County  
> development.
>
> Where:  Piedmont Biofuels Industrial, on the east side of  
> Pittsboro.  See http://biofuels.coop/industrial-directions/
>
> When:  Saturday, April 28th at 10:00 until afternoon.
>
> What:  Planting native plant varieties where there once was turf.   
> Landscape architect Deborah Eagle will be on hand for a tour of  
> plants.  She knows about indigenous, drought resistance varieties,  
> plant nutrition for birds, bugs, and beneficials, and why we should  
> replace imported grasses with plant material that could improve our  
> environment.
>
> Bring a shovel, or gloves, or both, and prepare to "dig it."  Or  
> simply show up and we will see what we can do...
>
> While you are at it, you will be able to snag a tour of the  
> Biodiesel Plant.
>
> Why:  Because there are enough places to golf.  And we could use  
> some space for insects... And we could use some help to make this  
> project happen.


From admin at metrolinabiofuels.com  Tue Apr 24 19:08:59 2007
From: admin at metrolinabiofuels.com (Justin Ruckman)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:08:59 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Metrolina Biofuels @ UNCC Earth Day
Message-ID: <15ebb1a00704241608u56ae3beeja7614de949d77c47@mail.gmail.com>

http://facilities.uncc.edu/recycling/

Scroll down the page, check the photo.

Justin

From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com  Wed Apr 25 08:08:49 2007
From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net
	GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
In-Reply-To: <429988.93846.qm@web56710.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F822C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>

I agree that it is hard to follow. It contradicts itself, making it
hard to figure out what their point is...
And the nitrous oxide produced during harvest is a new one on me...

Cheryl


-----Original Message-----
From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
Rebo Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:52 PM
To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net
GHGemissions than petrodiesel?


I'm not following the article below quite right, and
I guess I don't understand what's special and weird
about harvesting rapeseed:  "two-thirds of the
emissions produced by rapeseed derived biodiesel
(RME) occur during farming of the crop, when
cropland emits nitrous oxide.."

"Cropland emits nitrous oxide?"  Are rapeseed farmers
just laughing uncontrollably during harvest?  If
someone on the list has insight on this I'd appreciate
it.

thanks,
Rebo


> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Chemistry & Industry
>  April 23, 2007  
> European Union (EU) legislation to promote the
> uptake of biodiesel will not make any difference to
> global warming, and could potentially result in
> greater emissions of greenhouse gases than from
> conventional petroleum derived diesel. This is the
> conclusion of a new study reported today in
> Chemistry & Industry.
>  
>  Analysts at SRI Consulting compared the emissions
> of greenhouse gases by the two fuels across their
> overall life cycles from production to combustion in
> cars. 
>   The results show that biodiesel derived from
> rapeseed grown on dedicated farmland emits nearly
> the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions (defined
> as CO2 equivalents) per km driven as does
> conventional diesel. 
>   However, if the land used to grow rapeseed was
> instead used to grow trees, petroleum diesel would
> emit only a third of the CO2 equivalent emissions as
> biodiesel. 
>   Petroleum diesel emits 85% of its greenhouse gases
> at the final stage, when burnt in the engine. By
> contrast, two-thirds of the emissions produced by
> rapeseed derived biodiesel (RME) occur during
> farming of the crop, when cropland emits nitrous
> oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas, that
> is 200-300x as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2.
>  
>  The results of this analysis should have big
> implications for policymakers. The 2003 EU Biofuels
> Directive aims to increase the levels of biofuels to
> 5.75% of all transport fuels by 2010, up from
> roughly 2% currently. This will be further increased
> to a 10% share in 2010, the Commission announced in
> January this year. 
>   Transportation currently accounts for more than a
> fifth of all greenhouse gas emissions emitted in the
> EU. Rapeseed-derived biodiesel is the major
> renewables-derived biofuel used across Europe and,
> as well as helping to improve energy security, is
> expected to play an important role in helping to
> meet the EU's Kyoto commitment to reduce levels of
> greenhouse gas emissions by 8% by 2012 relative to
> 1990 levels, and by 20% by 2020.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From biodiesel at yovo.info  Wed Apr 25 09:02:34 2007
From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:02:34 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater
 net	GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
In-Reply-To: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F822C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>
References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F822C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>
Message-ID: <462F516A.2010201@yovo.info>

This analysis does not consider that biofuel emits carbon that was taken 
out of the atmosphere by the plants (assuming sustainable farming 
practices). Fossil fuels release carbon that was bound under ground and 
thus not present in the atmosphere for a very long time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             J?rgen Henn
          2002 Jetta TDI
  40/50 MPG on biodiesel
http://words.yovo.info/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ganter, Cheryl wrote:
> I agree that it is hard to follow. It contradicts itself, making it
> hard to figure out what their point is...
> And the nitrous oxide produced during harvest is a new one on me...
> 
> Cheryl
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
> Rebo Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:52 PM
> To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net
> GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
> 
> 
> I'm not following the article below quite right, and
> I guess I don't understand what's special and weird
> about harvesting rapeseed:  "two-thirds of the
> emissions produced by rapeseed derived biodiesel
> (RME) occur during farming of the crop, when
> cropland emits nitrous oxide.."
> 
> "Cropland emits nitrous oxide?"  Are rapeseed farmers
> just laughing uncontrollably during harvest?  If
> someone on the list has insight on this I'd appreciate
> it.
> 
> thanks,
> Rebo
> 
> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Chemistry & Industry
>>  April 23, 2007  
>> European Union (EU) legislation to promote the
>> uptake of biodiesel will not make any difference to
>> global warming, and could potentially result in
>> greater emissions of greenhouse gases than from
>> conventional petroleum derived diesel. This is the
>> conclusion of a new study reported today in
>> Chemistry & Industry.
>>  
>>  Analysts at SRI Consulting compared the emissions
>> of greenhouse gases by the two fuels across their
>> overall life cycles from production to combustion in
>> cars. 
>>   The results show that biodiesel derived from
>> rapeseed grown on dedicated farmland emits nearly
>> the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions (defined
>> as CO2 equivalents) per km driven as does
>> conventional diesel. 
>>   However, if the land used to grow rapeseed was
>> instead used to grow trees, petroleum diesel would
>> emit only a third of the CO2 equivalent emissions as
>> biodiesel. 
>>   Petroleum diesel emits 85% of its greenhouse gases
>> at the final stage, when burnt in the engine. By
>> contrast, two-thirds of the emissions produced by
>> rapeseed derived biodiesel (RME) occur during
>> farming of the crop, when cropland emits nitrous
>> oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas, that
>> is 200-300x as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2.
>>  
>>  The results of this analysis should have big
>> implications for policymakers. The 2003 EU Biofuels
>> Directive aims to increase the levels of biofuels to
>> 5.75% of all transport fuels by 2010, up from
>> roughly 2% currently. This will be further increased
>> to a 10% share in 2010, the Commission announced in
>> January this year. 
>>   Transportation currently accounts for more than a
>> fifth of all greenhouse gas emissions emitted in the
>> EU. Rapeseed-derived biodiesel is the major
>> renewables-derived biofuel used across Europe and,
>> as well as helping to improve energy security, is
>> expected to play an important role in helping to
>> meet the EU's Kyoto commitment to reduce levels of
>> greenhouse gas emissions by 8% by 2012 relative to
>> 1990 levels, and by 20% by 2020.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
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From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com  Wed Apr 25 09:10:31 2007
From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:10:31 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater
	net	GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
In-Reply-To: <462F516A.2010201@yovo.info>
Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F8231@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>

The only thing I can figure is that they are saying the farm equipment used to harvest the rapeseed is putting carbon
in the atmosphere. And you would think the analysts would have a clue about the difference between carbon from fossil fuels
and carbon from plants, but maybe not...



-----Original Message-----
From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Jurgen Henn
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:03 AM
To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net GHGemissions than petrodiesel?


This analysis does not consider that biofuel emits carbon that was taken 
out of the atmosphere by the plants (assuming sustainable farming 
practices). Fossil fuels release carbon that was bound under ground and 
thus not present in the atmosphere for a very long time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             J?rgen Henn
          2002 Jetta TDI
  40/50 MPG on biodiesel
http://words.yovo.info/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ganter, Cheryl wrote:
> I agree that it is hard to follow. It contradicts itself, making it
> hard to figure out what their point is...
> And the nitrous oxide produced during harvest is a new one on me...
> 
> Cheryl
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
> Rebo Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:52 PM
> To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net
> GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
> 
> 
> I'm not following the article below quite right, and
> I guess I don't understand what's special and weird
> about harvesting rapeseed:  "two-thirds of the
> emissions produced by rapeseed derived biodiesel
> (RME) occur during farming of the crop, when
> cropland emits nitrous oxide.."
> 
> "Cropland emits nitrous oxide?"  Are rapeseed farmers
> just laughing uncontrollably during harvest?  If
> someone on the list has insight on this I'd appreciate
> it.
> 
> thanks,
> Rebo
> 
> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Chemistry & Industry
>>  April 23, 2007  
>> European Union (EU) legislation to promote the
>> uptake of biodiesel will not make any difference to
>> global warming, and could potentially result in
>> greater emissions of greenhouse gases than from
>> conventional petroleum derived diesel. This is the
>> conclusion of a new study reported today in
>> Chemistry & Industry.
>>  
>>  Analysts at SRI Consulting compared the emissions
>> of greenhouse gases by the two fuels across their
>> overall life cycles from production to combustion in
>> cars. 
>>   The results show that biodiesel derived from
>> rapeseed grown on dedicated farmland emits nearly
>> the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions (defined
>> as CO2 equivalents) per km driven as does
>> conventional diesel. 
>>   However, if the land used to grow rapeseed was
>> instead used to grow trees, petroleum diesel would
>> emit only a third of the CO2 equivalent emissions as
>> biodiesel. 
>>   Petroleum diesel emits 85% of its greenhouse gases
>> at the final stage, when burnt in the engine. By
>> contrast, two-thirds of the emissions produced by
>> rapeseed derived biodiesel (RME) occur during
>> farming of the crop, when cropland emits nitrous
>> oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas, that
>> is 200-300x as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2.
>>  
>>  The results of this analysis should have big
>> implications for policymakers. The 2003 EU Biofuels
>> Directive aims to increase the levels of biofuels to
>> 5.75% of all transport fuels by 2010, up from
>> roughly 2% currently. This will be further increased
>> to a 10% share in 2010, the Commission announced in
>> January this year. 
>>   Transportation currently accounts for more than a
>> fifth of all greenhouse gas emissions emitted in the
>> EU. Rapeseed-derived biodiesel is the major
>> renewables-derived biofuel used across Europe and,
>> as well as helping to improve energy security, is
>> expected to play an important role in helping to
>> meet the EU's Kyoto commitment to reduce levels of
>> greenhouse gas emissions by 8% by 2012 relative to
>> 1990 levels, and by 20% by 2020.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
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From mattr at biofuels.coop  Wed Apr 25 10:01:18 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:01:18 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Mobilizing NC Post-Conference Info
References: <000101c7873e$48dec6b0$14290e98@engr.ad.ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <E3F99ECF-CDDB-465C-8360-6FC6C7E369A2@biofuels.coop>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Ruchi G. Singhal" <ruchi_singhal at ncsu.edu>
> Date: April 25, 2007 9:32:12 AM EDT
> To: "Ruchi G. Singhal" <ruchi_singhal at ncsu.edu>
> Subject: Mobilizing NC Post-Conference Info
> Reply-To: <Ruchi_Singhal at ncsu.edu>
>
> Hello Mobilizing NC conference participants:
>
>
>
> Thanks for attending the April 18, Mobilizing NC conference in  
> Greensboro.  We had over 330 people attend the conference and are  
> hearing positive feedback.
>
>
>
> The Mobilizing NC Post-Conference Information is now available.
>
>
>
> Please go to ***OUR NEW WEBSITE***,  www.ncmobilecare.org to find;
>
>
>
> ?           Presentations from some of the speakers
>
>
>
> ?           Podcasts to hear the audio from the presentations
>
>
>
> ?           Listing of the 2007 Mobile CARE awardees
>
>
>
> ?           Pictures from the conference, resources, and more
>
>
>
> Note: Dr. Leakey?s Podcast will only be available through May 1st,  
> so pass the word and take a listen to the great information that  
> was given out at the 2007 Mobilizing NCConference.
>
>
>
> Bookmark our new website, www.ncmobilecare.org, we?ll be posting  
> more transportation success stories and policy topics in the very  
> near future.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ruchi
>
>
>
>
>
>

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From markj.ambrose at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 10:57:07 2007
From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:57:07 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater
 net	GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
In-Reply-To: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F822C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>
References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F822C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>
Message-ID: <462F6C43.4020203@gmail.com>

Here's my take on this.

1) We really need to see the original journal article or report.  It is 
hard to make any judgments from a piece like this, which is a press 
release or article for the popular media, because details are left out 
and we don't know how accurately they are interpreting the original 
findings.

2) I think their analysis is based on land use and must include some 
assumptions about what land will be used for if it is not used to grow 
rapeseed.  I am guessing that they are comparing growing rapeseed with 
keeping land in forest (or returning excess farm land to forest).  It is 
well known that when forest land is cleared and put into agriculture the 
soil microbiology changes.  The soil is warmer because more sun reaches 
it; we adjust the pH to be optimal for our crops by adding lime; we 
fertilize; we till the soil aerating it.  All of these change the 
microbes in the soil and the soil chemistry.  As a result, it is 
possible to  have increased amounts of  nitrous oxide produced in the 
soil.  And because is so much more powerful a greenhouse gas than CO2, a 
small increase in nitrous oxide could cancel out most of the carbon 
emissions reduction.

3) Questions that I have: 
       Where were they assuming the rapeseed would be grown?  The 
changes in soil chemistry associated with land-use change vary a great 
deal with climate.
       Were the increased nitrous oxide emissions found to be a one time 
spike associated with a land-use change or were they continuous so long 
as land was maintained in agriculture?
       Can nitrous oxide emissions be reduced by modifying farming 
practices?

-- Mark


Ganter, Cheryl wrote:
> I agree that it is hard to follow. It contradicts itself, making it
> hard to figure out what their point is...
> And the nitrous oxide produced during harvest is a new one on me...
>
> Cheryl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
> Rebo Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:52 PM
> To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net
> GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
>
>
> I'm not following the article below quite right, and
> I guess I don't understand what's special and weird
> about harvesting rapeseed:  "two-thirds of the
> emissions produced by rapeseed derived biodiesel
> (RME) occur during farming of the crop, when
> cropland emits nitrous oxide.."
>
> "Cropland emits nitrous oxide?"  Are rapeseed farmers
> just laughing uncontrollably during harvest?  If
> someone on the list has insight on this I'd appreciate
> it.
>
> thanks,
> Rebo
>
>
>   
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Chemistry & Industry
>>  April 23, 2007  
>> European Union (EU) legislation to promote the
>> uptake of biodiesel will not make any difference to
>> global warming, and could potentially result in
>> greater emissions of greenhouse gases than from
>> conventional petroleum derived diesel. This is the
>> conclusion of a new study reported today in
>> Chemistry & Industry.
>>  
>>  Analysts at SRI Consulting compared the emissions
>> of greenhouse gases by the two fuels across their
>> overall life cycles from production to combustion in
>> cars. 
>>   The results show that biodiesel derived from
>> rapeseed grown on dedicated farmland emits nearly
>> the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions (defined
>> as CO2 equivalents) per km driven as does
>> conventional diesel. 
>>   However, if the land used to grow rapeseed was
>> instead used to grow trees, petroleum diesel would
>> emit only a third of the CO2 equivalent emissions as
>> biodiesel. 
>>   Petroleum diesel emits 85% of its greenhouse gases
>> at the final stage, when burnt in the engine. By
>> contrast, two-thirds of the emissions produced by
>> rapeseed derived biodiesel (RME) occur during
>> farming of the crop, when cropland emits nitrous
>> oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas, that
>> is 200-300x as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2.
>>  
>>  The results of this analysis should have big
>> implications for policymakers. The 2003 EU Biofuels
>> Directive aims to increase the levels of biofuels to
>> 5.75% of all transport fuels by 2010, up from
>> roughly 2% currently. This will be further increased
>> to a 10% share in 2010, the Commission announced in
>> January this year. 
>>   Transportation currently accounts for more than a
>> fifth of all greenhouse gas emissions emitted in the
>> EU. Rapeseed-derived biodiesel is the major
>> renewables-derived biofuel used across Europe and,
>> as well as helping to improve energy security, is
>> expected to play an important role in helping to
>> meet the EU's Kyoto commitment to reduce levels of
>> greenhouse gas emissions by 8% by 2012 relative to
>> 1990 levels, and by 20% by 2020.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>     
>
>
>
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From markj.ambrose at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 11:24:59 2007
From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:24:59 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NOx in Agriculture
Message-ID: <462F72CB.5070401@gmail.com>

Forwarded to the list by request:

-----------------------------------------

Mark:

I can't change my email format in Hotmail to plain text, so I can't send 
this to the list.  Can you pass this info along?

An interesting paper that looks at NOx in agriculture - 
http://www.igac.noaa.gov/newsletter/highlights/1998/n2o.php

Increased nitrous oxide is linked to increased applications of synthetic 
nitrogen fertilizers.  Makes sense since only a small percentage of the 
added nitrogen is available to the plants.  This should be another 
argument for cover crops, composted manures and other "organic" and 
sustainable nitrogen inputs in agriculture.

Trace

From David.Little at nc.usda.gov  Wed Apr 25 13:56:08 2007
From: David.Little at nc.usda.gov (Little, David - Wilson, NC)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:56:08 -0500
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Nitrous Oxide
Message-ID: <1447032AC8D9F54AA935A2BEF04D86D9EA30B5@MOSTLOUIS2S301.ageast.one.usda.gov>

"Cropland emits nitrous oxide?"

Nitrous Oxide is produced when fields that have been fertilized with
nitrogen become waterlogged by excessive rain.  It's a natural,
bacterial process in oxygen depleted soils.

Dave Little

From wrightmw at wfu.edu  Thu Apr 26 11:36:39 2007
From: wrightmw at wfu.edu (Marcus Wright)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:36:39 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NOx in Agriculture
In-Reply-To: <462F72CB.5070401@gmail.com>
References: <462F72CB.5070401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4630C707.1070902@wfu.edu>

I once saw a paper (ref escape me now) that stated the press cake from 
canola could be tilled into the next year's crop for all it's nitrogen 
and sulfur requirements.  From talking with farmers nitrate prices have 
really increased and sometimes using less nitrate will actually increase 
profits.  They can looks at the number of spring tillers (the amount of 
branching from the parent stalk) and estimate how much and when to add 
nitrogen.. Dr. Randy Weiszat at NC State looks at nitrogen timing.  
Would be neat to see the economics of using the press cake for 
fertilizers vs.selling for feed, sure somebody has run the numbers.

mww

On 4/25/2007 11:24 AM, Mark J. Ambrose wrote:

>Forwarded to the list by request:
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>Mark:
>
>I can't change my email format in Hotmail to plain text, so I can't send 
>this to the list.  Can you pass this info along?
>
>An interesting paper that looks at NOx in agriculture - 
>http://www.igac.noaa.gov/newsletter/highlights/1998/n2o.php
>
>Increased nitrous oxide is linked to increased applications of synthetic 
>nitrogen fertilizers.  Makes sense since only a small percentage of the 
>added nitrogen is available to the plants.  This should be another 
>argument for cover crops, composted manures and other "organic" and 
>sustainable nitrogen inputs in agriculture.
>
>Trace
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From mattr at biofuels.coop  Fri Apr 27 00:19:02 2007
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:19:02 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: svo car for sale
References: <b88479e30704262047y55d767dfx1d4283efa856eeab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DDBC763-271E-4204-AE6F-7932AB32BB71@biofuels.coop>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bodes <bodefamily at gmail.com>
> Date: April 26, 2007 11:47:39 PM EDT
> To: "Matthew Rudolf" <mattr at biofuels.coop>
> Subject: svo car for sale
>
> Hi Matt
> I changed the ad for the Mercedes a little and thought I should  
> pass the URL along again.
> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/318475257.html.
> Thanks again for helping spread this around.
> Ray

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop



From bob_paulson at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 27 01:01:05 2007
From: bob_paulson at hotmail.com (jason whitman)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:01:05 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] biofuel imports seem to defeat the
	purpose and hurt the cause
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10372.1177647110.25899.biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F32C6BD24260A5C4FE707B8854F0@phx.gbl>

i think this sends a mixed message and confuses matters
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18332282

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>    2. Fwd: Mobilizing NC Post-Conference Info (Matthew Rudolf)
>    3. Re: Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net	GHGemissions than
>       petrodiesel? (Mark J. Ambrose)
>    4. NOx in Agriculture (Mark J. Ambrose)
>    5. Nitrous Oxide (Little, David - Wilson, NC)
>    6. Re: NOx in Agriculture (Marcus Wright)
>    7. Fwd: svo car for sale (Matthew Rudolf)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:10:31 -0400
>From: "Ganter, Cheryl" <Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater
>	net	GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
>To: "Jurgen Henn" <biodiesel at yovo.info>,
>	<biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
>Message-ID:
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>The only thing I can figure is that they are saying the farm equipment used 
>to harvest the rapeseed is putting carbon
>in the atmosphere. And you would think the analysts would have a clue about 
>the difference between carbon from fossil fuels
>and carbon from plants, but maybe not...
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net 
>[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Jurgen 
>Henn
>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:03 AM
>To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
>Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net 
>GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
>
>
>This analysis does not consider that biofuel emits carbon that was taken
>out of the atmosphere by the plants (assuming sustainable farming
>practices). Fossil fuels release carbon that was bound under ground and
>thus not present in the atmosphere for a very long time.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>              J?rgen Henn
>           2002 Jetta TDI
>   40/50 MPG on biodiesel
>http://words.yovo.info/
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Ganter, Cheryl wrote:
> > I agree that it is hard to follow. It contradicts itself, making it
> > hard to figure out what their point is...
> > And the nitrous oxide produced during harvest is a new one on me...
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
> > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
> > Rebo Sullivan
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:52 PM
> > To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
> > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net
> > GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
> >
> >
> > I'm not following the article below quite right, and
> > I guess I don't understand what's special and weird
> > about harvesting rapeseed:  "two-thirds of the
> > emissions produced by rapeseed derived biodiesel
> > (RME) occur during farming of the crop, when
> > cropland emits nitrous oxide.."
> >
> > "Cropland emits nitrous oxide?"  Are rapeseed farmers
> > just laughing uncontrollably during harvest?  If
> > someone on the list has insight on this I'd appreciate
> > it.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Rebo
> >
> >
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> Chemistry & Industry
> >>  April 23, 2007
> >> European Union (EU) legislation to promote the
> >> uptake of biodiesel will not make any difference to
> >> global warming, and could potentially result in
> >> greater emissions of greenhouse gases than from
> >> conventional petroleum derived diesel. This is the
> >> conclusion of a new study reported today in
> >> Chemistry & Industry.
> >>
> >>  Analysts at SRI Consulting compared the emissions
> >> of greenhouse gases by the two fuels across their
> >> overall life cycles from production to combustion in
> >> cars.
> >>   The results show that biodiesel derived from
> >> rapeseed grown on dedicated farmland emits nearly
> >> the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions (defined
> >> as CO2 equivalents) per km driven as does
> >> conventional diesel.
> >>   However, if the land used to grow rapeseed was
> >> instead used to grow trees, petroleum diesel would
> >> emit only a third of the CO2 equivalent emissions as
> >> biodiesel.
> >>   Petroleum diesel emits 85% of its greenhouse gases
> >> at the final stage, when burnt in the engine. By
> >> contrast, two-thirds of the emissions produced by
> >> rapeseed derived biodiesel (RME) occur during
> >> farming of the crop, when cropland emits nitrous
> >> oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas, that
> >> is 200-300x as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2.
> >>
> >>  The results of this analysis should have big
> >> implications for policymakers. The 2003 EU Biofuels
> >> Directive aims to increase the levels of biofuels to
> >> 5.75% of all transport fuels by 2010, up from
> >> roughly 2% currently. This will be further increased
> >> to a 10% share in 2010, the Commission announced in
> >> January this year.
> >>   Transportation currently accounts for more than a
> >> fifth of all greenhouse gas emissions emitted in the
> >> EU. Rapeseed-derived biodiesel is the major
> >> renewables-derived biofuel used across Europe and,
> >> as well as helping to improve energy security, is
> >> expected to play an important role in helping to
> >> meet the EU's Kyoto commitment to reduce levels of
> >> greenhouse gas emissions by 8% by 2012 relative to
> >> 1990 levels, and by 20% by 2020.
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:01:18 -0400
>From: Matthew Rudolf <mattr at biofuels.coop>
>Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Mobilizing NC Post-Conference
>	Info
>To: BIG List <Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net>
>Message-ID: <E3F99ECF-CDDB-465C-8360-6FC6C7E369A2 at biofuels.coop>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes;
>	format=flowed
>
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: "Ruchi G. Singhal" <ruchi_singhal at ncsu.edu>
> > Date: April 25, 2007 9:32:12 AM EDT
> > To: "Ruchi G. Singhal" <ruchi_singhal at ncsu.edu>
> > Subject: Mobilizing NC Post-Conference Info
> > Reply-To: <Ruchi_Singhal at ncsu.edu>
> >
> > Hello Mobilizing NC conference participants:
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for attending the April 18, Mobilizing NC conference in
> > Greensboro.  We had over 330 people attend the conference and are
> > hearing positive feedback.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Mobilizing NC Post-Conference Information is now available.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please go to ***OUR NEW WEBSITE***,  www.ncmobilecare.org to find;
> >
> >
> >
> > ?           Presentations from some of the speakers
> >
> >
> >
> > ?           Podcasts to hear the audio from the presentations
> >
> >
> >
> > ?           Listing of the 2007 Mobile CARE awardees
> >
> >
> >
> > ?           Pictures from the conference, resources, and more
> >
> >
> >
> > Note: Dr. Leakey?s Podcast will only be available through May 1st,
> > so pass the word and take a listen to the great information that
> > was given out at the 2007 Mobilizing NCConference.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bookmark our new website, www.ncmobilecare.org, we?ll be posting
> > more transportation success stories and policy topics in the very
> > near future.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ruchi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>Matthew Rudolf
>Piedmont Biofuels
>www.biofuels.coop
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:57:07 -0400
>From: "Mark J. Ambrose" <markj.ambrose at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater
>	net	GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
>To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
>Message-ID: <462F6C43.4020203 at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Here's my take on this.
>
>1) We really need to see the original journal article or report.  It is
>hard to make any judgments from a piece like this, which is a press
>release or article for the popular media, because details are left out
>and we don't know how accurately they are interpreting the original
>findings.
>
>2) I think their analysis is based on land use and must include some
>assumptions about what land will be used for if it is not used to grow
>rapeseed.  I am guessing that they are comparing growing rapeseed with
>keeping land in forest (or returning excess farm land to forest).  It is
>well known that when forest land is cleared and put into agriculture the
>soil microbiology changes.  The soil is warmer because more sun reaches
>it; we adjust the pH to be optimal for our crops by adding lime; we
>fertilize; we till the soil aerating it.  All of these change the
>microbes in the soil and the soil chemistry.  As a result, it is
>possible to  have increased amounts of  nitrous oxide produced in the
>soil.  And because is so much more powerful a greenhouse gas than CO2, a
>small increase in nitrous oxide could cancel out most of the carbon
>emissions reduction.
>
>3) Questions that I have:
>        Where were they assuming the rapeseed would be grown?  The
>changes in soil chemistry associated with land-use change vary a great
>deal with climate.
>        Were the increased nitrous oxide emissions found to be a one time
>spike associated with a land-use change or were they continuous so long
>as land was maintained in agriculture?
>        Can nitrous oxide emissions be reduced by modifying farming
>practices?
>
>-- Mark
>
>
>Ganter, Cheryl wrote:
> > I agree that it is hard to follow. It contradicts itself, making it
> > hard to figure out what their point is...
> > And the nitrous oxide produced during harvest is a new one on me...
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
> > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
> > Rebo Sullivan
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:52 PM
> > To: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
> > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rapeseed biodiesel - greater net
> > GHGemissions than petrodiesel?
> >
> >
> > I'm not following the article below quite right, and
> > I guess I don't understand what's special and weird
> > about harvesting rapeseed:  "two-thirds of the
> > emissions produced by rapeseed derived biodiesel
> > (RME) occur during farming of the crop, when
> > cropland emits nitrous oxide.."
> >
> > "Cropland emits nitrous oxide?"  Are rapeseed farmers
> > just laughing uncontrollably during harvest?  If
> > someone on the list has insight on this I'd appreciate
> > it.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Rebo
> >
> >
> >
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> Chemistry & Industry
> >>  April 23, 2007
> >> European Union (EU) legislation to promote the
> >> uptake of biodiesel will not make any difference to
> >> global warming, and could potentially result in
> >> greater emissions of greenhouse gases than from
> >> conventional petroleum derived diesel. This is the
> >> conclusion of a new study reported today in
> >> Chemistry & Industry.
> >>
> >>  Analysts at SRI Consulting compared the emissions
> >> of greenhouse gases by the two fuels across their
> >> overall life cycles from production to combustion in
> >> cars.
> >>   The results show that biodiesel derived from
> >> rapeseed grown on dedicated farmland emits nearly
> >> the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions (defined
> >> as CO2 equivalents) per km driven as does
> >> conventional diesel.
> >>   However, if the land used to grow rapeseed was
> >> instead used to grow trees, petroleum diesel would
> >> emit only a third of the CO2 equivalent emissions as
> >> biodiesel.
> >>   Petroleum diesel emits 85% of its greenhouse gases
> >> at the final stage, when burnt in the engine. By
> >> contrast, two-thirds of the emissions produced by
> >> rapeseed derived biodiesel (RME) occur during
> >> farming of the crop, when cropland emits nitrous
> >> oxide (N2O), otherwise known as laughing gas, that
> >> is 200-300x as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2.
> >>
> >>  The results of this analysis should have big
> >> implications for policymakers. The 2003 EU Biofuels
> >> Directive aims to increase the levels of biofuels to
> >> 5.75% of all transport fuels by 2010, up from
> >> roughly 2% currently. This will be further increased
> >> to a 10% share in 2010, the Commission announced in
> >> January this year.
> >>   Transportation currently accounts for more than a
> >> fifth of all greenhouse gas emissions emitted in the
> >> EU. Rapeseed-derived biodiesel is the major
> >> renewables-derived biofuel used across Europe and,
> >> as well as helping to improve energy security, is
> >> expected to play an important role in helping to
> >> meet the EU's Kyoto commitment to reduce levels of
> >> greenhouse gas emissions by 8% by 2012 relative to
> >> 1990 levels, and by 20% by 2020.
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:24:59 -0400
>From: "Mark J. Ambrose" <markj.ambrose at gmail.com>
>Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NOx in Agriculture
>To: "Biofuels Group (E-mail)" <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
>Message-ID: <462F72CB.5070401 at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Forwarded to the list by request:
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>Mark:
>
>I can't change my email format in Hotmail to plain text, so I can't send
>this to the list.  Can you pass this info along?
>
>An interesting paper that looks at NOx in agriculture -
>http://www.igac.noaa.gov/newsletter/highlights/1998/n2o.php
>
>Increased nitrous oxide is linked to increased applications of synthetic
>nitrogen fertilizers.  Makes sense since only a small percentage of the
>added nitrogen is available to the plants.  This should be another
>argument for cover crops, composted manures and other "organic" and
>sustainable nitrogen inputs in agriculture.
>
>Trace
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:56:08 -0500
>From: "Little, David - Wilson, NC" <David.Little at nc.usda.gov>
>Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Nitrous Oxide
>To: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
>Message-ID:
>	<1447032AC8D9F54AA935A2BEF04D86D9EA30B5 at MOSTLOUIS2S301.ageast.one.usda.gov>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>"Cropland emits nitrous oxide?"
>
>Nitrous Oxide is produced when fields that have been fertilized with
>nitrogen become waterlogged by excessive rain.  It's a natural,
>bacterial process in oxygen depleted soils.
>
>Dave Little
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:36:39 -0400
>From: Marcus Wright <wrightmw at wfu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NOx in Agriculture
>To: "Mark J. Ambrose" <markj.ambrose at gmail.com>
>Cc: "Biofuels Group \(E-mail\)"
>	<biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
>Message-ID: <4630C707.1070902 at wfu.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I once saw a paper (ref escape me now) that stated the press cake from
>canola could be tilled into the next year's crop for all it's nitrogen
>and sulfur requirements.  From talking with farmers nitrate prices have
>really increased and sometimes using less nitrate will actually increase
>profits.  They can looks at the number of spring tillers (the amount of
>branching from the parent stalk) and estimate how much and when to add
>nitrogen.. Dr. Randy Weiszat at NC State looks at nitrogen timing.
>Would be neat to see the economics of using the press cake for
>fertilizers vs.selling for feed, sure somebody has run the numbers.
>
>mww
>
>On 4/25/2007 11:24 AM, Mark J. Ambrose wrote:
>
> >Forwarded to the list by request:
> >
> >-----------------------------------------
> >
> >Mark:
> >
> >I can't change my email format in Hotmail to plain text, so I can't send
> >this to the list.  Can you pass this info along?
> >
> >An interesting paper that looks at NOx in agriculture -
> >http://www.igac.noaa.gov/newsletter/highlights/1998/n2o.php
> >
> >Increased nitrous oxide is linked to increased applications of synthetic
> >nitrogen fertilizers.  Makes sense since only a small percentage of the
> >added nitrogen is available to the plants.  This should be another
> >argument for cover crops, composted manures and other "organic" and
> >sustainable nitrogen inputs in agriculture.
> >
> >Trace
> >_______________________________________________
> >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:19:02 -0400
>From: Matthew Rudolf <mattr at biofuels.coop>
>Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: svo car for sale
>To: BIG List <Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net>
>Message-ID: <0DDBC763-271E-4204-AE6F-7932AB32BB71 at biofuels.coop>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Bodes <bodefamily at gmail.com>
> > Date: April 26, 2007 11:47:39 PM EDT
> > To: "Matthew Rudolf" <mattr at biofuels.coop>
> > Subject: svo car for sale
> >
> > Hi Matt
> > I changed the ad for the Mercedes a little and thought I should
> > pass the URL along again.
> > http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/318475257.html.
> > Thanks again for helping spread this around.
> > Ray
>
>Matthew Rudolf
>Piedmont Biofuels
>www.biofuels.coop
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
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From dnasholds at nc.rr.com  Fri Apr 27 16:17:51 2007
From: dnasholds at nc.rr.com (dnasholds at nc.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 250 Gal WVO available - Raleigh
Message-ID: <fe8b92a26e96.6e96fe8b92a2@southeast.rr.com>

A friend of mine has about 250 gallons of waste vegetable oil he's like
to get rid of. 

He collected it from the restaurant he works at with the intention of
using it in his diesel but now has to move it. It's in 5 gal containers,
straight from the fryalator, has not been process, no water, etc. 

If interested I'll send you his contact information.

Don
NRGconstruction at nc.rr.com

From tbuckner at ibiblio.org  Mon Apr 30 08:10:02 2007
From: tbuckner at ibiblio.org (Terri Buckner)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:10:02 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Job Opening at UNC Sustainability Office
Message-ID: <4635DC9A.9030608@ibiblio.org>

/*~Administrative and Program Assistant
UNC Sustainability Office~*/

If you are an experienced office manager and administrative assistant, 
who is interested in advancing sustainability at UNC Chapel Hill, please 
consider applying for the attached Administrative and Program Assistant 
Position.

The person in this job will perform administrative and clerical 
functions in the Sustainability Office, post updates to the 
sustainability listserve and website, and organize meetings and events.

Requirements:

?       Ability to prioritize and cheerfully execute multiple tasks
?       Strong organizational skills
?       Keen attention to detail
?       Superior interpersonal skills and work ethic
?       Excellent written, verbal, and numeric communication skills
?       Proficient in Outlook, Word, Excel, Access, PowerPoint, Front 
Page, and digital photo use
?       Flexibility and ability to adjust to changing priorities

The Sustainability Office provides a fast-paced work environment, with 
many opportunities for personal growth and development, and the 
opportunity to work with a wide variety of partners to advance campus 
sustainability. 

To apply, visit   http://hr.unc.edu/jobseekers/search.htm
 https://s4.its.unc.edu/RAMS4/details.do?posID=0055925
and submit your application by May 3.

Please circulate this announcement to those who might be interested in 
and qualified for this position. 

Thank you.
Cindy 

Cindy Pollock Shea, LEED AP
Director, Sustainability Office
UNC Chapel Hill, CB 1800
Chapel Hill, NC  27599-1800
Tel: (919) 843-5251
http://sustainability.unc.edu
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From tbuckner at ibiblio.org  Mon Apr 30 14:09:52 2007
From: tbuckner at ibiblio.org (tbuckner at ibiblio.org)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:09:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric vehicle emissions
In-Reply-To: <4635DC9A.9030608@ibiblio.org>
References: <4635DC9A.9030608@ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <47900.152.2.60.242.1177956592.squirrel@secure.ibiblio.org>

Does anyone know how biodiesel compares with electric vehicles in terms of
carbon emissions?


From tobin at tjcog.org  Mon Apr 30 14:26:30 2007
From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:26:30 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric vehicle
	emissions
References: <4635DC9A.9030608@ibiblio.org>
	<47900.152.2.60.242.1177956592.squirrel@secure.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <027d01c78b55$13c64370$1800a8c0@cleancities>

It all depends on where you are getting your electricity from.  The electric 
vehicles do not emit anything at all, but they are charged with electricity 
from power plants so you have to take that into account. If your electricity 
is generated through nuclear, geothermal or solar, you have no carbon 
emissions.  If it is coal or natural gas you will have some.  If it is hydro 
you have to think about the carbon that is emitted when trees and other 
carbon sinks are cleared to make way for the water.

Another thing to consider is when you are charging your electric vehicle. 
Powerplants are built to produce enough peak power, that the highest demand 
for power necessary in that market -- generally during the day.  At night, 
they can't shut down all the way, or even down to the minimal power needs at 
that time.  And most can't store the extra electricity they generate at 
night so that power is wasted.  If you plug in your electric vehicle at 
night to use some of this excess electricity, you are actually not adding 
anything to the load and it can be argued that the carbon that is emitted 
during that time is not attributable to the electric vehicle.  Essentially 
you are off the hook for this carbon.

Of course, the carbon dioxide attributable to biodiesel depends on your 
feedstock as well.  If you are using recycled grease, that will be different 
then virgin soy.  And if you are using more efficient crops (algae, canola, 
etc.) that will be different than less efficient crops (soy).  If you use 
biodiesel in the tractors that plant and harvest the crop, then your carbon 
footprint will be smaller than if you are using petro in the tractors.

I hope that helps shed some light.  If you want more info, you can contact 
me directly.

Tobin L. Freid
Triangle Clean Cities Coalition Coordinator
Triangle J Council of Governments
(919) 558-9400

-- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters --
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> Does anyone know how biodiesel compares with electric vehicles in terms of
> carbon emissions?
>
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From jdorff at nc.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 14:30:12 2007
From: jdorff at nc.rr.com (Jimmy Dorff)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:30:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric vehicle
 emissions
In-Reply-To: <47900.152.2.60.242.1177956592.squirrel@secure.ibiblio.org>
References: <4635DC9A.9030608@ibiblio.org>
	<47900.152.2.60.242.1177956592.squirrel@secure.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0704301427150.31411@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, tbuckner at ibiblio.org wrote:
> Does anyone know how biodiesel compares with electric vehicles in terms of
> carbon emissions?
>
It would all depend on how the electricity is generated.  This site seems
to offer some real numbers and cite sources for electric vehicles:
http://www.paulchefurka.ca/Electric%20Cars%20and%20CO2.html

The numbers of biodiesel will also depend on how it is produced, but I
think most people (excluding Tad Patzek) can agree that biodiesel has
lower carbon emissions than petroleum diesel.

-Jimmy

From markj.ambrose at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 15:49:43 2007
From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:49:43 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to
	175	milliongal/yearbiodiesel
In-Reply-To: <014301c78683$adc1b760$1800a8c0@cleancities>
References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F8225@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com>
	<014301c78683$adc1b760$1800a8c0@cleancities>
Message-ID: <46364857.3050809@gmail.com>

I did a little bit of reading on Thermal De-Polymerization (TDP).

It is a frustrating situation because TDP seems like a worthwhile 
technology that the government should be supporting.  At the same time, 
what the oil companies are doing seems to be a clear abuse of the 
biodiesel tax credit.  As I understand it, in a TDP system, any number 
of organic materials can be heated breaking a lot of chemical bonds, and 
the result is essentially synthetic crude oil and/or synthetic natural 
gas.  Properly employed, TDP can be part of the answer to our energy 
needs.  Depending on the feedstock, TDP can be more or less carbon 
neutral and be a solution to waste disposal problems.

If TDP is used to produce fuel from slaughterhouse waste (ick), manures, 
sewage sludge, or waste paper, the fuel produced is essentially carbon 
neutral.

If it is used to make fuel from waste plastics or old tires, the fuel is 
not carbon neutral because the plastic or rubber was made from 
petrochemicals. However, using TDP does reduce the need for crude oil 
and save landfill space.

The problem is not TDP per se; it is that oil companies got a ruling 
from the IRS that their conventional oil refining process constitutes 
TDP if animal fat or vegetable oil is introduced to the system.  
Apparently, in conventional oil refining the oil is heated to the point 
that the TDP reactions take place (or else TDP doesn't take place but 
the process is close enough that it meets the definition in the tax 
law).  So the tax credit is going to the oil companies that don't have 
to invest hardly anything at all in new equipment.  I would be all in 
favor of giving a tax credit so a company could build a plant to make 
diesel out of used tires or sewage sludge, but seeing compnies getting 
the credit for blending oil in with crude in their existing oil 
refineries is ridiculous.

Of course, part of the reason we have the problem is that the tax credit 
was structured wrong to start with.  The credit should have been set up 
to encourage companies making fuel from waste materials.  But because of 
the political clout of agricultural interests, it favors the use of 
virgin oils over used oils. And I don't think it applies at all to fuels 
made from non-agricultural waste materials.  The result of that 
structure, as I understand it, is that if the oil companies add virgin 
soy oil to their refineries with essentially zero new investment, they 
can claim the $1/gal credit.  If a TDP plant is built next to a chicken 
packing plant to make diesel from guts, beaks, feathers, etc., it 
qualifies for the $0.50/gal credit.  If a TDP plant is built to make 
diesel out of used tires or municipal waste, it gets no tax credit.

-- Mark

Tobin Freid wrote:
> This is a major loophole that the oil lobbyists created in a late provision 
> to the law.  It allows fuel made from thermal de-polymerization (TDP) to 
> qualify for the biodiesel credit.  According to the NBB, "the TDP process is 
> a new technology to turn hazardous wastes, plastics, and food wastes like 
> poultry offal and carcasses into a boiler fuel.  Congress never had a chance 
> to debate the provision, but it passed...."
>
> The IRS recently decided that the TDP definition could include conventional 
> petro refining by adding raw veggie and animal fats into their existing 
> process.
>
> The NBB and others are working to get this reversed.  The biodiesel 
> community needs to step up and make a stink about this so the petro 
> companies don't get away with it.
>
> Tobin L. Freid
> Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
> Triangle J Council of Governments
> (919) 558-9400
>
> -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters --
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ganter, Cheryl" <Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com>
> To: "Tobin Freid" <tobin at tjcog.org>; <mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu>; "Marc 
> ter Horst" <terhorst at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 
> milliongal/yearbiodiesel
>
>
>   
>> Isn't there a law or something that states that the fuel has to have a
>> certain percentage of biodiesel to be claimed " biodiesel " for the
>> purpose of getting tax credits?
>> Sounds like a loophole that needs to be changed to me.
>>
>> Cheryl G.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
>> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
>> Tobin Freid
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:27 AM
>> To: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu; Marc ter Horst
>> Cc: biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million
>> gal/yearbiodiesel
>>
>>
>> This is actually a big problem for the biodiesel industry.  In effect,
>> the
>> big oil companies are trying to take advantage of the $1/gallon tax
>> credit
>> originally created to spur biodiesel production and use.  They are
>> planning
>> to blend a very small amount of vegetable oil with petrodiesel and then
>> claim the credit.  This is not biodiesel in any sense of the word.  For
>> more
>> information, see the NBB website:
>>
>> http://www.biodiesel.org/news/07clicktrhrus/20070416_renewablediesel.sht
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> Tobin L. Freid
>> Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
>> Triangle J Council of Governments
>> (919) 558-9400
>>
>> -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters
>> --
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Ambrose" <MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com>
>> To: "Marc ter Horst" <terhorst at bellsouth.net>
>> Cc: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] animal fat to 175 million
>> gal/year
>> biodiesel
>>
>>
>>     
>>> I heard about this on the radio,  It sounded like a good project.  The
>>> only thing that annoyed me was that on the radio, Conoco Phillips said
>>> that they were not going to market their final product as biodiesel.
>>> They were going to blend the biodiesel in low percentages with the
>>> petrodiesel and just sell it as regular diesel.
>>>
>>> A 3-10% blend is probably a good way to use biodiesel made from animal
>>> fat because of its cold flow properties when used straight, but I
>>>       
>> would
>>     
>>> like to see Conoco Phillips marketing it as a biodiesel blend to raise
>>> awareness of biofuels.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> Marc ter Horst wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Tyson, ConocoPhillips link up for biodiesel
>>>> By Michael Kanellos
>>>>
>>>>         
>> http://news.com.com/Tyson%2C+ConocoPhillips+link+up+for+biodiesel/2100-1
>> 1392_3-6176812.html
>>     
>>>> Story last modified Tue Apr 17 12:19:52 PDT 2007
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Big oil, meet big meat.*
>>>>
>>>> Tyson Foods <http://www.tyson.com/>, one of the largest meat
>>>>         
>> processors
>>     
>>>> in the United States, is working with oil giant ConocoPhillips
>>>> <http://www.conocophillips.com> to produce and start selling
>>>>         
>> biodiesel
>>     
>> <http://news.com.com/Fast-food+fat-future+fuel+for+cars/2100-1008_3-6157
>> 412.html>
>>     
>>>> made from chicken, pork and poultry fat. The two companies have been
>>>> running processing trials in Tyson's Ireland facility.
>>>>
>>>> Biodiesel can be run in most diesel engines but burns cleaner than
>>>> regular diesel fuel. It emits less nitrous oxide and sulfur
>>>>         
>> compounds,
>>     
>>>> depending on how it is processed. It is also more carbon-neutral,
>>>> advocates say, because the carbon dioxide emitted by tailpipes
>>>>         
>> burning
>>     
>>>> biodiesel is captured from green plants. (Grass takes in carbon
>>>>         
>> dioxide
>>     
>>>> during photosynthesis, cows eat the grass, and then the cow fat gets
>>>> turned into gas, which releases the carbon dioxide).
>>>>
>>>> Diesel fuel made from fossil deposits releases carbon dioxide that
>>>>         
>> was
>>     
>>>> captured below the surface of the earth.
>>>>
>>>> Tyson formed a renewable-energy division last year. The company
>>>> generates about 2.3 billion pounds of animal fat a year in its
>>>> operations. The companies estimate that the operation could result in
>>>> 175 million gallons of biodiesel a year. ConocoPhillips said it will
>>>> invest $100 million in this project.
>>>>
>>>> Culling animal fat from the nation's slaughterhouses won't solve the
>>>> energy crisis
>>>>
>>>>         
>> <http://news.com.com/A+new+ally+in+the+energy+crisis+Termites/2100-11395
>> _3-6160269.html>.
>>     
>>>> The United States consumed about 62 billion gallons of diesel last
>>>>         
>> year.
>>     
>>>> Thus, Tyson's contribution would amount to less than 1 percent of the
>>>> overall diesel budget.
>>>>
>>>> Even if all of the deep-fryer grease and animal fat in the States
>>>>         
>> were
>>     
>>>> collected for fuel, it would still likely amount to only a small
>>>> percentage <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6165141.html> of the
>>>>         
>> diesel
>>     
>>>> supply.
>>>>
>>>> Still, it could add to the bottom line for both companies. On the
>>>> wholesale market, diesel sells for about $2 a gallon. The government
>>>> also offers subsidies ranging from 50 cents to $1 a gallon to ensure
>>>> that biodiesel, which is actually more expensive at the moment, stays
>>>> competitive with regular fossil fuel diesel.
>>>>
>>>> Biodiesel produced from animal fat is better-suited to fueling
>>>> industrial boilers than cars, according to University of Minnesota
>>>> professor Vernon Eidman
>>>>         
>> <http://news.com.com/2061-11128_3-6158550.html>.
>>     
>>>> Tyson and ConocoPhillips, however, said their biodiesel will be sold
>>>>         
>> for
>>     
>>>> the "on-road" diesel market. Biodiesel can also be mixed in with
>>>>         
>> regular
>>     
>>>> diesel.
>>>>
>>>> The two companies will begin to ramp up manufacturing facilities this
>>>>         
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>> Converting waste oil or animal fat into biodiesel largely revolves
>>>> around removing glycerols, which increase viscosity, from the oil.
>>>>         
>> The
>>     
>>>> glycerols removed from the process can also be sold to other
>>>>         
>> customers
>>     
>>>> and chemical producers.
>>>>
>>>> Diesel engines can run on vegetable oil--Rudolf Diesel ran his first
>>>> engines on peanut oil--but the oil needs to be heated first, which
>>>>         
>> would
>>     
>>>> require modifications to the car.
>>>>
>>>> Although demand for fuel is high, alternative fuel remains a risky
>>>> business. Erecting refineries costs millions of dollars, and
>>>> fluctuations in the prices of crude oil and alternative-fuel
>>>>         
>> feedstock
>>     
>>>> can transform a company from profitable to loss-making. Several
>>>>         
>> ethanol
>>     
>>>> companies recently saw their profits evaporate after the price of
>>>>         
>> corn
>>     
>>>> shot up.
>>>>
>>>> Smithfield Foods <http://www.smithfieldfoods.com>, for instance,
>>>> canceled its own alternative-energy plant, which hoped to make
>>>>         
>> biodiesel
>>     
>>>> from mixing vegetable oil with methane from cow manure culled on its
>>>> farms.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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From tobin at tjcog.org  Mon Apr 30 16:34:46 2007
From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric
	vehicleemissions
References: <4635DC9A.9030608@ibiblio.org><47900.152.2.60.242.1177956592.squirrel@secure.ibiblio.org>
	<027d01c78b55$13c64370$1800a8c0@cleancities>
Message-ID: <04b101c78b67$31d12170$1800a8c0@cleancities>

I have been rightly reminded that nuclear power is not carbon-free.  The 
process of mining, milling, processing, shipping, and storing, etc. all 
involve the use of fossil fuels and, therefore, emit carbon.

Tobin L. Freid
Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
Triangle J Council of Governments
(919) 558-9400

-- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters --
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tobin Freid" <tobin at tjcog.org>
To: <tbuckner at ibiblio.org>; <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric 
vehicleemissions


> It all depends on where you are getting your electricity from.  The 
> electric
> vehicles do not emit anything at all, but they are charged with 
> electricity
> from power plants so you have to take that into account. If your 
> electricity
> is generated through nuclear, geothermal or solar, you have no carbon
> emissions.  If it is coal or natural gas you will have some.  If it is 
> hydro
> you have to think about the carbon that is emitted when trees and other
> carbon sinks are cleared to make way for the water.
>
> Another thing to consider is when you are charging your electric vehicle.
> Powerplants are built to produce enough peak power, that the highest 
> demand
> for power necessary in that market -- generally during the day.  At night,
> they can't shut down all the way, or even down to the minimal power needs 
> at
> that time.  And most can't store the extra electricity they generate at
> night so that power is wasted.  If you plug in your electric vehicle at
> night to use some of this excess electricity, you are actually not adding
> anything to the load and it can be argued that the carbon that is emitted
> during that time is not attributable to the electric vehicle.  Essentially
> you are off the hook for this carbon.
>
> Of course, the carbon dioxide attributable to biodiesel depends on your
> feedstock as well.  If you are using recycled grease, that will be 
> different
> then virgin soy.  And if you are using more efficient crops (algae, 
> canola,
> etc.) that will be different than less efficient crops (soy).  If you use
> biodiesel in the tractors that plant and harvest the crop, then your 
> carbon
> footprint will be smaller than if you are using petro in the tractors.
>
> I hope that helps shed some light.  If you want more info, you can contact
> me directly.
>
> Tobin L. Freid
> Triangle Clean Cities Coalition Coordinator
> Triangle J Council of Governments
> (919) 558-9400
>
> -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters --
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <tbuckner at ibiblio.org>
> To: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:09 PM
> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric vehicle
> emissions
>
>
>> Does anyone know how biodiesel compares with electric vehicles in terms 
>> of
>> carbon emissions?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
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From GARNERJ at ecu.edu  Mon Apr 30 17:11:07 2007
From: GARNERJ at ecu.edu (Garner, John)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:11:07 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with
	electricvehicleemissions
References: <4635DC9A.9030608@ibiblio.org><47900.152.2.60.242.1177956592.squirrel@secure.ibiblio.org><027d01c78b55$13c64370$1800a8c0@cleancities>
	<04b101c78b67$31d12170$1800a8c0@cleancities>
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For that matter, there is no carbon free energy.  The manufacturing
processes of wind turbines, solar panels, etc are all carbon
contributors, but one needs to remember that a small outlay of carbon in
the beginning is far better than years of high volume emissions.  

One must look at the life cycle analysis of different energy options to
have a picture of what is truly the best.  And of courses, there are
trade offs, such as increase in NOx emissions with biodiesel and lack of
fuel economy with ethanol, with many alternative energy options.  

John Dail Garner  
Department of Engineering
212 Slay Building
Greenville, NC 27858-4353
252-737-1033 office
252-737-1041 fax
garnerj at ecu.edu
www.tecs.ecu.edu/engineering

 


-----Original Message-----
From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
Tobin Freid
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:35 PM
To: tbuckner at ibiblio.org; biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with
electricvehicleemissions

I have been rightly reminded that nuclear power is not carbon-free.  The

process of mining, milling, processing, shipping, and storing, etc. all 
involve the use of fossil fuels and, therefore, emit carbon.

Tobin L. Freid
Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
Triangle J Council of Governments
(919) 558-9400

-- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters
--
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tobin Freid" <tobin at tjcog.org>
To: <tbuckner at ibiblio.org>; <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric 
vehicleemissions


> It all depends on where you are getting your electricity from.  The 
> electric
> vehicles do not emit anything at all, but they are charged with 
> electricity
> from power plants so you have to take that into account. If your 
> electricity
> is generated through nuclear, geothermal or solar, you have no carbon
> emissions.  If it is coal or natural gas you will have some.  If it is

> hydro
> you have to think about the carbon that is emitted when trees and
other
> carbon sinks are cleared to make way for the water.
>
> Another thing to consider is when you are charging your electric
vehicle.
> Powerplants are built to produce enough peak power, that the highest 
> demand
> for power necessary in that market -- generally during the day.  At
night,
> they can't shut down all the way, or even down to the minimal power
needs 
> at
> that time.  And most can't store the extra electricity they generate
at
> night so that power is wasted.  If you plug in your electric vehicle
at
> night to use some of this excess electricity, you are actually not
adding
> anything to the load and it can be argued that the carbon that is
emitted
> during that time is not attributable to the electric vehicle.
Essentially
> you are off the hook for this carbon.
>
> Of course, the carbon dioxide attributable to biodiesel depends on
your
> feedstock as well.  If you are using recycled grease, that will be 
> different
> then virgin soy.  And if you are using more efficient crops (algae, 
> canola,
> etc.) that will be different than less efficient crops (soy).  If you
use
> biodiesel in the tractors that plant and harvest the crop, then your 
> carbon
> footprint will be smaller than if you are using petro in the tractors.
>
> I hope that helps shed some light.  If you want more info, you can
contact
> me directly.
>
> Tobin L. Freid
> Triangle Clean Cities Coalition Coordinator
> Triangle J Council of Governments
> (919) 558-9400
>
> -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters
--
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <tbuckner at ibiblio.org>
> To: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:09 PM
> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric vehicle
> emissions
>
>
>> Does anyone know how biodiesel compares with electric vehicles in
terms 
>> of
>> carbon emissions?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group at lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
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From tbuckner at ibiblio.org  Mon Apr 30 17:30:09 2007
From: tbuckner at ibiblio.org (tbuckner at ibiblio.org)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:30:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with
 electricvehicleemissions
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You hit the nail on the head. It's the life cycle cost analysis that we
need. Just my opinion, but in the absence of such comparative data, it's
hard to know when you're supporting a fad and when you're supporting a
technology with long-term benefits.

Terri

> For that matter, there is no carbon free energy.  The manufacturing
> processes of wind turbines, solar panels, etc are all carbon
> contributors, but one needs to remember that a small outlay of carbon in
> the beginning is far better than years of high volume emissions.
>
> One must look at the life cycle analysis of different energy options to
> have a picture of what is truly the best.  And of courses, there are
> trade offs, such as increase in NOx emissions with biodiesel and lack of
> fuel economy with ethanol, with many alternative energy options.
>
> John Dail Garner
> Department of Engineering
> 212 Slay Building
> Greenville, NC 27858-4353
> 252-737-1033 office
> 252-737-1041 fax
> garnerj at ecu.edu
> www.tecs.ecu.edu/engineering
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net
> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces at lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of
> Tobin Freid
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:35 PM
> To: tbuckner at ibiblio.org; biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net
> Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with
> electricvehicleemissions
>
> I have been rightly reminded that nuclear power is not carbon-free.  The
>
> process of mining, milling, processing, shipping, and storing, etc. all
> involve the use of fossil fuels and, therefore, emit carbon.
>
> Tobin L. Freid
> Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
> Triangle J Council of Governments
> (919) 558-9400
>
> -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters
> --
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tobin Freid" <tobin at tjcog.org>
> To: <tbuckner at ibiblio.org>; <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric
> vehicleemissions
>
>
>> It all depends on where you are getting your electricity from.  The
>> electric
>> vehicles do not emit anything at all, but they are charged with
>> electricity
>> from power plants so you have to take that into account. If your
>> electricity
>> is generated through nuclear, geothermal or solar, you have no carbon
>> emissions.  If it is coal or natural gas you will have some.  If it is
>
>> hydro
>> you have to think about the carbon that is emitted when trees and
> other
>> carbon sinks are cleared to make way for the water.
>>
>> Another thing to consider is when you are charging your electric
> vehicle.
>> Powerplants are built to produce enough peak power, that the highest
>> demand
>> for power necessary in that market -- generally during the day.  At
> night,
>> they can't shut down all the way, or even down to the minimal power
> needs
>> at
>> that time.  And most can't store the extra electricity they generate
> at
>> night so that power is wasted.  If you plug in your electric vehicle
> at
>> night to use some of this excess electricity, you are actually not
> adding
>> anything to the load and it can be argued that the carbon that is
> emitted
>> during that time is not attributable to the electric vehicle.
> Essentially
>> you are off the hook for this carbon.
>>
>> Of course, the carbon dioxide attributable to biodiesel depends on
> your
>> feedstock as well.  If you are using recycled grease, that will be
>> different
>> then virgin soy.  And if you are using more efficient crops (algae,
>> canola,
>> etc.) that will be different than less efficient crops (soy).  If you
> use
>> biodiesel in the tractors that plant and harvest the crop, then your
>> carbon
>> footprint will be smaller than if you are using petro in the tractors.
>>
>> I hope that helps shed some light.  If you want more info, you can
> contact
>> me directly.
>>
>> Tobin L. Freid
>> Triangle Clean Cities Coalition Coordinator
>> Triangle J Council of Governments
>> (919) 558-9400
>>
>> -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters
> --
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <tbuckner at ibiblio.org>
>> To: <biofuels_interest_group at lists.emji.net>
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:09 PM
>> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Comparison with electric vehicle
>> emissions
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know how biodiesel compares with electric vehicles in
> terms
>>> of
>>> carbon emissions?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From dnasholds at nc.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 19:30:40 2007
From: dnasholds at nc.rr.com (Don Nasholds)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 250 Gal WVO available - Raleigh
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Thanks to all that the have replied. I've passed your info on, and Patrick
should have replied by now. There was lots of interest, My intent was to
help him get rid free oil to this community. Thanks for your patience. 

Don