From carolinabiofuels at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 01:16:26 2006 From: carolinabiofuels at gmail.com (Harry John Albert) Date: Fri Sep 1 01:21:47 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: <005001c6cd5b$b8a42140$7701a8c0@YOUR1FEA1ED08B> References: <005001c6cd5b$b8a42140$7701a8c0@YOUR1FEA1ED08B> Message-ID: I truly believe that it is not a matter of How much will Biodiesel cost, Or How cheap it will be, but the reality of the question is how expensive will petrodiesel become. Right now it is $.33 more then RUG. I am sorry to say that if the reason for supporting biofuels is the hope of cheaper fuel prices in the present, then the support is misplaced. Biofuels should be supported in the hope that we can make the transition smoothly enough, thanks to organizations such as PB (and CFBF, and every other hard working coop:) so that we do not feel to much of an interruption in the daily flow of things when the supply of oil finally runs out. (and yes one day it will). AS for the satisfaction that we get? I get to know that one day, when I am old, or maybe after I am dead, my great-grand children will know that I had a part in the way things are. As for the satisfaction right now? Just the smell of it. John Albert On 8/31/06, Allen Giles wrote: > Folks, hang on to your hat. A bit of macro perspective for you. > > If you think we have it tough now, just wait till China & India finish their > deals with PDVSA. Citgo and Hess will only be able to sell gasoline. No USLD > is allowed to come to the US from Venezuela now. Soon they'll shut down the > crude coming to up the Gulf & NY/NJ refineries. > > Most of the refineries in the Medertirrian and Rea Sea are not equipped to > mfg ULSD. Sulfur content too high; all the diesel will move to developing > countries which have no mandates. What ever ULSD is available is going to > the EU where there is more margin to be made. Be prepared for the USLD price > spike in October. > > China signed the Kyoto and is about ready to eliminate the 27% import duty > on biofuels. Brazil and Argentina are preparing off-take agreements for > biodiesel and ethanol with China and India that will make your head spin. > China is throwing money around to build what ever it takes. Malaysia will be > producing more Palm Biodiesel in the next 2/3 years than the current world's > total production in anticipation of China's and India's demand. > > ABCD (Archer,Bunge,Cargil,Dryfus)has contracts for 90% of the worlds > soybean, canola and rapeseed. If you think they are going to lower their > prices so we can have low cost fuel, we're all dreaming. They make more > money making margarine than they do biodiesel. > > Low cost second generation biofuels are going to have to make their way to > the US market in the next 3-5 years or we are really going to feel the pain. > Good news is if you have IP for a process; there's tons of money being > thrown at it, just like the early Internet days. > > Hope this make you feel better; I just got back from the EU where diesel is > cheaper than gas and it is still over $4.00 US per gallon. > > The next President better make a trip to meet with the OPEC ministers like > the Chinese have, along with a special visit to Venezuela and Brazil. > > The current Biodiesel Blenders Credit was a good first step, but because of > the way it is structured, biodiesel will always be $1.00 more than the > wholesale price of diesel; no matter what the feedstock price is. There must > be an incentive to dive the feedstock prices down and increase the supply. > > Just to let you folks in on a little secret, many terminal operators have > been buying low cost biodiesel and blending in with the diesel and not > telling you; anywhere from 2-10%. Most of it went to extend the LSD > inventory before it was phased out in anticipation for this October's turn > over to ULSD. After the Blender's credit is applied, they have been making > 5-6 cents more per gallon over the past 6 months. > > Folks are going to be quite surprised at how much biodiesel has been blended > when the reports come out at the beginning of next year. You might notice > that's it's a bit more than the US produced. Lots of biodiesel has been > coming in from Canada and from Malaysia. They are also, blending biodiesel > with 1/10 of 1% diesel to make it available for the $1 Blender's Credit and > shipping it to the EU where they blend it with the Rapeseed Biodiesel to > make it less expensive. Boats of B99.9 biodiesel, 10,000 MT (2.9 million > gallons) at a time are leaving Houston headed for Rotterdam every day. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Marc > Dreyfors-President > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:37 PM > To: A Bodkin; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing > > I disagree, new technologies always enter the market at the high-end. In > this case, I don't expect fuel prices (bio or petro) to lessen as we are > exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet for food (competitor for > feedstock), it ability to absorb pollution, and a source of other > materials. The market system is broken and unless bottom-lines are made > "real" by regulation and ethical decisions by consumers and producers, we > are toast. That is why it is critical to shop wisely, consume less and > lobby like hell to get our leaders and government to fix the system. > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net]On Behalf Of A > Bodkin > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:19 PM > To: Evan Ashworth > Cc: David Kovach; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing > > > Wonderful and noble aspirations to be sure, but the separation of > Dollars and Sense occurs at the bottom line. I don't recall anyone > asking for "cheap fuel" but if we can't compete with petrol, if we > can't drive the costs associated with manufacture of biofuel vs. > importing biofuel, where is the sense in manufacturing vs. just > reselling? If the costs associated with manufacturing can be > alleviated by using all available resources toward consumer cost > reductions, I hope they have been evaluated for viability... > > Objectively if the benefits of clean, renewable, domestic fuel are the > goal, the more vehicles using it the more benefit is realized...few > people in the mainstream are going to drive out of their way, to pay > MORE for their fuel, to realize a virtually immeasurable return, it be > an easier sell if it is a "break even" proposition.... > > ~A > > > > On 8/31/06, Evan Ashworth wrote: > > This is an important discussion, so I wanted to weigh in. > > > > The International Center for Technology Assessment release a report in > > '94 called "The Real Price of Gasoline." It's on our website. It > > estimated that petroleum actually costs between $6-$15 a gallon, and > > the low American prices at the pump hide the tremendous cost of > > drilling, defending, transporting, and refining liquid petroleum fuels. > > > > European fuel is sitting at $5-$6/gallon, which is a little closer to > > the actual cost. > > > > Building a sustainable world requires that we understand and respect > > the impacts of our fuel production and use, and a higher price is the > > best motivation to think about efficient vehicles and sustainable > > lifestyles. > > > > Biodiesel at $3.50/gallon is cheap, and it won't be long until the > > price of petroleum is way above that. In any case, cheap fuel is not > > the reason that Piedmont Biofuels exists--the benefits of clean, > > renewable, domestic fuel are priceless. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -Evan > > > > > > On Aug 31, 2006, at 9:06 AM, A Bodkin wrote: > > > > > That is a great question, it is discouraging to try to encourage > > > others to use "green fuel" when the green fuels are not competitively > > > priced. When I am explaining the benefits to a prospective user, > > > ALWAYS the first question is "how much does it cost?". I am hoping > > > there is a plan to utilize the co-ops membership as labor to leverage > > > the essential cost reductions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Andy > > > > > > On 8/30/06, David Kovach wrote: > > >> Hi all - > > >> > > >> Once industrial is online and producing - what is the projected per > > >> gallon $ price going to be? How low can it possibly go? Obviously, if > > >> its driven down by .50 cents then wow... but, somehow I would assume > > >> volume production could drive it even lower. Thoughts? This is > > >> probably in your book or in your course or online curriculm... but... > > >> ya know... the shortest line between... > > >> > > >> Looking forward to the grand opening :-) > > >> > > >> Best Regards - > > >> > > >> David > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From rickyb at rickyb.net Fri Sep 1 06:06:17 2006 From: rickyb at rickyb.net (Rick) Date: Fri Sep 1 05:15:46 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: <20060831211522.15C2B2027AC@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060831211522.15C2B2027AC@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <44F7F809.7010908@rickyb.net> Well I guess we are not going to get a price. Everyone can say they are doing for the best, for the future for god and county but if you want the Walmart crowd to buy it you better beat the price at the pump because they dont care about the future. Only price drives them and they hold the key to its acceptance. Right now our cost per gallon is around .85 cents. Save the earth fine but I wouldnt pay an extra two dollars to do it not when I can take the other two dollars and put it to energy saving use for maybe solar or wind. One can not get tunnel vision. It will take all the different resources we can use to make it all work. So once again...Whats the price going to be? > From agiles at cape.com Fri Sep 1 08:09:56 2006 From: agiles at cape.com (Allen Giles) Date: Fri Sep 1 07:08:36 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006701c6cdb7$28a10bb0$7701a8c0@YOUR1FEA1ED08B> I applaud your conviction. My sons takes great pride in the fact that their father drives a an 84 MB wagon that uses B100 and actually mfg and trades biodiesel around the globe. Fuel is a commodity and a commodity is all about the price. When it comes to heating your home, transporting goods across this country, or burning #6 to make electricity, it's all about the price. People will drive 10 miles out of their way to pay 5 cents per gallon less for fuel to save $1.00. Folks will change heating oil suppliers because they can save 2 cents per gallon. The costs of your groceries, clothes, your everyday purchases are all affected by the cost of transportation using diesel fuel. You buy at Wal-Mart because their prices are lower. Their prices are lower because they manage their costs better than anyone else; including cost of fuel. Why do you think Wal-Mart is investing in biodiesel facilities? So they can purchase fuel at a lower cost, not because it might be better for the environment? LL Bean has been using B20 for 5 years now; you can bet the higher costs are covered in the price of goods. The cost of fuel is currently driving the inflation rate. I don't suppose most folks are going to get a pay raise to help offset the rise in the cost of transportation. Supply and demand dictate that alternative fuels sources must be less expensive than petroleum fuels to help to lower the total costs. People will switch if the prices are lower. If the supply of alternative fuels impacts the demand for petroleum fuels, then the price for petroleum fuels will decrease. Remember biodiesel is only an additive; not a replacement. The incentives must be refocused to the supply side rather than the demand sides to help increase feedstock supply, lower the cost of production, lower the cost of product. You can bet that if biodiesel was 5 cents per gallon lower than the wholesale cost of #2 Heating Oil the terminal operators will be blending biodiesel all over this country. Till that time, the switch is going to be very slow. Refunding of the CCCC credit would be a big start; $ for increased production year over year. Governments' mandates won't help; look at ethanol. Not enough supply to meet demand, prices increase. CCCC credits evaporated and the price increased. -----Original Message----- From: Harry John Albert [mailto:carolinabiofuels@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:16 AM To: Allen Giles Cc: marc@theforestfoundation.org; A Bodkin; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing I truly believe that it is not a matter of How much will Biodiesel cost, Or How cheap it will be, but the reality of the question is how expensive will petrodiesel become. Right now it is $.33 more then RUG. I am sorry to say that if the reason for supporting biofuels is the hope of cheaper fuel prices in the present, then the support is misplaced. Biofuels should be supported in the hope that we can make the transition smoothly enough, thanks to organizations such as PB (and CFBF, and every other hard working coop:) so that we do not feel to much of an interruption in the daily flow of things when the supply of oil finally runs out. (and yes one day it will). AS for the satisfaction that we get? I get to know that one day, when I am old, or maybe after I am dead, my great-grand children will know that I had a part in the way things are. As for the satisfaction right now? Just the smell of it. John Albert On 8/31/06, Allen Giles wrote: > Folks, hang on to your hat. A bit of macro perspective for you. > > If you think we have it tough now, just wait till China & India finish their > deals with PDVSA. Citgo and Hess will only be able to sell gasoline. No USLD > is allowed to come to the US from Venezuela now. Soon they'll shut down the > crude coming to up the Gulf & NY/NJ refineries. > > Most of the refineries in the Medertirrian and Rea Sea are not equipped to > mfg ULSD. Sulfur content too high; all the diesel will move to developing > countries which have no mandates. What ever ULSD is available is going to > the EU where there is more margin to be made. Be prepared for the USLD price > spike in October. > > China signed the Kyoto and is about ready to eliminate the 27% import duty > on biofuels. Brazil and Argentina are preparing off-take agreements for > biodiesel and ethanol with China and India that will make your head spin. > China is throwing money around to build what ever it takes. Malaysia will be > producing more Palm Biodiesel in the next 2/3 years than the current world's > total production in anticipation of China's and India's demand. > > ABCD (Archer,Bunge,Cargil,Dryfus)has contracts for 90% of the worlds > soybean, canola and rapeseed. If you think they are going to lower their > prices so we can have low cost fuel, we're all dreaming. They make more > money making margarine than they do biodiesel. > > Low cost second generation biofuels are going to have to make their way to > the US market in the next 3-5 years or we are really going to feel the pain. > Good news is if you have IP for a process; there's tons of money being > thrown at it, just like the early Internet days. > > Hope this make you feel better; I just got back from the EU where diesel is > cheaper than gas and it is still over $4.00 US per gallon. > > The next President better make a trip to meet with the OPEC ministers like > the Chinese have, along with a special visit to Venezuela and Brazil. > > The current Biodiesel Blenders Credit was a good first step, but because of > the way it is structured, biodiesel will always be $1.00 more than the > wholesale price of diesel; no matter what the feedstock price is. There must > be an incentive to dive the feedstock prices down and increase the supply. > > Just to let you folks in on a little secret, many terminal operators have > been buying low cost biodiesel and blending in with the diesel and not > telling you; anywhere from 2-10%. Most of it went to extend the LSD > inventory before it was phased out in anticipation for this October's turn > over to ULSD. After the Blender's credit is applied, they have been making > 5-6 cents more per gallon over the past 6 months. > > Folks are going to be quite surprised at how much biodiesel has been blended > when the reports come out at the beginning of next year. You might notice > that's it's a bit more than the US produced. Lots of biodiesel has been > coming in from Canada and from Malaysia. They are also, blending biodiesel > with 1/10 of 1% diesel to make it available for the $1 Blender's Credit and > shipping it to the EU where they blend it with the Rapeseed Biodiesel to > make it less expensive. Boats of B99.9 biodiesel, 10,000 MT (2.9 million > gallons) at a time are leaving Houston headed for Rotterdam every day. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Marc > Dreyfors-President > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:37 PM > To: A Bodkin; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing > > I disagree, new technologies always enter the market at the high-end. In > this case, I don't expect fuel prices (bio or petro) to lessen as we are > exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet for food (competitor for > feedstock), it ability to absorb pollution, and a source of other > materials. The market system is broken and unless bottom-lines are made > "real" by regulation and ethical decisions by consumers and producers, we > are toast. That is why it is critical to shop wisely, consume less and > lobby like hell to get our leaders and government to fix the system. > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net]On Behalf Of A > Bodkin > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:19 PM > To: Evan Ashworth > Cc: David Kovach; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing > > > Wonderful and noble aspirations to be sure, but the separation of > Dollars and Sense occurs at the bottom line. I don't recall anyone > asking for "cheap fuel" but if we can't compete with petrol, if we > can't drive the costs associated with manufacture of biofuel vs. > importing biofuel, where is the sense in manufacturing vs. just > reselling? If the costs associated with manufacturing can be > alleviated by using all available resources toward consumer cost > reductions, I hope they have been evaluated for viability... > > Objectively if the benefits of clean, renewable, domestic fuel are the > goal, the more vehicles using it the more benefit is realized...few > people in the mainstream are going to drive out of their way, to pay > MORE for their fuel, to realize a virtually immeasurable return, it be > an easier sell if it is a "break even" proposition.... > > ~A > > > > On 8/31/06, Evan Ashworth wrote: > > This is an important discussion, so I wanted to weigh in. > > > > The International Center for Technology Assessment release a report in > > '94 called "The Real Price of Gasoline." It's on our website. It > > estimated that petroleum actually costs between $6-$15 a gallon, and > > the low American prices at the pump hide the tremendous cost of > > drilling, defending, transporting, and refining liquid petroleum fuels. > > > > European fuel is sitting at $5-$6/gallon, which is a little closer to > > the actual cost. > > > > Building a sustainable world requires that we understand and respect > > the impacts of our fuel production and use, and a higher price is the > > best motivation to think about efficient vehicles and sustainable > > lifestyles. > > > > Biodiesel at $3.50/gallon is cheap, and it won't be long until the > > price of petroleum is way above that. In any case, cheap fuel is not > > the reason that Piedmont Biofuels exists--the benefits of clean, > > renewable, domestic fuel are priceless. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -Evan > > > > > > On Aug 31, 2006, at 9:06 AM, A Bodkin wrote: > > > > > That is a great question, it is discouraging to try to encourage > > > others to use "green fuel" when the green fuels are not competitively > > > priced. When I am explaining the benefits to a prospective user, > > > ALWAYS the first question is "how much does it cost?". I am hoping > > > there is a plan to utilize the co-ops membership as labor to leverage > > > the essential cost reductions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Andy > > > > > > On 8/30/06, David Kovach wrote: > > >> Hi all - > > >> > > >> Once industrial is online and producing - what is the projected per > > >> gallon $ price going to be? How low can it possibly go? Obviously, if > > >> its driven down by .50 cents then wow... but, somehow I would assume > > >> volume production could drive it even lower. Thoughts? This is > > >> probably in your book or in your course or online curriculm... but... > > >> ya know... the shortest line between... > > >> > > >> Looking forward to the grand opening :-) > > >> > > >> Best Regards - > > >> > > >> David > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From tim_turner at ncsu.edu Fri Sep 1 09:44:22 2006 From: tim_turner at ncsu.edu (Tim Turner) Date: Fri Sep 1 08:42:18 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: <006701c6cdb7$28a10bb0$7701a8c0@YOUR1FEA1ED08B> References: <006701c6cdb7$28a10bb0$7701a8c0@YOUR1FEA1ED08B> Message-ID: <44F82B26.10801@ncsu.edu> I would like to compliment the participants in this thread for the cordial tone of the discussion. It has continued for a while now without lapsing into diatribe or personal attacks. As a result, I have actually enjoyed reading the differing points of view. To tell the truth, I had pretty much stopped reading any political discussions on this list because of the vitriol that usually comes with. Thanks! Tim From lyle at blast.com Fri Sep 1 10:37:54 2006 From: lyle at blast.com (Lyle Estill) Date: Fri Sep 1 09:51:31 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Price of Fuel Message-ID: <9A342C51-B858-4125-B97B-C6D1D87F01AF@blast.com> Ricky, I think the reason no one is answering your simple question is that we don't know what the price of fuel will be coming out of industrial. As some on this thread have intimated, the price of bio is tied to the price of petroleum. We're not sure what the price of petroleum will be when our fuel starts coming of the line. During the past few years that we have been distributing biodiesel, there have been two occasions when the price of bio was lower than the price of petroleum. The first was when the tax credit was passed, and there was confusion on the part of the IRS (and in the market) and some of the racks in the midwest put bio out at a nickel less than petroleum. When that happened all the bio was snapped up in ten minutes and the price of bio spiked up. Go figure. Tax credit kicks in and the price spikes up. The second occasion was when Katrina passed through. Petroleum was at 3.59 in Pittsboro, with some stations shuddered, and we were lucky to have fuel on hand and we were able to keep the B100 Community Trail stocked. We don't know what the price will be when Industrial's fuel hits the market. The only thing that I know of that will bring price down is surplus, and so far we have never managed to get into an "overstocked" position on bio. I do share the sentiments echoed by some, that delivering "cheap fuel" has never been the objective of this project. Petroleum remains the most heavily subsidized product in our market basket (including for the Wal Mart shoppers crowd). One of the things I like about bio at 3.50 (the same price it has been since we started distributing three years ago) is that it is a closer reflection of true costs. Bio has not yet externalized its true costs with massive subsidy, as petroleum has successfully done. Today in Pittsboro petroleum diesel is at 3.06. Across the street we are selling B100 for 3.50. It looks like Ernesto is giving us a pass, and we will not be crushed by school districts we have never heard of on this one. It's a simple question. I wish we had a simple answer. Lyle Estill Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 Fax: 919-321-6769 From CConnor at luckstone.com Fri Sep 1 11:05:30 2006 From: CConnor at luckstone.com (Chris . Connor) Date: Fri Sep 1 10:03:10 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI Oil Message-ID: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F84668@5825-ml.luck.net> Help the newbie, please. Does anyone know where I can find VW Spec 505.01 oil for my 04 Golf, other than the VW dealership in Burlington. I was hoping to find some in Burlington or Pittsboro. Thanks for the help. Chris From tobin at tjcog.org Fri Sep 1 11:28:10 2006 From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid) Date: Fri Sep 1 10:31:10 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Rachel Burton recognized nationally References: <9A342C51-B858-4125-B97B-C6D1D87F01AF@blast.com> Message-ID: <011601c6cdd3$909d9dc0$1800a8c0@cleancities> I wanted to make the subject line of this email "Rachel Burton is HOT" but that would probably be blocked by everyone's spam filters. ------------------ Rachel Burton from Piedmont Biofuels in Pittsboro was recently named to the Real Hot 100 list - see http://therealhot100.org/home The story aired on NBC 17 on Monday's news - you can see the video clip and read the article at http://www.nbc17.com/station/9751316/detail.html# The REAL hot 100 is a list featuring young women from around the country who are breaking barriers, fighting stereotypes, and making a difference in their communities or the nation. >From the REAL Hot 100 website - http://therealhot100.org/: What makes her REALLY hot? [A photo on the REAL Hot 100 website shows] Rachel filling up Willie Nelson's tour bus with biodiesel made by Piedmont Biofuels Co-op, co-founded and directed by this REALLY hot woman. The mission of PBF is "to lead the grassroots sustainability movement in North Carolina by using and encouraging the use of clean, renewable biofuels." Rachel can teach you how to make biodiesel, how to convert your car to run on straight vegetable oil, and how to fix your car too. Rachel is a mechanic, former union organizer, belly dancer, and was one of the co-founders of the Chapel Hill chapter of Food Not Bombs. She has also taught automotive technology, and sustainable building and agriculture and has traveled to agricultural conferences and led workshops on cob/bale building. Tobin L. Freid Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment Triangle J Council of Governments (919) 558-9400 -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters -- From dave at kovach.com Fri Sep 1 07:48:16 2006 From: dave at kovach.com (David Kovach) Date: Fri Sep 1 10:44:39 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Price of Fuel Message-ID: <20060901144816.702149EFD2@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> Thanks Lyle - After all that :-) I can certainly live with $3.50 per gallon for Biodiesel. My simple question did not require the price actually being cheap'est. The benefit is clear and I am sure as you all progress you will see new ways to do things, new takes on current methods, and as the retail need takes off - you will be there to meet demand at the obvious realistic price. Personally, it is nice to be somewhere where there is a good few that believe in this. I came from Northern California - where they generally "believe" in everything. Best Regards, David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyle Estill" > To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Price of Fuel > Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:37:54 -0400 > > > Ricky, > > I think the reason no one is answering your simple question is that we don't > know what the price of fuel will be coming out of industrial. > > As some on this thread have intimated, the price of bio is tied to the price > of petroleum. We're not sure what the price of petroleum will be when our > fuel starts coming of the line. During the past few years that we have been > distributing biodiesel, there have been two occasions when the price of bio > was lower than the price of petroleum. The first was when the tax credit was > passed, and there was confusion on the part of the IRS (and in the market) > and some of the racks in the midwest put bio out at a nickel less than > petroleum. When that happened all the bio was snapped up in ten minutes and > the price of bio spiked up. Go figure. Tax credit kicks in and the price > spikes up. > > The second occasion was when Katrina passed through. Petroleum was at 3.59 > in Pittsboro, with some stations shuddered, and we were lucky to have fuel on > hand and we were able to keep the B100 Community Trail stocked. > > We don't know what the price will be when Industrial's fuel hits the market. > The only thing that I know of that will bring price down is surplus, and so > far we have never managed to get into an "overstocked" position on bio. > > I do share the sentiments echoed by some, that delivering "cheap fuel" has > never been the objective of this project. > Petroleum remains the most heavily subsidized product in our market basket > (including for the Wal Mart shoppers crowd). One of the things I like about > bio at 3.50 (the same price it has been since we started distributing three > years ago) is that it is a closer reflection of true costs. Bio has not yet > externalized its true costs with massive subsidy, as petroleum has > successfully done. > > Today in Pittsboro petroleum diesel is at 3.06. Across the street we are > selling B100 for 3.50. It looks like Ernesto is giving us a pass, and we > will not be crushed by school districts we have never heard of on this one. > > It's a simple question. I wish we had a simple answer. > > > Lyle Estill > Piedmont Biofuels > www.biofuels.coop > 919-321-8260 > Fax: 919-321-6769 > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > Best Regards, David 650-274-3736 cel 919-533-0139 alt From David.Little at nc.usda.gov Fri Sep 1 11:29:41 2006 From: David.Little at nc.usda.gov (Little, David - Wilson, NC) Date: Fri Sep 1 11:27:23 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Message-ID: <1447032AC8D9F54AA935A2BEF04D86D9EA2F13@MOSTLOUIS2S301.ageast.one.usda.gov> "So once again...Whats the price going to be?" Probably will be set by the answer to the question, "What can we get for it?" From CConnor at luckstone.com Fri Sep 1 12:41:46 2006 From: CConnor at luckstone.com (Chris . Connor) Date: Fri Sep 1 11:39:26 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] In-Reply-To: <1447032AC8D9F54AA935A2BEF04D86D9EA2F13@MOSTLOUIS2S301.ageast.one.usda.gov> Message-ID: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8466D@5825-ml.luck.net> And the problem with that questions is what? There has been much blood, sweat and tears poured in the development of this Coop and the LLC. They should expect to make a profit, and if they do, great. Profit is not a bad word. I expect that they will re-invest a good deal of this back into the business. Just because PB has increased their volume, it does not mean that they have covered their investments of money or time, or even know for sure what their real cost structure will be. There is a fair chance that there is no firm answer at this time. I would say just to expect the price to be where it has been for the last few years. I feel sure that if PB is able to manage their business and experience lower costs, that we could see a decrease in price. If we see lower prices, that is just a bonus. Chris -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Little, David - Wilson, NC Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:30 AM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] "So once again...Whats the price going to be?" Probably will be set by the answer to the question, "What can we get for it?" _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. ______________________________________________________________________ From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 17:17:03 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Fri Sep 1 16:01:36 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing Message-ID: <44F8953F.4020003@unity.ncsu.edu> Folks -- Here are some thoughts on fuels pricing: A) As I have followed this discussion, I have sometimes felt like people were mixing apples and oranges. As I see it, as a supporter of renewable energy, I want to have 2 things happen: 1) I want energy prices in general to get higher. We need high energy prices to make technologies that improve efficiency cost effective. High energy prices also make renewable energy sources more competetive and encourage consumers to conserve and adjust their life-styles to use less energy. 2) I want the prices of renewable fuels to be about the same or less than the price of non-renewables. High energy costs alone encourage conservation. Having the costs of renewables competetive encourages conversion to renewable sources. That is what needs to happen on the large scale. B) For me as an individual consumer, things look a little different. I make a certain amount of money. I need to live on my income. So long as biodiesel is more expensive than petro-diesel, my choice to use it means less money going to something else that I value. I personally have spend enough money on things that I value much less than the environmental benefits of biodiesel that this is relatively easy to choose biofuels most of the time. But I am also a single man with a decent job. Many households have much tighter budgets. It is a much harder choice for them. I don't want to see biofuels priced so that only the wealthy can afford them. -- Mark From wes at xitechusa.com Sat Sep 2 02:44:50 2006 From: wes at xitechusa.com (Wes Garrison) Date: Fri Sep 1 21:42:25 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: <44F7F809.7010908@rickyb.net> Message-ID: <021201c6ce52$e852f9f0$1d01a8c0@mediatower> I pay $3.50 for my BioDiesel, just like the rest of you, AND I sometimes shop at Wal-Mart. Wesley S. Garrison Network Engineer Xitech Communications, Inc. email wes@xitechusa.com mobile (919) 260-0803 fax (509) 278-1952 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:06 AM To: David Kovach Cc: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing Well I guess we are not going to get a price. Everyone can say they are doing for the best, for the future for god and county but if you want the Walmart crowd to buy it you better beat the price at the pump because they dont care about the future. Only price drives them and they hold the key to its acceptance. Right now our cost per gallon is around .85 cents. Save the earth fine but I wouldnt pay an extra two dollars to do it not when I can take the other two dollars and put it to energy saving use for maybe solar or wind. One can not get tunnel vision. It will take all the different resources we can use to make it all work. So once again...Whats the price going to be? > _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From evan at biofuels.coop Sat Sep 2 12:14:22 2006 From: evan at biofuels.coop (Evan Ashworth) Date: Sat Sep 2 07:12:15 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: <021201c6ce52$e852f9f0$1d01a8c0@mediatower> References: <44F7F809.7010908@rickyb.net> <021201c6ce52$e852f9f0$1d01a8c0@mediatower> Message-ID: <54523.66.93.240.247.1157210062.squirrel@isp.emji.net> Wes, Question for you: What does Wal-Mart provide that you can't get from local businesses? . . . -E. > I pay $3.50 for my BioDiesel, just like the rest of you, AND I sometimes > shop at Wal-Mart. > > Wesley S. Garrison > Network Engineer > Xitech Communications, Inc. > email wes@xitechusa.com > mobile (919) 260-0803 > fax (509) 278-1952 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:06 AM > To: David Kovach > Cc: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing > > Well I guess we are not going to get a price. Everyone can say they are > doing for the best, for the future for god and county but if you want > the Walmart crowd to buy it you better beat the price at the pump > because they dont care about the future. Only price drives them and > they hold the key to its acceptance. Right now our cost per gallon is > around .85 cents. Save the earth fine but I wouldnt pay an extra two > dollars to do it not when I can take the other two dollars and put it to > energy saving use for maybe solar or wind. One can not get tunnel > vision. It will take all the different resources we can use to make it > all work. So once again...Whats the price going to be? >> > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From wrenchwench at blast.com Sat Sep 2 12:28:26 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sat Sep 2 07:26:22 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: <54523.66.93.240.247.1157210062.squirrel@isp.emji.net> References: <44F7F809.7010908@rickyb.net> <021201c6ce52$e852f9f0$1d01a8c0@mediatower> <54523.66.93.240.247.1157210062.squirrel@isp.emji.net> Message-ID: Moderator request. Keep it biofuels related. I have received several complaints about how political this listserv has become. So please post only comments related to biofuels Thank you, Rachel On Sep 2, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Evan Ashworth wrote: > Wes, > > Question for you: What does Wal-Mart provide that you can't get from > local businesses? . . . > > -E. > > >> I pay $3.50 for my BioDiesel, just like the rest of you, AND I >> sometimes >> shop at Wal-Mart. >> >> Wesley S. Garrison >> Network Engineer >> Xitech Communications, Inc. >> email wes@xitechusa.com >> mobile (919) 260-0803 >> fax (509) 278-1952 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net >> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf >> Of Rick >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:06 AM >> To: David Kovach >> Cc: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net >> Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing >> >> Well I guess we are not going to get a price. Everyone can say >> they are >> doing for the best, for the future for god and county but if you want >> the Walmart crowd to buy it you better beat the price at the pump >> because they dont care about the future. Only price drives them and >> they hold the key to its acceptance. Right now our cost per >> gallon is >> around .85 cents. Save the earth fine but I wouldnt pay an extra two >> dollars to do it not when I can take the other two dollars and put >> it to >> energy saving use for maybe solar or wind. One can not get tunnel >> vision. It will take all the different resources we can use to >> make it >> all work. So once again...Whats the price going to be? >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wes at xitechusa.com Sat Sep 2 13:00:05 2006 From: wes at xitechusa.com (Wes Garrison) Date: Sat Sep 2 07:57:40 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: <54523.66.93.240.247.1157210062.squirrel@isp.emji.net> Message-ID: <022f01c6cea8$db575880$1d01a8c0@mediatower> I said "sometimes" :) It's the only local place I know right now to buy full synthetic Diesel motor oil (Shell Rotella "T" full synthetic). Do you have other sources for good Diesel Synthetic? Other than that, $5 -$10 DVDs. That's about it. Most other things are bought locally, or on the Internet. Wes Wesley S. Garrison Network Engineer Xitech Communications, Inc. email wes@xitechusa.com mobile (919) 260-0803 fax (509) 278-1952 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Evan Ashworth Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:14 AM To: Wes Garrison Cc: 'David Kovach'; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net; 'Rick' Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing Wes, Question for you: What does Wal-Mart provide that you can't get from local businesses? . . . -E. > I pay $3.50 for my BioDiesel, just like the rest of you, AND I sometimes > shop at Wal-Mart. > > Wesley S. Garrison > Network Engineer > Xitech Communications, Inc. > email wes@xitechusa.com > mobile (919) 260-0803 > fax (509) 278-1952 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Rick > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:06 AM > To: David Kovach > Cc: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing > > Well I guess we are not going to get a price. Everyone can say they are > doing for the best, for the future for god and county but if you want > the Walmart crowd to buy it you better beat the price at the pump > because they dont care about the future. Only price drives them and > they hold the key to its acceptance. Right now our cost per gallon is > around .85 cents. Save the earth fine but I wouldnt pay an extra two > dollars to do it not when I can take the other two dollars and put it to > energy saving use for maybe solar or wind. One can not get tunnel > vision. It will take all the different resources we can use to make it > all work. So once again...Whats the price going to be? >> > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wes at xitechusa.com Mon Sep 4 00:04:44 2006 From: wes at xitechusa.com (Wes Garrison) Date: Sun Sep 3 19:02:09 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Ethanol conversion In-Reply-To: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F84668@5825-ml.luck.net> Message-ID: <028901c6cfce$dfc79750$1d01a8c0@mediatower> I currently have a TDI Golf running B100, but I also have a Passat with a gasoline engine. Does anyone have technical knowledge of what would be required to run E85 ethanol in such a vehicle? It is my understanding that with a turbocharged engine (which I have, the 1.8T) this is feasible with changes to fuel lines and possibly ECU (Engine Computer) modification. Any interest in helping me tackle such a conversion? It is my goal to do this for myself and to help others do the same. Wes Wesley S. Garrison Network Engineer Xitech Communications, Inc. email wes@xitechusa.com mobile (919) 260-0803 fax (509) 278-1952 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Chris . Connor Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:06 AM To: BIG Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI Oil Help the newbie, please. Does anyone know where I can find VW Spec 505.01 oil for my 04 Golf, other than the VW dealership in Burlington. I was hoping to find some in Burlington or Pittsboro. Thanks for the help. Chris _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wes at xitechusa.com Tue Sep 5 00:43:11 2006 From: wes at xitechusa.com (Wes Garrison) Date: Mon Sep 4 19:40:33 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FlexTek Ethanol Conversion In-Reply-To: <022f01c6cea8$db575880$1d01a8c0@mediatower> Message-ID: <02b301c6d09d$68eaf7b0$1d01a8c0@mediatower> Has anyone heard of this company? http://flextek.com/index.htm Looks promising! Wes Wesley S. Garrison Network Engineer Xitech Communications, Inc. email wes@xitechusa.com mobile (919) 260-0803 fax (509) 278-1952 From aibodkin at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 11:27:43 2006 From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin) Date: Tue Sep 5 06:25:11 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: <44F8953F.4020003@unity.ncsu.edu> References: <44F8953F.4020003@unity.ncsu.edu> Message-ID: Good post Mark, one of the other challenges to contend with is the conventional *wisdom* that "vehicles were made for petrol and that is what I am going to put in it". I think a lot of people just don't believe they are not going to "screw up" their vehicle by using biofuel. I have actually experienced this feeling myself the first time I filled up with biodiesel, I made sure I had a reserve funds to allocate toward repairs if necessary....there are an awful lot of mixed messages that cause this, from fuel lines made of Viton (or not) or fuel pumps possibly needing a rebuild to the possibility of rubber seals... then there is a conflict of how long the stuff can be adequately stored, some say 6 months some say a year. The confusion adds to the uncertainty of potential impact to the vehicle... I think side by side, petrol vs. bio at the same customer cost, we'd still have challenges but it would certainly help push the people who are "on the fence"... Thanks ~A On 9/1/06, Mark J. Ambrose wrote: > Folks -- > > Here are some thoughts on fuels pricing: > > > A) > > As I have followed this discussion, I have sometimes felt like people > were mixing apples and oranges. As I see it, as a supporter of > renewable energy, I want to have 2 things happen: > > 1) I want energy prices in general to get higher. We need high > energy prices to make technologies that improve efficiency cost > effective. High energy prices also make renewable energy sources more > competetive and encourage consumers to conserve and adjust their > life-styles to use less energy. > > 2) I want the prices of renewable fuels to be about the same or less > than the price of non-renewables. High energy costs alone encourage > conservation. Having the costs of renewables competetive encourages > conversion to renewable sources. > > That is what needs to happen on the large scale. > > B) > > For me as an individual consumer, things look a little different. I > make a certain amount of money. I need to live on my income. So long > as biodiesel is more expensive than petro-diesel, my choice to use it > means less money going to something else that I value. I personally > have spend enough money on things that I value much less than the > environmental benefits of biodiesel that this is relatively easy to > choose biofuels most of the time. But I am also a single man with a > decent job. Many households have much tighter budgets. It is a much > harder choice for them. I don't want to see biofuels priced so that > only the wealthy can afford them. > > -- Mark > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From aibodkin at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 13:46:41 2006 From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin) Date: Tue Sep 5 08:44:05 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Tweakin, need some meth... Message-ID: ahaha, sorry I know this one has been brought up before but I either no longer have the emails or I didn't get the "final answer"... is there a local methanol supplier to Pittsboro NC or surrounding areas? Or does anyone have a recommendation for a distributer who "delivers" they might share? I thought this one was a little pricey... MONTHLY ORDER, GEM Methanol, 5 Gallon Item Number: GEMMETH-MO Price: $61.95 http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx?Merchant=highfuelsn&DeptID=81051 Any help appreciated... Thanks, Andy Don't drink (your fuel) and drive... From mattr at biofuels.coop Tue Sep 5 14:12:27 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Tue Sep 5 09:10:43 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Tweakin, need some meth... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427E00E8-ACDC-4754-A03C-C0ED003FC290@biofuels.coop> Try Hunter Oil in Sanford at 919-775-5651. Ask for Don, and tell him you got his name from Piedmont Biofuels. On Sep 5, 2006, at 12:46 PM, A Bodkin wrote: > ahaha, sorry I know this one has been brought up before but I either > no longer have the emails or I didn't get the "final answer"... > > is there a local methanol supplier to Pittsboro NC or surrounding > areas? Or does anyone have a recommendation for a distributer who > "delivers" they might share? > > > I thought this one was a little pricey... > > > MONTHLY ORDER, GEM Methanol, 5 Gallon > Item Number: GEMMETH-MO > Price: $61.95 > http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx?Merchant=highfuelsn&DeptID=81051 > > Any help appreciated... > > Thanks, > Andy > > Don't drink (your fuel) and drive... > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From mek1 at mindspring.com Tue Sep 5 15:01:03 2006 From: mek1 at mindspring.com (mek1) Date: Tue Sep 5 09:58:13 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Tweakin, need some meth... References: Message-ID: <000301c6d115$4132bb40$6502a8c0@MEK> Hi, How can I get off this list? I have requested several time by emailing the list address below but I can't seem to get removed. I am interested in bio-diesel but not in all the day to day conversations that take place. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it. Sincerely, Michele Karwoski mek1@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Bodkin" To: "Biofuels_Interest_Group@Lists. Emji. Net" Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Tweakin, need some meth... > ahaha, sorry I know this one has been brought up before but I either > no longer have the emails or I didn't get the "final answer"... > > is there a local methanol supplier to Pittsboro NC or surrounding > areas? Or does anyone have a recommendation for a distributer who > "delivers" they might share? > > > I thought this one was a little pricey... > > > MONTHLY ORDER, GEM Methanol, 5 Gallon > Item Number: GEMMETH-MO > Price: $61.95 > http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx?Merchant=highfuelsn&DeptID=81051 > > Any help appreciated... > > Thanks, > Andy > > Don't drink (your fuel) and drive... > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From mattr at biofuels.coop Tue Sep 5 16:59:56 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Tue Sep 5 11:57:43 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] How to unsubscribe from the BIG List In-Reply-To: <000301c6d115$4132bb40$6502a8c0@MEK> References: <000301c6d115$4132bb40$6502a8c0@MEK> Message-ID: How to unsubscribe from the BIG List For the record: To get off the Biofuels Information Group list you need only go to the bottom of any email on the list and follow this link: > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group At the bottom of that page is a place to enter your email to take yourself off the list. There is no reason to bother the entire list whenever you want to unsubscribe. On Sep 5, 2006, at 2:01 PM, mek1 wrote: > Hi, > > How can I get off this list? I have requested several time by > emailing the list address below but I can't seem to get removed. I > am interested in bio-diesel but not in all the day to day > conversations that take place. If anyone can help me I would > appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > > Michele Karwoski > mek1@mindspring.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Bodkin" > To: "Biofuels_Interest_Group@Lists. Emji. Net" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:46 PM > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Tweakin, need some meth... > > >> ahaha, sorry I know this one has been brought up before but I either >> no longer have the emails or I didn't get the "final answer"... >> >> is there a local methanol supplier to Pittsboro NC or surrounding >> areas? Or does anyone have a recommendation for a distributer who >> "delivers" they might share? >> >> >> I thought this one was a little pricey... >> >> >> MONTHLY ORDER, GEM Methanol, 5 Gallon >> Item Number: GEMMETH-MO >> Price: $61.95 >> http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx? >> Merchant=highfuelsn&DeptID=81051 >> >> Any help appreciated... >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> >> Don't drink (your fuel) and drive... >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From newobjects at nc.rr.com Wed Sep 6 13:04:53 2006 From: newobjects at nc.rr.com (Toby Sarver) Date: Wed Sep 6 08:02:48 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing In-Reply-To: <20060830154818.D0E7F4F4EA@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <200609061605.k86G4wjf010088@ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com> Folks, I've read this thread with some interest because $$$ can be very polarizing. I'd like to provide a different perspective. Perhaps the "right price" lies in classic economics. I think this thread has taken the macro-economic perspective, which is certainly not wrong, but I don't think it gets us closer to determining the price. Micro-economics says that the price should be the intersection of the demand and the supply curve, where the demand curve answers the question: "How many units would people buy (x-axis) at the given price (y-axis)?" The supply curve answers the question: "How many units would the seller (Industrial) be willing to provide (x-axis) at the given price (y-axis)?" The reality works out slightly differently because I believe we are willing to always produce biodiesel, and we would like to bring our costs down as much as possible, and charge as much as possible. I think people have an ethical problem charging "as much as the market will bear". I believe the ethical problem can be resolved in: 1) how the profits are utilized 2) whether running out of stock is harmful to customers 3) other considerations If we decide to use the profits to hasten the transition to a non-fossil fuel-based infrastructure, then we can certainly hold our heads high, regardless of what we charge. Therefore, I suggest we set the price that allows to sell just about as much as we make (at the same rate, averaged over a time period, e.g., 3 months). If we set the price below that of diesel, we would sell out the first day, and our problem would be "choosing" our customers, the people we would allow to buy at that price. If we set it above $3.50/gal, people will buy the out-of-state stuff (which is at a perceived infinite supply) rather than from Industrial. If we set it too high, it won't sell, or will sell at a rate that is below our rate of production. So that gives us a range of between pump price and $3.50/gal. Let's turn to transaction cost. How much does it cost us to sell biodiesel on the Tank Trail? Is it any cheaper (our costs) to sell in bulk (e.g., schools, delivery services, etc.)? Can we charge separately for delivery? If our transaction costs are indeed lower when selling in bulk, then perhaps we should only make available to the Tank Trail what we can't sell in bulk. Schools already see the value of improved emissions around children. Perhaps businesses could be convinced of the improved engine life and reduced maintenance (e.g., never a clogged injector) when using biodiesel. If you want to know the real price, then simply hold an auction. (I'd be happy to write the software for it, or we can give eBay a cut.) Sell lots ranging in size from 200 gal (sold first) to 20 gal. Or sell in 10 gal lots, and people can put in a bid like, "I'd like 5 lots at 3.21/gal," and the person who asks for more lots wins when the $/gal amount is the same. You could even make it a Dutch auction, which means everyone who wins their bid (or partially) pays the same price, but those who bid lower don't get anything (or pay anything). You basically order the bids by {$/gal,lot size} in descending order, then draw the line at the point where all the biodiesel has been allocated; everyone above the line pays the $/gal of the lowest winning bid. In this strategy, people who *really* want some biodiesel bid higher to ensure they're among the winners. This is especially amenable to selling a whole batch in one auction, and it meets the criteria of matching demand and supply. We could even sell "futures", meaning biodiesel that hasn't been produced yet, but is scheduled for production. If there's some reason the production fails, it simply pushes the schedule back for everyone, rather than penalizing the people with the bad luck to have bought during the failure. This obviously gets Industrial the money quicker, and ensures a customer for the biodiesel. Another advantage to an auction is that we know we're setting a "fair" price, because it's what people have told us they'll pay. I'm sorry I haven't been more specific in coming up with a price, but I hope I've given the decision-makers a framework in which to come to a conclusion. --Toby Sarver Hasten the day when the next energy infrastructure provides for everyone. -----Original Message----- From: David Kovach Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:48 AM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industrial Pricing Hi all - Once industrial is online and producing - what is the projected per gallon $ price going to be? How low can it possibly go? Obviously, if its driven down by .50 cents then wow... but, somehow I would assume volume production could drive it even lower. Thoughts? This is probably in your book or in your course or online curriculm... but... ya know... the shortest line between... Looking forward to the grand opening :-) Best Regards - David From shiftlink at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 14:36:48 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Wed Sep 6 09:34:05 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: New to the list In-Reply-To: <4c758e6d0609060940m28a2889sdc738d7133aa6a7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c758e6d0609060940m28a2889sdc738d7133aa6a7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c758e6d0609061036q77a0215bwaa9d1f301365527e@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cameron Conover Date: Sep 6, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: New to the list To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Hello, My Name is Cameron Conover, I've just signed up to the list. I am an ASE certified automotive technician. I also have years of experience with VW products, which I know a lot of you probably use. I am very interested in Bio-Fuels including Bio-Diesel, Methanol, and Ethanol. I'm not as interested in SVO, because It seems to me that it is a little impractical. I am interested in conversions that make it possible to run Ethanol/Methanol in Gasoline powered vehicles. If anyone is planning such a conversion, I would consider being a part of the process. I am also involved in SCCA club racing, as a chief mechanic for two racing cars. We have had a lot of success competing in long, 12-13 hour, endurance races. And I was happy to learn recently that the SCCA has opened a classification for diesel powered cars, which may make it possible for us to race a TDI in an enduro one day. I was also very happy to follow the success of the Audi R-10 TDI at the 24 hours of LeMans. I am very interested in conservation, including photovoltaic, and micro-hydro, as well as wind generators for home use. Hopefully I will learn something here, and maybe even be able to contribute something to the community. I am located near Greensboro NC, right now, and hope to relocate to Alamance county in the near Future, I prefer country living. When we, my wife and I, do move, we hope to live off the grid using micro-hydro and photovoltaic power sources. One of the racing projects: http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/events06.php http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/build4.php Thank You, Cameron Conover From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com Wed Sep 6 15:33:49 2006 From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl) Date: Wed Sep 6 10:31:07 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: New to the list Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC36C487@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Hi Cameron, Welcome to the BIG list. Come on out to the Coop sometime, we'd like to show you around...http://www.biofuels.coop/ Cheers, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Cameron Conover Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 1:37 PM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: New to the list ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cameron Conover Date: Sep 6, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: New to the list To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Hello, My Name is Cameron Conover, I've just signed up to the list. I am an ASE certified automotive technician. I also have years of experience with VW products, which I know a lot of you probably use. I am very interested in Bio-Fuels including Bio-Diesel, Methanol, and Ethanol. I'm not as interested in SVO, because It seems to me that it is a little impractical. I am interested in conversions that make it possible to run Ethanol/Methanol in Gasoline powered vehicles. If anyone is planning such a conversion, I would consider being a part of the process. I am also involved in SCCA club racing, as a chief mechanic for two racing cars. We have had a lot of success competing in long, 12-13 hour, endurance races. And I was happy to learn recently that the SCCA has opened a classification for diesel powered cars, which may make it possible for us to race a TDI in an enduro one day. I was also very happy to follow the success of the Audi R-10 TDI at the 24 hours of LeMans. I am very interested in conservation, including photovoltaic, and micro-hydro, as well as wind generators for home use. Hopefully I will learn something here, and maybe even be able to contribute something to the community. I am located near Greensboro NC, right now, and hope to relocate to Alamance county in the near Future, I prefer country living. When we, my wife and I, do move, we hope to live off the grid using micro-hydro and photovoltaic power sources. One of the racing projects: http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/events06.php http://it2.evaluand.com/gti/build4.php Thank You, Cameron Conover _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From swilliams at cccc.edu Thu Sep 7 13:53:27 2006 From: swilliams at cccc.edu (Stelfanie Williams) Date: Thu Sep 7 08:51:08 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Greenbuilding program Message-ID: The following is a press release of a new program in Carpentry Construction with an emphasis on Greenbuilding at CCCC. It is a partnered effort of CCCC, Habitat for Humanity, Earth Renewal Shelter, and Advanced Energy: PITTSBORO - "Green building" - classes on environmentally friendly construction -have been added to the Continuing Education fall schedule at Central Carolina Community College's Pittsboro Campus. The green building classes will offer techniques and skills for energy-efficient construction and for utilizing materials that have less impact on the environment. The classes start Sept. 12. "I'm very excited about the potential this new program offers students, the construction industry and consumers to demonstrate alternative building techniques which can decrease the environmental impacts of our buildings," said Harvey Harman, an instructor in the program and owner of Earth Renewal Shelter, a green building company in Chatham County. "With the cost of energy remaining high and the impacts of our energy and material use on the environment and our health, green building is a positive solution for the construction industry." The classes are all geared towards getting practical experience. Harman said his goal is to give people job and life skills they can immediately put to use. "With the amount of construction happening in the Triangle area, I would like to see local people get these jobs and incorporate green building techniques in new homes," he said. CCCC and the green building program are also partnering with Chatham County Habitat for Humanity to help build several unique energy-efficient houses next year. The first is the Sarah Weber House, winner of the 2006 Sustainable Design Competition sponsored by Advanced Energy Corporation, of Raleigh. It was designed by a team of North Carolina State University students. The house includes special features such as passive solar design, energy-efficient construction, rainwater catchment systems and an efficient floor plan to utilize spaces effectively. Another home to be built will use a highly energy-efficient insulated concrete wall system designed and fabricated by International Precast, Inc., in Siler City. "I am excited about partnering with CCCC, Advanced Energy and International Precast," said Gabriela Rife, construction manager for Chatham Habitat. "I believe that energy efficiency is an integral component of affordable housing." Some of the CCCC green building students will work on-site with Habitat for hands-on experience in green building techniques. "I think these green building classes have incredible potential, and they complement our sustainability programs on farming and biofuel production," said Stelfanie Williams, director of Continuing Education at the Chatham Campus. Classes beginning this fall include: "Green Building Design," "Fundamentals of Carpentry with Emphasis on Green Building," "Blueprint Reading," and "Energy Efficiency for Green Building." Students taking a core curriculum of six classes with two additional recommended classes qualify for a certificate in "Construction Carpentry with an emphasis on Green Building." For more information on the Green Building program, call Williams at (919) 542-6495, ext. 224. To register for a class, call (919) 542-6495, ext. 223 or go online to . From wrightmw at wfu.edu Thu Sep 7 14:14:50 2006 From: wrightmw at wfu.edu (Marcus Wright) Date: Thu Sep 7 09:12:04 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 55 gal black plastic drums Message-ID: <4500538A.2000708@wfu.edu> If someone wants about 30 black plastic drums (almost all have bungs) for $3.00/drum let me know. They are located in Winston-Salem, near Wake Forest University. Marcus From aibodkin at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 15:36:35 2006 From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin) Date: Thu Sep 7 10:33:47 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FFA? Message-ID: I have a question about the content level of free fatty acids in used vegetable oil... how do they get there? Are they in the oil from the beginning or are they created predominantly by the type of oil usage or is the level of FFA caused by oil not being changed out in a timely fashion during food preparation? I am kind of simple when it comes to this type of discussion, so please talk slowly when responding...:0) Thanks for any help, Andy From newobjects at nc.rr.com Fri Sep 8 00:24:44 2006 From: newobjects at nc.rr.com (Toby Sarver) Date: Thu Sep 7 19:22:26 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FFA? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200609080325.k883P1ms002097@ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com> Andy, For the most part they get there by being used to fry things, i.e.. by heat. Virgin oils are much less likely to have FFA's, and oils that have been stored correctly have almost none. Yes, the longer the oil is used, the more FFA's it has. FFA's can also arise due to water in the oil (I think). I'm sorry, I couldn't type any slower because it's time for bed here. BTW, Journey to Forever is a good source for answers to all kinds of questions. Good luck, --Toby Sarver -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of A Bodkin Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:37 PM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@Lists. Emji. Net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FFA? I have a question about the content level of free fatty acids in used vegetable oil... how do they get there? Are they in the oil from the beginning or are they created predominantly by the type of oil usage or is the level of FFA caused by oil not being changed out in a timely fashion during food preparation? I am kind of simple when it comes to this type of discussion, so please talk slowly when responding...:0) Thanks for any help, Andy _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From david at majorfracas.com Tue Sep 5 21:01:29 2006 From: david at majorfracas.com (David Calhoun) Date: Fri Sep 8 04:15:12 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: FlexTek Ethanol Conversion Message-ID: <44FE0FD9.2080306@majorfracas.com> You might also want to compare the FlexTek solution to these others: Full Flex: http://www.fullflexint.com/ Flextune: http://www.flextune.com/ (Get the feeling that "flex" is a popular buzz word?) You might also want to check out this thread (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803341) in which someone documents running E85 in their Subaru with minimal modifications. Inspired by this, I'm trying my own experiment in my car with my first tank of 1:2 E85/gasoline mix (works out to approximately E29 ;-). So far I haven't noticed any difference. I'm going to track the mpg and then slowly up the ratio over time. I have a hunch that if I could rework the fuel map (assuming I knew how and could acquire the tools) that I could probably run E85 without problems. So when is Piedmont Biofuels going to start distilling ethanol for all us gas burners? (joke!) David > Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:43:11 -0400 > From: "Wes Garrison" > > Has anyone heard of this company? > > http://flextek.com/index.htm > > Looks promising! > > Wes From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Sep 7 17:30:42 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Sep 8 04:15:14 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Bioenergy and Biofuels References: <06e901c6d2ba$d15e5c50$c8fede18@owner1102acf97> Message-ID: <711970B4-244C-40A8-A141-E081000109BC@blast.com> fyi Begin forwarded message: > From: ep-overviews > Date: September 7, 2006 4:14:39 PM EDT > To: rachel@biofuels.coop > Subject: Bioenergy and Biofuels > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > Editor: C.V. Clute > > September 8, 2006 > > > > > > > Readers of ep Overviews want to know about your company or > organization’s conferences, services, and products > > > > Industry leaders follow Bioenergy & Biofuels developments and > opportunities with ep Overviews’ time and cost effective daily > email reports. To deliver your information directly to your > industry’s decision makers, send your press releases, conference > announcements, and observations on your industry to > editor@epoverviews.com or fax to 902-273-3001. > > > > For a complimentary 10-day subscription to Bioenergy & Biofuels > call 866-558-3001 or visit www.epoverviews.com. (Source: ep > Overviews Publishing Inc.) > > > Contact: A. Collicutt: acollicutt@epoverviews.com telephone: (866) > 558-3001 or C.V. Clute; Editor; editor@epoverviews.com > > > > > > Earth Biofuels aquires interest in Louisiana Ethanol (G&C) > > Earth Biofuels, Inc.through its subsidiary, Earth Ethanol, Inc., > will purchase 50% of South Louisiana Ethanol, L.L.C., (SLE) a > Louisiana limited liability company. SLE owns a former ethanol > production facility in Plaquemines Parish, located southeast ofNew > Orleans on the Mississippi River. The facility is scheduled for > reconstruction, and will produce ethanol derived from corn. > According to Dennis McLaughlin, chairman and chief executive > officer of Earth Biofuels, Inc. "the strategic advantages of this > facility include a nearby grain storage silo, which will help in > controlling costs by allowing real-time purchasing, and direct > access to both rail and water." The reconstruction is expected to > be completed in the third quarter of 2007, and the facility's > production capacity is projected to be at least 65 million gallons > per year. (Source: biz.yahoo.com, Sept.05,’06) > > Contact: Earth Biofuels: Dennis McLaughlin, Chief Executive > Officer, telephone (214) 634-6291, www.earthbiofuels.com > > > GS AgriFuels building 10 million gallon biodiesel, 5 million gallon > ethanol production facility in Memphis, Tennessee (G&C) > > GS AgriFuels Corporation will build an integrated multi-feedstock, > multi-fuels production facility in Memphis, Tennessee later this > year. The company hopes that feedstock diversification and > proprietary new technologies, will mitigate the risks associates > with the use of only soy or corn as a raw material. GS AgriFuels > intends to use standard fuel production technologies and a number > of proprietary technologies, including innovative pre-treatment, > process intensification, gasification, catalytic, and carbon > capture technologies, synergistically at small-scales to enable the > refining of many forms of biomass into clean fuels, including > biodiesel and ethanol. > > GS AgriFuels' planned Memphis facility will have an initial > nameplate capacity of 10 million gallons of biodiesel and 5 million > gallons of ethanol, methanol and/or biomass-derived synthetic > diese. Production will start in 2007. Eventually, GS AgriFuels' > expects be able to produce more than 45 millions of gallons of fuel > annually at itsMemphis, Tennessee facility (Source: Business Wires, > Sept.06,’06) > Contact: GS Agrifuels, Kevin Kreisler, Chairman and Chief Executive > Officer, telephone: (212) 994-5374 email: info@gs-agrfuels.com, > www.gs-agrifuels.com > > University of St. Andrews looking for commercial partners for > hydrogen generation technology applications (R&D) > > The university of St. Andrews in Scotland has developed a hydrogen > generation technology based on high-temperature electrolysis that > it now wants to commercialise. The technology consists of a steam > electrolyser based on a micro-electrolyte concept. The electrolyte > is a proton-conducting thin solid film (10-50 microns) deposited on > a redox-stable porous substrate. The assembly operates in the range > of 400-600C and at steam partial pressures of 0.1-10 atmospheres. > According toSt. Andrews researchers, it would appear that the > proton-conducting electrolyser technology offers a "step-change > reduction in the capital and operating costs". In addition, St > Andrews claims the device has the potential to operate with > increased efficiency and at lower cost than competing technologies, > producing pure, dry and ready-to-use hydrogen. The university has > applied for UK and PCT patent protection. (Source: Aberdeen Press > Journal Sept.’05,’06) > > Contact: St. Andrews University, Alistair Main, Associate Director, > Research and Enterprise Services, telephone 44 (0)1334 462165, > email: abm4@st-and.ac.uk, > > > > GS CleanTech Releases Process Demonstration of CO2 Bioreactor > Technology (R&D) > > GS CleanTech is releasing a process demonstration of GS CleanTech's > patented carbon dioxide bioreactor technology. GS CleanTech's CO2 > Bioreactor efficiently converts a concentrated supply of CO2 into > oxygen and biomass. The oxygen output of the bioreactor can be used > to increase the efficiency of, and decrease the emissions > associated with, on-site combustion and other processes. The > biomass output of the bioreactor can be harvested and converted > into ethanol, biodiesel and/or biomass-derived synthetic fuels > through an enzymatic process or, preferably, gasification followed > by catalytic conversion into liquid fuels. (Source: usiness Wires, > Sept.06,’06) > > Contact: GS CleanTech Corporation, telephone: (212) 994-5374, > www.gs-cleantech.com > East Fork Biodiesel starts construction on 60 million gallon Algona > plant (G&C) > > Construction has started on East Fork Biodiesel’s plant in Algona. > The plant will turn out 60 million gallons of biodiesel a year. > Production is expected to start in late 2007.According to Ken > Clark, president of the East Fork Biodiesel Board of Directors, the > plant will get soybean oil from processors rather than directly > from farmers. Clark said about 42 million bushels of soybeans a > year will be used to make the oil, which will be refined into > biodiesel. REG Inc. of Ralston will be the construction project > manager and Todd & Sargent of Ames will be the general contractor. > Earlier this year, East Fork BioDiesel received $400,000 in Iowa > Economic Development funding for the project. (Source: The > Messenger, Sept.06,’06) > > > Contact: East Fork Biodiesel: Ken Clark, President, telephone: > (515) 395-8888 > > REG Inc.: Nile Ramsbottom, President and Chief Operating Officer, > telephone: (712) 667-3500, www.renewable-energy-group.com. Todd & > Sargeant: Clint D. Steele, Vice President Marketing, telephone: > (515) 956-4814, csteele@tsargent.com > > > > Baltimore Biodiesel LLC runs into community resistance for new > $4,000,000 US plant in Princess Anne, MD (G&C) > > Baltimore Biodiesel LLC Inc. of Columbia, Md., are seeking planning > and zoning approval for a 5,600-square-foot processing facility in > Princess Anne, that would produce an estimated 10,000 gallons of > biodiesel from soybean oil. Principals at the Baltimore firm > unveiled details of the plan at a meeting of the Princess Anne > Planning and Zoning Commission that met to examine preliminary site > specifications and field questions from residents, some of whom > were concerned about community safety. Critics of the plan argued > that the facility should be built out of the town limits, and > called for limits on expansion of the proposed 10,000, 25,000 and > 35,000 tank storage capacity. Erik Lytikainen, President of > Baltimore Biodiesel, defended the alternative fuel saying the > product that also mixes lye and methanol, an ingredient in vehicle > windshield cleaner, is safe. He also indicated that the Princess > Anne facility would be its first of several proposed in Maryland. > (Source:Daily Times, Salisbury, MD, Sept.06,’06) > > Contact: Erik Lytikainen, President, Email: telephone: > 443-980-2548Erik@royallenergy.com, www.baltimorebiodieselllc.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > ep Overviews Publishing, Inc. > Box 835, Chester, N.S., B0J 1J0, Canada www.epoverviews.com > 866-558-3001 ph. 902-273-3001 fax. > All rights reserved. All ep Overviews publications are fully > protected by copyright law and may not be reproduced or > redistributed in any manner whatsoever without the publisher's > prior written consent. > > > > From panthercat at gmail.com Fri Sep 8 12:59:37 2006 From: panthercat at gmail.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Fri Sep 8 07:56:45 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NC Greenpower? Message-ID: <4b6e46c90609080859s47c1d0f0q33064aa207604cdc@mail.gmail.com> Anybody familar with this Progress Energy option? There are two Greenpower PDF's here http://www.progress-energy.com/aboutenergy/rates/nctariffs.asp Basically you can opt to buy energy from biomass (staying on topic =), wind, solar, etc. -Carlos From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Sep 8 13:14:45 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Sep 8 08:12:06 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: [nc-ag-energy] FW: Energy Connections on OPEN/net: Biofuels References: Message-ID: <3F69456E-0B4A-4A68-A94A-ACC5FBED0DA3@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Tazewell, Anne" > Date: September 8, 2006 10:50:30 AM EDT > To: > Subject: [nc-ag-energy] FW: Energy Connections on OPEN/net: Biofuels > Reply-To: "Tazewell, Anne" , nc-ag- > energy@lists.ncsu.edu > > > > __ > > > > September 12, 2006 > > 9-10:00 p.m. Biofuels > > > > > > > > Biofuels, like biodiesel and ethanol, are made from agricultural > products and can be used in place of petroleum gasoline. Because > biofuels cause less pollution, many experts are looking to this > renewable energy source as the fuel of the future. Join our panel > of experts on OPEN/net Tuesday, September 12 from 9-10:00 p.m. to > find out more about biofuels and their availability in North > Carolina. Here to talk with you will be: > > Toben Freid, coordinator, Triangle Clean Cities Coalition, Triangle > J Council of Governments, > > Ben Rich, biomass program coordinator, N.C. Solar Center, N.C. > State University, and > Leif Forer, co-founder, Piedmont Biofuels, a member-owned > cooperative that promotes, produces & distributes biodiesel. > > Send in your questions and comments by email to or call in, toll > free, to > 1-888-228-6736. > > Find your local cable channel that carries OPEN/net on APT's web site: > www.ncapt.tv/local.htm. Download live streaming video from APT's > web site (www.ncapt.tv) on September 12 from 9-10:00 p.m. > > __ > > General Information about OPEN/net:-------------- next part -------------- > > OPEN/net is a statewide, cable television call-in program about > state government produced by the Agency for Public > Telecommunications (APT) in the N.C. Dept. of Administration. Over > 42,500 citizens from across the state have spoken with policymakers > on OPEN/net since the program first went on the air in 1984. OPEN/ > net is a public-private partnership - produced by the state and > made possible by donated air time from North Carolinacable > companies every Tuesday night from 8-10:00 p.m. Find your local > OPEN/net affiliate on APT's web site:www.ncapt.tv/local.htm. In > addition, OPEN/net is available on the internet (www.ncapt.tv) and > on C-Band satellite (Intelsat A-6, Transponder 17V). > > > > Anne Tazewell > > Transportation Program Manager > > North Carolina Solar Center/NCSU > > Box 7902 > > Raleigh, NC 27695-7902 > > Phone: 919-513-7831 > > Fax: 919-515-6159 > > Email: anne_tazewell@ncsu.edu > > > > Visit www.NCAltfuels.blogspot.com - > > a forum for alternative fuels and advanced transportation > technologies in North Carolina > > > > > > > > From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com Fri Sep 8 20:27:50 2006 From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl mark) Date: Fri Sep 8 15:25:20 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FFA? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4501FC76.4020205@localb100.com> When you cook food in the oil, the water in the food helps break up the oil to FFA and leave the rest of each oil molecule as either diglyceride or monoglyceride, or , eventually, free glycerine. We can make biodiesel out of either oil or diglyceride and monoglyceride, so we dont care about the level of those chemicals in the original oil- but if you try and make biodiesel out of FFA using the normal bipodiesel process, you'll make soap instead. Soapmakers make soap out of oil by using some water in the recipe, which makes FFA form- the water helps break up the oil into it's constituent FFA chains, which instantly react with lye in the soapmaking process to make ... soap. ALso, the process of rotting can make oil turn into high-FFA oil- so if there's a barrel of oil sitting for a while in the back of a restaurant in the summertime, bacteria can help break it down into some nasty stuff, primarily in the hot weather. Mark A Bodkin wrote: > I have a question about the content level of free fatty acids in used > vegetable oil... how do they get there? Are they in the oil from the > beginning or are they created predominantly by the type of oil usage > or is the level of FFA caused by oil not being changed out in a timely > fashion during food preparation? > > I am kind of simple when it comes to this type of discussion, so > please talk slowly when responding...:0) > > > Thanks for any help, > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From aibodkin at gmail.com Mon Sep 11 11:59:18 2006 From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin) Date: Mon Sep 11 06:56:13 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FFA? In-Reply-To: <4501FC76.4020205@localb100.com> References: <4501FC76.4020205@localb100.com> Message-ID: "..When you cook food in the oil, the water in the food helps break up the oil to FFA and leave the rest of each oil molecule as either diglyceride or monoglyceride, or , eventually, free glycerine. We can make biodiesel out of either oil or diglyceride and monoglyceride, so we dont care about the level of those chemicals in the original oil- but if you try and make biodiesel out of FFA using the normal bipodiesel process, you'll make soap instead..." Thanks Mark, The reason for the question is that I have read from different sources that Chinese food shops are a very reliable source for consistent used vegetable oil which didn't make much sense. What do the Chinese do that (for our purposes) are "better" than the rest? I have a pretty good relationship with some local restaurant managers in the area and was wondering if there might be some guidance I could give them to help our cause.... it sounds like "water in the food" is not manageable but the storage of the oil after it is utilized for cooking purposes might be... I appreciate all of the responses, if anyone can think of anything else please send it on...the more restaurant managers working on "our side" to promote the cause the better... Thanks Again, Andy On 9/8/06, girl mark wrote: > When you cook food in the oil, the water in the food helps break up the > oil to FFA and leave the rest of each oil molecule as either > diglyceride or monoglyceride, or , eventually, free glycerine. We can > make biodiesel out of either oil or diglyceride and monoglyceride, so we > dont care about the level of those chemicals in the original oil- but if > you try and make biodiesel out of FFA using the normal bipodiesel > process, you'll make soap instead. > > Soapmakers make soap out of oil by using some water in the recipe, which > makes FFA form- the water helps break up the oil into it's constituent > FFA chains, which instantly react with lye in the soapmaking process to > make ... soap. > > ALso, the process of rotting can make oil turn into high-FFA oil- so if > there's a barrel of oil sitting for a while in the back of a restaurant > in the summertime, bacteria can help break it down into some nasty > stuff, primarily in the hot weather. > > Mark > > > A Bodkin wrote: > > > I have a question about the content level of free fatty acids in used > > vegetable oil... how do they get there? Are they in the oil from the > > beginning or are they created predominantly by the type of oil usage > > or is the level of FFA caused by oil not being changed out in a timely > > fashion during food preparation? > > > > I am kind of simple when it comes to this type of discussion, so > > please talk slowly when responding...:0) > > > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Sep 10 22:54:31 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 12 04:00:45 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Green Building Certificate at CCCC References: <015101c6d51e$8b8ff380$e06227a2@BRANIAC> Message-ID: <925D0F13-26FF-4835-B811-D8353E2EC23C@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Harvey Harman" > Date: September 10, 2006 5:16:01 PM EDT > To: "Harvey Harman" > Cc: > Subject: Fw: CCCC Certificate Program in Green Building Flyer > > >>> Attached is the flyer for the Green Building Carpentry classes >>> for this >> fall >>> at CCCC. There is an additional class in "Green Building Design" >>> that > will >>> focus more on earth based building techniques (like cob, slip straw, > straw >>> bale, etc.) that is meeting on Tuesday nights starting September 12. > Any >>> help you can provide passing this information along to people who >>> might > be >>> interested would be much appreciated. Right now what we need is >>> to get >>> enough students signed up for each class. If that can happen this > program >>> can really take off!! Many thanks. --Harvey >>> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 12 09:06:53 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 12 04:03:42 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Virginia Beach School Buses Cleaning Up Their Act With Biodiesel Fuel Message-ID: http://biobased.org/list2.php?storyid=10013 From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 12 09:09:39 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 12 04:06:30 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Modern, Clean Diesel Technology Made Better with Biodiesel, DaimlerChrysler Executive Says Message-ID: <38D8831C-C5C5-4042-A173-E55BA4B07099@blast.com> http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/09/08/021196.html From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 12 09:14:34 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 12 07:10:41 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Bioenergy and Biofuels References: <12ca01c6d664$19250cd0$c8fede18@owner1102acf97> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: ep-overviews > Date: September 12, 2006 8:01:54 AM EDT > To: rachel@biofuels.coop > Subject: Bioenergy and Biofuels > > > > > > > > > > > > > Editor: C.V. Clute > > September 11, 2006 > > > > > > > Loan guarantees for cellulosic ethanol production possible in 2007 > (R&D ? G&C) > > > Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman has indicated his department expects > to issue loan guarantees next year for the first projects to make > fuel alcohol from crop waste, prairie grasses or trees rather than > corn. Despite research by government and private scientists to > reduce the cost of cellulosic ethanol, the Energy Department > estimates that it still costs $2.20 a gallon for cellulosic ethanol > generally. Brent Erickson, vice president of the industrial and > environmental section at the Biotechnology Industry Organization, > said, ?I think we?ll see some announcements here and they will be > built in two to three years.? (Source: DesMoines Register, Sept. > 07?06) > > Contact: U.S. Department of Energy, Samuel Bodman, Secretary, > telephone: (800) 342-5363, email: The.Secretary@hq.doe.gov. > Biotechnology Industry Organization: Brent Erickson, VP Industrial > and Environmental Section, telephone: (202) 962-9200, email: > info@bio.org, www.bio.org > > University of Nottingham, UK, reports a new material that absorbs > significant amounts of hydrogen (R&D) > > Neil Champness of the University of Nottingham, UK, and his > colleagues has developed a coordination framework material that is > very close to the US Department of Energy target for 2010. Safe, > efficient storage of hydrogen gas is one of the key technological > hurdles in the quest to develop vehicles that can be powered by > hydrogen fuel cells. The US Department of Energy (DOE) has set a > storage target for such materials that requires them to hold at > least 6.5 per cent of their own weight in hydrogen gas by 2010. > The team?s framework materials combined copper with molecular > chains of benzene rings, each carrying four carboxylic acid groups. > At pressures of 20 bar, the materials could store up to 6.07 per > cent by weight of hydrogen. However, the materials currently > require low temperatures to achieve the high loading of hydrogen. > Because this would limit their practicality in vehicles, his team > is working to improve this aspect of their materials. (Source: > Chemistry World, Sept.07,?06) > > Contact: University of Nottingham, Neil Champness, telephone: 44 (0) > 115 9513505, email: neil.champness@nottingham.ac.uk > > > Alabama BioEnergy receives $500,000 US for Bridgeport > Alabamasoybean biodiesel plant (G&C) > > > > Alabama BioEnergy Inc. has received a $500,000 USDA Rural > Development Renewal Energy Program grant for the conversion of a > 50,000-square-foot plant, located at the site of the former Jacobs > Manufacturing cast-iron plant, to a soybean biodiesel production > facility. According to Bill Freeman of Alabama BioEnergy, his > plant?s production process will be similar to the Tennessee > BioEnergy plant inManchester. That plant produces about 10,000 > gallons of soybean oil-based fuel a day. Freeman said he will use > soybeans from farms in Alabama and neighboring states. The oil will > be extracted at mills in Decatur and Guntersville, and the fuel > will be stored in six 30,000-gallon tanks. From there, the fuel > will be pumped into rail cars, tractor-trailer rigs and barges > nearby at the Alabama State Docks on the Tennessee River. (Source: > Huntsville Times, Sept.09.?06) > > > Contact: Alabama Bioenergy, Inc. Founder, William Freeman (Editor?s > note, Alabama BioEnergy Inc. are members of the National BioDiesel > Board, www.biodiesel.org ? but further detailed contact could not > be found at this time.) > > > Freight costs to help Illinois corn ethanol production (G&C) > > Illinois could benefit from cheaper rail transport links to boost > corn based ethanol production according to Ron Weinzierl of the > Illinois Corn Growers Association. Weinzieryl says that Illinois > has one unique comparative advantage. ?It has five, Class I > railroads? linking with both coasts and the south. Illinois can get > ethanol to the East Coast better than any other state, especially > those west of the Mississippi,? he said. ?That means that in > Illinois the ethanol plants can pay 50 cents more per bushel than > they can in Iowa and still make more money.? (Source: The Daily > Journal, IL, Sept. 09,?06) > > Contact Illinois Corn Growers Association, Rodney Weinzierl - > Executive Director, telephone: (309) 557-3257, email: > weinzier@ilcorn.org > > Virgin Group invests $400,000,000 US in renewable energy projects > (G&C) > > > > Virgin Group has launched an investment fund for environmentally > friendly fuels. Founder, Richard Branson said the new Virgin Fuels > business will invest up to ?214m ($400 million US) in renewable > energy initiatives over the next three years. Virgin Fuels? first > investment will be in Cilion Inc., a California-based company that > makes corn based ethanol. Cilion was formed earlier in 2006 by > Western Milling, California?s largest grain milling company, and > Khosla Ventures, a venture assistance and venture capital firm. The > company plans to build seven or eight plants with capacity to > produce as much as 440 million gallons a day of ethanol by 2009. > The first three units will be built in California. > > Western Milling will provide ethanol production, grain handling, > logistics and feed expertise, while Khosla Ventures will contribute > company building and financial experience. Richard Branson of > Virgin plans to expand the investment program, which will also > target other forms of alternative energy, into the U.K., Europe and > other parts of the World. (Source: Thisismoney.co.uk, Sept.10,?06) > > Contact: Virgin Group: www.virgin.com. Cilion: www.cilion.com. > Western Milling: Kevin Kruse, President, Western Milling Phone: > (559) 302-1000,www.westernmilling.com. Kholsa Ventures: telephone: > (650) 233-3492, email:cj@khoslaventures.com > > > Prineville Sawmill Company of Oregon receives $44,000 grant for > wood fueled biomass boiler (G&C) > > The Prineville Sawmill Company (PSC), of Prineville, Oregon > received a $44,000 grant from the USDA Renewable Energy System > Grant Program for its boiler system to fire the kilns for its new > lumber drying facility. The 500-horsepower boiler is expected to > burn 6,300 bone-dry tons of woody biomass fuel in its first year of > operation at a fuel cost of approximately $240,000. The PSC also > anticipates the award of a $44,800 Business Energy Tax Credit from > the State of Oregon. (Source: KTVZ.com, Sept.08,?06). > > Contact: Prineville Sawmill Company, Craig Woodward, CEO, > telephone: (541) 447-3841. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > ep Overviews Publishing, Inc. > Box 835, Chester, N.S., B0J 1J0, Canada www.epoverviews.com > 866-558-3001 ph. 902-273-3001 fax. > All rights reserved. All ep Overviews publications are fully > protected by copyright law and may not be reproduced or > redistributed in any manner whatsoever without the publisher's > prior written consent. > > > > From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 12 12:15:55 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 12 07:14:38 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Message-ID: Woods Charter in Chatham County is looking for a school bus. Please contact Laura if you know of one for sale: laural@blast.com Thanks! From lyle at blast.com Tue Sep 12 12:32:36 2006 From: lyle at blast.com (Lyle Estill) Date: Tue Sep 12 07:26:25 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NC Green Power Message-ID: <310C5FD6-964E-4B85-903B-B4212F904EED@blast.com> Carlos and company, NC Green Power represents a voluntary, tax deductible donation that you can make via your power bill. Donations go into the pot, which is managed by Advanced Energy, which then spends the money on renewable sources of generation. I believe it is a great program, that has been poorly marketed. Although it has a very low adoption rate, it does stimulate investment in renewables. If more people signed on to the program, it would send the message that North Carolinians want green power instead of just another nuke plant. I am both a donor and a power producer with NC Green Power. Lyle Estill Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 Fax: 919-321-6769 From lyle at blast.com Tue Sep 12 12:49:24 2006 From: lyle at blast.com (Lyle Estill) Date: Tue Sep 12 07:46:46 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Sorry Message-ID: I don't know about employer matching. My guess is it would vary from employer to employer. Lyle Estill Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 Fax: 919-321-6769 From marc at theforestfoundation.org Tue Sep 12 13:38:00 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Tue Sep 12 08:42:19 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Ethanol Car chips Message-ID: Hey Everyone: Just had a fire department inspector come by... yes and my heart jumped, "what did I do now?!" Okay, guilt aside, he actually came by with an interest in importing the ethanol compatible car chips from Brazil (the guy's Colombian and has buddies down that way). I was told that they are cheap, easy to install but illegal as an after market accessory. Anybody know the deal on these? Marc CarolinaBiofuels.org From wes at xitechusa.com Tue Sep 12 13:47:21 2006 From: wes at xitechusa.com (Wes Garrison) Date: Tue Sep 12 08:44:04 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NC Green Power In-Reply-To: <310C5FD6-964E-4B85-903B-B4212F904EED@blast.com> Message-ID: <050c01c6d68b$1e1cf410$1d01a8c0@mediatower> Just to second Lyle's comment, NC Greenpower is a great way to encourage renewables. You can buy it through Duke and Progress, and I'm sure most of the NC utilities. Sort of similar to buying a TerraPass for your car, except that TerraPass is a for profit company. See www.terrapass.com Wes Wesley S. Garrison Network Engineer Xitech Communications, Inc. email wes@xitechusa.com mobile (919) 260-0803 fax (509) 278-1952 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Lyle Estill Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:33 AM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NC Green Power Carlos and company, NC Green Power represents a voluntary, tax deductible donation that you can make via your power bill. Donations go into the pot, which is managed by Advanced Energy, which then spends the money on renewable sources of generation. I believe it is a great program, that has been poorly marketed. Although it has a very low adoption rate, it does stimulate investment in renewables. If more people signed on to the program, it would send the message that North Carolinians want green power instead of just another nuke plant. I am both a donor and a power producer with NC Green Power. Lyle Estill Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 Fax: 919-321-6769 _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From tobin at tjcog.org Tue Sep 12 14:44:10 2006 From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid) Date: Tue Sep 12 09:41:13 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Ethanol Car chips References: Message-ID: <01f601c6d693$0fd98cd0$1800a8c0@cleancities> I get asked about this constantly. Right now there are no aftermarket E85 conversion kits that are legal in the U.S. That means that you could face some serious penalties if you take your altered car for an emissions inspection or other body work and the conversion is detected. Some of the conversion kits may actually make your emissions worse than running on unleaded gas. Also, while the computer chip to sense the mixture of ethanol and gas is an important step, ethanol is corrosive and hydrophilic so tanks and hoses sometimes also need to be replaced. I believe there is a scramble going on right now for someone to get a kit that can be certified, but so far that hasn't happened. When it does, I will happily send the information out to the list. For more information on this topic, visit the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition website http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/faqs/conversion.php Tobin L. Freid Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment Triangle J Council of Governments (919) 558-9400 -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Dreyfors-President" To: "Biofuels_Interest_Group@Lists. Emji. Net" Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Ethanol Car chips > Hey Everyone: > > Just had a fire department inspector come by... yes and my heart jumped, > "what did I do now?!" > > Okay, guilt aside, he actually came by with an interest in importing the > ethanol compatible car chips from Brazil (the guy's Colombian and has > buddies down that way). I was told that they are cheap, easy to install > but > illegal as an after market accessory. > > Anybody know the deal on these? > > Marc > CarolinaBiofuels.org > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wooster at coastalnet.com Wed Sep 13 09:49:42 2006 From: wooster at coastalnet.com (BENJAMIN F BARNES) Date: Wed Sep 13 04:46:29 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel Mechanic testimonies, feel free to add someone Message-ID: <410-220069313124942953@coastalnet.com> I am presently working on making biodiesel production for a 83 Mercedes. I also need a pickup and know that there are not many small diesel pickups that are not 20 years old. so I have been thinking about converting the truck I buy to Propane or some other gasous fuel. What are the advantages/disadvantages. I have heard that it is quite a bit cheaper and better for the environment. Ben Barnes From tobin at tjcog.org Wed Sep 13 11:56:36 2006 From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid) Date: Wed Sep 13 06:55:14 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] propane References: <410-220069313124942953@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <003d01c6d744$e028b530$1800a8c0@cleancities> Propane is a very clean transportation fuel. One challenge is finding places to fill up, if you don't have your own tanks. But that could probably be easily remedied. I believe there is a service station in Raleigh that does conversions and I can get you in touch with them, if you want. Propane has one-third less reactive organic gases than gasoline, but a similar fuel range. Because propane can be stored as a liquid, a high amount of energy can be stored in a relatively small space. Propane has been used for over 60 years with an excellent safety record. It is a nontoxic fuel that vaporizes when released from pressurized conditions so it poses no risk to water or soil resources. It typically costs 5-30 percent less than gasoline. Public fueling stations are more common than any other alternative fuel. Filling time for vehicles is comparable with times for gasoline or diesel fuels. Ninety percent of the propane consumed in the United States is produced domestically. Propane vapors are 50% less reactive than gasoline vapors so they have lower smog-forming tendencies. LPG reduces: ? Carbon dioxide by 11-13% compared to gasoline ? Nitrogen oxides by 15 - 80% compared to gasoline and 90 -99% compared to diesel ? Hydrocarbons by 20- 40% compared to gasoline ? Carbon monoxide by 30- 35% compared to gasoline ? Particulates by 80-95% compared to diesel ? Ultra fine particles by 99% compared to diesel For more information about propane as a transportation fuel, check out http://www.trianglecleancities.org/fs-lpg.htm and http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/altfuel/propane.html Tobin L. Freid Triangle Clean Cities Coalition Coordinator Triangle J Council of Governments (919) 558-9400 -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "BENJAMIN F BARNES" To: "Rachel Burton" ; "Michael Chrestensen" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel Mechanic testimonies, feel freeto add someone > > > I am presently working on making biodiesel production for a 83 Mercedes. > I > also need a pickup and know that there are not many small diesel pickups > that are not 20 years old. so I have been thinking about converting the > truck I buy to Propane or some other gasous fuel. What are the > advantages/disadvantages. I have heard that it is quite a bit cheaper and > better for the environment. > > Ben Barnes > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From john.bonitz at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 13:03:23 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Wed Sep 13 08:00:09 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Totes available in Siler City Message-ID: <84a57a420609130903j1afaea00t74295d22b2485846@mail.gmail.com> Hey folks, My friend, John McSween, at Bish Scrap Metal in Siler City tells me that they have six or eight totes available for sale. Although we call em Totes, the formal name is IBC, or Intermediate Bulk Container. ...Like this: http://www.drumtechus.com/page8.htm These containers are handy for storing large volumes of liquids (i.e., waste veggie oil). They are plastic, inside a metal cage, mounted on a metal pallet. They generally run 250 to 350 gallons, and the ones at Bish have small amounts of chemical residue. It is an alkaline cleaner fluid used in a metal shop to wash the cutting oils off the finished metal parts. Triple rinsing works fine, and as mild as the alkaline is, it is not harmful to the environment if diluted. At Piedmont Biofuels Coop we use them in our passive solar Grease Warming Zone. John is asking $75 each. (PBC bought a half dozen from him last year for $50 each.) Last year I heard that these things cost $100 to $150 cleaned and refurbished. Sometimes you can find 'em free for the cost of removal. Bish Enterprises (scrap metal dealer) 277 Bish Rd Siler City, NC 919-663-3336 -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/ From john.bonitz at gmail.com Wed Sep 13 16:48:05 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Wed Sep 13 11:44:51 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: [Biofuels Workers] Totes available in Siler City In-Reply-To: References: <84a57a420609130903j1afaea00t74295d22b2485846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84a57a420609131248w7d53d64ej27728ad618755505@mail.gmail.com> Yep, the price probably reflects the fact that he is not charging the guy who dumps them. It's a metal shop, so Bish removes the totes as a favor, to keep the contract for the shops metal scraps, I think. Also, I suspect it is his asking price. If you got good connections you can find em for free sometimes. cheers! John On 9/13/06, David Thornton wrote: > wow $75 is super steep. other scrap yards are selling them for $30, > but more power to him if he can push them for $75. > word > d > > On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:03 PM, John Bonitz wrote: > > > Hey folks, > > > > My friend, John McSween, at Bish Scrap Metal in Siler City tells me > > that they have six or eight totes available for sale. Although we > > call em Totes, the formal name is IBC, or Intermediate Bulk Container. > > ...Like this: http://www.drumtechus.com/page8.htm > > > > These containers are handy for storing large volumes of liquids (i.e., > > waste veggie oil). They are plastic, inside a metal cage, mounted on > > a metal pallet. They generally run 250 to 350 gallons, and the ones > > at Bish have small amounts of chemical residue. It is an alkaline > > cleaner fluid used in a metal shop to wash the cutting oils off the > > finished metal parts. Triple rinsing works fine, and as mild as the > > alkaline is, it is not harmful to the environment if diluted. > > > > At Piedmont Biofuels Coop we use them in our passive solar Grease > > Warming Zone. > > > > John is asking $75 each. (PBC bought a half dozen from him last year > > for $50 each.) Last year I heard that these things cost $100 to $150 > > cleaned and refurbished. Sometimes you can find 'em free for the cost > > of removal. > > > > Bish Enterprises (scrap metal dealer) > > 277 Bish Rd > > Siler City, NC > > 919-663-3336 > > > > > > -- > > John Bonitz > > Silk Hope, NC > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Workers mailing list > > Workers@lists.biofuels.coop > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers > > _______________________________________________ > Workers mailing list > Workers@lists.biofuels.coop > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers > -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/ From david at biofuels.coop Wed Sep 13 15:45:53 2006 From: david at biofuels.coop (David Thornton) Date: Thu Sep 14 06:59:54 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: [Biofuels Workers] Totes available in Siler City In-Reply-To: <84a57a420609130903j1afaea00t74295d22b2485846@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420609130903j1afaea00t74295d22b2485846@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: wow $75 is super steep. other scrap yards are selling them for $30, but more power to him if he can push them for $75. word d On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:03 PM, John Bonitz wrote: > Hey folks, > > My friend, John McSween, at Bish Scrap Metal in Siler City tells me > that they have six or eight totes available for sale. Although we > call em Totes, the formal name is IBC, or Intermediate Bulk Container. > ...Like this: http://www.drumtechus.com/page8.htm > > These containers are handy for storing large volumes of liquids (i.e., > waste veggie oil). They are plastic, inside a metal cage, mounted on > a metal pallet. They generally run 250 to 350 gallons, and the ones > at Bish have small amounts of chemical residue. It is an alkaline > cleaner fluid used in a metal shop to wash the cutting oils off the > finished metal parts. Triple rinsing works fine, and as mild as the > alkaline is, it is not harmful to the environment if diluted. > > At Piedmont Biofuels Coop we use them in our passive solar Grease > Warming Zone. > > John is asking $75 each. (PBC bought a half dozen from him last year > for $50 each.) Last year I heard that these things cost $100 to $150 > cleaned and refurbished. Sometimes you can find 'em free for the cost > of removal. > > Bish Enterprises (scrap metal dealer) > 277 Bish Rd > Siler City, NC > 919-663-3336 > > > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Workers mailing list > Workers@lists.biofuels.coop > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Sep 17 11:14:40 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sun Sep 17 06:10:59 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] World Energy Joins Elite List of Biodiesel Suppliers Message-ID: One of the nation?s first biodiesel suppliers has become the latest company to embrace BQ-9000, a voluntary quality control program. World Energy recently earned the distinction of Accredited Producer. To date, 11 companies are accredited, with another 7 undergoing the process. ?We are pleased to have our longstanding commitment to high quality affirmed by BQ-9000 accreditation,? said Gene Gebolys, chief executive officer of World Energy and chairman of the National Biodiesel Board?s regulatory committee. ?As one of the earliest proponents of BQ-9000, we?re gratified to see its growing acceptance. The high standards we set for ourselves at World Energy are becoming the standards of the industry.? BQ-9000 is a quality assurance certification program that includes procedures for fuel production, storage, handling and management aimed at ensuring fuel quality throughout production and distribution. Both NBB and the Canadian Renewable Fuels Association have adopted the program. Contact: Jenna Higgins, National Biodiesel Board, (800) 841-5849, http://www.biodiesel.org. From stevenbaker at nc.rr.com Mon Sep 18 20:41:42 2006 From: stevenbaker at nc.rr.com (Steven Baker) Date: Mon Sep 18 15:31:38 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] jetta diesel problem, won't start, fuel pump empty Message-ID: My Jetta Diesel was having a spurious issue with starting. For the past 3- 4 months, very rarely, it would not start normally. I had to hold the ignition and let it grind, sometimes for up to a minute. It didn't happen often and I wasn't overly concerned. It happened last Thursday, then again Friday morning. Friday evening I could not get it to start at all and had it hauled over to the guys at Passport motors in Chapel Hill where it is normally serviced. I told them I figured the fuel filter needed replacing. They found that the fuel filter was empty as was feed tube. They did something to get it primed and got the car started. They said they asked around and heard of a similar problem, also with a Jetta burning bio-diesel. They are putting together a quote to add a new pump, before the fuel filter to charge the fuel filter when this happens again. Has anyone out there seen this before or had a similar problem? Any explanation what would cause it or how to fix it? Any idea what would be a reasonable price for the proposed solution? I'm thinking a custom solution could cost a lot. Any and all feedback is welcome, I will hear from these guys tomorrow (Tuesday). Steve Baker 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. Chapel Hill, NC 27516 tel: (919) 960-5049 voip: (919) 636-5002 stevenbaker@nc.rr.com From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Sep 18 22:54:56 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Sep 18 17:51:17 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] INOV8 develops vegetable oil fired boiler for restaurant applications with Culver's restaurant (R&D) Message-ID: <1C2F77F9-0BBE-41EE-BB53-19690706ACC4@blast.com> INOV8 develops vegetable oil fired boiler for restaurant applications with Culver's restaurant (R&D) Ed Rich, owner of Culver's of Pleasant Prairie, has installed a prototype boiler developed by INOV8 of Wisconsin in his restaurant. INOV8 designed and installed a water heater application that runs off the restaurant's used vegetable oil. INOV8 had previously been making boilers that burn waste motor oil. According to INOV8, the applications for the restaurant industry are almost limitless. The system cost $11,000 and uses only three quarters of a gallon of oil per running hour. "We're at a point where we can't afford to throw away energy," said Rebecca Faas, president of INOV8. "There are something like 925,000 restaurants in the U.S., and if we could heat all their water with renewables, just think what that could save." (Source: Charlotte Observer, Sept. 18,'06) Contact: INOV8: Rebecca Faas, President, telephone: (608) 785-2879, email: rfaas@inov8-intl.com www.inov8-intl.com. Culver's of Pleasant Prairie: Ed Rich, telephone: (262) 857-2663 From mattr at biofuels.coop Mon Sep 18 22:57:39 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Tue Sep 19 05:18:52 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] jetta diesel problem, won't start, fuel pump empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D464549-FD38-48DF-BDE9-2A90B9856094@biofuels.coop> Steven, What year is your Jetta? There may be a fuel leak somewhere, possibly in your fuel injection pump. Have them get it started and then examine the fuel injection pump all over (also under the cover where it connects to the timing belt) for leaks. Also have them check your fuel lines. An electric lift pump would be about $50 and can be installed in half an hour, but have them search for fuel leaks first. ~Matt On Sep 18, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Steven Baker wrote: > My Jetta Diesel was having a spurious issue with starting. For the > past 3- 4 months, very rarely, it would not start normally. I had > to hold the ignition and let it grind, sometimes for up to a minute. > > It didn't happen often and I wasn't overly concerned. It happened > last Thursday, then again Friday morning. Friday evening I could > not get it to start at all and had it hauled over to the guys at > Passport motors in Chapel Hill where it is normally serviced. > > I told them I figured the fuel filter needed replacing. > > They found that the fuel filter was empty as was feed tube. They > did something to get it primed and got the car started. They said > they asked around and heard of a similar problem, also with a Jetta > burning bio-diesel. They are putting together a quote to add a new > pump, before the fuel filter to charge the fuel filter when this > happens again. > > Has anyone out there seen this before or had a similar problem? > Any explanation what would cause it or how to fix it? Any idea > what would be a reasonable price for the proposed solution? I'm > thinking a custom solution could cost a lot. > > Any and all feedback is welcome, I will hear from these guys > tomorrow (Tuesday). > > Steve Baker > 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. > Chapel Hill, NC > 27516 > > tel: (919) 960-5049 > voip: (919) 636-5002 > stevenbaker@nc.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From carolinabiofuels at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 11:47:27 2006 From: carolinabiofuels at gmail.com (Harry John Albert) Date: Tue Sep 19 06:43:44 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] jetta diesel problem, won't start, fuel pump empty In-Reply-To: <1D464549-FD38-48DF-BDE9-2A90B9856094@biofuels.coop> References: <1D464549-FD38-48DF-BDE9-2A90B9856094@biofuels.coop> Message-ID: Installing a pump is not going to fix the problem, if once it is running it runs fine, then obviously the lift pump in the IP is working. Pretty much what Matt was getting at, is that they need to fix the problem, not hide it. Other wise you may end up with biodiesel all over your timing belt, and then your valves all over your pistons. But without knowing what year you have, and what modifications, it is hard to say where to start looking. I would not pay for the solution they offer. John Albert On 9/18/06, Matthew Rudolf wrote: > Steven, > What year is your Jetta? There may be a fuel leak somewhere, > possibly in your fuel injection pump. Have them get it started and > then examine the fuel injection pump all over (also under the cover > where it connects to the timing belt) for leaks. Also have them > check your fuel lines. An electric lift pump would be about $50 and > can be installed in half an hour, but have them search for fuel leaks > first. > > ~Matt > > On Sep 18, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Steven Baker wrote: > > > My Jetta Diesel was having a spurious issue with starting. For the > > past 3- 4 months, very rarely, it would not start normally. I had > > to hold the ignition and let it grind, sometimes for up to a minute. > > > > It didn't happen often and I wasn't overly concerned. It happened > > last Thursday, then again Friday morning. Friday evening I could > > not get it to start at all and had it hauled over to the guys at > > Passport motors in Chapel Hill where it is normally serviced. > > > > I told them I figured the fuel filter needed replacing. > > > > They found that the fuel filter was empty as was feed tube. They > > did something to get it primed and got the car started. They said > > they asked around and heard of a similar problem, also with a Jetta > > burning bio-diesel. They are putting together a quote to add a new > > pump, before the fuel filter to charge the fuel filter when this > > happens again. > > > > Has anyone out there seen this before or had a similar problem? > > Any explanation what would cause it or how to fix it? Any idea > > what would be a reasonable price for the proposed solution? I'm > > thinking a custom solution could cost a lot. > > > > Any and all feedback is welcome, I will hear from these guys > > tomorrow (Tuesday). > > > > Steve Baker > > 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. > > Chapel Hill, NC > > 27516 > > > > tel: (919) 960-5049 > > voip: (919) 636-5002 > > stevenbaker@nc.rr.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > Matthew Rudolf > Piedmont Biofuels > www.biofuels.coop > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Tue Sep 19 14:53:37 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Tue Sep 19 09:49:59 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] jetta diesel problem, won't start, fuel pump empty Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC36BD@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Steve, They may have been talking about me. I had a similar problem and the folks at Automotion around the corner from Passport put in a pump. Couldn't reach you by phone just now. Last winter I started having a problem where every time I tried to start my 2000 Jetta when it had frost on it, it wouldn't start. One time Automotion left it in their warm shop while they went to lunch and it started right up so we suspected biodiesel wax crystal problems. I started putting straight petro into it. It happened again after several tanks of petro so we decided it was unlikely to be bio-related. They primed everything with an external pump right in front of the injection pump and it started. For some reason the injection pump was "cavitating" and losing prime. A new injection pump is an $1800 fix. The mechanic suggested instead that we put in an auxiliary fuel pump right in front of the injection pump so I could reproduce their ad hoc fix. He did a very neat job with a little switch under the dash to activate it. The job included new hoses replacing some tubing near the pump. The problem disappeared. I never used the aux pump despite half a dozen frosty mornings after the fix. The root cause and the reason it works now are matters for speculation. Jim Symon symon@safenet-inc.com symon@nc.rr.com h 919 929-8983 w 919 462-1900 x290 c 919 649-6337 The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Tue Sep 19 14:57:37 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Tue Sep 19 09:54:00 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: jetta diesel problem, won't start, fuel pump empty Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC36BE@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Also, Automotion suspected fuel/air leaks and searched diligently but found nothing. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Symon > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:54 PM > To: 'stevenbaker@nc.rr.com' > Cc: Biofuels Group (E-mail) > Subject: jetta diesel problem, won't start, fuel pump empty > > > Steve, > > They may have been talking about me. I had a similar problem > and the folks at Automotion around the corner from Passport > put in a pump... The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 19 17:36:55 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 19 12:33:13 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] SeQuential Biofuels opens "Green" retail site near Eugene, OR (G&C) Message-ID: <408320C2-37DB-4627-BFFD-6662FBEB8DBE@blast.com> SeQuential Biofuels, is now operating a retail site pumping E10 and E85 bio-ethanol and B5, B20 and B99 biodiesel near Eugene, OR. All blending of fuel is done in the Northwest, using byproducts of Oregon grown harvests. The site, which includes five biofuel dispensers and a 1,900 square-foot convenience store, features solar canopies at the dispensers providing 30 to 50 percent of the site's electrical power, a living roof, untreated wood interior and other features allowing the store to heat and cool the interior naturally. The facility was built by PNE Construction of Longview. (Source: The Daily News, Sept. 19,'06) Contact: SeQuential Biofuels: telephone: (541) 485-7994, www.sqbiofuels.com. PNE Construction: telephone: (888) 703-0444, www.pnecorp.com From rickyb at rickyb.net Fri Sep 22 06:01:15 2006 From: rickyb at rickyb.net (rickyb@rickyb.net) Date: Fri Sep 22 01:49:57 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] finally a coop Message-ID: <20060922100115.0C05B10969E@ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com> Hi everyone. It has finally happened. After months of work and time and diligence we have made it. Yesterday we were officially posted on the sec of states web site. We are officially registered as a coop. Here is the link. Check it out. http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/Corporations/SearchResults.aspx. Can someone add us to the map on the Piedmont website which lists "coops" in North Carolina? We now begin our task of bylaws officers and finding a place to work besides a garage. Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions on here and hope you guys at Piedmont have a successful weekend. From rickyb at rickyb.net Fri Sep 22 08:07:00 2006 From: rickyb at rickyb.net (rickyb@rickyb.net) Date: Fri Sep 22 03:55:59 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] coop Message-ID: <20060922120700.A562B13CE87@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> Sorry I just found out the search page had lapsed. The name is C F Alternative Energy. From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Sep 22 15:35:50 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Sep 22 10:31:54 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Diesel Dasher for sale References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: From: Leif Forer Date: September 22, 2006 2:33:03 PM EDT To: Rachel Burton Subject: Diesel Dasher for sale Leif is selling his car. More at: http://www.unc.edu/~forer/car/ --------------------------- Leif Forer Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop (919) 321-8260 From marc at theforestfoundation.org Sat Sep 23 13:09:41 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Sat Sep 23 08:13:13 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FW: [cleanenergydurham] Biofuels: Green energy or grim reaper? Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: cleanenergydurham@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cleanenergydurham@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Darrell Edgley Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:38 PM To: cleanenergydurham@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cleanenergydurham] Biofuels: Green energy or grim reaper? Full article on the BBC web site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5369284.stm Biofuels could end up damaging the natural world rather than saving it from global warming, argues Jeff McNeely in the Green Room. Better policies, better science and genetic modification, he says, can all contribute to a greener biofuels revolution. With soaring oil prices, and debates raging on how to reduce carbon emissions to slow climate change, many are looking to biofuels as a renewable and clean source of energy. The European Union recently has issued a directive calling for biofuels to meet 5.75% of transportation fuel needs by 2010. Germany and France have announced they intend to meet the target well before the deadline; California intends going still further. This is a classic "good news-bad news" story. Of course we all want greater energy security, and helping achieve the goals (however weak) of the Kyoto Protocol is surely a good thing. Little wonder that many are calling biofuels "deforestation diesel" However, biofuels - made by producing ethanol, an alcohol fuel made from maize, sugar cane, or other plant matter - may be a penny wise but pound foolish way of doing so. Consider the following: The grain required to fill the petrol tank of a Range Rover with ethanol is sufficient to feed one person per year. Assuming the petrol tank is refilled every two weeks, the amount of grain required would feed a hungry African village for a year Much of the fuel that Europeans use will be imported from Brazil, where the Amazon is being burned to plant more sugar and soybeans, and Southeast Asia, where oil palm plantations are destroying the rainforest habitat of orangutans and many other species. Species are dying for our driving If ethanol is imported from the US, it will likely come from maize, which uses fossil fuels at every stage in the production process, from cultivation using fertilisers and tractors to processing and transportation. Growing maize appears to use 30% more energy than the finished fuel produces, and leaves eroded soils and polluted waters behind Meeting the 5.75% target would require, according to one authoritative study, a quarter of the EU's arable land Using ethanol rather than petrol reduces total emissions of carbon dioxide by only about 13% because of the pollution caused by the production process, and because ethanol gets only about 70% of the mileage of petrol Food prices are already increasing. With just 10% of the world's sugar harvest being converted to ethanol, the price of sugar has doubled; the price of palm oil has increased 15% over the past year, with a further 25% gain expected next year. Little wonder that many are calling biofuels "deforestation diesel", the opposite of the environmentally friendly fuel that all are seeking. With so much farmland already taking the form of monoculture, with all that implies for wildlife, do we really want to create more diversity-stripped desert? Others are worried about the impacts of biofuels on food prices, which will affect especially the poor who already spend a large proportion of their income on food. Biotech boost So what is to be done? The first step is to increase our understanding of how nature works to produce energy. Amazingly, scientists do not yet have a full understanding of the workings of photosynthesis, the process by which plants use solar energy to absorb carbon dioxide and build carbohydrates. Some environmentalists are worried that altered trees will cross- breed with wild trees, resulting in a drooping forest rather than one that stands tall Biotechnology, its reputation sullied by public protests over GM foods, may make important contributions. According to the science journal Nature, recombinant technology is already available that could enhance ethanol yield, reduce environmental damage from feedstock, and improve bioprocessing efficiency at the refinery. The Swiss biotech firm Syngenta is developing a genetically engineered maize that can help convert itself into ethanol by growing a particular enzyme. Others are designing trees that have less lignin, the strength-giving substance that enables them to stand upright, but makes it more difficult to convert the tree's cellulose into ethanol. Some environmentalists are worried that these altered trees will cross-breed with wild trees, resulting in a drooping forest rather than one that stands tall and produces useful timber and wildlife habitat. In the longer run, biotech promises to help convert wood chips, farm wastes, and willow trees into bioethanol more cheaply and cleanly, thereby helping meet energy needs while also improving its public image. Public stake But that is not nearly enough; bioenergy is too important to be left in the hands of the private sector. Many of the social and environmental benefits of bioenergy are not priced in the market, so the public sector needs to step in to ensure these benefits are delivered. An easy immediate step would be to mandate improved fuel efficiency for all forms of transport, beginning with the private automobile. A 20% increase in fuel-efficiency standards is feasible using current technology, and would save far more energy than Europe's biomass could produce. Governments also need to provide leadership in the form of economic incentives to minimise competition between food and fuel crops, and ensure that water, high-quality agricultural land, and biodiversity are not sacrificed on the altar of our convenience. Calculations of energy return on investment need to include environmental impacts on soil, water, climate change, and ecosystem services. The bottom line is that biofuels can contribute to energy and environmental goals only as part of an overall strategy that includes energy conservation, a diversity of sustainable energy sources, greater efficiency in production and transport, and careful management of ethanol production. Jeffrey A McNeely is chief scientist of IUCN, the World Conservation Union, based in Switzerland __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 3New Members Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Issue management Cause of low back pain Cause of diabetes Cause of pulmonary hypertension Cause of hair loss Yahoo! News Science News Get the latest scientific news. Yahoo! TV Want the scoop? Check out today's news and gossip. Y! GeoCities Share Your Passion Join the web's lar- gest community.. __,_._,___ From bknighton at nc.rr.com Sat Sep 23 15:39:28 2006 From: bknighton at nc.rr.com (Bill Knighton) Date: Sat Sep 23 12:04:17 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FW: [cleanenergydurham] Biofuels: Green energy or grim reaper? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45157F60.3070900@nc.rr.com> Marc Dreyfors-President wrote: > Full article on the BBC web site: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5369284.stm > > Biofuels could end up damaging the natural world rather than saving > it from global warming, argues Jeff McNeely in the Green Room. Better > policies, better science and genetic modification, he says, can all > contribute to a greener biofuels revolution. > This article could spawn about a dozen useful threads, but every time something like this gets posted and discussed there are numerous complaints to the moderator followed by "remove me from this list" posts. I wonder if a list could be added whose purpose was free form, anything goes discussion about biofuels and it's politics. From rixdobbs at hotmail.com Mon Sep 25 13:15:46 2006 From: rixdobbs at hotmail.com (rix dobbs) Date: Mon Sep 25 04:11:42 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] A modest proposal for a new source of energy. Message-ID: ' Biofuels: Green energy or grim reaper?' Revealed that while biofuels may stop adding to the NET CO2 greenhouse gas in the atmosphere the demand for plant sources would cause the deforest of the amazon and compete for airable land for human food production; raising food prices and further distancing us from the natural world. If people could limit their numbers we wouldn't be testing the limits of the carying capacity of the earth. I believe if the human population was 10% of present levels this could be the 'garden of eden' again. But to the proposal: I was taught that 'energy cannot be created nor destroyed but can only change form'. To this end I have invented a method to transform THERMAL energy into usable power; whether it be mechanical or electric. I call the machine 'The Dobbs Device (TDD)' because nothing like it exists in the world today. It uses no other fuel, produces no waste, will work day or night, summer or winter, any latitude or season. The only result of this extraction (or transformation) of energy is an environment cooler than before so I suppose you could say a side benefit would be 'air conditioning'. For instance - to use Hoover Dam on lake Powel for an example; The 178' drop flowing through 11 hydro turbines produces 2,000 megawatts each, continuously. To extract 10 degrees celcius from the discharge water and transform it into electricity would be to DOUBLE the total power generated. But The Dobbs Device Doesn't require the 178' drop to generate its electricity. Any river would do; the Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois, Hudson, Eno; the Gulf Stream. People could be off-grid or back-feeding the grid from anywhere. I am constructing the proof of concept machine now. Funds are needed for this development. What to do? Rix Dobbs From steve at gogoetz.com Mon Sep 25 09:57:19 2006 From: steve at gogoetz.com (Stephen Goetz) Date: Mon Sep 25 04:51:18 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] A modest proposal for a new source ofenergy. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4517D1C0.314F0.513@pop.directnic.com> To the 10% solution: I don't want to be one of the 90% that doesn't exist in this Garden of Eden. To the TDD: Is this built on the thermoelectric characteristics of materials, or do you have a better energy transformation paradigm? -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of rix dobbs Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:16 AM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] A modest proposal for a new source ofenergy. ' Biofuels: Green energy or grim reaper?' Revealed that while biofuels may stop adding to the NET CO2 greenhouse gas in the atmosphere the demand for plant sources would cause the deforest of the amazon and compete for airable land for human food production; raising food prices and further distancing us from the natural world. If people could limit their numbers we wouldn't be testing the limits of the carying capacity of the earth. I believe if the human population was 10% of present levels this could be the 'garden of eden' again. But to the proposal: I was taught that 'energy cannot be created nor destroyed but can only change form'. To this end I have invented a method to transform THERMAL energy into usable power; whether it be mechanical or electric. I call the machine 'The Dobbs Device (TDD)' because nothing like it exists in the world today. It uses no other fuel, produces no waste, will work day or night, summer or winter, any latitude or season. The only result of this extraction (or transformation) of energy is an environment cooler than before so I suppose you could say a side benefit would be 'air conditioning'. For instance - to use Hoover Dam on lake Powel for an example; The 178' drop flowing through 11 hydro turbines produces 2,000 megawatts each, continuously. To extract 10 degrees celcius from the discharge water and transform it into electricity would be to DOUBLE the total power generated. But The Dobbs Device Doesn't require the 178' drop to generate its electricity. Any river would do; the Mississippi, Missouri, Illinois, Hudson, Eno; the Gulf Stream. People could be off-grid or back-feeding the grid from anywhere. I am constructing the proof of concept machine now. Funds are needed for this development. What to do? Rix Dobbs _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From aibodkin at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 10:28:20 2006 From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin) Date: Mon Sep 25 05:24:09 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FW: [cleanenergydurham] Biofuels: Green energy or grim reaper? In-Reply-To: <45157F60.3070900@nc.rr.com> References: <45157F60.3070900@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: "..This article could spawn about a dozen useful threads, but every time something like this gets posted and discussed..." I don't think that is a very good reason not to discuss the causal relationship of the biofuel effect on humanity as a whole... from my perspective the people who request to be "removed from this list" weren't interested enough to stay "on board"...if there isn't passion about biofuel including but not limited to disagreement, argument and debate, IMO, it will go no where... the problem with this article is that I have seen similar assertions to Jeffrey A McNeely's. It is interesting to me that the "chief scientist of IUCN" doesn't have the common sense to deduce the accurate conclusion that "deforestation" and "biofuels" are separate issues...the people who would cut down rain forest to grow ingredients for biofuels, would do the exact same thing for any number of reasons as long as they could make money... I also have the hardest time understanding this statement... "...If ethanol is imported from the US, it will likely come from maize, which uses fossil fuels at every stage in the production process, from cultivation using fertilisers and tractors to processing and transportation. Growing maize appears to use 30% more energy than the finished fuel produces, and leaves eroded soils and polluted waters behind.." The US throws out tons and tons of corn every year, I had read this article http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html and report by David Pimentel of Cornell University who holds similar contentions... Granted today that might be true but the fact is that as more and more businesses utilize biofuel (tractors, delivery trucks, manufacturing plants etc..) those numbers drop dramatically. I hold a firm belief that either education in itself is detrimental at the cost of common sense or these articles are written to manufacture controversy... I am holding out hope it is the latter of the two... Regards Andy On 9/23/06, Bill Knighton wrote: > Marc Dreyfors-President wrote: > > Full article on the BBC web site: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5369284.stm > > > > Biofuels could end up damaging the natural world rather than saving > > it from global warming, argues Jeff McNeely in the Green Room. Better > > policies, better science and genetic modification, he says, can all > > contribute to a greener biofuels revolution. > > > This article could spawn about a dozen useful threads, but every time > something like this gets posted and discussed there are numerous > complaints to the moderator followed by "remove me from this list" > posts. I wonder if a list could be added whose purpose was free form, > anything goes discussion about biofuels and it's politics. > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From rob at encodia.biz Mon Sep 25 10:58:56 2006 From: rob at encodia.biz (Rob Nikander) Date: Mon Sep 25 05:53:50 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] A modest proposal for a new source of energy. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C2ADFC0-1E19-479F-B588-BAA921B9431F@encodia.biz> On Sep 25, 2006, at 8:15 AM, rix dobbs wrote: > But to the proposal: I was taught that 'energy cannot be created > nor destroyed but can only change form'. To this end I have > invented a method to transform THERMAL energy into usable power; > whether it be mechanical or electric. I call the machine 'The Dobbs > Device (TDD)' because nothing like it exists in the world today. It > uses no other fuel, produces no waste, will work day or night, > summer or winter, any latitude or season. The only result of this > extraction (or transformation) of energy is an environment cooler > than before so I suppose you could say a side benefit would be 'air > conditioning'. I think people have tried this before, but run into a problem with the 2nd law of thermodynamics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics In other words, I think it will require an energy input in order to "separate" the heat energy. If it doesn't then you may have built a "perpetual motion machine", which would shock a bunch of scientists and probably win you a Nobel Prize among other things. Rob From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Mon Sep 25 12:04:19 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Mon Sep 25 07:00:12 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Around the world on biodiesel Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC36D4@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Around the world on biodiesel: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/us/24grease.html The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From shakujo at gmail.com Mon Sep 25 13:59:29 2006 From: shakujo at gmail.com (shakujo) Date: Mon Sep 25 09:00:12 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Bill Maher jokes about biofuels and Willie Nelson Message-ID: <1159203570.5434.106.camel@localhost> http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/09/bill_maher_new_8.html embedded quicktime From aibodkin at gmail.com Tue Sep 26 11:07:30 2006 From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin) Date: Tue Sep 26 06:03:16 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] congratulations to all...:0) Message-ID: I didn't see anyone with a camera taking picture proof of the absolutely tremendous turnout at last nights affair... so here are some camera phone shots of the road from my vantage point.... http://picturecorral.textamerica.com/?r=5381364 http://picturecorral.textamerica.com/?r=5381360 http://picturecorral.textamerica.com/?r=5381315 congratulations to all on a truly marvelous event.... Regards Andy From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 26 15:30:44 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 26 10:26:34 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Spanish hotel uses olive stones as fuel to generate energy (International) Message-ID: <04140E43-36A0-4653-90A0-1AEF195BA657@blast.com> A hotel chain in Spain is installing a biomass generating system using olive stones as a heating source. The Sierra de Cazorla Hotel & Spa located in the Cazorla National Park in Ja?n will be using olive stones with a high calorific value (4,700 kilowatt per hour for each kilogram) as fuel, with no more than approximately 1.5 per cent residue. The plant will supply the energy to heat water used in the spa and the hotel. The plant consists of two large boilers with a 400-kilowatt capacity, and each with a Modular Production Unit that regulates the heat level as well as purifying fumes and particles emitted in the process. The plant is expected to be operational in early October. The hotel chain may consider using the system in other locations. (Source: SUR in English.com, Sept. 22,'06) From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 26 17:13:59 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 26 12:12:22 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Bioenergy and Biofuels References: <019901c6e1a6$cf471240$c8fede18@owner1102acf97> Message-ID: > BioFuels Company of America builds 45,000,000 gallon > Danvillebiodiesel plant (G&C) > > Bunge North America, and Biodiesel Investment Group, LLC, have > announced the creation of Biofuels Company of America, LLC to build > a 45,000,000 gallon per year biodiesel plant next to Bunge's > existing soybean processing facility in Danville,Illinois. > Construction has started on the facility which is expected to be > operational early in 2008. Biodiesel Investment Group, LLC is > headquartered in Memphis, Tenn. Bunge North America is based in > Missouri. (Source: Newswires Sept. 21,?06) > > Contact: Carl Hausmann, President and CEO, Bunge North America, > telephone: (314) 292-2000 , www.bungenorthamerica.com > > > > Pendleton Grain Growers receive $300,000 for biodiesel production > (G&C) > > > > Pendleton Grain Growers (PGG) have received a grant from the United > States Department of Agriculture Rural Development funds for the > continued growth of PGG's agri-biodiesel production program. The > $300,000 grant will be used for the purchase of additional > inventory for the processing of canola seeds into biodiesel. > Glycerin, a by-product, will be used in the production of wood > pellets. PGG, a farmer-owned cooperative, began producing > biodiesel in 2005, and processes approximately three tons of canola > per day. (Source: Medford News, Sept. 22, ?06) > > > Contact Pendleton Grain Growers, telephone: (800) 422-7611, > www.pggcountry.com > > > > Texas BioDiesel to build $143,000,000 US biodiesel plant inPanama > (International - G&C) > > > > According to John Autry, CEO and President of Houston-based Texas > BioDiesel, the company is building a 100,000,000 gallon a year > biodiesel plant in Panama. They will use palm, mustard seed and > other vegetable products supplied by local farming cooperatives. > The first stage is the construction of an extraction facility. > Texas BioDiesel will transport oil from the facility to its? > Houston biodiesel plan until thePanama plant is ready for > production in mid 2007. The plant is expected to cost $143,000,000 > US. (Source: Business News America, Sept.21,?06) > > > > Contact: John Autrey, CEO & President, Texas BioDiesel, telephone: > (713) 821-1765, email: info@TexasBioDiesel.com, http:// > texasbiodiesel.com > > > > Agrenco, co-ops to invest $100,000,000 US in 3 biodiesel plants > inBrazil (International) > > > The Dutch agribusiness group Agrenco and two Brazilian agriculture > cooperatives areplanning to invest $100,000,000 US to build three > biodiesel plants in Brazil. The plants will have a combined > capacity to produce 380,000 tons of biodiesel a year. The plants > will use oilseeds purchased from 20,000 farmers and are expected to > be operational in 2007. (Source: Business News Americas, Sept. > 25,?06) > > > > Contact: www.agrencogroup.com > > > > > > > > > > From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Sep 27 17:45:22 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Sep 27 12:41:10 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Bio Bus heading to Neuse river sweep References: <20060927201330.30748.qmail@web601.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6992E7C6-C302-48C4-8F2E-7AD61532FDE6@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: Frank Ferrell > Date: September 27, 2006 4:13:30 PM EDT > To: feferrell48@yahoo.com > Subject: Bio Bus heading to Neuse river sweep > > It's a river sweep on the Neuse! > > In conjunction with Frog Hollow river rafters, Triangle Land > Conservancy, and Outdoor Provision Co. the Bio Bus(all praise to > the Bio Bus!) is going to transport folks to help with a river > sweep on the Neuse. Here's the skinny: > > Meet at One World Market, Ninth St. Durham, at 8:30, Sunday Oct. > 1st. and hop on da' bus. > Drive to Poole Rd access on the Neuse in Raleigh. > Hop in canoes and kayaks for the clean up around 10:00 and head > down stream for 5-6 miles. > Finish up around 2:30-3:00 and head back to Durham. > Arrive back at One World Market around 4:00-5:00. > > It should be fun and a great way to sweep the Neuse of ugly refuse. > Please bring a lunch. > > If your interested you need to register at www.froghollowoutdoors.com > > Thanks, > > Frank > Delete Reply Forward Move... > Previous | Next | Back to Messages Save Message From lacraig819 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 27 23:32:47 2006 From: lacraig819 at hotmail.com (Lauren Craig) Date: Mon Oct 2 15:58:02 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] WTB: Mercedes 300TD Message-ID: I'm new to the list! Just wondering if anyone out there knows of a 300TD Benz (turbo or not) for sale. 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