From dpwoolcock at yahoo.com Mon Oct 2 11:40:26 2006 From: dpwoolcock at yahoo.com (douglas woolcock) Date: Mon Oct 2 09:35:54 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 300TD battery In-Reply-To: <6992E7C6-C302-48C4-8F2E-7AD61532FDE6@blast.com> Message-ID: <20061002174026.76439.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> All, I have a good 300TD battery (interstate) if anyone wants it for $10 (the deposit). I no longer need it. Douglas dpwoolcock - at - yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gena5 at bellsouth.net Mon Oct 2 15:04:51 2006 From: gena5 at bellsouth.net (Gena) Date: Mon Oct 2 10:00:07 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] price of b20? In-Reply-To: <20061002174026.76439.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061002174026.76439.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: out of curiosity, will the price of b20 drop now that the price of regular diesel is going down? i can understand b100 staying stable, but b20? gena, who doesn't "get" some of this fuel business :) From panthercat at gmail.com Mon Oct 2 15:13:48 2006 From: panthercat at gmail.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Mon Oct 2 10:09:04 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] price of b20? In-Reply-To: References: <20061002174026.76439.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b6e46c90610021113p7cccfb1akcbf1adbad24c7f17@mail.gmail.com> Well, disappointingly the price at the RTP B20 pump was still 2.99 last week, haven't checked it out this week. The two BP pumps that are no more (the one in garner and the one in south cary off of 64) were always a little cheaper than regular diesel, but that could have been the grants they had. -C On 10/2/06, Gena wrote: > out of curiosity, will the price of b20 drop now that the price of > regular diesel is going down? i can understand b100 staying stable, > but b20? > > gena, who doesn't "get" some of this fuel business :) > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Mon Oct 2 16:44:00 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Mon Oct 2 11:25:22 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] price of b20? In-Reply-To: References: <20061002174026.76439.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45216C00.3010102@gmail.com> The B20 price tends to vary with the retail price of petrodiesel. It has to because petro diesel is 80% of the input. The RTP and Durham B20 pumps tend to be within 10 cents of the local petrodiesel price. I have noticed that some local stations change their diesel prices MUCH less frequently than their gasoline prices. I am guessing that because diesel is a small fraction of their business and they fill their diesel storage tanks much less frequently, they don't bother to update the diesel price to match the latest market price but just base their price on what they paid as of their last delivery. Or maybe because the other stations around them don't sell diesel, they don't have the need to match their prices. -- Mark Gena wrote: > out of curiosity, will the price of b20 drop now that the price of > regular diesel is going down? i can understand b100 staying stable, > but b20? > > gena, who doesn't "get" some of this fuel business :) > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From rickyb at rickyb.net Mon Oct 2 15:34:07 2006 From: rickyb at rickyb.net (rickyb@rickyb.net) Date: Mon Oct 2 11:29:42 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] price of b20? Message-ID: <20061002193407.F177F13CAD1@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> Out of curiousity what is the average price of diesel in RTP? Its around 2.65 here in winston. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark J. Ambrose" > To: Gena > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] price of b20? > Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:44:00 -0400 > > > The B20 price tends to vary with the retail price of petrodiesel. > It has to because petro diesel is 80% of the input. The RTP and > Durham B20 pumps tend to be within 10 cents of the local > petrodiesel price. > > I have noticed that some local stations change their diesel prices > MUCH less frequently than their gasoline prices. I am guessing > that because diesel is a small fraction of their business and they > fill their diesel storage tanks much less frequently, they don't > bother to update the diesel price to match the latest market price > but just base their price on what they paid as of their last > delivery. Or maybe because the other stations around them don't > sell diesel, they don't have the need to match their prices. > > -- Mark > > Gena wrote: > > > out of curiosity, will the price of b20 drop now that the price > > of regular diesel is going down? i can understand b100 staying > > stable, but b20? > > > > gena, who doesn't "get" some of this fuel business :) > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From panthercat at gmail.com Mon Oct 2 16:59:21 2006 From: panthercat at gmail.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Mon Oct 2 11:54:37 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] price of b20? In-Reply-To: <20061002193407.F177F13CAD1@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20061002193407.F177F13CAD1@ws6-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4b6e46c90610021259xeb48f0dnfdc1a928feac2056@mail.gmail.com> The Shell near my house at the corner of Hillsborough St. and Blue Ridge is currently at 2.59. On 10/2/06, rickyb@rickyb.net wrote: > Out of curiousity what is the average price of diesel in RTP? Its around 2.65 here in winston. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark J. Ambrose" > > To: Gena > > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] price of b20? > > Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:44:00 -0400 > > > > > > The B20 price tends to vary with the retail price of petrodiesel. > > It has to because petro diesel is 80% of the input. The RTP and > > Durham B20 pumps tend to be within 10 cents of the local > > petrodiesel price. > > > > I have noticed that some local stations change their diesel prices > > MUCH less frequently than their gasoline prices. I am guessing > > that because diesel is a small fraction of their business and they > > fill their diesel storage tanks much less frequently, they don't > > bother to update the diesel price to match the latest market price > > but just base their price on what they paid as of their last > > delivery. Or maybe because the other stations around them don't > > sell diesel, they don't have the need to match their prices. > > > > -- Mark > > > > Gena wrote: > > > > > out of curiosity, will the price of b20 drop now that the price > > > of regular diesel is going down? i can understand b100 staying > > > stable, but b20? > > > > > > gena, who doesn't "get" some of this fuel business :) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Oct 2 20:58:52 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Oct 2 15:54:10 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Bio Bus heads to Shakori Hills References: <20061002192747.18904.qmail@web611.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <968CBAF6-EB05-479B-A3D3-F0650EA7BA07@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: Frank Ferrell > Date: October 2, 2006 3:27:46 PM EDT > To: fferrell48@yahoo.com > Subject: Bio Bus heads to Shakori Hills > > Shakori Hills Grassroots Festival > Thurs 10/5-Sun 10/8 > > This years festival is going to be great. It just keeps on getting > better and better. Of course, Donna the Buffalo will be there, > along with Sam Bush and the Duhk's and Yo Mama's Big Fat Booty Band > and many, many, more. Come join the great celebration of Music, > Dance, and Art in rural Chatham County and take a break from the > soul-thumping grind of working Amerika. > > And guess what? The Bio Bus will be running a shuttle to the > Festival. You can make this a P-zero(petroleum free) occasion by > hopping on da' bus! When you factor in your $2 ticket discount and > no $5 parking fee it's almost a money wash. PLUS--you keep one > less car off the road, reduce pollution, reduce dependence on > foreign oil, and all the other blah de blah's that you all know by > now. > > The Bio Bus shuttle schedule is on the back of the Shakori Hills > Festival program. We will be making stops at Durham's One World > Market, Chapel Hill's Trail Shop, and Carrboro's Weaver Street > Market all four days of the Festival. > > Hope to see you this weekend, > > Frank From leif at biofuels.coop Tue Oct 3 14:31:45 2006 From: leif at biofuels.coop (Leif Forer) Date: Tue Oct 3 09:27:16 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FOR SALE: Isuzu pickup Message-ID: <6DA2AB24-E2C9-4BBB-9608-5A7CAC157120@biofuels.coop> 1981 RARE Isuzu pick - up truck, 4 WD. Needs work, $2800/OBO. Call Kia: 919-967-2207. From dentonconrad at netzero.net Sat Oct 7 12:03:54 2006 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad) Date: Sat Oct 7 06:59:55 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel fuel from soybeans gains traction Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20061007110216.00bc0cb8@pop.netzero.net> Diesel fuel from soybeans gains traction - "Compared with petroleum diesel, the burning of biodiesel produces half the carbon monoxide and 78% less net carbon dioxide (CO2), the gas thought to cause global warming." http://www.machinedesign.com/ASP/viewSelectedArticle.asp?strArticleId=61078&strSite=MDSite&Screen=CURRENTISSUE&CatID=3 From john.bonitz at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 13:31:17 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu Oct 12 08:25:46 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] $2.5 M in Grants for Methane Recovery and Use as a Clean Energy Source Message-ID: <84a57a420610120931m6b67cae3y8802edb1dbd1ba2@mail.gmail.com> I wonder what would come of glycerol mixed with hog waste? I believe there are one or two biogas digesters on hogs farms here in NC. Perhaps they could be persuaded to research inclusion of glycerol? Just a thought... JB ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rosseel.Kevin@epamail.epa.gov Date: Oct 11, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: News release: $2.5 Million (U.S.) Grant Solicitation for Activities to Advance Methane Recovery and Use as a Clean Energy Source To: Climate Change Info Mailing List News Brief If you need more information on this subject, call the listed Press Officer. For Release: (Washington, D.C. ? Oct. 11, 2006) Grant Solicitation for Activities to Advance Methane Recovery and Use as a Clean Energy Source Contacts: Roxanne Smith, +1 202 564-4344 / smith.roxanne@epa.gov (media only) Erin Birgfeld, +1 202 343-9079 / birgfeld.erin@epa.gov (grant inquiries) The Environmental Protection Agency is requesting proposals to fund projects and activities that support the Methane to Markets Partnership. The partnership is an international initiative to reduce global methane emissions by promoting methane capture-and-use projects in four major sectors including agriculture (animal waste management), coal mining, landfills, and oil and gas systems. EPA expects to award up to 20 cooperative agreements through this announcement, ranging from $25,000 to $300,000 per award, for a total of $2.5 million. EPA is requesting proposals for projects that support the partnership broadly, but that may include the following types of activities: directly identify, characterize, or implement methane capture-and-use projects ? including technology transfer, feasibility and pre-feasibility studies, training and capacity building, or database development for potential sites. EPA seeks proposals from international governments, as well as public or private non-profit organizations. The estimated project period for awards is May 2007 through May 2009. Proposals are due by Dec. 4, 2006 at 4 p.m. Washington, D.C., time. For more information about the grant: http://www.epa.gov/methanetomarkets/activities.htm or from grants.gov: http://www.grants.gov/search/search.do?oppId=11145&mode=VIEW R271 .................... You are currently subscribed to $subst('List.Name') as: $subst('emailaddr') To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.UnSub') - Subscribe to IISD Reporting Services' free newsletters and lists for environment and sustainable development policy professionals at http://www.iisd.ca/email/subscribe.htm -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 15:25:06 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Thu Oct 12 10:05:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] USDA DESIGNATES 10 BIOBASED ITEMS FOR FEDERAL PROCUREMENT In-Reply-To: <84a57a420610120931m6b67cae3y8802edb1dbd1ba2@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420610120931m6b67cae3y8802edb1dbd1ba2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <452E8882.60706@gmail.com> From: "USDA News" [oc.news@usda.gov] Sent: 10/11/2006 03:24 PM Subject: USDA Release: USDA DESIGNATES 10 BIOBASED ITEMS FOR FEDERAL PROCUREMENT http://www.usda.gov/2006/10/0406.xml Release No. 0406.06 Contact: Kristin Scuderi (202)720-4623 USDA DESIGNATES 10 BIOBASED ITEMS FOR FEDERAL PROCUREMENT Announces Name and Training Initiative for Government-Wide Program ST. LOUIS, Oct. 11, 2006 - U.S. Department of Agriculture officials today announced a fourth proposed rule designating 10 more biobased product categories (representing over 480 biobased products) that must receive special purchasing consideration by all federal agencies. The designations are part of the Federal Biobased Products Preferred Procurement Program, which is being renamed "BioPreferred" as part of an effort to educate federal purchasers. "Adding 10 more biobased product categories to this comprehensive effort underscores its importance for the federal community and its potential to expand consumer choices in the future," said USDA Chief Economist, Dr. Keith Collins. "Once these rules are final, agency purchases will increase demand for existing biobased products, create incentives for new products, and generate new economic opportunities for biobased product producers, including our farmers and ranchers." Today's proposed rule adds over 480 biobased products to a list designated for preferred purchase. In an effort to streamline the program for general use among purchasing officials within the federal government, USDA also today announced the new name, "BioPreferred," and a training initiative to promote the program. "Our goal is to help our counterparts at federal agencies to understand their obligations and the broad benefits associated with the BioPreferred program," said USDA Assistant Secretary for Administration, Boyd Rutherford. "This program helps to protect our environment while enhancing our nation's energy security by replacing petrochemical-based products with those manufactured from biobased materials." USDA has previously issued final guidelines for the biobased procurement program and developed a model procurement program of training and education to help federal procurement officials and users of biobased products identify and purchase qualifying biobased products. Information on the guidelines and training program for BioPreferred is available at http://www.usda.gov/biopreferred. Today's proposed rule, published in the Federal Register, is part of a series of rules to designate biobased items. The new items include: bath and tile cleaners; clothing products; concrete and asphalt release fluids; cutting, drilling, and tapping oils; deicers; durable films; firearm lubricants; floor strippers; laundry products; and wood and concrete sealers. USDA encourages interested parties to submit comments on the proposed rules during the 60-day public comment period following their publication. The web site also contains a catalog listing the qualifying biobased products that manufacturers have posted under each grouping of products designated by final rulemaking. The program is authorized by the 2002 farm bill. USDA published the first final rule designating six items (about 200 biobased products) for preferred procurement in March 2006. Federal agencies must give preference to designated biobased products in government purchases within one year of publication of the final designation rule. Additional information on the final rule and the program may be obtained by contacting: Marvin Duncan, USDA, Office of the Chief Economist, Office of Energy Policy and New Uses, Room 4059, South Building, 1400 Independence Avenue SW., MS-3815, Washington, DC 20250-3815 or by email to: mailto:mmduncan@oce.usda.gov. # USDA News oc.news@usda.gov 202 720-4623 From john.bonitz at gmail.com Thu Oct 12 22:56:53 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu Oct 12 17:51:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] STOP THE DRAFTS! Oct 22nd GWZ Weatherproofing Party! Message-ID: <84a57a420610121856j3aff93eep6085a2545caa5d86@mail.gmail.com> Dear friends of the fat and fuelmakers! Cooler nights are already upon us. Cold weather and chilly drafts will soon creep into our nearly complete Grease Warming Zone, and 'freeze' our fatty feedstocks! So, we are gathering on Sunday, October 22, 10 til 4, to weatherproof our beautiful new GWZ! Give John Bonitz a call if you can help out: 919-360-2492. Pizza and goat cheese awaits those hearty and generous souls who come pitch-in. Come one, come all! Bring tools to stop the drafts! Now here's our order for the "Cosmic Waiter." These are some things we know we need, followed by a wish-list of other things... o Scraps of Styrofoam Insulation Board (preferably not the bead kind) o Scraps of foam pipe insulation o Caulk & caulk guns (at least 2) o Wooden strips of lath for covering long, large cracks (1" wide, at least 40' worth, any lengths) Wish List... + fiberglass batt scraps + adhesive weatherstripping (for doorways) + foam in a can (Polyurethane Foam Sealant) + pneumatic nail-gun (to fasten the lath) + several long screwdrivers (to jam stuff into cracks) + box knives (to cut old materials before jamming it into cracks) + scrap pieces of plywood, larger than 2"x2" (for the real big holes) SUNDAY OCTOBER 22nd is also wood-splitting and stacking party! Matt will be renting a power splitter for big rounds. Please bring chainsaws for long stuff. We'll provide safety goggles for the first 3 chainsawers! (No Texas Chainsaw Massacre jokes, please.) Eat your wheaties! Contact Matt Rudolph if you can help on firewood: 919-810-2295, or email . P.S. Don't forget to mark your calendar for the awesome Masquerade Party Saturday, October 21st. Celebrate National Coop Month by dressin' up and gettin' down! Details here: http://www.chathammarketplace.com/community.shtml#masquerade From lpetrovick at co.wake.nc.us Fri Oct 13 02:00:51 2006 From: lpetrovick at co.wake.nc.us (lpetrovick@co.wake.nc.us) Date: Thu Oct 12 20:55:21 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Larry M Petrovick/CDS/Wake County is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 10/11/2006 and will not return until 10/16/2006. I will respond to your message when I return on 09/17/06 From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Oct 15 23:11:35 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sun Oct 15 18:05:40 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] German Automakers Band Together to Push Diesels in the United States Message-ID: German carmakers will join forces to introduce clean diesel cars under the trade name Bluetec in the North American market, according to press reports. Volkswagen, including its Audi unit, has agreed with DaimlerChrysler to use the Bluetec trade name and urea-Selective Catalytic Reduction system developed by Mercedes and Bosch. The system enables vehicle emissions that meet the US Tier 2 Bin 5 standards for diesel passenger cars starting in 2008. BMW and DaimlerChrysler will reportedly finalize a similar Bluetec agreement later this week. From mattr at biofuels.coop Mon Oct 16 12:25:13 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Mon Oct 16 07:19:18 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: News from CASE References: <35B0627A-5CD3-11DB-8E11-0003936AA1C0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: Liz Cullington > Date: October 16, 2006 1:00:14 AM EDT > To: Liz Cullington > Subject: News from CASE > > 1. Circle of Friends for Safer Energy, Friday October 20, 4-6 pm, > Courthouse Circle, Pittsboro. Call to action on fire safety issues > at Harris Plant.Progress Energy should should bring Shearon Harris > into full compliance with fire safety regulations or shut down the > plant, says organizer and mother of three Audrey Schwankl of > Pittsboro. She and her neighbors have been holding monthly vigils > at the traffic circle to alert the public to Progress Energy?s > plans to build two additional reactors at the Harris site. More > information: Call Audrey Scwankl, 545-0588 > > 2. Alston Chapel United Holy Church and Chatham Alliance for > Sustainable Energy will be screening the documentary film ?An > Inconvenient Truth? (PG) on Tuesday 24th October at 7 pm in the > CCCC Multipurpose Room, Pittsboro. Admission is free. The film > incorporates former Vice President Al Gore?s ?traveling global > warming show,? designed to refute both myths and misinformation > about global warming and its imminent threat to the world?s > climate, resources and population. For more information, call > 837-8738. > Margie Ellison 837-8738 or Ed King 933-4254. > > 3. NC WARN has filed a legal petition with the NRC asking federal > regulators to make Progress Energy bring the Harris Plant into > compliance with fire safety rules. Read the petitionn at > www.ncwarn.org. > > To support this effort, attend WARN's annual silent auction and > dance party, Saturday November 11, at the Eno River Unitarian > Universalist Fellowship in Durham. Donations to the auction can be > made up til October 25th. A donation form and more details are > available at the WARN website, or call 416-5077. Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From mattr at biofuels.coop Mon Oct 16 12:27:35 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Mon Oct 16 07:21:38 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Reminder - Sustainable Ag. Conference - Register Today! References: <003f01c6eed7$f82dfaa0$2201a8c0@cfsa4> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: "Amy Eller" > Date: October 13, 2006 10:56:42 AM EDT > To: > Subject: Reminder - Sustainable Ag. Conference - Register Today! > > 21st Annual Sustainable Agriculture Conference > Presented by the Carolina Farm Stewardship Association > When: October 27 ? 29, 2006 > Where: Spartanburg, SC ? Spartanburg Marriott at Renaissance Park > More info: www.carolinafarmstewards.org or 919-542-2402 > > Hi Folks, > > If you haven?t registered for the Sustainable Ag Conference, now is > the time! Don?t wait any longer to take advantage of the Pre- > Registration discounts! Hotels in Spartanburg are filling up > quickly! ACT NOW! > > All conference details are available at > www.carolinafarmstewards.org ? just click on the Sustainable Ag > Conference link on the right side of the screen. You can even > register online this year! > > We hope to be 700 strong! Don?t miss out on the great sustainable > ag workshops, awesome meals prepared using the best local > ingredients, contra dance, seed exchange, food & farming film > festival and so much more! Join the Carolina(and beyond!) > Sustainable Ag Family for a great weekend of inspiration, education > and loads of fun! > > Register Today! > > We?ll see ya in Spartanburg! > > *If you belong to other email groups of interest to this event, > please pass this along! Thank you!* > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Amy Eller > Communications Manager > Carolina Farm Stewardship Association > P.O. Box 448 > Pittsboro, NC 27312 > phone: (919) 542-2402 > fax: (919) 542-7401 > www.carolinafarmstewards.org > > > Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Oct 16 19:46:50 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Oct 16 14:40:52 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI for sale References: Message-ID: Please contact seller direct: > > All, > > I have a 2000 TDI Golf for sale. It has 77K miles, I am asking > $13,000. I recognize the price is high; I just replaced the turbo > charger, rotors, brakes, timing belt, cabin filter. Now it is good > to go for you. Too small for my wife and I already have a '98 > jetta TDI. Hard to sell with those kind of repairs so I made the > investment. It is white with black interior and has tinted > windows. It has a CD player, power locks/windows, and sunroof. I > have had it since July and I use b100 and I have replaced the fuel > filter once. Contact info is: mike.chrestensen@yahoo.com and > phone is 919-286-3030. Thanks, Mike C > From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Oct 16 20:36:06 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Oct 16 15:30:12 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: upcoming events References: <20061016182259.XERL21592.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@MIS0444> Message-ID: <41AAC095-D4D0-4A16-A794-138C64593F3D@blast.com> FYI - There is a biofuel session at both CFSA & the Natural products conference. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Debbie Roos" > Date: October 16, 2006 2:27:28 PM EDT > To: "sustagchatham" > Subject: upcoming events > Reply-To: "Debbie Roos" > > Hi everyone, > > There are lots of great programs coming up and I wanted to make > sure you > knew about them. The short list is below; scroll down for further > details > > Debbie > > 1) October 24: Lecture on "Pesticides, Poisoning and Self-Harm" in > Chapel > Hill, NC > > 2) October 27?29: CFSA Sustainable Agriculture Conference in > Spartanburg, SC > > 3) October 31-November 1: Mid-Atlantic Grazing Conference in > Goldsboro, NC > > 4) November 17-18: NC Natural Products Conference in Boone, NC > > 5) November 29-December 1: Hands-on Farmstead Cheesemaking Short > Course in > Raleigh, NC > > 6) December 1: Pastured Poultry Production Conference in Pittsboro, NC > > > 1) > > October 24, 2006 > "Pesticides, Poisoning and Self-Harm" > 3:00-4:30 pm > Chapel Hill, NC > > Presented by: > Lorann Stallones, MPH, PhD > Director, Colorado Injury Control Research Center > Professor, Department of Psychology, > Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO > > Studies have reported high rates of suicide among selected > occupations, > including farmers. Recently, exposure to pesticides was > hypothesized to > serve as a risk factor for suicidal behavior as well as the agent > used in > acts of self-harm. Animal studies document the impact of > organophosphate > exposure on serotonin levels providing evidence for the possible link > between exposure to organophosphate pesticides and suicide in > humans. The > literature and ongoing research on the relationship between > exposure to > organophosphate pesticides, depression, aggression, and suicidal > behavior > will be discussed. > > The program will be at the Tate Turner Kuralt Auditorium on the UNC > campus > in Chapel Hill. Sponsored by the UNC Injury Prevention Research > Center, > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. This seminar is free > and open > to the public. Registration is NOT required. If you have any > questions, > please call 919-966-2251 or 843-3530. > > 2) > > October 27?29, 2006 > 21st Annual Sustainable Agriculture Conference > Presented by the Carolina Farm Stewardship Association > Spartanburg Marriott at Renaissance Park > Spartanburg, SC > > If you haven?t registered for the Sustainable Ag Conference, now is > the > time! Don?t wait any longer to take advantage of the Pre-Registration > discounts! Hotels in Spartanburg are filling up quickly! ACT NOW! > > All conference details are available at http:// > www.carolinafarmstewards.org > ? just click on the Sustainable Ag Conference link on the right > side of the > screen. You can even register online this year! > > We hope to be 700 strong! Don?t miss out on the great sustainable ag > workshops, awesome meals prepared using the best local ingredients, > contra > dance, seed exchange, food & farming film festival and so much > more! Join > the Carolina (and beyond!) Sustainable Ag Family for a great > weekend of > inspiration, education and loads of fun! > > Register Today! We?ll see you in Spartanburg! > > 3) > > October 31-November 1, 2006 > Mid-Atlantic Grazing Conference > Center for Environmental Farming Systems > Goldsboro, NC > > This multi-state educational program will include invited speakers, > a panel > discuusion among dairy graziers, and presentations of pasture-based > dairy > research at CEFS. Visit the CEFS website at > http://www.cefs.ncsu.edu/dairygrazingmain.htm for conference details. > > Organized by Steve Washburn, NC A&T State University. Email > cefs_info@ncsu.edu or call 919-513-0954 for more information. > > 4) > > November 17-18, 2006 > 3rd Annual North Carolina Natural Products Conference > "Cultivating the New Wellness-Driven Economy in North Carolina" > Boone, NC > > The Third Annual North Carolina Natural Products Association > Conference will > take place at the Broyhill Inn and Conference Center in Boone on > November 17 > and 18, 2006. The conference registration fee is $95 for members of > the > North Carolina Natural Products Association (NCNPA); $135 for the > general > public. > > The purpose of the event is to inform and inspire attendees about the > economic potential of natural products for North Carolina. > Opportunities > are available in agriculture, medicine, manufacturing, and research > for a > wide array of natural products ranging from native medicinal herbs and > functional foods to biofuels. This conference will provide > information from > leaders in the field, many from North Carolina. Attendees will > choose from > a number of hands-on workshops and information-packed educational > sessions > designed to help them realize the opportunities that await as North > Carolina > expands into a wellness-driven economy. > > Friday's workshops will be followed by dinner and a keynote > presentation by > Michael McGuffin, president of the American Herbal Products > Association. > Saturday's educational program will be highlighted by a lunchtime > plenary > address by Loren Israelson of the Utah Natural Products Alliance. > > Saturday's sessions are contained in five tracks: Natural Health & > Wellness, > Science & Natural Biotechnology, The Business of Natural Products, > Regional > Opportunities, and Horticulture. Workshop presenters include: Omar > Cruz of > Gaia Herbs, Dr. Keith Levine of the Research Triangle Institute, John > Grassby of Yampa Valley Botanicals, Robin Suggs of MoonBranch > Botanicals, > Dr. Jeanine Davis of NC State University, Cheryl McMurry of the > Western > Office of the NC Biotechnology Center, and many more. Please visit > www.ncnaturalproducts.org for a complete session listing. > > You can access the program online at http://ncnaturalproducts.org. > If you > would like a stack of printed programs, please contact Lindsay > Benedict, > conference coordinator, at 828.777.5747 or Lbenedict@NCARBORETUM.ORG. > > The NC Natural Products Association was formed in 2002 to establish > North > Carolina as a leader in the natural products industry. > > 5) > > November 29-December 1, 2006 > 3rd Annual Hands-on Farmstead Cheesemaking Short Course > Raleigh, NC > > Conducted by North Carolina State University in Raleigh, NC. For full > details, download the agenda and registration form at > http://chatham.ces.ncsu.edu/growingsmallfarms/ > FarmsteadNewsletter06-08.pdf > or contact Gary Cartwright at 919-513-2488. > > 6) > > December 1, 2006 > Pastured Poultry Production Conference > Pittsboro, NC > > The Chatham County Center of North Carolina Cooperative Extension > will offer > a Pastured Poultry Production Conference as part of its Enhancing > Sustainability Series from 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m. at the Agricultural > Building > Auditorium in Pittsboro, NC. The conference will focus on the nuts > and bolts > of production including breed selection, brooder management, housing, > fencing, predator control, feeding, watering, and much more. > Details will be > released later in October. Contact Debbie Roos at 919-542-8202 or > debbie_roos@ncsu.edu for more information. > > > Debbie Roos > Agricultural Extension Agent > Organic and Sustainable Agriculture > North Carolina State University > North Carolina Cooperative Extension > Chatham County Center > Growing Small Farms Website: > http://chatham.ces.ncsu.edu/growingsmallfarms > Post Office Box 279 > Pittsboro, NC 27312 > Email: debbie_roos@ncsu.edu > Phone: 919.542.8202 Fax: 919.542.8246 > > > > > > > > From john.bonitz at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 20:44:12 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Mon Oct 16 15:38:22 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Parties! Message-ID: <84a57a420610161644t77cac7dbu8782d49d795fbeb6@mail.gmail.com> Hello Beautiful Biofuelers! Plans are coming together for our parties this weekend. Do you have your costume ready for Saturday night? Coop Masquerade & Potluck Party, 6pm until... http://www.chathammarketplace.com/community.shtml#masquerade And stuff is falling into place for our Sunday weatherproofing extravaganza! The cosmic waiter came through with mucho plywood scraps and lath (thanks to the construction dumpsters at Chatham Forest!). Even found a piece of foamboard insulation! And I hear we've still got some left-over recycled blue-jean fiber insulation batts, which is very cool (or warm, to be precise). We could still use the following... + caulk (two or three tubes, with accompanying caulk-guns) + butterknives or long screwdrivers (to jam the insulation into the cracks) + nail-gun, anyone? Matt Rudolph will be holding down the fort up at the bio-powered firewood facility, all day Sunday. So, come on out and join us for the fun! Remember, yummy pizza and goat cheese awaits those who join in the effort and fun! cheers! John -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear friends of the fat and fuelmakers! Cooler nights are already upon us. Cold weather and chilly drafts will soon creep into our nearly complete Grease Warming Zone, and 'freeze' our fatty feedstocks! So, we are gathering on Sunday, October 22, 10 til 4, to weatherproof our beautiful new GWZ! Give John Bonitz a call if you can help out: 919-360-2492. Pizza and goat cheese awaits those hearty and generous souls who come pitch-in. Come one, come all! Bring tools to stop the drafts! Now here's our order for the "Cosmic Waiter." These are some things we know we need, followed by a wish-list of other things... o Scraps of Styrofoam Insulation Board (preferably not the bead kind) o Scraps of foam pipe insulation o Caulk & caulk guns (at least 2) o Wooden strips of lath for covering long, large cracks (1" wide, at least 40' worth, any lengths) Wish List... + fiberglass batt scraps + adhesive weatherstripping (for doorways) + foam in a can (Polyurethane Foam Sealant) + pneumatic nail-gun (to fasten the lath) + several long screwdrivers (to jam stuff into cracks) + box knives (to cut old materials before jamming it into cracks) + scrap pieces of plywood, larger than 2"x2" (for the real big holes) SUNDAY OCTOBER 22nd is also wood-splitting and stacking party! Matt will be renting a power splitter for big rounds. Please bring chainsaws for long stuff. We'll provide safety goggles for the first 3 chainsawers! (No Texas Chainsaw Massacre jokes, please.) Eat your wheaties! Contact Matt Rudolph if you can help on firewood: 919-810-2295, or email . P.S. Don't forget to mark your calendar for the awesome Masquerade Party Saturday, October 21st. Celebrate National Coop Month by dressin' up and gettin' down! Details here: http://www.chathammarketplace.com/community.shtml#masquerade From marc at theforestfoundation.org Tue Oct 17 18:37:09 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Tue Oct 17 14:06:23 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Poster Girl Removed from Tank Trail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Triangle B100 Tank Trail Users: Godar's Garage has removed the poster/calendar of scantily clad women from the mechanics shop. Word had spread that the image had offended some and was perceived as "pornographic." Godar and all of us wish to apologize to all those who took offense, and to those who did not for taking it down. The woman is now fully clothed and/or out of view. We can now all pump freely the wonderful elixer of life, biodiesel, without sight of images that perpetuate negative sterotypes of our species, or make our minds' wander. Whew! May grease be with you! trail monitoring committee From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Oct 18 08:42:12 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Oct 18 03:36:14 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] BES Announces Low Cloud Point Biodiesel Made from Palm Message-ID: <91BC6F86-8C48-4138-A587-7AD41CB9A6AD@blast.com> Oct 17, 2006 - Busineswire - La Fabril, one of the largest producers of biodiesel from Palm Oil in the world and currently the largest exporter of biodiesel into the United States, announced today that it is commercially producing a biodiesel product made from Palm Oil that has a sub-zero Celsius cloud point. Palm Oil has been widely recognized as being the premier feedstock for making biodiesel. The only negative that has been attributed to biodiesel made from Palm Oil has been its relatively high cloud point. The new ?Cold Flo Biodiesel? erases the negative. The product is not an additive but a biodiesel fuel that meets ASTM 6751 in the U.S. and EN 14214 in the European Union. The cloud point (the point at which liquid starts to gel) of the palm biodiesel produced by La Fabril and others to date has typically been above 13? Celsius. The ?Cold Flo Biodiesel? has consistently been tested to -3? Celsius, and is being sold with a guarantee of 0? Celsius. The biodiesel will be marketed by Biodiesel Energy Systems, Inc., La Fabril?s marketing partner for the United States and Europe. It will be sold to a variety of customers that will put it into transportation, marine, heating oil and power generation applications. La Fabril has exported more than ten million gallons of biodiesel to the United States in the past twelve months. The company currently has a production capacity of 36 million gallons per year and is completing a mid-refining addition that will allow it to expand to 100 million gallons per year. The company based in Manta, Ecuador is vertically integrated from palm plantations to the refinery. It has produced edible oil products from palm and other oils for over 40 years. ?Our years and experience in vegetable oils together with our commitment to R&D and to being an innovative company has given us the ability to bring this breakthrough product to the market so fast. We hope to see Cold Flo Biodiesel recognized as the premier biodiesel in the world,? said Carlos Gonzalez, General Manager and third generation principal of La Fabril. Biodiesel produced from palm fruit is interchangeable with petroleum diesel and has many superior qualities over biodiesel produced from other feedstock, such as its oxidation rate. Palm Oil yields approximately 14 times more oil than soybean, which is more commonly used in the United States and much less expensive than rapeseed commonly used in Europe. From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Wed Oct 18 15:50:44 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Wed Oct 18 10:46:38 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] oops freeze Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC3720@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Did any other B100ers get caught by that freeze last Saturday night? Chipping the ice off the Jetta Sunday morning I feared it would die shortly with a clogged fuel filter. Nope. No problem. The Beetle however got about 5 minutes down the road and coughed to a stop. No restart. Automotion had to change the fuel filter, add a bunch of petrodiesel, flush it through, and reprime the injection pump. We'll see what happens after the next freeze. Maybe the difference between the cars was that the Jetta tank was full while the Beetle was almost empty. Or maybe it has something to do with those new fat hoses associated with the auxiliary fuel pump installed in the Jetta last winter. (Never had to use it - the injection pump "cavitation" problem disappeared after the installation.) Start your splash blending folks! Jim Symon The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From gena5 at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 18 16:02:51 2006 From: gena5 at bellsouth.net (Gena) Date: Wed Oct 18 10:57:03 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] oops freeze In-Reply-To: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC3720@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> References: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC3720@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Message-ID: <95CF4B34-3E68-4CB3-8088-6839CD348B46@bellsouth.net> what is splash blending? gena, neophyte On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:50 PM, Jim Symon wrote: > > Start your splash blending folks! > > Jim Symon > > > From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Wed Oct 18 16:30:39 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Wed Oct 18 11:24:46 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] oops freeze Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC3722@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Hi Gena, In cold weather (possumly getting below freezing) I put a couple or three gallons of petro diesel into my tank before filling up with B100. They blend nicely splashing around in the tank and it seems to keep those nasty wax crystals from forming in the fuel and clogging the fuel filter. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Gena [mailto:gena5@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:03 PM > To: Jim Symon > Cc: Biofuels Group (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] oops freeze > > > what is splash blending? > > gena, neophyte > > On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:50 PM, Jim Symon wrote: > > > > > Start your splash blending folks! > > > > Jim Symon > > > > > > > The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From john.bonitz at gmail.com Fri Oct 20 17:45:20 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Fri Oct 20 12:39:09 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Deep frying a turkey for Thanksgiving? Message-ID: <84a57a420610201345q44e5a038td1dc4b8102df622a@mail.gmail.com> Dear Chatham Neighbors, Planning on deep frying a turkey for Thanksgiving? There's nothing like that delicious moist flavor! But what do you do with all that fryer oil after you're done? Don't throw it out! Liquids are banned from our trash here in Chatham County. Disposing of this waste veggie oil is now two-times easier than it used to be! Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative is happy to take your used fryer oil. For your convenience, we have created two new drop-off centers for used cooking oil during the holidays. One is in the east, one is in the west. This is in addition to the County Solid Waste Division drop site, at the old landfill location off hiway 64. + EAST Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative in Moncure: http://www.biofuels.coop/directions.shtml (Click on "Co-Op") + WEST Celebrity Dairy in Silk Hope: http://www.celebritydairy.com/inn/inn_directions.htm (Please call in advance: 919-360-2492.) + CENTER Old Landfill: http://www.chathamrecycles.com/yard.shtml Before donation, used cooking oil should be cooled, then poured back into the original container. Please make sure your oil is safely contained with a lid. Also, Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative has a standing invitation for the public to come by on Sundays at 1pm to learn how we make fuel out of recycled fryer oil. The above link to directions also has more info about tours, and info on joining the cooperative. Happy holidays! John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC www.biofuels.coop From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Oct 23 19:02:06 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Oct 23 13:55:45 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Centralina Clean Fuels Coalition (CCFC) - Monthly Email Update References: <6D29349473E22449865356FEE7CE18494BDF67@CCOGSBS1.ccogdom1.local> Message-ID: <4DDC255D-33D4-4A42-A24D-8EACEC4A69AC@blast.com> > Monthly Email Update ? October 2006 > > Based on input from stakeholders CCFC will be emailing out a > monthly email update that highlights news, events and grant > announcements for the month. This is our first installment, please > forward on to anyone that may be interested in alternative fuels. > > Grant Announcements: > > > > Clean Fuel Advanced Technology (CFAT) Grants: > > Approximately $1.5 million in funding will be available through the > NC Solar Center for a program supported by the NC Department of > Transportation, NC Division of Air Quality and the State Energy > Office. Grants will be provided for a portion of the incremental > costs of alternative fuel vehicles, refueling infrastructure and > other projects that reduce mobile emissions in national ambient air > quality non-attainment and maintenance counties in NC. > The RFP for the 2006 grants was released this week with $338,807 in > funds available. Deadline is December 15, 2006, for more > information visit: http://www.4cleanfuels.com/funding.asp > Mobile Source Emissions Reduction Grants ? NC Division of Air Quality > NC Division of Air Quality recently announced the 2007 Mobile > Source Emissions Reduction grant. The grant?s goal is to achieve > actual reductions from on- and off- road mobile source related > emissions in North Carolina to assist the State in maintaining the > National Air Quality Standards for primarily ozone and carbon > monoxide. Deadline is December 31, 2006, for more information > visit: http://www.daq.state.nc.us/motor/ms_grants/ > > > National Energy Technology Labs: > > FYI- NETL has just released a new Funding Opportunity titled- > "Development of Power Electronics and Electric Motor Technology for > Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEV), Internal Combustion Engine > Hybrid Electric Vehicles (HEV) and Fuel Cell Vehicle (FCV) Traction > Drive Applications" that I thought might be of interest to you and/ > or your stakeholders. See the link below for more information. > > http://www.netl.doe.gov/business/solicitations/index.html > > Events/Conferences: > > November 4th: 9:00am-2:45pm - 2006 Sustainable Energy Conference > ?Energizing Communities?. Join us for NCSEA?s 2006 Sustainable > Energy Conference where we will focus on energizing North > Carolina?s communities and their leaders in promoting a sustainable > energy future. Caraway Conference Center: 4756 Caraway Mountain Rd, > Sophia, NC 27350. For more information: > www.ncsustainableenergy.org, call (919) 832-7601 or e-mail > ncsea@mindspring.com > > November 15th: A Summit on Resolving the Energy Crisis > Western Carolina University hosts a day-long conference on the > topic of energy independences. Topics discussed will include: > Government and Business Energy Efficiency, Renewable Technologies > and Methods and Strategies. Keynote speakers include Katherine > Fredriksen (DOE) and Beverly Perdue (NC Lieutenant Governor). For > more information visit: www.wcu.edu/ppi > March 12-14, 2007 ? Business Basics and Biofuels or Photovoltaics > Industries > NC State University > A workshop covering the business, management, marketing and > distributing aspects of the biofuels and photovoltaics industries. > There will be separate tracks for each industry. For more > information call (919) 515-2261 or visit: > www.continuingeducation.ncsu.edu > > April 1-4, 2007 ? 2007 Alternative Fuels and Vehicles Expo and > National Conference Anaheim, CA > AFVI holds it annual conference to bring fleet managers, industry > leaders other others interested in alternative fuels the latest > vehicles and technologies available. Workshops and conference > topics will also include cost-effective emission reductions, tax > incentives and analyzing fleet options. For more information > visit: www.afvi.org/nationalconference2007 > > News/Other Items of Interest: > > The IRS recently announced that tax credits for Toyota hybrids will > be phased out on October 1st. Under the 2005 legislation > establishing the tax credits, provisions were included that phased > out the credits shortly after an automaker sells 60,000 eligible > cars. For more information visit: > http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=161076,00.html > > $10,000 More for 2007 Volvo Diesel Trucks > Volvo Trucks has announced their price increases diesel engines > that will comply with the 2007 EPA and 2007 EU standards. Volvo > said trucks complying with new EU emission regulations, which will > go into effect Oct. 1, will be up to $7,000 more expensive than > this year?s models, while vehicles built to comply with new U.S. > standards, which will take effect Jan. 1, will be up to $10,000 > more expensive. Not surprisingly, they also announced that eight- > month sales at Volvo AB rose 3 percent as customers in the United > States and Europe increased their truck purchases ahead of looming > emission regulations that will make the vehicles more expensive > next year. > > Idle-Reduction Information > Centralina Clean Fuels Coalition has developed a one-stop webpage > focused on idle reduction technologies and information. We hope > that our one-stop solution webpages will help our stakeholders > learn more about a particular topic. For more information visit: > http://www.4cleanfuels.com/Idle_Reduction.asp > > Thank you, > > Sarah Niess > Centralina Clean Fuels Coalition > 704.348.2719 > www.4cleanfuels.com > > From charles at camopar.net Mon Oct 23 20:14:16 2006 From: charles at camopar.net (Charles Hudacko) Date: Mon Oct 23 19:32:58 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] looking for a car dealer or appraiser Message-ID: Hi all, A few weeks ago I had a fender bender in my '87 Mercedes 300TD and the insurance adjuster is offering me a low ball offer, saying that the car is only worth $3000. I need to find a dealer or other dealership that is bio-fuel friendly that can supply me with a higher value. I have found about a dozen of my model either on the market or recently sold with a price range of $5000 to $11000, and a average of $7800. I'll appreciate all the help, Charles Hudacko From charles at camopar.net Mon Oct 23 20:19:02 2006 From: charles at camopar.net (Charles Hudacko) Date: Mon Oct 23 19:33:13 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Any articles on the effect of biofuel interest to the demand of used Diesel cars? Message-ID: Hi All, I'm looking for any articles that will show that used Diesel cars are in demand, due to the bio Diesel following. I want to flood the insurance agent with info if possible. Thanks in advance, Charles From shipyardphil at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 07:12:04 2006 From: shipyardphil at yahoo.com (Phil Carter) Date: Wed Oct 25 05:05:35 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why are small Diesels are not sold? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061025131204.23546.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have the law that is making it to costly for them to bring in small diesel cars? Trucks don't seem to be bothered, but I can't find a new diesel VW or Audi Toyota or anything? I know a law was passed but I can't find it. Thanks, Phil Carter --- Charles Hudacko wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm looking for any articles that will show that > used Diesel cars are > in demand, due to the bio Diesel following. > > I want to flood the insurance agent with info if > possible. > > Thanks in advance, > Charles > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mattr at biofuels.coop Wed Oct 25 21:10:53 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Wed Oct 25 16:03:52 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] First Neutral CO2 Global Warming Biodiesel Plant To Be Built Message-ID: San Diego, CA - Green Star Products, Inc. will build the first biodiesel plant to emit almost zero net Global Warming Gases (GWG) (CO2) from direct plant production of biodiesel. It is an established fact that the use of biodiesel fuel in diesel engines will reduce CO2 Global Warming Gases (by 78% on a life cycle basis). However, the biodiesel plants that produce biodiesel do emit GWG because they require heating input usually from natural gas, which is not renewable and emits CO2, and they also require electricity from local utilities, which emit CO2, and finally the chemical processes uses 10% methanol (wood alcohol) usually supplied from sources outside the U.S. and made from natural gas, all of which add to Global Warming and are not renewable. The GSPI Consortium considered the elimination of all these factors in the design of their new biodiesel plant; the first of several (see GSPI press release dated August 9, 2006) is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho. This would make the Idaho plant the first biodiesel plant in the world to operate at close to zero net CO2 emissions. If this type of plant had been built in countries that have signed the Kyoto Treaty, it would be eligible for significant additional CO2 credits, which are now traded on world markets. Joseph P. LaStella, P.E., President of GSPI, stated, "In order to accomplish this 'Zero Net CO2' concept, the following design changes had to be made to the operations of the plant." First, our proprietary continuous flow waterless process requires less than one-third the electrical energy to operate versus existing batch plants. Therefore, we have decided to furnish our own electric generators, which will run on our own biodiesel. The existing electrical utility connections will only serve as an emergency backup service. Second, biodiesel plants require heat for processing. Our boilers will run on biodiesel and will only serve as a backup heat source for the plant. Our biodiesel facility is located within 200 yards of a co-generation power plant. We are in negotiations to utilize some of the waste heat from that plant. Steam power plants must condense their steam through condensers before it can be reheated and returned to power the steam turbine. GSPI can extract all the heat it needs right before the power plant condensers. Therefore, not only does this utilize waste heat, it also increases the efficiency of the power plant. Third, the entire biodiesel industry uses methanol in their process to chemically convert feedstock soy oil, canola oil, etc. to biodiesel fuel (which is a methyl ester). Almost all of the methanol used in the U.S. comes from South American countries and of course is not renewable because it is produced from natural gas. Methanol is used by the industry because it is less expensive and has some advantages over using ethanol, which can also be used to make biodiesel, except it is much more expensive. GSPI will use ethanol to process biodiesel and transform the Idaho facility into a 100% renewable one in which 100% of the products are made in the U.S. Part of the Idaho facilities will house an ethanol research facility, which will produce ethanol from a variety of waste products (not corn). These will include cellulose ethanol made from switch grass, wood chips and a variety of waste stalks from local farmers. The research facility will only produce enough ethanol to supply the biodiesel plant for its operations. However, it will be eligible for significant government grants and U.S. Department of Energy low interest loans to demonstrate the ability to produce ethanol from agricultural products. The U.S. Government has launched a massive incentive program to create an industry to produce ethanol from waste agricultural products. In June 2006, the U.S. Government announced a $160 million dollar research program to investigate the development of ethanol production from cellulose feedstock and as recently as August 14, 2006 the U.S. Department of Energy launched a two billion dollar low cost loan guarantee program for clean energy. The program includes cellulose ethanol research. The GSPI Consortium has extensive experience in producing cellulose ethanol from waste agricultural products and will submit proposals for these extensive Government programs. The most recent patent granted (to a GSPI Consortium partner) in conjunction with producing ethanol and other downstream valuable chemical products from agricultural waste was issued on June 21, 2006. Mr. LaStella further stated, "The Idaho facility will be the first of its kind in many aspects. The facility itself is comprised of a 90,000 sq. ft. facility with modern grain holding facilities. It has a 1,000 feet railroad spur and also can unload and load railroad cars and trucks from its elevator facilities." The facility is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho, which is an old railroad town and has extensive existing railroad facilities. The Mayor of Glenns Ferry has welcomed our company and there is also support for the plant at the state level. Much of the biodiesel plant equipment has already been shipped to the site and we are awaiting final approval to start construction. (See pictures at GreenStarUSA.com.) The Glenns Ferry Facility will have a startup biodiesel production capacity of 10 million gallons per year. However, most of the equipment is designed for a quick expansion as state demand increases. The facility's infrastructure can support 60 million gallons per year capacity, not including the supporting ethanol production. The Glenns Ferry Facility will be the first Biodiesel Plant in the World to emit Near Zero net Global Warming Gases. SOURCE: Green Star Products, Inc. Original Post Note: Original Post From pdowker at mac.com Wed Oct 25 20:08:22 2006 From: pdowker at mac.com (Peter Dowker) Date: Thu Oct 26 06:36:54 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why are small Diesels are not sold? In-Reply-To: <20061025131204.23546.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061025131204.23546.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't believe it's a law per se, but rather the auto manufacturers not wanting to spend the time and money getting the new models (a new engine is considered a new model) EPA and DOT certified. On Oct 25, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Phil Carter wrote: > Does anyone have the law that is making it to costly > for them to bring in small diesel cars? Trucks don't > seem to be bothered, but I can't find a new diesel VW > or Audi Toyota or anything? I know a law was passed > but I can't find it. > > > Thanks, > Phil Carter > > --- Charles Hudacko wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm looking for any articles that will show that >> used Diesel cars are >> in demand, due to the bio Diesel following. >> >> I want to flood the insurance agent with info if >> possible. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Charles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From shipyardphil at yahoo.com Thu Oct 26 14:43:35 2006 From: shipyardphil at yahoo.com (Phil Carter) Date: Thu Oct 26 12:36:56 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why are small Diesels are not sold? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061026204335.81117.qmail@web50811.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you everyone. I guess it is companies are not wanting to meet new standards in emmisions. It may also be to ULSD. I think it is odd that small diesels are the ones affected by the law the most... --- Peter Dowker wrote: > I don't believe it's a law per se, but rather the > auto manufacturers > not wanting to spend the time and money getting the > new models (a new > engine is considered a new model) EPA and DOT > certified. > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Phil Carter wrote: > > > Does anyone have the law that is making it to > costly > > for them to bring in small diesel cars? Trucks > don't > > seem to be bothered, but I can't find a new diesel > VW > > or Audi Toyota or anything? I know a law was > passed > > but I can't find it. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Phil Carter > > > > --- Charles Hudacko wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I'm looking for any articles that will show that > >> used Diesel cars are > >> in demand, due to the bio Diesel following. > >> > >> I want to flood the insurance agent with info if > >> possible. > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Charles > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >> > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shiftlink at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 17:58:49 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Thu Oct 26 12:52:17 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why are small Diesels are not sold? In-Reply-To: <20061026204335.81117.qmail@web50811.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20061026204335.81117.qmail@web50811.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4c758e6d0610261358s5bdeee6fp158ebe0efe8046fa@mail.gmail.com> VW is waiting until 2008. I think it was a matter of finding a cost effective method to meet the new requirements. On 10/26/06, Phil Carter wrote: > Thank you everyone. > > I guess it is companies are not wanting to meet new > standards in emmisions. It may also be to ULSD. I > think it is odd that small diesels are the ones > affected by the law the most... > > --- Peter Dowker wrote: > > > I don't believe it's a law per se, but rather the > > auto manufacturers > > not wanting to spend the time and money getting the > > new models (a new > > engine is considered a new model) EPA and DOT > > certified. > > > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Phil Carter wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have the law that is making it to > > costly > > > for them to bring in small diesel cars? Trucks > > don't > > > seem to be bothered, but I can't find a new diesel > > VW > > > or Audi Toyota or anything? I know a law was > > passed > > > but I can't find it. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Phil Carter > > > > > > --- Charles Hudacko wrote: > > > > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> I'm looking for any articles that will show that > > >> used Diesel cars are > > >> in demand, due to the bio Diesel following. > > >> > > >> I want to flood the insurance agent with info if > > >> possible. > > >> > > >> Thanks in advance, > > >> Charles > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > >> > > > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > >> > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From moldylocks at nc.rr.com Thu Oct 26 20:50:12 2006 From: moldylocks at nc.rr.com (Wayne Edmonds) Date: Thu Oct 26 15:45:39 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why are small Diesels are not sold? In-Reply-To: <4c758e6d0610261358s5bdeee6fp158ebe0efe8046fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c6f959$7b07c470$a3de4147@wedmondshome> Add to that that NY and California didn't allow diesels because of emissions. But that has, or is changing because of the ULSD and new technology. Car makers want to sell in all 50 states. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Cameron Conover Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:59 PM To: Phil Carter Cc: Charles Hudacko; Peter Dowker; Biofuels Group Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why are small Diesels are not sold? VW is waiting until 2008. I think it was a matter of finding a cost effective method to meet the new requirements. On 10/26/06, Phil Carter wrote: > Thank you everyone. > > I guess it is companies are not wanting to meet new > standards in emmisions. It may also be to ULSD. I > think it is odd that small diesels are the ones > affected by the law the most... > > --- Peter Dowker wrote: > > > I don't believe it's a law per se, but rather the > > auto manufacturers > > not wanting to spend the time and money getting the > > new models (a new > > engine is considered a new model) EPA and DOT > > certified. > > > > On Oct 25, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Phil Carter wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have the law that is making it to > > costly > > > for them to bring in small diesel cars? Trucks > > don't > > > seem to be bothered, but I can't find a new diesel > > VW > > > or Audi Toyota or anything? I know a law was > > passed > > > but I can't find it. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Phil Carter > > > > > > --- Charles Hudacko wrote: > > > > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> I'm looking for any articles that will show that > > >> used Diesel cars are > > >> in demand, due to the bio Diesel following. > > >> > > >> I want to flood the insurance agent with info if > > >> possible. > > >> > > >> Thanks in advance, > > >> Charles > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > >> > > > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > >> > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrightmw at wfu.edu Thu Oct 26 21:15:39 2006 From: wrightmw at wfu.edu (Marcus Wright) Date: Thu Oct 26 16:09:00 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why are small Diesels are not sold? Message-ID: <1161908139.45414fabed62e@squirrel.wfu.edu> Since we are talking about ULSD, can biodiesel be considered as an additive if used in ULSD? In other words at what % does biodiesel in a ULSD blend become a taxable fuel. Marcus Quoting Wayne Edmonds : > Add to that that NY and California didn't allow diesels because of > emissions. But that has, or is changing because of the ULSD and new > technology. Car makers want to sell in all 50 states. > From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Oct 26 21:25:10 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Oct 26 16:18:36 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why are small Diesels are not sold? In-Reply-To: <1161908139.45414fabed62e@squirrel.wfu.edu> References: <1161908139.45414fabed62e@squirrel.wfu.edu> Message-ID: There has been an interesting change recently in the ASTM specification, ASTM D 6751-06a for Biodiesel: The scope was expanded to allow biodiesel to be blended with petroleum diesel not meeting lubricity or cetane number (as well as sulfur and aromatics which were already allowed) prior to blending as long as the finished blends meet pertinent state and local standards (usually ASTM D 975). The other properties of the petrodiesel fraction must meet D 975 prior to blending. so technically I think you can have some diesel that may not meet ULSD, blend it with biodiesel, as long as the final blend meets D975 the diesel spec for more information see: http://nbb.grassroots.com/07Releases/ASTM/ On Oct 26, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Marcus Wright wrote: > Since we are talking about ULSD, can biodiesel be considered as an > additive if > used in ULSD? In other words at what % does biodiesel in a ULSD > blend become a > taxable fuel. > > Marcus > > > > > Quoting Wayne Edmonds : > >> Add to that that NY and California didn't allow diesels because of >> emissions. But that has, or is changing because of the ULSD and new >> technology. Car makers want to sell in all 50 states. >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From marc at theforestfoundation.org Mon Oct 30 10:50:55 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Mon Oct 30 06:52:05 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] A Stern Report Message-ID: Hi All: Suggested reading this Report, and advise calling your representatives. If this thorough analysis of the economic consequences can not convince our leadership to do something, suggest starting a revolution. Tea anyone? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6096084.stm7 This guy is no leftist economist. "global warming could shrink the global economy by 20%." (conservative) "Climate change represents the greatest and widest-ranging market failure ever seen." (and then there is ecological collapse of water, soil and biological systems not considered in the Report caused by poor resource management and overpopulation) "Evidence of global warming was "overwhelming" and its consequences "disastrous"." "We have the time and knowledge to act. But only if we act internationally, strongly and urgently." Marc From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 11:11:15 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Tue Oct 31 06:49:32 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why are small Diesels are not sold? In-Reply-To: References: <1161908139.45414fabed62e@squirrel.wfu.edu> Message-ID: <454775A3.8090908@gmail.com> However, I think the petrodiesel in question would have to be pretty close to the sulfur level spec for this to occur. ULSD is an order of magnitude lower in sulfur than LSD. If you were to blend enough biodiesel with LSD to bring sulfur down to ULSD levels, the blend would prob. not meet the ASTM D 975 spec for things like viscosity. I think the import of this change is that it allows the petro companies not to worry about finding another (possibly expensive) lubricity additive for their ULSD if they intend to sell it as, say, a B2 or B5 blend. -- Mark Rachel Burton wrote: > There has been an interesting change recently in the ASTM > specification, ASTM D 6751-06a for Biodiesel: > > The scope was expanded to allow biodiesel to be blended with > petroleum diesel not meeting lubricity or cetane number (as well as > sulfur and aromatics which were already allowed) prior to blending as > long as the finished blends meet pertinent state and local standards > (usually ASTM D 975). The other properties of the petrodiesel > fraction must meet D 975 prior to blending. > > so technically I think you can have some diesel that may not meet > ULSD, blend it with biodiesel, as long as the final blend meets D975 > the diesel spec > > for more information see: > http://nbb.grassroots.com/07Releases/ASTM/ > > > On Oct 26, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Marcus Wright wrote: > >> Since we are talking about ULSD, can biodiesel be considered as an >> additive if >> used in ULSD? In other words at what % does biodiesel in a ULSD >> blend become a >> taxable fuel. >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >> >> Quoting Wayne Edmonds : >> >>> Add to that that NY and California didn't allow diesels because of >>> emissions. But that has, or is changing because of the ULSD and new >>> technology. Car makers want to sell in all 50 states. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 11:27:32 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Tue Oct 31 07:05:43 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Methyl vs Ethyl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45477974.2010406@gmail.com> A question for the the chemistry nerds out there. According to the article below, this plant in Idaho will be using ethanol instead of methanol to make its biodiesel. Well, biodiesel is made up of fatty acid methyl esters (FAMEs). We chop the fatty acids from triglycerides (fats) off of the glycerol molecule, attach a methyl group, and voila - biodiesel. If you use ethanol instead of methanol, will you get the same product or will you end up with fatty acid ethyl esters instead of fatty acid methyl esters? If so, will the resulting biodiesel have different properties than if you had used methanol? BTW, I like most of the things that GSPI is planning, especially using its own biodiesel to power the plant and locating near the cogeneration plant, but considering the very moderate energy balance associated with domestic corn-based ethanol production, I suspect that using ethanol instead of methanol will have only a tiny impact on their overal CO2 balance. -- Mark Matthew Rudolf wrote: > San Diego, CA - Green Star Products, Inc. will build the first > biodiesel plant to emit almost zero net Global Warming Gases (GWG) > (CO2) from direct plant production of biodiesel. > > It is an established fact that the use of biodiesel fuel in diesel > engines will reduce CO2 Global Warming Gases (by 78% on a life cycle > basis). > > However, the biodiesel plants that produce biodiesel do emit GWG > because they require heating input usually from natural gas, which is > not renewable and emits CO2, and they also require electricity from > local utilities, which emit CO2, and finally the chemical processes > uses 10% methanol (wood alcohol) usually supplied from sources > outside the U.S. and made from natural gas, all of which add to > Global Warming and are not renewable. The GSPI Consortium considered > the elimination of all these factors in the design of their new > biodiesel plant; the first of several (see GSPI press release dated > August 9, 2006) is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho. This would make > the Idaho plant the first biodiesel plant in the world to operate at > close to zero net CO2 emissions. > > If this type of plant had been built in countries that have signed > the Kyoto Treaty, it would be eligible for significant additional CO2 > credits, which are now traded on world markets. > > Joseph P. LaStella, P.E., President of GSPI, stated, "In order to > accomplish this 'Zero Net CO2' concept, the following design changes > had to be made to the operations of the plant." > > First, our proprietary continuous flow waterless process requires > less than one-third the electrical energy to operate versus existing > batch plants. Therefore, we have decided to furnish our own electric > generators, which will run on our own biodiesel. > > The existing electrical utility connections will only serve as an > emergency backup service. > > Second, biodiesel plants require heat for processing. Our boilers > will run on biodiesel and will only serve as a backup heat source for > the plant. > > Our biodiesel facility is located within 200 yards of a co-generation > power plant. We are in negotiations to utilize some of the waste heat > from that plant. Steam power plants must condense their steam through > condensers before it can be reheated and returned to power the steam > turbine. GSPI can extract all the heat it needs right before the > power plant condensers. Therefore, not only does this utilize waste > heat, it also increases the efficiency of the power plant. > > Third, the entire biodiesel industry uses methanol in their process > to chemically convert feedstock soy oil, canola oil, etc. to > biodiesel fuel (which is a methyl ester). > > Almost all of the methanol used in the U.S. comes from South American > countries and of course is not renewable because it is produced from > natural gas. > > Methanol is used by the industry because it is less expensive and has > some advantages over using ethanol, which can also be used to make > biodiesel, except it is much more expensive. > > GSPI will use ethanol to process biodiesel and transform the Idaho > facility into a 100% renewable one in which 100% of the products are > made in the U.S. > > Part of the Idaho facilities will house an ethanol research facility, > which will produce ethanol from a variety of waste products (not > corn). These will include cellulose ethanol made from switch grass, > wood chips and a variety of waste stalks from local farmers. > > The research facility will only produce enough ethanol to supply the > biodiesel plant for its operations. However, it will be eligible for > significant government grants and U.S. Department of Energy low > interest loans to demonstrate the ability to produce ethanol from > agricultural products. > > The U.S. Government has launched a massive incentive program to > create an industry to produce ethanol from waste agricultural products. > > In June 2006, the U.S. Government announced a $160 million dollar > research program to investigate the development of ethanol production > from cellulose feedstock and as recently as August 14, 2006 the U.S. > Department of Energy launched a two billion dollar low cost loan > guarantee program for clean energy. The program includes cellulose > ethanol research. > > The GSPI Consortium has extensive experience in producing cellulose > ethanol from waste agricultural products and will submit proposals > for these extensive Government programs. The most recent patent > granted (to a GSPI Consortium partner) in conjunction with producing > ethanol and other downstream valuable chemical products from > agricultural waste was issued on June 21, 2006. > > Mr. LaStella further stated, "The Idaho facility will be the first of > its kind in many aspects. The facility itself is comprised of a > 90,000 sq. ft. facility with modern grain holding facilities. It has > a 1,000 feet railroad spur and also can unload and load railroad cars > and trucks from its elevator facilities." > > The facility is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho, which is an old > railroad town and has extensive existing railroad facilities. > > The Mayor of Glenns Ferry has welcomed our company and there is also > support for the plant at the state level. Much of the biodiesel plant > equipment has already been shipped to the site and we are awaiting > final approval to start construction. (See pictures at > GreenStarUSA.com.) > > The Glenns Ferry Facility will have a startup biodiesel production > capacity of 10 million gallons per year. However, most of the > equipment is designed for a quick expansion as state demand > increases. The facility's infrastructure can support 60 million > gallons per year capacity, not including the supporting ethanol > production. > > The Glenns Ferry Facility will be the first Biodiesel Plant in the > World to emit Near Zero net Global Warming Gases. > > SOURCE: Green Star Products, Inc. Original Post > > > Note: Original Post > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From forrest at truffula.net Tue Oct 31 08:42:33 2006 From: forrest at truffula.net (Forrest English) Date: Tue Oct 31 07:35:54 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Methyl vs Ethyl In-Reply-To: <45477974.2010406@gmail.com> References: <45477974.2010406@gmail.com> Message-ID: You would end up with ethyl esters instead of methyl esters. I'm less concerned about their stated work towards CO2 balance (though I think it's excellent), than I am about where they're sourcing their oil from. I'm hoping that since it's not a coastal port city, that they won't be using imported palm oil. On Oct 31, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Mark J. Ambrose wrote: > A question for the the chemistry nerds out there. According to the > article below, this plant in Idaho will be using ethanol instead of > methanol to make its biodiesel. > > Well, biodiesel is made up of fatty acid methyl esters (FAMEs). We > chop the fatty acids from triglycerides (fats) off of the glycerol > molecule, attach a methyl group, and voila - biodiesel. > > If you use ethanol instead of methanol, will you get the same > product or will you end up with fatty acid ethyl esters instead of > fatty acid methyl esters? If so, will the resulting biodiesel have > different properties than if you had used methanol? > > > BTW, I like most of the things that GSPI is planning, especially > using its own biodiesel to power the plant and locating near the > cogeneration plant, but considering the very moderate energy > balance associated with domestic corn-based ethanol production, I > suspect that using ethanol instead of methanol will have only a > tiny impact on their overal CO2 balance. > > -- Mark > > > Matthew Rudolf wrote: > >> San Diego, CA - Green Star Products, Inc. will build the first >> biodiesel plant to emit almost zero net Global Warming Gases (GWG) >> (CO2) from direct plant production of biodiesel. >> >> It is an established fact that the use of biodiesel fuel in >> diesel engines will reduce CO2 Global Warming Gases (by 78% on a >> life cycle basis). >> >> However, the biodiesel plants that produce biodiesel do emit GWG >> because they require heating input usually from natural gas, which >> is not renewable and emits CO2, and they also require electricity >> from local utilities, which emit CO2, and finally the chemical >> processes uses 10% methanol (wood alcohol) usually supplied from >> sources outside the U.S. and made from natural gas, all of which >> add to Global Warming and are not renewable. The GSPI Consortium >> considered the elimination of all these factors in the design of >> their new biodiesel plant; the first of several (see GSPI press >> release dated August 9, 2006) is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho. >> This would make the Idaho plant the first biodiesel plant in the >> world to operate at close to zero net CO2 emissions. >> >> If this type of plant had been built in countries that have >> signed the Kyoto Treaty, it would be eligible for significant >> additional CO2 credits, which are now traded on world markets. >> >> Joseph P. LaStella, P.E., President of GSPI, stated, "In order to >> accomplish this 'Zero Net CO2' concept, the following design >> changes had to be made to the operations of the plant." >> >> First, our proprietary continuous flow waterless process requires >> less than one-third the electrical energy to operate versus >> existing batch plants. Therefore, we have decided to furnish our >> own electric generators, which will run on our own biodiesel. >> >> The existing electrical utility connections will only serve as an >> emergency backup service. >> >> Second, biodiesel plants require heat for processing. Our boilers >> will run on biodiesel and will only serve as a backup heat source >> for the plant. >> >> Our biodiesel facility is located within 200 yards of a co- >> generation power plant. We are in negotiations to utilize some of >> the waste heat from that plant. Steam power plants must condense >> their steam through condensers before it can be reheated and >> returned to power the steam turbine. GSPI can extract all the >> heat it needs right before the power plant condensers. Therefore, >> not only does this utilize waste heat, it also increases the >> efficiency of the power plant. >> >> Third, the entire biodiesel industry uses methanol in their >> process to chemically convert feedstock soy oil, canola oil, etc. >> to biodiesel fuel (which is a methyl ester). >> >> Almost all of the methanol used in the U.S. comes from South >> American countries and of course is not renewable because it is >> produced from natural gas. >> >> Methanol is used by the industry because it is less expensive and >> has some advantages over using ethanol, which can also be used to >> make biodiesel, except it is much more expensive. >> >> GSPI will use ethanol to process biodiesel and transform the >> Idaho facility into a 100% renewable one in which 100% of the >> products are made in the U.S. >> >> Part of the Idaho facilities will house an ethanol research >> facility, which will produce ethanol from a variety of waste >> products (not corn). These will include cellulose ethanol made >> from switch grass, wood chips and a variety of waste stalks from >> local farmers. >> >> The research facility will only produce enough ethanol to supply >> the biodiesel plant for its operations. However, it will be >> eligible for significant government grants and U.S. Department of >> Energy low interest loans to demonstrate the ability to produce >> ethanol from agricultural products. >> >> The U.S. Government has launched a massive incentive program to >> create an industry to produce ethanol from waste agricultural >> products. >> >> In June 2006, the U.S. Government announced a $160 million dollar >> research program to investigate the development of ethanol >> production from cellulose feedstock and as recently as August 14, >> 2006 the U.S. Department of Energy launched a two billion dollar >> low cost loan guarantee program for clean energy. The program >> includes cellulose ethanol research. >> >> The GSPI Consortium has extensive experience in producing >> cellulose ethanol from waste agricultural products and will >> submit proposals for these extensive Government programs. The >> most recent patent granted (to a GSPI Consortium partner) in >> conjunction with producing ethanol and other downstream valuable >> chemical products from agricultural waste was issued on June 21, >> 2006. >> >> Mr. LaStella further stated, "The Idaho facility will be the first >> of its kind in many aspects. The facility itself is comprised of >> a 90,000 sq. ft. facility with modern grain holding facilities. >> It has a 1,000 feet railroad spur and also can unload and load >> railroad cars and trucks from its elevator facilities." >> >> The facility is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho, which is an old >> railroad town and has extensive existing railroad facilities. >> >> The Mayor of Glenns Ferry has welcomed our company and there is >> also support for the plant at the state level. Much of the >> biodiesel plant equipment has already been shipped to the site >> and we are awaiting final approval to start construction. (See >> pictures at GreenStarUSA.com.) >> >> The Glenns Ferry Facility will have a startup biodiesel >> production capacity of 10 million gallons per year. However, most >> of the equipment is designed for a quick expansion as state >> demand increases. The facility's infrastructure can support 60 >> million gallons per year capacity, not including the supporting >> ethanol production. >> >> The Glenns Ferry Facility will be the first Biodiesel Plant in >> the World to emit Near Zero net Global Warming Gases. >> >> SOURCE: Green Star Products, Inc. Original Post >> >> >> Note: Original Post >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group -- Forrest English From bob.barraza at earthlink.net Tue Oct 31 11:51:49 2006 From: bob.barraza at earthlink.net (bob.barraza@earthlink.net) Date: Tue Oct 31 07:44:50 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Methyl vs Ethyl Message-ID: <8714965.1162313510174.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> According to 'Biodiesel, Growing a New Energy Economy' by Greg Pahl, you are correct that either methanol or ethanol can be used to produce an alkyl ester. He states that methanol is more commonly used because it is cheaper and gives more predictable results. This group will be using a non-corn based ethanol from cellulose byproducts which presumably has a much more favorable energy conversion factor versus corn based ethanol. The original note states: > Part of the Idaho facilities will house an ethanol research facility, > which will produce ethanol from a variety of waste products (not > corn). These will include cellulose ethanol made from switch grass, > wood chips and a variety of waste stalks from local farmers I could not find anything in the book that speaks to the comparative performance of the fuels. The book references many examples of ethyl esters of different oils over the past century, hence my guess is that they would be essentially the same with perhaps a slight increase in the potential energy due to the extra carbon bond in the ethanol that is available for oxidation. Hope this helps, Bob -----Original Message----- >From: "Mark J. Ambrose" >Sent: Oct 31, 2006 11:27 AM >To: Matthew Rudolf >Cc: BIG List >Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Methyl vs Ethyl > >A question for the the chemistry nerds out there. According to the >article below, this plant in Idaho will be using ethanol instead of >methanol to make its biodiesel. > >Well, biodiesel is made up of fatty acid methyl esters (FAMEs). We chop >the fatty acids from triglycerides (fats) off of the glycerol molecule, >attach a methyl group, and voila - biodiesel. > >If you use ethanol instead of methanol, will you get the same product or >will you end up with fatty acid ethyl esters instead of fatty acid >methyl esters? If so, will the resulting biodiesel have different >properties than if you had used methanol? > > >BTW, I like most of the things that GSPI is planning, especially using >its own biodiesel to power the plant and locating near the cogeneration >plant, but considering the very moderate energy balance associated with >domestic corn-based ethanol production, I suspect that using ethanol >instead of methanol will have only a tiny impact on their overal CO2 >balance. > >-- Mark > > >Matthew Rudolf wrote: > >> San Diego, CA - Green Star Products, Inc. will build the first >> biodiesel plant to emit almost zero net Global Warming Gases (GWG) >> (CO2) from direct plant production of biodiesel. >> >> It is an established fact that the use of biodiesel fuel in diesel >> engines will reduce CO2 Global Warming Gases (by 78% on a life cycle >> basis). >> >> However, the biodiesel plants that produce biodiesel do emit GWG >> because they require heating input usually from natural gas, which is >> not renewable and emits CO2, and they also require electricity from >> local utilities, which emit CO2, and finally the chemical processes >> uses 10% methanol (wood alcohol) usually supplied from sources >> outside the U.S. and made from natural gas, all of which add to >> Global Warming and are not renewable. The GSPI Consortium considered >> the elimination of all these factors in the design of their new >> biodiesel plant; the first of several (see GSPI press release dated >> August 9, 2006) is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho. This would make >> the Idaho plant the first biodiesel plant in the world to operate at >> close to zero net CO2 emissions. >> >> If this type of plant had been built in countries that have signed >> the Kyoto Treaty, it would be eligible for significant additional CO2 >> credits, which are now traded on world markets. >> >> Joseph P. LaStella, P.E., President of GSPI, stated, "In order to >> accomplish this 'Zero Net CO2' concept, the following design changes >> had to be made to the operations of the plant." >> >> First, our proprietary continuous flow waterless process requires >> less than one-third the electrical energy to operate versus existing >> batch plants. Therefore, we have decided to furnish our own electric >> generators, which will run on our own biodiesel. >> >> The existing electrical utility connections will only serve as an >> emergency backup service. >> >> Second, biodiesel plants require heat for processing. Our boilers >> will run on biodiesel and will only serve as a backup heat source for >> the plant. >> >> Our biodiesel facility is located within 200 yards of a co-generation >> power plant. We are in negotiations to utilize some of the waste heat >> from that plant. Steam power plants must condense their steam through >> condensers before it can be reheated and returned to power the steam >> turbine. GSPI can extract all the heat it needs right before the >> power plant condensers. Therefore, not only does this utilize waste >> heat, it also increases the efficiency of the power plant. >> >> Third, the entire biodiesel industry uses methanol in their process >> to chemically convert feedstock soy oil, canola oil, etc. to >> biodiesel fuel (which is a methyl ester). >> >> Almost all of the methanol used in the U.S. comes from South American >> countries and of course is not renewable because it is produced from >> natural gas. >> >> Methanol is used by the industry because it is less expensive and has >> some advantages over using ethanol, which can also be used to make >> biodiesel, except it is much more expensive. >> >> GSPI will use ethanol to process biodiesel and transform the Idaho >> facility into a 100% renewable one in which 100% of the products are >> made in the U.S. >> >> Part of the Idaho facilities will house an ethanol research facility, >> which will produce ethanol from a variety of waste products (not >> corn). These will include cellulose ethanol made from switch grass, >> wood chips and a variety of waste stalks from local farmers. >> >> The research facility will only produce enough ethanol to supply the >> biodiesel plant for its operations. However, it will be eligible for >> significant government grants and U.S. Department of Energy low >> interest loans to demonstrate the ability to produce ethanol from >> agricultural products. >> >> The U.S. Government has launched a massive incentive program to >> create an industry to produce ethanol from waste agricultural products. >> >> In June 2006, the U.S. Government announced a $160 million dollar >> research program to investigate the development of ethanol production >> from cellulose feedstock and as recently as August 14, 2006 the U.S. >> Department of Energy launched a two billion dollar low cost loan >> guarantee program for clean energy. The program includes cellulose >> ethanol research. >> >> The GSPI Consortium has extensive experience in producing cellulose >> ethanol from waste agricultural products and will submit proposals >> for these extensive Government programs. The most recent patent >> granted (to a GSPI Consortium partner) in conjunction with producing >> ethanol and other downstream valuable chemical products from >> agricultural waste was issued on June 21, 2006. >> >> Mr. LaStella further stated, "The Idaho facility will be the first of >> its kind in many aspects. The facility itself is comprised of a >> 90,000 sq. ft. facility with modern grain holding facilities. It has >> a 1,000 feet railroad spur and also can unload and load railroad cars >> and trucks from its elevator facilities." >> >> The facility is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho, which is an old >> railroad town and has extensive existing railroad facilities. >> >> The Mayor of Glenns Ferry has welcomed our company and there is also >> support for the plant at the state level. Much of the biodiesel plant >> equipment has already been shipped to the site and we are awaiting >> final approval to start construction. (See pictures at >> GreenStarUSA.com.) >> >> The Glenns Ferry Facility will have a startup biodiesel production >> capacity of 10 million gallons per year. However, most of the >> equipment is designed for a quick expansion as state demand >> increases. The facility's infrastructure can support 60 million >> gallons per year capacity, not including the supporting ethanol >> production. >> >> The Glenns Ferry Facility will be the first Biodiesel Plant in the >> World to emit Near Zero net Global Warming Gases. >> >> SOURCE: Green Star Products, Inc. Original Post >> >> >> Note: Original Post >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From marc at theforestfoundation.org Tue Oct 31 17:37:27 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:38:28 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] New Biodiesel Tank Opening east of Wake Forest on 98 Message-ID: Hi All, Carolina Biodiesel is working on it's next tank just east of Wake Forest (Piedmont got us rev'ed up with their new Raleigh tank :)! ). If anyone is interested in using this new tank, which will be just off 98 about 5 miles near New Hope, let me know. Marc Dreyfors(MEM '90,NSOE Alumni Council '05, Board EENC '04) Manager, Carolina Biodiesel, LLC.-- A Cleaner Fuel for a Brighter Future! Co-Founder, Bull-City Biodiesel Cooperative, Inc. President, The Forest Foundation, Inc.-- a 501(c)(3) promoting Sustainable Livelihoods 607 Ellis Road, Bldg. 53-A1 Durham, NC 27703 (919)957-1500,1505 fax: (919)957-1502 info@theforestfoundation.org www.carolinabiofuels.org www.bullcitybiodiesel.org www.theforestfoundation.org From rverner at earthlink.net Tue Oct 31 18:01:21 2006 From: rverner at earthlink.net (Bob Verner) Date: Tue Oct 31 13:54:40 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] New Biodiesel Tank Opening east of Wake Forest on 98 References: Message-ID: <004601c6fd40$7c424550$6400a8c0@PCVRX550> Any Chances in the next two years or so of any tanks coming out to the Johnston county area, around the Clayton\Cleveland springs area? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Dreyfors-President" To: "Biofuels_Interest_Group@Lists. Emji. Net" ; "Members" Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] New Biodiesel Tank Opening east of Wake Forest on 98 > Hi All, > > Carolina Biodiesel is working on it's next tank just east of Wake Forest > (Piedmont got us rev'ed up with their new Raleigh tank :)! ). If anyone > is > interested in using this new tank, which will be just off 98 about 5 miles > near New Hope, let me know. > > Marc Dreyfors(MEM '90,NSOE Alumni Council '05, Board EENC '04) > Manager, > Carolina Biodiesel, LLC.-- A Cleaner Fuel for a Brighter Future! > Co-Founder, > Bull-City Biodiesel Cooperative, Inc. > President, > The Forest Foundation, Inc.-- a 501(c)(3) promoting Sustainable > Livelihoods > 607 Ellis Road, Bldg. 53-A1 > Durham, NC 27703 > (919)957-1500,1505 > fax: (919)957-1502 > info@theforestfoundation.org > www.carolinabiofuels.org > www.bullcitybiodiesel.org > www.theforestfoundation.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.18/506 - Release Date: > 10/30/2006 6:15 PM > From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com Tue Oct 31 15:48:23 2006 From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl mark) Date: Wed Nov 1 18:38:22 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] new list for high school biodiesel educators- biodiesel_in_schools yahoogroup Message-ID: <4547E0C7.10203@localb100.com> Hello, I seem to get a new email every month or so from schoolteachers or others involved in education, who are working on curriculum projects or setting up biodiesel homebrew demos through their schools (or other educational institutions such as museums or educational camps). They face unique challenges that are different than university level or adult homebrew education projects. I just set up an email list for this topic- educators are unlikely to stay with the regular biodiesel forums for very long as this isnt' their main focus, but a new Yahoogroup might be a good idea for networking all these projects and letting them share documentation. Anyone interested in joining and also in co-moderating? This would be for folks working with kids only, I think adult education and university projects have entirely different needs and I think schoolteachers would be more interested in a lower-volume list, so keeping the posts on topic seems important. Here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodiesel_in_schools/ Mark