From mattr at biofuels.coop Wed Nov 1 12:08:46 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Wed Nov 1 08:02:42 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Methyl vs Ethyl In-Reply-To: <45477974.2010406@gmail.com> References: <45477974.2010406@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Mark, Do you feel like you got your question answered? You are absolutely correct in that biodiesel made from ethanol would be an "Ethyl Ester" and like Methyl Esters falls under the more general category of mono alkyl esters of long chain fatty acids (ie. the definition of biodiesel). Properties of fuel do vary when using the same oil or fat but a different alcohol. For example, biodiesel made from ethanol tends to have a lower gel point (better cold weather performance) most of the time. Hope this helps, Matt On Oct 31, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Mark J. Ambrose wrote: > A question for the the chemistry nerds out there. According to the > article below, this plant in Idaho will be using ethanol instead of > methanol to make its biodiesel. > > Well, biodiesel is made up of fatty acid methyl esters (FAMEs). We > chop the fatty acids from triglycerides (fats) off of the glycerol > molecule, attach a methyl group, and voila - biodiesel. > > If you use ethanol instead of methanol, will you get the same > product or will you end up with fatty acid ethyl esters instead of > fatty acid methyl esters? If so, will the resulting biodiesel have > different properties than if you had used methanol? > > > BTW, I like most of the things that GSPI is planning, especially > using its own biodiesel to power the plant and locating near the > cogeneration plant, but considering the very moderate energy > balance associated with domestic corn-based ethanol production, I > suspect that using ethanol instead of methanol will have only a > tiny impact on their overal CO2 balance. > > -- Mark > > > Matthew Rudolf wrote: > >> San Diego, CA - Green Star Products, Inc. will build the first >> biodiesel plant to emit almost zero net Global Warming Gases (GWG) >> (CO2) from direct plant production of biodiesel. >> >> It is an established fact that the use of biodiesel fuel in >> diesel engines will reduce CO2 Global Warming Gases (by 78% on a >> life cycle basis). >> >> However, the biodiesel plants that produce biodiesel do emit GWG >> because they require heating input usually from natural gas, which >> is not renewable and emits CO2, and they also require electricity >> from local utilities, which emit CO2, and finally the chemical >> processes uses 10% methanol (wood alcohol) usually supplied from >> sources outside the U.S. and made from natural gas, all of which >> add to Global Warming and are not renewable. The GSPI Consortium >> considered the elimination of all these factors in the design of >> their new biodiesel plant; the first of several (see GSPI press >> release dated August 9, 2006) is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho. >> This would make the Idaho plant the first biodiesel plant in the >> world to operate at close to zero net CO2 emissions. >> >> If this type of plant had been built in countries that have >> signed the Kyoto Treaty, it would be eligible for significant >> additional CO2 credits, which are now traded on world markets. >> >> Joseph P. LaStella, P.E., President of GSPI, stated, "In order to >> accomplish this 'Zero Net CO2' concept, the following design >> changes had to be made to the operations of the plant." >> >> First, our proprietary continuous flow waterless process requires >> less than one-third the electrical energy to operate versus >> existing batch plants. Therefore, we have decided to furnish our >> own electric generators, which will run on our own biodiesel. >> >> The existing electrical utility connections will only serve as an >> emergency backup service. >> >> Second, biodiesel plants require heat for processing. Our boilers >> will run on biodiesel and will only serve as a backup heat source >> for the plant. >> >> Our biodiesel facility is located within 200 yards of a co- >> generation power plant. We are in negotiations to utilize some of >> the waste heat from that plant. Steam power plants must condense >> their steam through condensers before it can be reheated and >> returned to power the steam turbine. GSPI can extract all the >> heat it needs right before the power plant condensers. Therefore, >> not only does this utilize waste heat, it also increases the >> efficiency of the power plant. >> >> Third, the entire biodiesel industry uses methanol in their >> process to chemically convert feedstock soy oil, canola oil, etc. >> to biodiesel fuel (which is a methyl ester). >> >> Almost all of the methanol used in the U.S. comes from South >> American countries and of course is not renewable because it is >> produced from natural gas. >> >> Methanol is used by the industry because it is less expensive and >> has some advantages over using ethanol, which can also be used to >> make biodiesel, except it is much more expensive. >> >> GSPI will use ethanol to process biodiesel and transform the >> Idaho facility into a 100% renewable one in which 100% of the >> products are made in the U.S. >> >> Part of the Idaho facilities will house an ethanol research >> facility, which will produce ethanol from a variety of waste >> products (not corn). These will include cellulose ethanol made >> from switch grass, wood chips and a variety of waste stalks from >> local farmers. >> >> The research facility will only produce enough ethanol to supply >> the biodiesel plant for its operations. However, it will be >> eligible for significant government grants and U.S. Department of >> Energy low interest loans to demonstrate the ability to produce >> ethanol from agricultural products. >> >> The U.S. Government has launched a massive incentive program to >> create an industry to produce ethanol from waste agricultural >> products. >> >> In June 2006, the U.S. Government announced a $160 million dollar >> research program to investigate the development of ethanol >> production from cellulose feedstock and as recently as August 14, >> 2006 the U.S. Department of Energy launched a two billion dollar >> low cost loan guarantee program for clean energy. The program >> includes cellulose ethanol research. >> >> The GSPI Consortium has extensive experience in producing >> cellulose ethanol from waste agricultural products and will >> submit proposals for these extensive Government programs. The >> most recent patent granted (to a GSPI Consortium partner) in >> conjunction with producing ethanol and other downstream valuable >> chemical products from agricultural waste was issued on June 21, >> 2006. >> >> Mr. LaStella further stated, "The Idaho facility will be the first >> of its kind in many aspects. The facility itself is comprised of >> a 90,000 sq. ft. facility with modern grain holding facilities. >> It has a 1,000 feet railroad spur and also can unload and load >> railroad cars and trucks from its elevator facilities." >> >> The facility is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho, which is an old >> railroad town and has extensive existing railroad facilities. >> >> The Mayor of Glenns Ferry has welcomed our company and there is >> also support for the plant at the state level. Much of the >> biodiesel plant equipment has already been shipped to the site >> and we are awaiting final approval to start construction. (See >> pictures at GreenStarUSA.com.) >> >> The Glenns Ferry Facility will have a startup biodiesel >> production capacity of 10 million gallons per year. However, most >> of the equipment is designed for a quick expansion as state >> demand increases. The facility's infrastructure can support 60 >> million gallons per year capacity, not including the supporting >> ethanol production. >> >> The Glenns Ferry Facility will be the first Biodiesel Plant in >> the World to emit Near Zero net Global Warming Gases. >> >> SOURCE: Green Star Products, Inc. Original Post >> >> >> Note: Original Post >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From mattr at biofuels.coop Wed Nov 1 13:41:46 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Wed Nov 1 09:35:02 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Methyl vs Ethyl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <087EDEFB-0786-48C8-9E66-E971D4BB0BAB@biofuels.coop> I was referring to data reported in Martin Mittelbach's book: Biodiesel, The Comprehensive Handbook (2004). It seems that whether it improves cold weather performance depends on the oil or fat that you use. Looking at the charts in the appendix of his book now, it seems using ethanol to produce biodiesel lowers cloud point slightly with rapeseed, and the pour point is lower with ethyl esters from Sunflower oil and soybean oil. That said, the gain is very slight (usu. 2-5oC). On Nov 1, 2006, at 1:12 PM, Link Shumaker wrote: > Matt, > > Hi, I am a fellow biodiesel enthusiast working on a thesis in > school. You typed: > > --"biodiesel made from ethanol tends to have a lower gel point > (better > cold weather performance) most of the time" > > Do you have the reference for that quote as it will help me in my > endeavors? > > Any help you can lend would be appreciated. > Keep up the good work! > > Link > >> From: Matthew Rudolf >> To: Mark J.Ambrose >> CC: BIG List >> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Methyl vs Ethyl >> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:08:46 -0500 >> >> Hey Mark, >> Do you feel like you got your question answered? >> >> You are absolutely correct in that biodiesel made from ethanol >> would be an "Ethyl Ester" and like Methyl Esters falls under the >> more general category of mono alkyl esters of long chain fatty >> acids (ie. the definition of biodiesel). Properties of fuel do >> vary when using the same oil or fat but a different alcohol. For >> example, biodiesel made from ethanol tends to have a lower gel >> point (better cold weather performance) most of the time. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Matt >> >> On Oct 31, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Mark J. Ambrose wrote: >> >>> A question for the the chemistry nerds out there. According to >>> the article below, this plant in Idaho will be using ethanol >>> instead of methanol to make its biodiesel. >>> >>> Well, biodiesel is made up of fatty acid methyl esters (FAMEs). >>> We chop the fatty acids from triglycerides (fats) off of the >>> glycerol molecule, attach a methyl group, and voila - biodiesel. >>> >>> If you use ethanol instead of methanol, will you get the same >>> product or will you end up with fatty acid ethyl esters instead >>> of fatty acid methyl esters? If so, will the resulting >>> biodiesel have different properties than if you had used methanol? >>> >>> >>> BTW, I like most of the things that GSPI is planning, especially >>> using its own biodiesel to power the plant and locating near the >>> cogeneration plant, but considering the very moderate energy >>> balance associated with domestic corn-based ethanol production, >>> I suspect that using ethanol instead of methanol will have only >>> a tiny impact on their overal CO2 balance. >>> >>> -- Mark >>> >>> >>> Matthew Rudolf wrote: >>> >>>> San Diego, CA - Green Star Products, Inc. will build the first >>>> biodiesel plant to emit almost zero net Global Warming Gases >>>> (GWG) (CO2) from direct plant production of biodiesel. >>>> >>>> It is an established fact that the use of biodiesel fuel in >>>> diesel engines will reduce CO2 Global Warming Gases (by 78% on >>>> a life cycle basis). >>>> >>>> However, the biodiesel plants that produce biodiesel do emit >>>> GWG because they require heating input usually from natural >>>> gas, which is not renewable and emits CO2, and they also >>>> require electricity from local utilities, which emit CO2, and >>>> finally the chemical processes uses 10% methanol (wood >>>> alcohol) usually supplied from sources outside the U.S. and >>>> made from natural gas, all of which add to Global Warming and >>>> are not renewable. The GSPI Consortium considered the >>>> elimination of all these factors in the design of their new >>>> biodiesel plant; the first of several (see GSPI press release >>>> dated August 9, 2006) is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho. This >>>> would make the Idaho plant the first biodiesel plant in the >>>> world to operate at close to zero net CO2 emissions. >>>> >>>> If this type of plant had been built in countries that have >>>> signed the Kyoto Treaty, it would be eligible for significant >>>> additional CO2 credits, which are now traded on world markets. >>>> >>>> Joseph P. LaStella, P.E., President of GSPI, stated, "In order >>>> to accomplish this 'Zero Net CO2' concept, the following >>>> design changes had to be made to the operations of the plant." >>>> >>>> First, our proprietary continuous flow waterless process >>>> requires less than one-third the electrical energy to operate >>>> versus existing batch plants. Therefore, we have decided to >>>> furnish our own electric generators, which will run on our own >>>> biodiesel. >>>> >>>> The existing electrical utility connections will only serve as >>>> an emergency backup service. >>>> >>>> Second, biodiesel plants require heat for processing. Our >>>> boilers will run on biodiesel and will only serve as a backup >>>> heat source for the plant. >>>> >>>> Our biodiesel facility is located within 200 yards of a co- >>>> generation power plant. We are in negotiations to utilize some >>>> of the waste heat from that plant. Steam power plants must >>>> condense their steam through condensers before it can be >>>> reheated and returned to power the steam turbine. GSPI can >>>> extract all the heat it needs right before the power plant >>>> condensers. Therefore, not only does this utilize waste heat, >>>> it also increases the efficiency of the power plant. >>>> >>>> Third, the entire biodiesel industry uses methanol in their >>>> process to chemically convert feedstock soy oil, canola oil, >>>> etc. to biodiesel fuel (which is a methyl ester). >>>> >>>> Almost all of the methanol used in the U.S. comes from South >>>> American countries and of course is not renewable because it >>>> is produced from natural gas. >>>> >>>> Methanol is used by the industry because it is less expensive >>>> and has some advantages over using ethanol, which can also be >>>> used to make biodiesel, except it is much more expensive. >>>> >>>> GSPI will use ethanol to process biodiesel and transform the >>>> Idaho facility into a 100% renewable one in which 100% of the >>>> products are made in the U.S. >>>> >>>> Part of the Idaho facilities will house an ethanol research >>>> facility, which will produce ethanol from a variety of waste >>>> products (not corn). These will include cellulose ethanol made >>>> from switch grass, wood chips and a variety of waste stalks >>>> from local farmers. >>>> >>>> The research facility will only produce enough ethanol to >>>> supply the biodiesel plant for its operations. However, it >>>> will be eligible for significant government grants and U.S. >>>> Department of Energy low interest loans to demonstrate the >>>> ability to produce ethanol from agricultural products. >>>> >>>> The U.S. Government has launched a massive incentive program >>>> to create an industry to produce ethanol from waste >>>> agricultural products. >>>> >>>> In June 2006, the U.S. Government announced a $160 million >>>> dollar research program to investigate the development of >>>> ethanol production from cellulose feedstock and as recently as >>>> August 14, 2006 the U.S. Department of Energy launched a two >>>> billion dollar low cost loan guarantee program for clean >>>> energy. The program includes cellulose ethanol research. >>>> >>>> The GSPI Consortium has extensive experience in producing >>>> cellulose ethanol from waste agricultural products and will >>>> submit proposals for these extensive Government programs. The >>>> most recent patent granted (to a GSPI Consortium partner) in >>>> conjunction with producing ethanol and other downstream >>>> valuable chemical products from agricultural waste was issued >>>> on June 21, 2006. >>>> >>>> Mr. LaStella further stated, "The Idaho facility will be the >>>> first of its kind in many aspects. The facility itself is >>>> comprised of a 90,000 sq. ft. facility with modern grain >>>> holding facilities. It has a 1,000 feet railroad spur and also >>>> can unload and load railroad cars and trucks from its elevator >>>> facilities." >>>> >>>> The facility is located in Glenns Ferry, Idaho, which is an >>>> old railroad town and has extensive existing railroad facilities. >>>> >>>> The Mayor of Glenns Ferry has welcomed our company and there is >>>> also support for the plant at the state level. Much of the >>>> biodiesel plant equipment has already been shipped to the site >>>> and we are awaiting final approval to start construction. (See >>>> pictures at GreenStarUSA.com.) >>>> >>>> The Glenns Ferry Facility will have a startup biodiesel >>>> production capacity of 10 million gallons per year. However, >>>> most of the equipment is designed for a quick expansion as >>>> state demand increases. The facility's infrastructure can >>>> support 60 million gallons per year capacity, not including >>>> the supporting ethanol production. >>>> >>>> The Glenns Ferry Facility will be the first Biodiesel Plant in >>>> the World to emit Near Zero net Global Warming Gases. >>>> >>>> SOURCE: Green Star Products, Inc. Original Post >>>> >>>> >>>> Note: Original Post >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >> >> Matthew Rudolf >> Piedmont Biofuels >> www.biofuels.coop >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live > Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/? > href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/ > friends.aspx&mkt=en-us Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From marc at theforestfoundation.org Wed Nov 1 19:26:45 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Wed Nov 1 15:27:49 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI Wagon and 300D for sale Message-ID: Hi Everyone, We have two vehicles for sale on Craigs List. Here are the postings: http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/228854482.html http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/226686255.html Let me know if you are intersted in seeing them, want more pictures or have any questions. These cars are fundraisers for our non-profit and its "green energy" initiatives: Carolina Biodiesel, NCGreenCar.com and a bunch of other projects. These are good cars and well loved. We are doing our best to find them, fix them up and get them running on biofuel. Praise the Lard! Marc Dreyfors(MEM '90,NSOE Alumni Council '05, Board EENC '04) Manager, Carolina Biodiesel, LLC.-- A Cleaner Fuel for a Brighter Future! Co-Founder, Bull-City Biodiesel Cooperative, Inc. President, The Forest Foundation, Inc.-- a 501(c)(3) promoting Sustainable Livelihoods 607 Ellis Road, Bldg. 53-A1 Durham, NC 27703 (919)957-1500,1505 fax: (919)957-1502 info@theforestfoundation.org www.carolinabiofuels.org www.bullcitybiodiesel.org www.theforestfoundation.org From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Nov 1 22:59:39 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Nov 1 18:52:32 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] EPA Unveils Voluntary Program Encouraging Biodiesel Use Message-ID: US Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Stephen Johnson announced last Thursday a voluntary initiative that encourages the nation's businesses to try out ethanol and biodiesel. The SmartWay Grow and Go program aims for 25% of businesses already taking part in an EPA emissions reduction program to be using renewable fuels by 2012. By 2020, the goal is for 50% of them to have made the switch. The companies initially enlisted in the new program are involved with the EPA-sponsored SmartWay Transport Partnership, which aims for the freight industry to voluntarily adjust their shipping operations to reduce emissions. Currently, 481 companies, including General Motors and Coca-Cola Enterprises, are part of the SmartWay Transport initiative. Contact: US Environmental Protection Agency, www.epa.gov. From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com Wed Nov 1 22:39:04 2006 From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl mark) Date: Wed Nov 1 21:32:14 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel homebrewing and small farm-scale biodiesel class, Nov 25-26 Message-ID: <45499288.7020700@localb100.com> I'm teaching a biodiesel class in Pittsboro NC on November 25-26, with Matt Rudolf of Piedmont Biofuels, with a slightly different format than I usually follow in my homebrewing classes. This class will include a tour of the new commercial production facility at Piedmont Biofuels Industrial, as well as their smaller homebrew co-op facility. It'll include more of a discussion of farm-scale biodiesel production as well as homebrewing- systems around 250 gallons per batch. We'll also discuss water treatment options, solar heating of biodiesel process, practice acid-base process for handling poor quality oils, discuss oil dewatering in depth, and more. Because we were stupid enough to schedule it on Thanksgiving Weekend (I have classes on either side of that weekend in the Southeast), there will be a really low student-teacher ratio and it'll be a better opportunity than usual to get all your questions answered without competing with 30 other students. We will not be building homebrewing equipment in this class (as tradeoff for the extra material we're covering instead). For those interested in building equipment, there is a separate equipment-only class near Clemson, SC, on November 19th, if you're able to make the drive. Class runs 10-4 both days, and cost is $120. To register (or if you're interested in the South Carolina classes the previous weekend instead), please see: www.girlmark.com/tour From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Nov 3 10:11:00 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Nov 3 06:05:01 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Important Conference and Energy Summit References: <20061102195002.86989.qmail@web55905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7058E051-6976-4E20-8417-BC8A8F5090F7@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > > > 2006 Sustainable Energy Conference ? ?Energizing Communities? > November 4, 2006 from 9:00am to 2:45pm > At the Carraway Conference Center in Asheboro, NC > > FEATURING: > Concurrent NCSEA and NC Sustainable Communities? Annual Meetings > Technical, community and business workshops conducted by Conergy, > NC Center for Non-Profits and our university energy centers > Lunch and networking opportunities provided > > > Join us for NCSEA?s 2006 Sustainable Energy Conference where we > will focus on energizing North Carolina?s communities and their > leaders in promoting a sustainable energy future. This year?s > conference will again be in conjunction with the NC Sustainable > Communities? annual meeting and co-hosted with North Carolina Solar > Center . We welcome NCSEA and NC Sustainable Community members and > the public to learn more about sustainable energy in our state and > communities, and how we can work better together. > > From our communities to the state house, we are all making North > Carolina?s generation and use of energy more sustainable. You can: > Learn from Conergy, one of the world?s largest energy companies, on > how to grow your renewable energy business > Hear about technical learning opportunities from our university > energy centers > Learn from the NC Center for Non-Profits how to start your own > community-oriented sustainable energy non-profit that NCSEA can > partner with > Attend NCSEA?s annual meeting to learn about our education/ > outreach, public policy and economic development programs and > opportunities > > To help further our mission, NCSEA strives to encourage communities > to achieve their goals and objectives through events such as the NC > Green Building and Solar Tour and our annual sustainable energy > conference. Together, we can influence important issues at the > local and state levels to realize the economic, environmental and > social benefits of a more sustainable energy future for North > Carolina. The stronger and clearer our understanding becomes, the > clearer our message will be to decision makers and elected > officials that sustainable energy is here, and we can benefit from > it starting today. > > OUR WEBSITE www.ncsustainableenergy.org HAS BEEN UPDATED TO > INCLUDE EVENT INFORMATION AND AGENDA > For more information and to RSVP, call (919) 832-7601 or e-mail > ncsea@mindspring.com > > Location of Caraway Conference Center: > 4756 Caraway Mountain Rd. > Sophia, NC 27350 > **just 7 miles outside of Asheboro!!! > > McCayne Miller > NCSEA > 919-832-7601 > DIRECTIONS > Caraway Conference Center - 4756 Caraway Mountain Road - Sophia, NC > 27350 > (Caraway is located in Randolph County, North Carolina. > We are 7 miles west of Asheboro in the community of Sophia) > FROM RALEIGH: 1.5 Hours > - Take 64 West to Asheboro > - Take Interstate 73 North toward Greensboro > (also called 220 bypass North, Not 220 business North). > - Get in the left lane as the exit will be a left exit. > - Proceed 1 ? miles and take the first exit, "Asheboro Hwy 42". > - At the end of the exit ramp, turn Left onto Old Lexington Rd. > - Proceed 5 miles, bear Rt at speedway sign onto Caraway Mtn Rd. > - Follow Caraway Mountain Road for 3 miles and > - The Caraway entrance will be on your Right. > FROM ASHEVILLE: 3.25 Hours > -Take 1-40 E to the 170 Exit towards US-601/Yadkinville Rd > -Turn left onto US-601/US-64 > -Turn left to follow US-601/US-64 E towards Salisbury St. > -Merge onto I-85 BL N / US-29 N / US-64 E / US-70 E. > -Merge onto US-64 E toward ASHEBORO. > -Turn left onto JARVIS MILLER RD > -Turn right to stay on JARVIS MILLER RD. > -Turn left onto MOUNTAIN VIEW CHURCH RD / NC-1413. > -Turn left onto CARAWAY MOUNTAIN RD. > > FROM BOONE: 2.5 Hours > -Take US-421 South > - US-421 BYP S becomes US-421 S > -Merge onto I-40 E via EXIT 238 toward GREENSBORO. > -Merge onto US-311 S via EXIT 196 toward HIGH POINT. > -Merge onto I-85 BL S / US-311 S / US-29 S / US-70 W via EXIT 19A. > -Take the exit toward US-311 S / ASHEBORO > -Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto NW CLOVERLEAF PL / US-311. > -Turn RIGHT onto S MAIN ST / US-311. Continue to follow US-311. > -Turn RIGHT onto TOM HILL RD. > -Turn LEFT onto ARCHDALE RD / NC-1004. Continue to follow NC-1004. > -End at 4756 Caraway Mountain Rd > > FROM CHARLOTTE/LEXINGTON: 1.5 Hours > - From I-85 North, take Exit 96 (Hwy 64 East, Zoo) toward Asheboro. > - Go 17 miles to flashing caution light. > - Turn Left onto Spenser Meadow Rd (Amity Hills Church on left). > - Drive 2 miles to stop sign. > - Turn Right onto Old Lexington Rd > - Drive a tenth of a mile to Green Farm Rd. > - Turn Left onto Green Farm Rd > - Drive 2 miles to flashing light at the intersection of Caraway > Mtn Rd. > - Turn Left onto Caraway Mountain Road and drive 2 miles. > - The Caraway entrance is on the Right. > FROM GREENSBORO: 45 Min. > - From I-40 or I-85, take 220 South > - Take Hwy 42 Exit at Asheboro > - Tturn Right (West) onto Old Lexington Rd. > - Proceed 5 miles, bear Right at speedway sign onto Caraway Mtn Rd. > - Follow Caraway Mountain Rd for 3 miles. > - The Caraway entrance will be on your Right. > > > > > > From mattr at biofuels.coop Fri Nov 3 13:09:41 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Fri Nov 3 09:02:28 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Piedmont Biofuels featured on UNC TV documentary Message-ID: Piedmont Biofuels co-founders Rachel Burton and Lyle Estill are featured as part of a new documentary titled Making Connections With Dr. David Jones which will air on November 15, at 9 PM followed by a panel discussion with Lyle as an audience member at 10pm. For more information go to: www.unctv.org/makingconnections Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From mattr at biofuels.coop Fri Nov 3 13:24:00 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Fri Nov 3 09:16:44 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Raleigh pump open for business Message-ID: <3DE03F6D-E255-4FA0-A365-82776905C879@biofuels.coop> Have you been banging down our doors? Over the past year many folks have called and nagged and reminded and re-reminded us that the people of our fair state need a Raleigh option for getting biodiesel. We are happy to announce then that Piedmont Biofuels has now opened a B100 pump, our finest in fact, in the Raleigh area. The Raleigh pump is a card swipe system with unlimited user capacity, which tracks your fuel consumption over the month, and bills you at the end of the month. We even have a very fancy-shmancy graphical interface that allows us to visually see the Raleigh tank level from the safety of our control room in little Pittsboro. All this technology is fine and dandy, and we do love gadgets, but we also do this work in the great hope of getting our members that live or work in the Raleigh area to start using the new pump, and also to get the word out to Raleigh-based friends and relatives of our members. So please, if you know someone that needs to know that there is now a place to get B100 biodiesel in Raleigh, please pass the word along and have them give us a call. More info is located at: http://www.biofuels.coop/tanks/raleigh.php Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From mattr at biofuels.coop Mon Nov 6 12:22:51 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Mon Nov 6 08:19:17 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Brazil and India join Senegal for biofuel production Message-ID: Brazil and India join Senegal for biofuel production Wagdy Sawahel 1 November 2006 Source: SciDev.Net In a bid to decrease its dependence on oil and produce environmentally-friendly energy, Senegal will cooperate with Brazil and India to launch a biofuel production programme by 2007. Through public-private partnerships, Brazil will provide scientific and technological know-how, Indian entrepeneurs will supply the capital, and Senegal will offer land and labour. Biofuels, such as bioethanol, biodiesel and biogas, are renewable fuels generally produced from agricultural crops or organic matter. The project is part of a plan by the Senegalese government to regenerate its rural economy through investment in biofuels to eventually replace the country's daily consumption of 33,000 oil barrels. It was announced on 27 October by Farba Senghor, Senegal's minister of agriculture, rural hydraulics and food security in a meeting with a delegation of Brazilian biofuel experts in Dakar, Senegal. "The issues are enormous for our country, as biofuel will help us diversify our energy sources and reduce the increasing oil bill, while protecting the environment from pollution," Senghor said to AngolaPress. "Senegal has considerable advantages to develop the biofuel sector, because the country presents good climatic and geological conditions necessary for the increase in plants used as raw materials for ethanol or diethyl ether production," Jos? Neiva Santos, head of the Brazilian delegation, said. In an initial pilot project to reduce Senegal's oil imports by 10 per cent, jatropha plants will be grown on 4,000 hectares of land in Touba. The extracted oil will be transformed into biodiesel in production units to be set up in Khelcom, some 100 km from Dakar. The pilot project also aims to provide a knowledge hub from which other plantations could develop, according to Biopact, an organisation working for cooperation in biofuel and bioenergy between Europe and Africa. Senghor indicated that Senegal will carry out an experiment of growing castor oil plants, sunflowers or jatropha over an area of 50,000 hectares in Kolda and Tambacounda, in southern and eastern Senegal. This will help determine costs and the optimal conditions for biofuel production ? examining the best way to extract the oil, as well as finding out what crop produces better biofuel at minimum cost. News of the biofuel investment programme, which is part of a government plan called 'retour vers l'agriculture' ('back to agriculture'), comes ahead of the green power energy conference BiofuelsMarketsAfrica scheduled for 30 November in Cape Town, South Africa. From skepticbill at mac.com Mon Nov 6 17:02:38 2006 From: skepticbill at mac.com (Bill O'Luanaigh (.mac)) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:07:51 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel Injectors and bio - 1998 E300 Turbodiesel In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20060720093604.01ce5f90@pop.netzero.net> Message-ID: Hey everyone, So I have been happily running mostly B100 and suddenly I am having what may be problems with my injectors. I seem to recall a discussion a while back about the viscosity differences between bio and dino and how bio can sometimes cause problems. There is pooling in the wells around the injectors and bio is running down the side of the block. At first I thought I had a valve cover gasket leak but that is fine. I took the car to Tioga and he replaced all of the lines between the injectors and I'm hoping this fixes the problem, it has already diminished the smell of cooking bio but it's not completely gone. Has anyone else had this problem? Are there different injectors that work better with bio on this engine? Thoughts/comments welcome. Thanks in advance! -Bill O'Luanaigh- From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 18:17:29 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:57:47 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Make Lyle & Tami Pay!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454FC289.1030600@gmail.com> Attention Triangle area, public radio listening biodieselers. It is Fall Fund Drive time at WUNC radio, and I just heard (6 pm Mon ) that there is currently a fund-raising challenge going on. If/when they hit their goal, Peidmont Biofuels' own Lyle and Tami will be making a significant contribution to WUNC. So if you listen to the radio, make your pledge now so that Lyle and Tami will get to pay up. From panthercat at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 10:10:15 2006 From: panthercat at gmail.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Tue Nov 7 06:02:49 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel Injectors and bio - 1998 E300 Turbodiesel In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20060720093604.01ce5f90@pop.netzero.net> Message-ID: <4b6e46c90611070710r6530bfcendbed6facee54ba04@mail.gmail.com> sJust as a refresher for everyone, here is the great email from Richard that I have saved since it is just a good reference. Sorry you are having troubles with your injectors, it is the one thing that keeps me from running B100 in my VW 2005 PD-TDI: -Carlos ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: G.T. Overholt Date: Oct 26, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines To: Richard Carpenter Photography , biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Cc: Brad Lessler Dear Richard, Thank you very much for doing the research on a question my business partner and I have been wondering about for some time now. About a year ago, we dove in to biodiesel (to fulfill the dream of as near total sustainability as we could muster in our lives) and built a small commercial grade biodiesel processing operation. We also bought two new Ford F250 trucks. Those trucks are rather pricey and we really don't want to mess up their engines. We called Navistar, the manufacturer of the Ford Powerstroke diesel engine and asked them what might go wrong in their engines running biodiesel. They speculated that the only problem they foresaw was the injectors as they were high tech and designed for petrodiesel with precise characteristics and additives. We have been running blends haphazardly mixed together in the b80 range all summer. We have noticed that the trucks start up differently on B80. Rather than burst into life with a roar they sort of gently coax themselves into life. The valves seem to be quieter which we've ascribed to the greater lubridicity of biodiesel. It is nice to know about the viscosity and injector pressures. One idea they gave me to monitor potential degradation of injector systems was to take a baseline emissions test on the vehicle right now, while they are still new and then another in six months. If the emissions change, then you know something is probably going on with the injectors. We have not done that yet, but now that I'm giving advice to others I think I'll take my own and get it done. This winter, we will continue to run B80 in temperatures above 32 degrees. Below that we will go to B50 or less if the trucks are hard to start. One more thing. We go to great lengths to produce the purest biodiesel we can. To do that we get the highest quality feedstock we can, heat our processor during reaction and wash the hell out of our fuel - often as many as 4-6 washings. We filter it twice before putting it ino our trucks and we add an algecide to our storage tank. We would be surprised if other home brewers went to these lengths and we are not surprised at all to hear the stories of poor starting, clogged filters etc. in their TDI's. When posting personal stories to the biodiesel blog, it would be helpful to know what processes bloggers have used to purify their biodiesel. Seems to me a broad spectrum of diesel engine performance might occur in the same engine based on purity. Trip Overholt Sustainable Living ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Carpenter Photography" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines Beware... long post follows concerning use of biodiesel in high percent blends in modern diesel engines: After exchanging emails with a number of individuals on this list and spending far too long reading hundreds of postings in many different diesel forums I've gleaned some knowledge that I'd like to share. So with suitable skepticism on your part, here it goes: I've been running biodiesel blends from B20 up to B90 in my 2005 Ford F250 Powerstroke 6.0 engine for most of the summer (over 6,500 miles on BD in various blends, hundreds on B90). I recently purchased a 2006 Jetta with the PD-TDI motor for my family. I was about to begin using a B50 blend in the new Jetta when I asked a question last week on the list concerning polymerization in high psi injector systems. It turns out that polymerization seems to be a typical "web tale" that no one can substantiate but failures of sensors and pump motors in the new PD-TDI do seem to occur, over time, when running high blends of BD. I wanted to find out why because I wanted to eventually get to B100 in both my vehicles. In some cases it seemed that the failure was simply a case of bad biodiesel (emulsified, high water content, etc.) But in other cases the biodiesel seemed to be quality stuff. Hopefully what I've gleaned will help someone: You probably have heard of the ASTM 6571 specification for biodiesel. The ASTM D-6571 spec for biodiesel is a specification for B100 _blended_ with petrodiesel up to B20 (20%). Simply having ASTM spec'd fuel does not mean it's suitable as a NEAT (pure) fuel source. Modern diesel engines are designed for ASTM D-975 which is the specification for petrodiesel. Now biodiesel will of course combust in any compression ignition engine but it's physical characteristics differ from the 975 specification that modern diesel engines ARE DESIGNED to burn. One of the most notable physical differences between petrodiesel and biodiesel is viscosity. D-975 specifies a viscosity between 1.9 - 4.1. The 6751 spec specifies 4.1 - 6.0 . That is quite a difference. New ULS diesel comes in at the low end of the 975 spec (1.9). While most biodiesel comes in between 4.2 - 5.0 (depending on feedstock source). You can see that if your trying to inject biodiesel in near pure form you are trying to compress a liquid that is near 2.5x as viscous as what the injection system was designed for. In older motors with lower injection pressures, designed for dirtier high sulfur fuel this doesn't seem to be an issue but in modern diesels with very high injection pressures and microscopic injector nozzle openings it becomes important. The mechanical forces on the injector and pump are multiplied. Apparently as fuel approaches it's cloud point the viscosity numbers climb much higher (I haven't seen any hard numbers but it's logical). It's not just a matter of worrying that your fuel filter gets clogged with wax crystals., Far before the cloud point the injector pump may be exposed to pressures that are triple it's design spec due to increased viscosity. That will result in the extra load being transmitted to the pump armature or cam bearing lobe (in the case of the PD-TDI). Physical internal pressures on the injector itself will go up dramatically as well. Keep in mind all of this is arm chair engineering but it's also logical. My point in all this is that we need to be aware that modern diesel engines are designed for different physical characteristics of the fuel than biodiesel possesses, especially in regard to viscosity and that we need to be careful with our blends. The vehicle manufacturers may be testing their engines for compatibility with biodiesel but the engines that are being sold in new cars and trucks today are not "designed" for biodiesel. Blends up to B5 are obviously safe because the conservative industry is supporting it. I'm not aware of any official support from any manufacturer for B20 but it's probably on it's way. Above a B20 blend use common sense. If you're running a PD-TDI with extremely high psi unit injectors and microscopic injector nozzle holes don't expect it to work forever at a limit for which it wasn't designed. Anecdotal information will be helpful in making up your mind... so and so has run their xyz engine for 20,000 miles on B100 so I can to... who knows what wear is taking place in that motor. VW began selling the PD (pump dusse) TDI motor in the US in 2004 vehicles. The high pressure Ford Powerstroke 6.0 came out in 2003. Older VW TDI engines had injector pressures of around 16,000psi rather than 26,000psi, similar specs between old versus new Powerstroke engines. Personally I feel that the HEUI designs like the Powerstroke will be more forgiving because the injector pump is a bay of high pressure oil where the pressure is transmitted to each injector through a 7-1 ratio plunger. Any pressure overload only occurs inside the injector body itself, and in the case of the PS 6.0 motor it's injector nozzles are have bigger holes than a VW PD-TDI. The VW PD-TDI has separate injector units for each cylinder powered by a physical pressure exerted by lobes on the camshaft. That sort of direct connection will transmit higher loads all the way back through to the lobe surface without any "give". More potential for overpressure in the injection unit. Also the for reasons that I haven't discovered the new Jetta TDI with the automatic transmission uses smaller injector openings than the manual shift version of the car, so auto transmission TDI drivers should be even more careful. However, I'm not knocking these engine designs. Both engines work wonderfully for the type of fuel they were designed for. Just keep in mind what happens when you raise viscosity of a liquid under pressure you are also raising the pressures. Personally I'm going to continue to run B50 in my Powerstroke 6.0 motor this winter and run B20 in the PD-TDI. As more data becomes available we may find out that the PD-TDI pump unit is over designed and can handle the higher pressures over the life of the engine. I haven't read as much concerning the Jeep Liberty CRD with it's Italian built Detroit Motors engine, but it appears that it's common rail injector system is probably more compatible with higher BD blends than the VW PD-TDI. It's also of note that apparently VW will transition away from the PD motor to a common rail design over the next few years, so that may bode well for future buyers who want to use high blends of biodiesel. New cars are rarely a _wise_ investment but I've made the choice of investing in two of them this year and I'd like to keep them running on as high a percentage of clean, renewable, domestically produced fuel as long as possible without threatening my investments. Hopefully this information is accurate and it will help others of you trying to decide whether to run biodiesel in a new diesel engine or those of you considering whether to purchase an older diesel versus a new one. -Richard- -- http://RichardCarpenterPhotography.com _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ---------------------------------- On 11/6/06, Bill O'Luanaigh (.mac) wrote: > Hey everyone, > > So I have been happily running mostly B100 and suddenly I am having what may > be problems with my injectors. I seem to recall a discussion a while back > about the viscosity differences between bio and dino and how bio can > sometimes cause problems. There is pooling in the wells around the injectors > and bio is running down the side of the block. At first I thought I had a > valve cover gasket leak but that is fine. > > I took the car to Tioga and he replaced all of the lines between the > injectors and I'm hoping this fixes the problem, it has already diminished > the smell of cooking bio but it's not completely gone. > > Has anyone else had this problem? Are there different injectors that work > better with bio on this engine? > > Thoughts/comments welcome. Thanks in advance! > > -Bill O'Luanaigh- > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com Fri Nov 10 00:22:35 2006 From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl mark) Date: Sat Nov 11 13:13:25 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Are you a member at Biodieselnow.com? important notice about new forum software Message-ID: <455436CB.5040901@localb100.com> I apologise for the extensive crossposting: The forum at biodieselnow.com is undergoing an much-needed upgrade to an entirely new piece of software. This might take place on Veteran's Day weekend (which is this weekend I think?). There's an important step to take if you're already a member- they aren't going to be able to carry over your old password for you to the new forum, and therefore will need to be able to email you a new one. They've been running a notice about it for a few weeks but I doubt every member has logged in since then. Here's a link to one of their notices about this: http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15920 If you are on that forum, please visit now and make sure your email address is correct so that you receive your new password when the change takes effect. From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Mon Nov 13 14:03:24 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Mon Nov 13 09:56:53 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] cellulosic pilot by 07, commercial by 08? Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC3780@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Sorry if you need to create a login for this. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/13/business/13ethanol.html The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Nov 13 15:42:25 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:35:50 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Rock & Roll Camp for Girls 2007 References: Message-ID: <6C89F293-7E04-460C-BD17-635CA2874BA8@blast.com> fyi Begin forwarded message: > From: "Amelia V.B. Shull" > Date: November 13, 2006 3:12:00 PM EST > To: ameliashull@gmail.com > Subject: Rock & Roll Camp for Girls 2007 > > Hello all! > > This isn't exactly the list I usually send camp info to, but I > thought I'd throw it out there that, while I am due to give birth, > um, this Friday (or before, or after), I am still hoping to put > together a week or two of Rock and Roll Camp for Girls next > summer. I would love to hear at least just a first shout-out from > anyone interested in really being a part of the team this year. > Campers usually register as early as February/March, and the camp > has been, for the past three years, at Carolina Friends School > (where I am a teacher) for about a week, for 8-13 year olds. I > would love to hear if anyone has any ideas about a location we > could use this summer that is in or around Downtown Durham or > Chapel Hill, either in addition to or in lieu of the CFS campus. > The only hitch is that we would need about 3-4 rooms that music > could be played in during the day for a week. Any questions about > or thoughts on rental spaces or loanable spaces I can try to answer > if you just ask. Newer structural formatting ideas are always > welcome (in the past, it's been about 24 girls at a time, making > about 4 bands of 6 girls each, so we could do smaller or larger > groups, depending on space and help). > > I should have two weeks in May (near the end of May) when I will be > really powerhousing through all the final details of the > organizational side of things (and will need the most help at that > point, once the big things are ironed out- location, volunteers, > instrument loaning, bands performing, etc), but each year it has > really been crafted by the women and men whose dedication bring it > to life- and believe me, it's always worth the time to get involved. > > I am struggling right now with whether to just commit to a week at > CFS to be sure that we have a space again, or to try to ask the > greater community where a possible new location could be. If it is > to be held at CFS (which has the space, but doesn't always seem to > be the most wide open diverse place to draw all kinds of girls > in...) I will need to ask for a specific week REALLY soon. When > registration opens each year, the camp fills up usually within the > week, so the idea of expanding to accomodate more girls is such a > positive one, if enough people are willing to make it happen! > > If anyone is available during any time between June 19 and August > 10, and wants to be more involved this year, or if you know of > anyone who would be interested in participating/helping to run it > with me- please spread the word and let's make YEAR FOUR as great > as it's been in the past! > > > Please feel free to forward this on to anyone who may have some > ideas of locations that could be used this summer 2007 (anyone know > any building and business owners???) . Please feel free to ask me > for more info about the camp, as well, as I am eager to continue to > help the camp grow with the community, and living in Durham has > made me feel a particular draw towards having at least a new branch > of the camp happen somewhere in and around this area. Maybe a camp > at both CFS and Downtown Durham? Any thoughts welcome, and thanks > for considering being a part of this amazing experience--- > > Of course, if I have a baby in the next few days, please know that > I am very interested in all of your ideas, but may not be able to > respond ASAP! I'll be in touch, though... > > Rock on, > > Amelia V.B. Shull > > > From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Nov 13 15:50:40 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:43:01 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Rock & Roll Camp for Girls 2007 In-Reply-To: <6C89F293-7E04-460C-BD17-635CA2874BA8@blast.com> References: <6C89F293-7E04-460C-BD17-635CA2874BA8@blast.com> Message-ID: whoops... sorry for the non biofuels related forward On Nov 13, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Rachel Burton wrote: > fyi > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Amelia V.B. Shull" >> Date: November 13, 2006 3:12:00 PM EST >> To: ameliashull@gmail.com >> Subject: Rock & Roll Camp for Girls 2007 >> >> Hello all! >> >> This isn't exactly the list I usually send camp info to, but I >> thought I'd throw it out there that, while I am due to give birth, >> um, this Friday (or before, or after), I am still hoping to put >> together a week or two of Rock and Roll Camp for Girls next >> summer. I would love to hear at least just a first shout-out from >> anyone interested in really being a part of the team this year. >> Campers usually register as early as February/March, and the camp >> has been, for the past three years, at Carolina Friends School >> (where I am a teacher) for about a week, for 8-13 year olds. I >> would love to hear if anyone has any ideas about a location we >> could use this summer that is in or around Downtown Durham or >> Chapel Hill, either in addition to or in lieu of the CFS campus. >> The only hitch is that we would need about 3-4 rooms that music >> could be played in during the day for a week. Any questions about >> or thoughts on rental spaces or loanable spaces I can try to >> answer if you just ask. Newer structural formatting ideas are >> always welcome (in the past, it's been about 24 girls at a time, >> making about 4 bands of 6 girls each, so we could do smaller or >> larger groups, depending on space and help). >> >> I should have two weeks in May (near the end of May) when I will >> be really powerhousing through all the final details of the >> organizational side of things (and will need the most help at that >> point, once the big things are ironed out- location, volunteers, >> instrument loaning, bands performing, etc), but each year it has >> really been crafted by the women and men whose dedication bring it >> to life- and believe me, it's always worth the time to get involved. >> >> I am struggling right now with whether to just commit to a week at >> CFS to be sure that we have a space again, or to try to ask the >> greater community where a possible new location could be. If it >> is to be held at CFS (which has the space, but doesn't always seem >> to be the most wide open diverse place to draw all kinds of girls >> in...) I will need to ask for a specific week REALLY soon. When >> registration opens each year, the camp fills up usually within the >> week, so the idea of expanding to accomodate more girls is such a >> positive one, if enough people are willing to make it happen! >> >> If anyone is available during any time between June 19 and August >> 10, and wants to be more involved this year, or if you know of >> anyone who would be interested in participating/helping to run it >> with me- please spread the word and let's make YEAR FOUR as great >> as it's been in the past! >> >> >> Please feel free to forward this on to anyone who may have some >> ideas of locations that could be used this summer 2007 (anyone >> know any building and business owners???) . Please feel free to >> ask me for more info about the camp, as well, as I am eager to >> continue to help the camp grow with the community, and living in >> Durham has made me feel a particular draw towards having at least >> a new branch of the camp happen somewhere in and around this >> area. Maybe a camp at both CFS and Downtown Durham? Any thoughts >> welcome, and thanks for considering being a part of this amazing >> experience--- >> >> Of course, if I have a baby in the next few days, please know that >> I am very interested in all of your ideas, but may not be able to >> respond ASAP! I'll be in touch, though... >> >> Rock on, >> >> Amelia V.B. Shull >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From gbrookha at mindspring.com Mon Nov 13 19:59:25 2006 From: gbrookha at mindspring.com (Gary Brookhart) Date: Mon Nov 13 15:52:51 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines Message-ID: <11F4FCE2-BC23-49DF-B3F8-6A1920CE19E2@mindspring.com> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning about potential warrantee problems and reading a number of posts on the TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few months (except for the drive from North Carolina to Texas which was almost all petro). On September 12th with about 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset of colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of B20 to lower the cloud point. So far I have experience no problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. Gary Brookhart From Trip at netpath.net Tue Nov 14 09:48:08 2006 From: Trip at netpath.net (GTO) Date: Tue Nov 14 05:40:13 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines References: <11F4FCE2-BC23-49DF-B3F8-6A1920CE19E2@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <001a01c707fb$e66f7b80$020aa8c0@Snowcamp1> I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that Gary is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have noticed that others have had some problems. I just wanted to say that I bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 miles on it. I took it home and filled it up with homebrewed B100 which I have been running on ever since. I have not had any problems. I have not changed my fuel filters. When it drops below 40 degrees I put about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. Therefore, anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I think mercedes run on B100 better than Jettas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines > In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of running > biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning about potential > warrantee problems and reading a number of posts on the TDI Club site, I > burned B20 for the first few months (except for the drive from North > Carolina to Texas which was almost all petro). On September 12th with > about 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset of > colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of B20 to lower the > cloud point. So far I have experience no problems and on my last fill up > got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through > the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. > > Gary Brookhart > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From tami at blast.com Tue Nov 14 10:11:48 2006 From: tami at blast.com (Tami Schwerin) Date: Tue Nov 14 06:04:38 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: <001a01c707fb$e66f7b80$020aa8c0@Snowcamp1> References: <11F4FCE2-BC23-49DF-B3F8-6A1920CE19E2@mindspring.com> <001a01c707fb$e66f7b80$020aa8c0@Snowcamp1> Message-ID: <13ACCEC7-5138-4DD8-95CA-CC574036754C@blast.com> I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the winter, I give it a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is below 0 for a few days....have not needed to this year. tami On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that Gary > is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have noticed > that others have had some problems. I just wanted to say that I > bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 miles on it. I > took it home and filled it up with homebrewed B100 which I have > been running on ever since. I have not had any problems. I have > not changed my fuel filters. When it drops below 40 degrees I put > about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. Therefore, > anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I think mercedes > run on B100 better than Jettas. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" > > To: > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning about >> potential warrantee problems and reading a number of posts on the >> TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few months (except for >> the drive from North Carolina to Texas which was almost all >> petro). On September 12th with about 10,000 miles on the car, I >> switched to B100. With the onset of colder weather in NovemberI >> have added a few gallons of B20 to lower the cloud point. So far >> I have experience no problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 >> mpg. I plan to keep 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through >> the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. >> >> Gary Brookhart >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From mattr at biofuels.coop Tue Nov 14 12:03:40 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Tue Nov 14 07:55:34 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] biodiesel job listing Message-ID: Our friend Frankie Lind is looking to hire someone with biodiesel experience to work in the greater DC area. Job description follows: ----------------------------- Pogoil Job Description: Biodiesel Feedstocks Associate Farm operation in central Maryland seeks biodiesel feedstocks/ production associate to help with low-tech biodiesel ?refinery.? Pogoil is a farm-brew biodiesel refinery, creating cleaner-burning American biodiesel fuel for use on premises in large diesel-powered equipment. We create quality biodiesel fuel from used frying oil collected from local restaurants. The Associate?s primary responsibility will be supporting the refinery operator with a combination of duties: coordinating vegetable oil sourcing and collection; communicating our message and needs to our restaurant partners; learning and occasionally helping with the ?brewing? process, and helping ensure the safety, efficiency and effectiveness of this exciting project. Resources are available to experiment with other feedstocks as well. Approximately 80% of the typical workweek will be devoted to feedstock procurement. The remaining time is left flexible for research, experimentation and training. Experience with biodiesel is highly valued. Ideal candidate is familiar with vegetable oil fuels; handy with tools and equipment; humble enough to pump used frying oil from barrels; experienced in customer service and enthusiastic about biofuels. Full time position starts immediately and requires at least a one- year commitment. Compensation starts at $15/hr. Location is 45 minutes from DC or Baltimore. To apply call Frankie Lind at 804.363.5563 or email frankielind@yahoo.com From tobin at tjcog.org Wed Nov 15 08:57:07 2006 From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid) Date: Wed Nov 15 04:50:59 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] new service to find biodiesel on the road References: <6C89F293-7E04-460C-BD17-635CA2874BA8@blast.com> Message-ID: <009401c708bd$f21852f0$1800a8c0@cleancities> NearBio to provide location of biodiesel fuel (New Product) WHDC LLC has launched a free service designed to enable cell phone users to easily find nearby biodiesel fueling locations. NearBio enables mobile phone users (and computer users) to find the nearest biodiesel fueling locations based on city, zip code or GPS coordinates. The comprehensive national database of over 1000 individually verified locations is updated daily and is complete with driving directions, hours, payment options and blend information (where available). For mobile devices that do not have Internet access, NearBio supports location retrieval via text messaging. WHDC LLC, is a privately held company specializing in unique distributed mobile applications with three patents pending relating to mobile imaging and telephony. (Source: Business Wire, Nov. 13, '06) Contact: Lisa Hull, VP Marketing, telephone: (877) 884-3948, email: lisa@nearbio.com, www.nearbio.com Tobin L. Freid Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment Triangle J Council of Governments (919) 558-9400 -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters -- From tomjarrett at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 09:10:25 2006 From: tomjarrett at gmail.com (thomas jarrett) Date: Wed Nov 15 05:02:15 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: <126f11ed0611140942p28fc77f5yeb81133759070d84@mail.gmail.com> References: <11F4FCE2-BC23-49DF-B3F8-6A1920CE19E2@mindspring.com> <001a01c707fb$e66f7b80$020aa8c0@Snowcamp1> <13ACCEC7-5138-4DD8-95CA-CC574036754C@blast.com> <126f11ed0611140942p28fc77f5yeb81133759070d84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <126f11ed0611150610h5bdbb23eo7a2004cc57266f84@mail.gmail.com> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: > Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with a built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this will increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through the winter. Thoughts? > > tom > > > > On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: > > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 > > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the > > winter, I give it > > a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is below 0 for a few > > days....have not needed to this year. > > tami > > > > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: > > > > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that Gary > > > is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have noticed > > > that others have had some problems. I just wanted to say that I > > > bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 miles on it. I > > > took it home and filled it up with homebrewed B100 which I have > > > been running on ever since. I have not had any problems. I have > > > not changed my fuel filters. When it drops below 40 degrees I put > > > about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. > > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. Therefore, > > > anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I think mercedes > > > run on B100 better than Jettas. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" > > > > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM > > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > > > engines > > > > > > > > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of > > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning about > > >> potential warrantee problems and reading a number of posts on the > > >> TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few months (except for > > >> the drive from North Carolina to Texas which was almost all > > >> petro). On September 12th with about 10,000 miles on the car, I > > >> switched to B100. With the onset of colder weather in NovemberI > > >> have added a few gallons of B20 to lower the cloud point. So far > > >> I have experience no problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 > > >> mpg. I plan to keep 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through > > >> the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. > > >> > > >> Gary Brookhart > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > > -- > 187 Summerwalk Circle > Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > USA > Ph: (919) 260 7606 -- 187 Summerwalk Circle Chapel Hill, NC 27517 USA Ph: (919) 260 7606 From tami at blast.com Wed Nov 15 16:52:13 2006 From: tami at blast.com (Tami Schwerin) Date: Wed Nov 15 12:45:25 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: <126f11ed0611150610h5bdbb23eo7a2004cc57266f84@mail.gmail.com> References: <11F4FCE2-BC23-49DF-B3F8-6A1920CE19E2@mindspring.com> <001a01c707fb$e66f7b80$020aa8c0@Snowcamp1> <13ACCEC7-5138-4DD8-95CA-CC574036754C@blast.com> <126f11ed0611140942p28fc77f5yeb81133759070d84@mail.gmail.com> <126f11ed0611150610h5bdbb23eo7a2004cc57266f84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19935DED-E8F3-4630-9A72-64D33C763EDE@blast.com> Tom, I think you will be very happy. Tami On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: >> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning >> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and >> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on >> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what >> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with >> a built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this >> will increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through >> the winter. Thoughts? >> >> tom >> >> >> >> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: >> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 >> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the >> > winter, I give it >> > a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is below 0 for a few >> > days....have not needed to this year. >> > tami >> > >> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: >> > >> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that Gary >> > > is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have noticed >> > > that others have had some problems. I just wanted to say that I >> > > bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 miles on >> it. I >> > > took it home and filled it up with homebrewed B100 which I have >> > > been running on ever since. I have not had any problems. I have >> > > not changed my fuel filters. When it drops below 40 degrees I >> put >> > > about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. >> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. >> Therefore, >> > > anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I think >> mercedes >> > > run on B100 better than Jettas. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" >> > > >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM >> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel >> > > engines >> > > >> > > >> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of >> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning >> about >> > >> potential warrantee problems and reading a number of posts on >> the >> > >> TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few months (except >> for >> > >> the drive from North Carolina to Texas which was almost all >> > >> petro). On September 12th with about 10,000 miles on the >> car, I >> > >> switched to B100. With the onset of colder weather in >> NovemberI >> > >> have added a few gallons of B20 to lower the cloud point. >> So far >> > >> I have experience no problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 >> > >> mpg. I plan to keep 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through >> > >> the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile >> intervals. >> > >> >> > >> Gary Brookhart >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> 187 Summerwalk Circle >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >> USA >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 > > > > -- > 187 Summerwalk Circle > Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > USA > Ph: (919) 260 7606 > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From steve.reid at ncmail.net Thu Nov 16 07:16:02 2006 From: steve.reid at ncmail.net (Steve Reid) Date: Thu Nov 16 03:07:39 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: <19935DED-E8F3-4630-9A72-64D33C763EDE@blast.com> References: <11F4FCE2-BC23-49DF-B3F8-6A1920CE19E2@mindspring.com> <001a01c707fb$e66f7b80$020aa8c0@Snowcamp1> <13ACCEC7-5138-4DD8-95CA-CC574036754C@blast.com> <126f11ed0611140942p28fc77f5yeb81133759070d84@mail.gmail.com> <126f11ed0611150610h5bdbb23eo7a2004cc57266f84@mail.gmail.com> <19935DED-E8F3-4630-9A72-64D33C763EDE@blast.com> Message-ID: <455C5682.9060203@ncmail.net> Folks- Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... thanks for all the great info on BioD! steve Tami Schwerin wrote: > Tom, > I think you will be very happy. > > Tami > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > >> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: >>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning >>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and >>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on >>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what >>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with a >>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this will >>> increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through the >>> winter. Thoughts? >>> >>> tom >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: >>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 >>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the >>> > winter, I give it >>> > a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is below 0 for a few >>> > days....have not needed to this year. >>> > tami >>> > >>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: >>> > >>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that Gary >>> > > is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have noticed >>> > > that others have had some problems. I just wanted to say that I >>> > > bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 miles on it. I >>> > > took it home and filled it up with homebrewed B100 which I have >>> > > been running on ever since. I have not had any problems. I have >>> > > not changed my fuel filters. When it drops below 40 degrees I put >>> > > about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. >>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. Therefore, >>> > > anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I think mercedes >>> > > run on B100 better than Jettas. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" >>> > > >>> > > To: >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM >>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel >>> > > engines >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of >>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning about >>> > >> potential warrantee problems and reading a number of posts on the >>> > >> TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few months (except for >>> > >> the drive from North Carolina to Texas which was almost all >>> > >> petro). On September 12th with about 10,000 miles on the car, I >>> > >> switched to B100. With the onset of colder weather in NovemberI >>> > >> have added a few gallons of B20 to lower the cloud point. So far >>> > >> I have experience no problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 >>> > >> mpg. I plan to keep 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through >>> > >> the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. >>> > >> >>> > >> Gary Brookhart >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 187 Summerwalk Circle >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >>> USA >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> >> >> >> --187 Summerwalk Circle >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >> USA >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group -- Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) Raleigh NC 27601 919.733.0026 x314 919.733.1338 Fax steve.reid@ncmail.net http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. From CConnor at luckstone.com Thu Nov 16 07:28:27 2006 From: CConnor at luckstone.com (Chris . Connor) Date: Thu Nov 16 03:20:11 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: <455C5682.9060203@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8489D@5825-ml.luck.net> I think that VW is supporting the use of a maximum of B5. They say anything above this voids the warranty. If you are considering a VW TDI, I would suggest checking out TDIclub.com for more from people in the know on this. They have forums that deal directly with the use of Biodiesel. There is more info there than my brain could hold. c2 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Steve Reid Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM To: Tami Schwerin Cc: tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines Folks- Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... thanks for all the great info on BioD! steve Tami Schwerin wrote: > Tom, > I think you will be very happy. > > Tami > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > >> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: >>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning >>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and >>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on >>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what >>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with a >>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this will >>> increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through the >>> winter. Thoughts? >>> >>> tom >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: >>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 >>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the >>> > winter, I give it a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is >>> > below 0 for a few days....have not needed to this year. >>> > tami >>> > >>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: >>> > >>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that >>> > > Gary is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have >>> > > noticed that others have had some problems. I just wanted to >>> > > say that I bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 >>> > > miles on it. I took it home and filled it up with homebrewed >>> > > B100 which I have been running on ever since. I have not had >>> > > any problems. I have not changed my fuel filters. When it >>> > > drops below 40 degrees I put about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. >>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. >>> > > Therefore, anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I >>> > > think mercedes run on B100 better than Jettas. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" >>> > > >>> > > To: >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM >>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern >>> > > diesel engines >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of >>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning >>> > >> about potential warrantee problems and reading a number of >>> > >> posts on the TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few >>> > >> months (except for the drive from North Carolina to Texas >>> > >> which was almost all petro). On September 12th with about >>> > >> 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset >>> > >> of colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of B20 >>> > >> to lower the cloud point. So far I have experience no >>> > >> problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep >>> > >> 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. >>> > >> >>> > >> Gary Brookhart >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 187 Summerwalk Circle >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >>> USA >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> >> >> >> --187 Summerwalk Circle >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >> USA >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group -- Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) Raleigh NC 27601 919.733.0026 x314 919.733.1338 Fax steve.reid@ncmail.net http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. ______________________________________________________________________ From tami at blast.com Thu Nov 16 07:43:31 2006 From: tami at blast.com (Tami Schwerin) Date: Thu Nov 16 03:35:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8489D@5825-ml.luck.net> References: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8489D@5825-ml.luck.net> Message-ID: <97E05B16-E3B8-4E0A-A855-C0357191DD49@blast.com> VW told me it would void my warranty, but it never effected anything that I had work on... (when it went it for warranty work, was not fuel related...therefore was a moot point) I was civilly disobedient by using B100....don't regret it at all....my mileage is around 80,000 right now and going strong. tami On Nov 16, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Chris . Connor wrote: > I think that VW is supporting the use of a maximum of B5. They say > anything above this voids the warranty. If you are considering a VW > TDI, I would suggest checking out TDIclub.com for more from people in > the know on this. They have forums that deal directly with the use of > Biodiesel. There is more info there than my brain could hold. > c2 > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of > Steve Reid > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM > To: Tami Schwerin > Cc: tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > Folks- > Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the > manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any > potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of > Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently > before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for > myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... > thanks for all the great info on BioD! > > steve > > > Tami Schwerin wrote: >> Tom, >> I think you will be very happy. >> >> Tami >> >> On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: >> >>> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: >>>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning >>>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and >>>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on >>>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what >>>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes >>>> with a > >>>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this will >>>> increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through the >>>> winter. Thoughts? >>>> >>>> tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: >>>>> I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 > >>>>> since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the >>>>> winter, I give it a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is >>>>> below 0 for a few days....have not needed to this year. >>>>> tami >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that >>>>>> Gary is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have >>>>>> noticed that others have had some problems. I just wanted to >>>>>> say that I bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 >>>>>> miles on it. I took it home and filled it up with homebrewed >>>>>> B100 which I have been running on ever since. I have not had >>>>>> any problems. I have not changed my fuel filters. When it >>>>>> drops below 40 degrees I put about 3 - 5 gallons of regular > diesel in the tank. No problems. >>>>>> Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. >>>>>> Therefore, anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I >>>>>> think mercedes run on B100 better than Jettas. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern >>>>>> diesel engines >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of > >>>>>>> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning >>>>>>> about potential warrantee problems and reading a number of >>>>>>> posts on the TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few >>>>>>> months (except for the drive from North Carolina to Texas >>>>>>> which was almost all petro). On September 12th with about >>>>>>> 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset >>>>>>> of colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of B20 > >>>>>>> to lower the cloud point. So far I have experience no >>>>>>> problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep >>>>>>> 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through the mild NC winter > and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary Brookhart >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 187 Summerwalk Circle >>>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >>>> USA >>>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >>> >>> >>> >>> --187 Summerwalk Circle >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >>> USA >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > -- > Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of > Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit > > Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center > Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 > Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) > Raleigh NC 27601 > > 919.733.0026 x314 > 919.733.1338 Fax > steve.reid@ncmail.net > http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ > > Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, > using > Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on > MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From richmason at mindspring.com Thu Nov 16 16:09:07 2006 From: richmason at mindspring.com (Rich Mason) Date: Thu Nov 16 04:01:17 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8489D@5825-ml.luck.net> Message-ID: As I think has been written on this forum before, the manufacturer can not void your warranty because of biodiesel use just as they can't specify that you use a particular oil filter or gasoline brand. What they can do is refuse to honor a problem caused by fuel...either bad biodiesel, water in your tank, or other such issues. Even if you use regular diesel from your favorite local station, if the manufacturer determines that the fuel caused a problem, even if you have a warranty, they are not required to fix it. In that instance however, you can sue the fuel company if you are so inclined. All of that said, isn't there supposed to be potential danger using high concentrations of biodiesel in pumpe-duse (spelling?) engines, i.e those in use after 2004 by VW, based on injection pump over-pressure concerns? I don't want to promote misinformation but based on what I have read I would lean towards on earlier technology cars (we have a 2003 TDI and my other VWs have been converted to 1.6 TDs) for using B100. Best, Rich Mason -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Chris . Connor Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:28 PM To: BIG Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines I think that VW is supporting the use of a maximum of B5. They say anything above this voids the warranty. If you are considering a VW TDI, I would suggest checking out TDIclub.com for more from people in the know on this. They have forums that deal directly with the use of Biodiesel. There is more info there than my brain could hold. c2 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Steve Reid Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM To: Tami Schwerin Cc: tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines Folks- Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... thanks for all the great info on BioD! steve Tami Schwerin wrote: > Tom, > I think you will be very happy. > > Tami > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > >> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: >>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning >>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and >>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on >>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what >>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with a >>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this will >>> increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through the >>> winter. Thoughts? >>> >>> tom >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: >>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 >>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the >>> > winter, I give it a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is >>> > below 0 for a few days....have not needed to this year. >>> > tami >>> > >>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: >>> > >>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that >>> > > Gary is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have >>> > > noticed that others have had some problems. I just wanted to >>> > > say that I bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 >>> > > miles on it. I took it home and filled it up with homebrewed >>> > > B100 which I have been running on ever since. I have not had >>> > > any problems. I have not changed my fuel filters. When it >>> > > drops below 40 degrees I put about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. >>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. >>> > > Therefore, anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I >>> > > think mercedes run on B100 better than Jettas. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" >>> > > >>> > > To: >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM >>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern >>> > > diesel engines >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of >>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning >>> > >> about potential warrantee problems and reading a number of >>> > >> posts on the TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few >>> > >> months (except for the drive from North Carolina to Texas >>> > >> which was almost all petro). On September 12th with about >>> > >> 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset >>> > >> of colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of B20 >>> > >> to lower the cloud point. So far I have experience no >>> > >> problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep >>> > >> 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. >>> > >> >>> > >> Gary Brookhart >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 187 Summerwalk Circle >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >>> USA >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> >> >> >> --187 Summerwalk Circle >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >> USA >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group -- Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) Raleigh NC 27601 919.733.0026 x314 919.733.1338 Fax steve.reid@ncmail.net http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From CConnor at luckstone.com Thu Nov 16 08:17:48 2006 From: CConnor at luckstone.com (Chris . Connor) Date: Thu Nov 16 04:09:31 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8489F@5825-ml.luck.net> You are right on this warranty issue, but VW and their questionable dealership network is a big enough hassle w/out having to fight that animal. I have heard similar info on the PD engines and fuel pressures. I plan on sticking with B20, when I can find it, for my 04 Golf, mainly because I have to depend on a mechanic since I am dangerous with a wrench. I keep my hope alive that we can find B20 in Burlington soon. c2 -----Original Message----- From: Rich Mason [mailto:richmason@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 8:09 AM To: Chris . Connor; 'BIG' Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines As I think has been written on this forum before, the manufacturer can not void your warranty because of biodiesel use just as they can't specify that you use a particular oil filter or gasoline brand. What they can do is refuse to honor a problem caused by fuel...either bad biodiesel, water in your tank, or other such issues. Even if you use regular diesel from your favorite local station, if the manufacturer determines that the fuel caused a problem, even if you have a warranty, they are not required to fix it. In that instance however, you can sue the fuel company if you are so inclined. All of that said, isn't there supposed to be potential danger using high concentrations of biodiesel in pumpe-duse (spelling?) engines, i.e those in use after 2004 by VW, based on injection pump over-pressure concerns? I don't want to promote misinformation but based on what I have read I would lean towards on earlier technology cars (we have a 2003 TDI and my other VWs have been converted to 1.6 TDs) for using B100. Best, Rich Mason -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Chris . Connor Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:28 PM To: BIG Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines I think that VW is supporting the use of a maximum of B5. They say anything above this voids the warranty. If you are considering a VW TDI, I would suggest checking out TDIclub.com for more from people in the know on this. They have forums that deal directly with the use of Biodiesel. There is more info there than my brain could hold. c2 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Steve Reid Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM To: Tami Schwerin Cc: tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines Folks- Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... thanks for all the great info on BioD! steve Tami Schwerin wrote: > Tom, > I think you will be very happy. > > Tami > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > >> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: >>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning >>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and >>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on >>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what >>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with a >>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this will >>> increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through the >>> winter. Thoughts? >>> >>> tom >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: >>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 >>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the >>> > winter, I give it a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is >>> > below 0 for a few days....have not needed to this year. >>> > tami >>> > >>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: >>> > >>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that >>> > > Gary is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have >>> > > noticed that others have had some problems. I just wanted to >>> > > say that I bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 >>> > > miles on it. I took it home and filled it up with homebrewed >>> > > B100 which I have been running on ever since. I have not had >>> > > any problems. I have not changed my fuel filters. When it >>> > > drops below 40 degrees I put about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. >>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. >>> > > Therefore, anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I >>> > > think mercedes run on B100 better than Jettas. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" >>> > > >>> > > To: >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM >>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern >>> > > diesel engines >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of >>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning >>> > >> about potential warrantee problems and reading a number of >>> > >> posts on the TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few >>> > >> months (except for the drive from North Carolina to Texas >>> > >> which was almost all petro). On September 12th with about >>> > >> 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset >>> > >> of colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of B20 >>> > >> to lower the cloud point. So far I have experience no problems >>> > >> and on my last fill up got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep 80% bio >>> > >> to a 50% blend in the tank through the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. >>> > >> >>> > >> Gary Brookhart >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 187 Summerwalk Circle >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >>> USA >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> >> >> >> --187 Summerwalk Circle >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >> USA >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group -- Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) Raleigh NC 27601 919.733.0026 x314 919.733.1338 Fax steve.reid@ncmail.net http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. 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For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. ______________________________________________________________________ From panthercat at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 09:41:41 2006 From: panthercat at gmail.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Thu Nov 16 05:33:25 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: References: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8489D@5825-ml.luck.net> Message-ID: <4b6e46c90611160641u18c12eccxcd11e06a72616977@mail.gmail.com> 1. Yes, I am worried that my PD-TDI Jetta will be hurt by B100, I only use up to B20. 2. As long as you completely fill up on dino-diesel before visiting the Dealer with a problem, you should be fine. I have a big BioDiesel sticker on my car and the dealer asked "do you run Biodiesel?" and I answered "No, cause you can't buy B5". That was the extent of the interrogation and all my warranty issues were fixed free of charge. -C On 11/16/06, Rich Mason wrote: > As I think has been written on this forum before, the manufacturer can not > void your warranty because of biodiesel use just as they can't specify that > you use a particular oil filter or gasoline brand. What they can do is > refuse to honor a problem caused by fuel...either bad biodiesel, water in > your tank, or other such issues. Even if you use regular diesel from your > favorite local station, if the manufacturer determines that the fuel caused > a problem, even if you have a warranty, they are not required to fix it. In > that instance however, you can sue the fuel company if you are so inclined. > > All of that said, isn't there supposed to be potential danger using high > concentrations of biodiesel in pumpe-duse (spelling?) engines, i.e those in > use after 2004 by VW, based on injection pump over-pressure concerns? I > don't want to promote misinformation but based on what I have read I would > lean towards on earlier technology cars (we have a 2003 TDI and my other VWs > have been converted to 1.6 TDs) for using B100. > > Best, > Rich Mason > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Chris . > Connor > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:28 PM > To: BIG > Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > I think that VW is supporting the use of a maximum of B5. They say > anything above this voids the warranty. If you are considering a VW > TDI, I would suggest checking out TDIclub.com for more from people in > the know on this. They have forums that deal directly with the use of > Biodiesel. There is more info there than my brain could hold. > c2 > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of > Steve Reid > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM > To: Tami Schwerin > Cc: tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > Folks- > Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the > manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any > potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of > Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently > before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for > myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... > thanks for all the great info on BioD! > > steve > > > Tami Schwerin wrote: > > Tom, > > I think you will be very happy. > > > > Tami > > > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > > > >> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: > >>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning > >>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and > >>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on > >>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what > >>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with a > > >>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this will > >>> increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through the > >>> winter. Thoughts? > >>> > >>> tom > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: > >>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 > > >>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the > >>> > winter, I give it a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is > >>> > below 0 for a few days....have not needed to this year. > >>> > tami > >>> > > >>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that > >>> > > Gary is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have > >>> > > noticed that others have had some problems. I just wanted to > >>> > > say that I bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 > >>> > > miles on it. I took it home and filled it up with homebrewed > >>> > > B100 which I have been running on ever since. I have not had > >>> > > any problems. I have not changed my fuel filters. When it > >>> > > drops below 40 degrees I put about 3 - 5 gallons of regular > diesel in the tank. No problems. > >>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. > >>> > > Therefore, anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I > >>> > > think mercedes run on B100 better than Jettas. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" > >>> > > > >>> > > To: > >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM > >>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern > >>> > > diesel engines > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of > > >>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning > >>> > >> about potential warrantee problems and reading a number of > >>> > >> posts on the TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few > >>> > >> months (except for the drive from North Carolina to Texas > >>> > >> which was almost all petro). On September 12th with about > >>> > >> 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset > >>> > >> of colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of B20 > > >>> > >> to lower the cloud point. So far I have experience no > >>> > >> problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep > >>> > >> 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through the mild NC winter > and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Gary Brookhart > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >>> > >> > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> 187 Summerwalk Circle > >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > >>> USA > >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 > >> > >> > >> > >> --187 Summerwalk Circle > >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > >> USA > >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > -- > Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of > Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit > > Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center > Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 > Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) > Raleigh NC 27601 > > 919.733.0026 x314 > 919.733.1338 Fax > steve.reid@ncmail.net > http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ > > Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using > Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on > MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From CConnor at luckstone.com Thu Nov 16 09:44:07 2006 From: CConnor at luckstone.com (Chris . Connor) Date: Thu Nov 16 05:36:01 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: <4b6e46c90611160641u18c12eccxcd11e06a72616977@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F848A1@5825-ml.luck.net> And make sure you drive long enough to flush the bio out of the entire fuel system . c2 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Carlos Thompson Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:42 AM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines 1. Yes, I am worried that my PD-TDI Jetta will be hurt by B100, I only use up to B20. 2. As long as you completely fill up on dino-diesel before visiting the Dealer with a problem, you should be fine. I have a big BioDiesel sticker on my car and the dealer asked "do you run Biodiesel?" and I answered "No, cause you can't buy B5". That was the extent of the interrogation and all my warranty issues were fixed free of charge. -C On 11/16/06, Rich Mason wrote: > As I think has been written on this forum before, the manufacturer can > not void your warranty because of biodiesel use just as they can't > specify that you use a particular oil filter or gasoline brand. What > they can do is refuse to honor a problem caused by fuel...either bad > biodiesel, water in your tank, or other such issues. Even if you use > regular diesel from your favorite local station, if the manufacturer > determines that the fuel caused a problem, even if you have a > warranty, they are not required to fix it. In that instance however, you can sue the fuel company if you are so inclined. > > All of that said, isn't there supposed to be potential danger using > high concentrations of biodiesel in pumpe-duse (spelling?) engines, > i.e those in use after 2004 by VW, based on injection pump > over-pressure concerns? I don't want to promote misinformation but > based on what I have read I would lean towards on earlier technology > cars (we have a 2003 TDI and my other VWs have been converted to 1.6 TDs) for using B100. > > Best, > Rich Mason > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Chris . > Connor > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:28 PM > To: BIG > Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > I think that VW is supporting the use of a maximum of B5. They say > anything above this voids the warranty. If you are considering a VW > TDI, I would suggest checking out TDIclub.com for more from people in > the know on this. They have forums that deal directly with the use of > Biodiesel. There is more info there than my brain could hold. > c2 > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of > Steve Reid > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM > To: Tami Schwerin > Cc: tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > Folks- > Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the > manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any > potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of > Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently > before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for > myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... > thanks for all the great info on BioD! > > steve > > > Tami Schwerin wrote: > > Tom, > > I think you will be very happy. > > > > Tami > > > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > > > >> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: > >>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning > >>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and > >>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on > >>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what > >>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with > >>> a > > >>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this > >>> will increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through > >>> the winter. Thoughts? > >>> > >>> tom > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: > >>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on > >>> > B100 > > >>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the > >>> > winter, I give it a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is > >>> > below 0 for a few days....have not needed to this year. > >>> > tami > >>> > > >>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that > >>> > > Gary is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have > >>> > > noticed that others have had some problems. I just wanted to > >>> > > say that I bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 > >>> > > miles on it. I took it home and filled it up with homebrewed > >>> > > B100 which I have been running on ever since. I have not had > >>> > > any problems. I have not changed my fuel filters. When it > >>> > > drops below 40 degrees I put about 3 - 5 gallons of regular > diesel in the tank. No problems. > >>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. > >>> > > Therefore, anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I > >>> > > think mercedes run on B100 better than Jettas. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" > >>> > > > >>> > > To: > >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM > >>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern > >>> > > diesel engines > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose > >>> > >> of > > >>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning > >>> > >> about potential warrantee problems and reading a number of > >>> > >> posts on the TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few > >>> > >> months (except for the drive from North Carolina to Texas > >>> > >> which was almost all petro). On September 12th with about > >>> > >> 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset > >>> > >> of colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of > >>> > >> B20 > > >>> > >> to lower the cloud point. So far I have experience no > >>> > >> problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep > >>> > >> 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through the mild NC > >>> > >> winter > and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Gary Brookhart > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_grou > >>> > >> p > >>> > >> > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > > > >>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> 187 Summerwalk Circle > >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > >>> USA > >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 > >> > >> > >> > >> --187 Summerwalk Circle > >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > >> USA > >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > -- > Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of > Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit > > Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center > Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 > Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) Raleigh NC 27601 > > 919.733.0026 x314 > 919.733.1338 Fax > steve.reid@ncmail.net > http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ > > Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, > using > Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. 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For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. ______________________________________________________________________ From richmason at mindspring.com Thu Nov 16 17:55:19 2006 From: richmason at mindspring.com (Rich Mason) Date: Thu Nov 16 05:47:31 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines In-Reply-To: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F848A1@5825-ml.luck.net> Message-ID: I have gone so far as to remove stickers and a license plate frame promoting biodiesel from my wife's TDI when we had a check engine light problem. They replaced the glow plug relay, harness and plugs, which was apparently a common failure. Now it is out of warranty so it doesn't matter! -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Chris . Connor Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:44 PM To: Carlos Thompson; BIG Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines And make sure you drive long enough to flush the bio out of the entire fuel system . c2 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Carlos Thompson Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:42 AM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines 1. Yes, I am worried that my PD-TDI Jetta will be hurt by B100, I only use up to B20. 2. As long as you completely fill up on dino-diesel before visiting the Dealer with a problem, you should be fine. I have a big BioDiesel sticker on my car and the dealer asked "do you run Biodiesel?" and I answered "No, cause you can't buy B5". That was the extent of the interrogation and all my warranty issues were fixed free of charge. -C On 11/16/06, Rich Mason wrote: > As I think has been written on this forum before, the manufacturer can > not void your warranty because of biodiesel use just as they can't > specify that you use a particular oil filter or gasoline brand. What > they can do is refuse to honor a problem caused by fuel...either bad > biodiesel, water in your tank, or other such issues. Even if you use > regular diesel from your favorite local station, if the manufacturer > determines that the fuel caused a problem, even if you have a > warranty, they are not required to fix it. In that instance however, you can sue the fuel company if you are so inclined. > > All of that said, isn't there supposed to be potential danger using > high concentrations of biodiesel in pumpe-duse (spelling?) engines, > i.e those in use after 2004 by VW, based on injection pump > over-pressure concerns? I don't want to promote misinformation but > based on what I have read I would lean towards on earlier technology > cars (we have a 2003 TDI and my other VWs have been converted to 1.6 TDs) for using B100. > > Best, > Rich Mason > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Chris . > Connor > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:28 PM > To: BIG > Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > I think that VW is supporting the use of a maximum of B5. They say > anything above this voids the warranty. If you are considering a VW > TDI, I would suggest checking out TDIclub.com for more from people in > the know on this. They have forums that deal directly with the use of > Biodiesel. There is more info there than my brain could hold. > c2 > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of > Steve Reid > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM > To: Tami Schwerin > Cc: tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > Folks- > Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the > manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any > potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of > Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently > before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for > myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... > thanks for all the great info on BioD! > > steve > > > Tami Schwerin wrote: > > Tom, > > I think you will be very happy. > > > > Tami > > > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > > > >> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: > >>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning > >>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and > >>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on > >>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what > >>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with > >>> a > > >>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this > >>> will increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through > >>> the winter. Thoughts? > >>> > >>> tom > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: > >>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on > >>> > B100 > > >>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the > >>> > winter, I give it a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is > >>> > below 0 for a few days....have not needed to this year. > >>> > tami > >>> > > >>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that > >>> > > Gary is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have > >>> > > noticed that others have had some problems. I just wanted to > >>> > > say that I bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 > >>> > > miles on it. I took it home and filled it up with homebrewed > >>> > > B100 which I have been running on ever since. I have not had > >>> > > any problems. I have not changed my fuel filters. When it > >>> > > drops below 40 degrees I put about 3 - 5 gallons of regular > diesel in the tank. No problems. > >>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. > >>> > > Therefore, anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I > >>> > > think mercedes run on B100 better than Jettas. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" > >>> > > > >>> > > To: > >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM > >>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern > >>> > > diesel engines > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose > >>> > >> of > > >>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning > >>> > >> about potential warrantee problems and reading a number of > >>> > >> posts on the TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few > >>> > >> months (except for the drive from North Carolina to Texas > >>> > >> which was almost all petro). On September 12th with about > >>> > >> 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset > >>> > >> of colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of > >>> > >> B20 > > >>> > >> to lower the cloud point. So far I have experience no > >>> > >> problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep > >>> > >> 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through the mild NC > >>> > >> winter > and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Gary Brookhart > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_grou > >>> > >> p > >>> > >> > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > > > >>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> 187 Summerwalk Circle > >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > >>> USA > >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 > >> > >> > >> > >> --187 Summerwalk Circle > >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > >> USA > >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > -- > Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of > Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit > > Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center > Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 > Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) Raleigh NC 27601 > > 919.733.0026 x314 > 919.733.1338 Fax > steve.reid@ncmail.net > http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ > > Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, > using > Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. 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For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wes at xitechusa.com Thu Nov 16 10:00:42 2006 From: wes at xitechusa.com (Wes Garrison) Date: Thu Nov 16 05:52:27 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Warranty issues and Pumpe Deuse In-Reply-To: <455C5682.9060203@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <01c001c7098f$fcd6b010$0801a8c0@mediatower> Steve and others, As a TDIClub member, I have read much and more about Biodiesel in late model VWs. First of all, Warranty. I will echo what Rich says: No matter what they tell you or write in their pamphlet literature, they CANNOT void your warranty based simply on something you do to your car, period. Its called the Magnusson-Moss Act. (from Biofuels.coop) http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=C ite:+15USC2302 Here is a link to strategies for disputing unlawful warranty denials: http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?ID=8124 The gist of Magnusson-Moss is this: If that "something" that you did to your car causes a problem, and you want them to fix said problem, then you have a problem. Otherwise, you're good. In our case, if bad Petro Diesel caused a problem, they could deny our warranty ON FUEL SYSTEM RELATED PROBLEMS if they PROVE that our bad Petro Diesel caused the problem. Same goes with Bio. If your clutch goes out early, they can't say "you were running B100, so your warranty is gone". They may try, but you simply follow the second link above and they'll take care of it. So the question is moot unless you do something that causes a problem. Ie. "Will my burning B100 Biodiesel harm my engine/fuel system/etc." Answer: NO. The ALH "injector pump" engines (1999.5 - 2003 jetta, golf, New Beetle) have shown over the past 5 years to run well even on Straight Vegetable Oil conversions. In the PD engines (2004-newer), there is some concern as to how well SVO will run due to the higher viscosity putting strain on the already higher-pressure "unit injectors". Others say it should work BETTER in the PD engine. Basically, the Jury is still out. HOWEVER, B100 Biodiesel is Diesel fuel for all intents and purposes, and runs GREAT in the PD engine (and ALL diesel engines for that matter). The worst you may encounter is having to cut it with kerosene or Petro diesel in the winter to improve cold flow properties, but I run B100 straight through the winter. Long and short of it is: 1) don't try an SVO conversion on your PD engine just yet, unless Elsbett comes out with something (they REALLY know what they are doing) 2) B100 is just fine in any engine, except in climates where it is often below freezing, then you run B80. Hope this helps, Wes Wesley S. Garrison Network Engineer Xitech Communications, Inc. email wes@xitechusa.com mobile (919) 260-0803 fax (509) 278-1952 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Steve Reid Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM To: Tami Schwerin Cc: tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines Folks- Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... thanks for all the great info on BioD! steve Tami Schwerin wrote: > Tom, > I think you will be very happy. > > Tami > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > >> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: >>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning >>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and >>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on >>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what >>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with a >>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this will >>> increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through the >>> winter. Thoughts? >>> >>> tom >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: >>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 >>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the >>> > winter, I give it >>> > a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is below 0 for a few >>> > days....have not needed to this year. >>> > tami >>> > >>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: >>> > >>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that Gary >>> > > is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have noticed >>> > > that others have had some problems. I just wanted to say that I >>> > > bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 miles on it. I >>> > > took it home and filled it up with homebrewed B100 which I have >>> > > been running on ever since. I have not had any problems. I have >>> > > not changed my fuel filters. When it drops below 40 degrees I put >>> > > about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. >>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. Therefore, >>> > > anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I think mercedes >>> > > run on B100 better than Jettas. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" >>> > > >>> > > To: >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM >>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel >>> > > engines >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of >>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning about >>> > >> potential warrantee problems and reading a number of posts on the >>> > >> TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few months (except for >>> > >> the drive from North Carolina to Texas which was almost all >>> > >> petro). On September 12th with about 10,000 miles on the car, I >>> > >> switched to B100. With the onset of colder weather in NovemberI >>> > >> have added a few gallons of B20 to lower the cloud point. So far >>> > >> I have experience no problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 >>> > >> mpg. I plan to keep 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through >>> > >> the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. >>> > >> >>> > >> Gary Brookhart >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 187 Summerwalk Circle >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >>> USA >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> >> >> >> --187 Summerwalk Circle >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >> USA >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group -- Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) Raleigh NC 27601 919.733.0026 x314 919.733.1338 Fax steve.reid@ncmail.net http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From tfitznc at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 16 10:18:55 2006 From: tfitznc at bellsouth.net (tfitznc@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu Nov 16 06:10:38 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines References: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F848A1@5825-ml.luck.net> Message-ID: <000b01c70992$880c4850$0101a8c0@TERRYLAPTOP> FWIW, I've been using B20-99 without incident for a year. Better smell, better fuel efficiency with 99 than with dinodiesel. If I started to have fuel problems, I would take my biodiesel sticker off the back and run dino for a fill-up before taking to dealer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris . Connor" To: "Carlos Thompson" ; "BIG" Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines And make sure you drive long enough to flush the bio out of the entire fuel system . c2 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Carlos Thompson Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:42 AM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines 1. Yes, I am worried that my PD-TDI Jetta will be hurt by B100, I only use up to B20. 2. As long as you completely fill up on dino-diesel before visiting the Dealer with a problem, you should be fine. I have a big BioDiesel sticker on my car and the dealer asked "do you run Biodiesel?" and I answered "No, cause you can't buy B5". That was the extent of the interrogation and all my warranty issues were fixed free of charge. -C On 11/16/06, Rich Mason wrote: > As I think has been written on this forum before, the manufacturer can > not void your warranty because of biodiesel use just as they can't > specify that you use a particular oil filter or gasoline brand. What > they can do is refuse to honor a problem caused by fuel...either bad > biodiesel, water in your tank, or other such issues. Even if you use > regular diesel from your favorite local station, if the manufacturer > determines that the fuel caused a problem, even if you have a > warranty, they are not required to fix it. In that instance however, you can sue the fuel company if you are so inclined. > > All of that said, isn't there supposed to be potential danger using > high concentrations of biodiesel in pumpe-duse (spelling?) engines, > i.e those in use after 2004 by VW, based on injection pump > over-pressure concerns? I don't want to promote misinformation but > based on what I have read I would lean towards on earlier technology > cars (we have a 2003 TDI and my other VWs have been converted to 1.6 TDs) for using B100. > > Best, > Rich Mason > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Chris . > Connor > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:28 PM > To: BIG > Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > I think that VW is supporting the use of a maximum of B5. They say > anything above this voids the warranty. If you are considering a VW > TDI, I would suggest checking out TDIclub.com for more from people in > the know on this. They have forums that deal directly with the use of > Biodiesel. There is more info there than my brain could hold. > c2 > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of > Steve Reid > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM > To: Tami Schwerin > Cc: tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu; biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel > engines > > Folks- > Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the > manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any > potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of > Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently > before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for > myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... > thanks for all the great info on BioD! > > steve > > > Tami Schwerin wrote: > > Tom, > > I think you will be very happy. > > > > Tami > > > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: > > > >> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: > >>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning > >>> this purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and > >>> threads like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on > >>> this I would greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what > >>> model year it started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with > >>> a > > >>> built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this > >>> will increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through > >>> the winter. Thoughts? > >>> > >>> tom > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: > >>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on > >>> > B100 > > >>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the > >>> > winter, I give it a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is > >>> > below 0 for a few days....have not needed to this year. > >>> > tami > >>> > > >>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that > >>> > > Gary is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have > >>> > > noticed that others have had some problems. I just wanted to > >>> > > say that I bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 > >>> > > miles on it. I took it home and filled it up with homebrewed > >>> > > B100 which I have been running on ever since. I have not had > >>> > > any problems. I have not changed my fuel filters. When it > >>> > > drops below 40 degrees I put about 3 - 5 gallons of regular > diesel in the tank. No problems. > >>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. > >>> > > Therefore, anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I > >>> > > think mercedes run on B100 better than Jettas. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" > >>> > > > >>> > > To: > >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM > >>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern > >>> > > diesel engines > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose > >>> > >> of > > >>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning > >>> > >> about potential warrantee problems and reading a number of > >>> > >> posts on the TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few > >>> > >> months (except for the drive from North Carolina to Texas > >>> > >> which was almost all petro). On September 12th with about > >>> > >> 10,000 miles on the car, I switched to B100. With the onset > >>> > >> of colder weather in NovemberI have added a few gallons of > >>> > >> B20 > > >>> > >> to lower the cloud point. So far I have experience no > >>> > >> problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 mpg. I plan to keep > >>> > >> 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through the mild NC > >>> > >> winter > and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Gary Brookhart > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_grou > >>> > >> p > >>> > >> > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > > > >>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> 187 Summerwalk Circle > >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > >>> USA > >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 > >> > >> > >> > >> --187 Summerwalk Circle > >> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 > >> USA > >> Ph: (919) 260 7606 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > -- > Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist NC Division of > Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit > > Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center > Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 > Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) Raleigh NC 27601 > > 919.733.0026 x314 > 919.733.1338 Fax > steve.reid@ncmail.net > http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ > > Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, > using > Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. 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For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From tfitznc at bellsouth.net Thu Nov 16 15:19:46 2006 From: tfitznc at bellsouth.net (tfitznc@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu Nov 16 11:11:30 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines References: <11F4FCE2-BC23-49DF-B3F8-6A1920CE19E2@mindspring.com><001a01c707fb$e66f7b80$020aa8c0@Snowcamp1><13ACCEC7-5138-4DD8-95CA-CC574036754C@blast.com><126f11ed0611140942p28fc77f5yeb81133759070d84@mail.gmail.com><126f11ed0611150610h5bdbb23eo7a2004cc57266f84@mail.gmail.com><19935DED-E8F3-4630-9A72-64D33C763EDE@blast.com> <455C5682.9060203@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <000901c709bc$90058150$0101a8c0@TERRYLAPTOP> Steve, I purchased a new Jetta 2006 in January. Dealer in Greenville did not even mention the fuel 'issues' at all. I have run dino, B90-99 most of the time without incident. I think with the exception of gel points during the winter (and use of mixed blend), the whole thing is a non-issue. Just sayin' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Reid" To: "Tami Schwerin" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines > Folks- > Please reply regarding what new purchasers are being told by the > manufacturers of VW (and others) diesels re: use of biodiesel and any > potential impact on the engine warranty. I am considering purchase of > Jetta TDI, but would like to hear what others have been told recently > before going much further in the process. I will obviously ask for > myself, but would like more input than just the dealer I go to... > thanks for all the great info on BioD! > > steve > > > Tami Schwerin wrote: >> Tom, >> I think you will be very happy. >> >> Tami >> >> On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:10 AM, thomas jarrett wrote: >> >>> On 11/14/06, thomas jarrett wrote: >>>> Hey I just bought a 2006 Golf TDI last week. I have been planning this >>>> purchase for a year or more and have been watching this and threads >>>> like it during this time. Please anyone that has input on this I would >>>> greatly appreciate it as well. I am not sure what model year it >>>> started but my owners manual says my Golf comes with a built in fuel >>>> filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this will increase the >>>> likelihood I will be able to run B100 through the winter. Thoughts? >>>> >>>> tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/14/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: >>>> > I purchased a new Jetta TDI in 2003, have been running it on B100 >>>> > since then and it is fantastic. If it gets really cold in the >>>> > winter, I give it >>>> > a bit of petroleum....that would be if it is below 0 for a few >>>> > days....have not needed to this year. >>>> > tami >>>> > >>>> > On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:48 AM, GTO wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > I have been monitoring this post for while. I am glad that Gary >>>> > > is having no problems running B100 in his Jetta. I have noticed >>>> > > that others have had some problems. I just wanted to say that I >>>> > > bought a 1998 E300TD Mercedes in June with 155,5000 miles on it. I >>>> > > took it home and filled it up with homebrewed B100 which I have >>>> > > been running on ever since. I have not had any problems. I have >>>> > > not changed my fuel filters. When it drops below 40 degrees I put >>>> > > about 3 - 5 gallons of regular diesel in the tank. No problems. >>>> > > Nor did I have any problems running B100 in my TD wagon. Therefore, >>>> > > anecdotally and on limited experience to be sure, I think mercedes >>>> > > run on B100 better than Jettas. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Brookhart" >>>> > > >>>> > > To: >>>> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:59 PM >>>> > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel >>>> > > engines >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >> In June I purchased a 2006 Jetta TDI for the express purpose of >>>> > >> running biodiesel. After listening to the dealer's warning about >>>> > >> potential warrantee problems and reading a number of posts on the >>>> > >> TDI Club site, I burned B20 for the first few months (except for >>>> > >> the drive from North Carolina to Texas which was almost all >>>> > >> petro). On September 12th with about 10,000 miles on the car, I >>>> > >> switched to B100. With the onset of colder weather in NovemberI >>>> > >> have added a few gallons of B20 to lower the cloud point. So far >>>> > >> I have experience no problems and on my last fill up got 45.6 >>>> > >> mpg. I plan to keep 80% bio to a 50% blend in the tank through >>>> > >> the mild NC winter and have oil changes at 5,000 mile intervals. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Gary Brookhart >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> > >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> > >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 187 Summerwalk Circle >>>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >>>> USA >>>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >>> >>> >>> >>> --187 Summerwalk Circle >>> Chapel Hill, NC 27517 >>> USA >>> Ph: (919) 260 7606 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > -- > Steve Reid, Extension Education & Training Specialist > NC Division of Water Quality,Technical Assistance & Certification Unit > > Mailing:1618 Mail Service Center > Raleigh, NC 27699-1618 > Physical: 219 E North St (Ashley House) > Raleigh NC 27601 > > 919.733.0026 x314 > 919.733.1338 Fax > steve.reid@ncmail.net > http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/tacu/ > > Before speaking, consider whether it is an improvement upon silence. > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 21:44:18 2006 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Thu Nov 16 17:34:09 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Glycerine questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <455D2202.9020503@gmail.com> Here is a question I want to toss at the Piedmont Biofuels folks or anyone else generates large quantities of glycerine as.a byproduct of biodiesel production. I have been trying to think of ways to dispose of the crude glycerine that yields a useful product. Two ideas come to mind: 1) Glycerol is an alcohol and should be a relatively clean burning fuel. Does it have the right properties to run a diesel electric generator on it? Perhaps with some heating like in an SVO set-up? Or could an oil furnace be adapted to run off of glycerol? 2) Currently a lot of glycerine gets composted because there is nothing else to do with it. Well, composting is aerobic digestion. If you run it thru an anaerobic digester you can produce methane biogas. The biogas can be used to heat the buildings, provide any process heat needed for biodiesel production, or generate electricity. If you produce enough methane, it can become feasible to produce the methanol needed for the biodiesel production. Other inputs besides glycerol would be needed for the feedstock to the biogas digester because glycerol has no nitrogen. Has anyone looked into anaerobic digestion of glycerol? -- Mark From mattr at biofuels.coop Thu Nov 16 22:32:44 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Thu Nov 16 18:24:22 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Glycerine questions In-Reply-To: <455D2202.9020503@gmail.com> References: <455D2202.9020503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <23616E8F-7049-4FF4-9C1E-8262683C7E64@biofuels.coop> 1.) Glycerol can release acrolein when burned if not done VERY hot and with lots of oxygen. It does burn well though once you get it going. If it starts to smolder watch out. Those are carcinogenic vapors! 2.) The folks at TS designs (aka Burlington Biodiesel) put some glycerin in their methane digester and killed the anaerobic organisms. We hope to get a small methane digester going at the co- op next year to experiment with our glycerin. Not quite sure what we would do with the methane yet, probably just use it for process heat (ie. to help heat our hot water reservoir that we use to heat the biodiesel reaction.) On Nov 16, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Mark Ambrose wrote: > Here is a question I want to toss at the Piedmont Biofuels folks or > anyone else generates large quantities of glycerine as.a byproduct > of biodiesel production. I have been trying to think of ways to > dispose of the crude glycerine that yields a useful product. Two > ideas come to mind: > > 1) Glycerol is an alcohol and should be a relatively clean burning > fuel. Does it have the right properties to run a diesel electric > generator on it? Perhaps with some heating like in an SVO set-up? > Or could an oil furnace be adapted to run off of glycerol? > > 2) Currently a lot of glycerine gets composted because there is > nothing else to do with it. Well, composting is aerobic > digestion. If you run it thru an anaerobic digester you can > produce methane biogas. The biogas can be used to heat the > buildings, provide any process heat needed for biodiesel > production, or generate electricity. If you produce enough > methane, it can become feasible to produce the methanol needed for > the biodiesel production. Other inputs besides glycerol would be > needed for the feedstock to the biogas digester because glycerol > has no nitrogen. Has anyone looked into anaerobic digestion of > glycerol? > > -- Mark > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Fri Nov 17 13:05:13 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Fri Nov 17 08:56:54 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] old diesel vulnerability Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC3797@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> I've seen discussions about old Mercedes diesels with hoses and fittings that deteriorate rapidly running biodiesel. What is the earliest year that new materials were used that were not susceptible to this? Symon The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Fri Nov 17 13:18:46 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Fri Nov 17 09:10:28 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] filter heater & winter B100 Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC3798@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Third try, sorry if this is a repeat. > ...comes with > a built in fuel filter heater for cold starts. I am hoping this > will increase the likelihood I will be able to run B100 through > the winter. Thoughts? Hate to be a wet blanket but I would assume that in cold weather the B100 in your tank and lines will cloud up with wax crystals. You might want to talk to Leif, Evan, et al, (whoever Al is) about the temperature required to get the cloudy wax crystals to dissolve (70F?) and the problem of them reappearing at higher temperatures once they have been present. You might dissolve them just long enough to get past the filter. I don't know the times and temps involved but if they reform downstream from there it can't be good for your injectors. I may be misremembering (similar to misunderestimating) but personally I would be hesitant to use B100 in freezing weather even with a filter heater. On the other hand, I have a hard time believing in one tank SVO setups and people drive them every day so don't listen to me. Jim The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Fri Nov 17 13:20:28 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Fri Nov 17 09:12:13 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] filter heater and viscosity Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC3799@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Question for Richard Carpenter. Could a filter heater lower the viscosity of B100 enough to bring it within specs for the high pressure, micro-hole injector systems? Symon The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From marc at theforestfoundation.org Fri Nov 24 11:23:10 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Fri Nov 24 07:22:51 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FW: BBC E-mail: Sustainable development: Big not boring Message-ID: marc saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Sustainable development: Big not boring ** Jonathon Porritt explains why sustainable development is not a "boring catch-phrase for sad gits". < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/6178138.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have?been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm From neilnbeth at alltel.net Sat Nov 25 19:59:10 2006 From: neilnbeth at alltel.net (neil edens) Date: Sat Nov 25 15:49:53 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 55 gal steel standpipe wash tank for sale References: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC3799@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Message-ID: <001501c710f6$156eca50$01fea8c0@nandb> Moved up to a larger capacity wash tank and do not need this 55 gal steel standpipe wash tank. Ready to install on your stand then start washing. I'm located 15 mins south of Sanford. 919 770 7712 Neil From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Nov 26 20:54:50 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sun Nov 26 16:45:48 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: 85 mercedes benz 300td wagon with Elsbett for sale References: Message-ID: Hey folks, Here is an already svo converted benz wagon for sale. Please see the ad or contact the seller. Begin forwarded message: > From: seth shoneman > > http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/239346510.html > > feel free to call me 252-341-4235 > > peace and pure veggie grease! > > > seth From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Nov 26 21:31:27 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sun Nov 26 17:22:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Toyota to Produce Diesel Hybrid Car Message-ID: Toyota Motor Corp. plans to commercialize a diesel hybrid sub-compact car as early as 2010 in cooperation with its ally Isuzu Motors Ltd., according to informed sources. Toyota has developed the plan because a diesel hybrid car will be appealing in Europe, where diesel-engine vehicles are popular, and in Japan where gasoline-electric hybrid cars are gaining acceptance, the sources said. There are presently diesel hybrid trucks in actual use, but in order to apply the technology to cars, it is necessary to reduce the size and weight of the engine and motor, and to lower prices as well. Contact: Toyota Motor Corp., www.toyota.com. From mattr at biofuels.coop Mon Nov 27 12:16:25 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Mon Nov 27 08:08:19 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] India gives West Africa US$250m to develop biofuels Message-ID: <58783119-8657-49FD-B8D9-DD1189C70893@biofuels.coop> SciDev.Net, 23 November 2006 - The Indian government will give US$250 million towards a fund to boost biofuel production in 15 West African countries. Ghana's vice president Alhaji Aliu Mahama announced the fund last week (14 November) at a workshop held in Accra, Ghana, to discuss biofuel financing in West Africa. The fund will be set up by the Bank for Investment and Development (EBID) of the Economic Community of West African States. Biofuel is an attractive source of energy for West African states because it can protect their economies against rising crude oil prices on the world market. It is also seen as a viable source of climate-friendly energy. In theory the Clean Development Mechanism under the Kyoto Protocol could be used to fund biodiesel production, but West African countries lack the expertise needed to apply for the scheme. "There is an acute shortage of expertise to develop such proposals," said Ghana's Minister for Lands, Forestry and Mines, Dominic Fobih. Fobih welcomed the fund, but said that procedures for developing Clean Development Mechanism proposals should still be properly studied. The workshop was co-sponsored by EBID and the UN Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD). EBID pledged to foster private-public partnerships, with support from UNCTAD, and to finance agricultural and industrial production for biofuels. As a first step in this direction, EBID will provide US$35 million for a jatropha biodiesel project in Ghana, in conjunction with the country's commercial banks and financial institutions. Benin, Mali, Nigeria and Senegal, led by Ghana, have pioneered research on biofuel and jatropha plantations. Jatropha oil's low cost and ease of cultivation make it an attractive crop for biofuel production. But biofuel production is still a relatively young technology, and more research is needed, notably to make sure it is geared towards the needs of small farmers for whom biofuel use on a local scale ? for village power or agro-processing ? could be highly promising. In addition, to be competitive on the international market, West Africa will need to find viable sources of funding to invest in plantations of between 50,000?150,000 hectares, and into processing, transport and storage facilities. It will also have to reduce its production costs and improve its farming techniques to reduce the risk of low yields, pests and disease. From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Nov 28 21:37:46 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Nov 28 17:28:33 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Documentary Screening by Triangle Intentional Communities Group References: <7364776.1164754264523.JavaMail.root@admin.meetup.com> Message-ID: <58A8564F-A17C-4B11-93A7-3DB09F933C74@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > Your Organizer, Stephen Hren, sent the following message to > some members of NC Powerdown Triangle Peak Oil Group: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > How Cuba Survived Peak Oil Screening > Date & Time: Wednesday, December 6, 2006, 7:00 PM > Location: Chapel Hill Public Library, Chapel Hill , Durham, NC > > Description: > Mike Swaim of Triangle Intentional Communities Meetup has > reserved the large conference room in the lower level of the > Chapel Hill Public Library from 7-8:45pm on Wed. Dec. 6th. The > film will start about 7:15pm and is an hour long. > > Chapel Hill Public Library > 100 Library Drive Chapel Hill, NC large conference room in > basement > Chapel Hill, NC 27514 > 919.968.2777 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > To visit NC Powerdown Triangle Peak Oil Group, go here: > http://oilawareness.meetup.com/216/ > > From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Nov 28 21:42:25 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Nov 28 17:33:09 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Hands-on workshops offer closer look at biodiesel Message-ID: <50C02BA9-B073-436B-96A0-5D1ABA0FC2A7@blast.com> Florida A&M University StateWide Small Farm Programs, the National Sustainable Agriculture Information Service/ATTRA, Piedmont Biofuels and local small farmers will provide two workshops on using biodiesel as a sustainable energy source. Each workshop will include hands-on learning, demonstrations, handouts and discussions. The first workshop, "Using Vegetable Oil as Alternative Fuel/ Biodiesel Fuel," will take place Friday and Saturday from 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. at Crescent Moon Organic Farm, Crescent Moon Trail, in Sopchoppy. It is free to the public. The facilitator will be Matt Rudolf, executive director of Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative in Pittsboro, N.C. An organic lunch will be provided by New Leaf Market and Deli. Please bring your own chair. The one-day "Veggie Oil as Alternative Fuel" workshop will take place Dec. 4 from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. at Jessica's Organic Farm, 4180 47th St., in Sarasota. It is free to the public. Rudolf will be the facilitator. Please bring your own brown-bag lunch and your own chair. Biodiesel is a clean-burning fuel produced from domestic, renewable resources. Biodiesel, which can be made from almost any vegetable oil or animal fat, is simple to use, biodegradable, nontoxic and essentially free of sulfur and aromatics. The registration deadline for both workshops is Wednesday. To register for the two-day or one-day biodiesel workshops, contact Jennifer Taylor at (850) 412-5260 or Jennifer.Taylor@famu.edu. From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Nov 30 08:49:15 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Nov 30 04:40:07 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel for Fleet managers References: <6D29349473E22449865356FEE7CE1849A87084@CCOGSBS1.ccogdom1.local> Message-ID: <2AB45D92-4E48-43BA-9B07-1455B3F6FDBF@blast.com> From Centralina Clean Fuels: > > Good Afternoon, > > I am writing to let CCFC stakeholders and other interested parties > know about this great biodiesel event opportunity that is scheduled > for next Tuesday. A tentative agenda including workshop and plant > tour are below. I realize this is a bit last minute, however, if > you are interested in attending please RSVP this week to Randy > Dellinger of Foothills Bio-Energies (www.foothillsbio-energies.com) > by email at randy@foothillsbio-energies.com or by phone at > 828-759-7101. > > Also, if you are travelling from the Greater Charlotte Region, the > City of Concord has volunteered the use of one of its passenger > vans, if there is enough interest. If you would like to vanpool, > please contact me at this email address by the end of this week, 12/1. > > Thanks, > Jason > > P.S. Please excuse any cross-postings. > > Rough agenda (subject to change): > Welcome (Start Promptly at 11am, 12/5/06, Caldwell County-Broyhill > Civic Center) > > Guest Speaker: David Wallace, State Energy Office 15min > > 2nd Speaker (Fleet Manager) 15 min > > Lunch 30 min > > Foothills Bio-Energies (Local Production, Fuel Quality) 15 min > > Bumgarner Oil (Local Distributor, Locations, Capabilities) 15 min > > Q&A Session (Possible Panel of Fleet Managers) 15-30 min ? wrap up > by NLT 1pm > > Plant Tour for Interested Parties (Plant is located approx. 5 miles > from Civic Center) 30 min Immediately Following Presentation > > > Jason Wager, AICP > Community & Regional Planner > Coordinator, Centralina Clean Fuels Coalition > > Centralina Council of Governments > PO Box 35008 > Charlotte, NC 28235 > > Ph: 704.348.2707 > Fax: 704.347.4710 > COG web site: www.centralina.org > Clean Fuels web site: www.4cleanfuels.com