From jcd at sdf.lonestar.org Thu Jun 1 07:48:26 2006 From: jcd at sdf.lonestar.org (J. Clifford Dyer) Date: Thu Jun 1 05:44:22 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] help? I think? In-Reply-To: <20060531151114.BAC9E9E87C@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20060531151114.BAC9E9E87C@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20060601104825.GA22686@sdf.lonestar.org> Once you've had water settle out, try running a hose to the bottom of the barrel, and siphoning it out. That way you get the stuff on bottom first. Cheers, Cliff On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 10:11:14AM -0500, rickyb@rickyb.net wrote regarding [Biofuels_Interest_Group] help? I think?: > Delivered-To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > From: rickyb@rickyb.net > To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:11:14 -0500 > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] help? I think? > > Group? > > We in Winston were preparing to make our first 15 gallons of bio. I had sucked up the oil into the reactor and decided to make sure the pump would lift and have no problems recirculating the oil for the methanol/lye mixing part. I opened my reactor bottom value and the pump started to pull the oil from the tank. It was a milky caramel color. I think maybe there was some water left in the bottom of the reactor where we had tested the whole thing to make sure everything worked and we had no leeks. It couldn't have been much but I am guessing the mixing action of the pump and recirculation caused the oil to change to the caramel color. Or is that the color it should be anyway? > > Anyway my question is this. The "book" says to heat up the oil and let it sit for a couple of days and bleed off the water that is on the bottom. That is the process I started yesterday. I heated it to at least 170 and then turned it off to let it settle out the water. But what is to be done with the residual that will always be in the bottom of the reactor? Without a drain in the immediate bottom there appears there will always be something on the bottom? Water glycerin etc. How do u get that out so it doesnt mix with your next batch? Also is the above solution the best thing to do? > > Thanks for any and all advice. WE are so close we can taste it...no pun intended. > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com Thu Jun 1 06:10:03 2006 From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl mark) Date: Thu Jun 1 07:05:53 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] new biodiesel homebrewing class, Asheville, NC , monday June 12th Message-ID: <447ED91B.8030703@localb100.com> I added an extra one-day homebrewing class, because my weekend one sold out: Asheville, NC Biodiesel Homebrewing Class, Monday, June 12, 10-4 www.girlmark.com/tour2006.html This is a class about homebrewing biodiesel and the chemistry involved. It is a mixture of lecture and hands-on lab time , where students will make biodiesel on a 1-liter scale. We will cover quality control and even make some 'engineered mistakes' so you dont make them at home by accident. We will not be building equipment in this short class but will cover some limited equipment topics. This class is taught by Maria 'Mark' Alovert To Register At the webpage above is a Paypal link to pay for class with credit cards or paypal. The class is $60. If the class sells out I will remove the Paypal link at the www.girlmark.com/tour2006.html web page, since I'm posting this with short notice, there's no need to email me before registering. CHeck the web page first. See www.biodieselcommunity.org - the group-written, peer-reviewed 'open source' biodiesel website, for more information about homebrewing . From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Jun 2 09:24:43 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Jun 2 07:20:26 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: 2005 Volkswagen Jetta GLS TDI References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > > Mileage: 55,000 > Body Style: Sedan > Exterior Color: Silver > Interior Color: Black > > VIN: 3VWSR69M15M042590 > > $18,000 > Engine: 4 Cylinders > Transmission: Manual > Drivetrain: FWD > Doors: 4 > > > http://www.cars.com/go/search/ > detail.jsp;jsessionid=0S2G3VEYPSAVDLAZGITE2VA? > tracktype=usedcc&searchType=99&paId=200130282&pageNumber=0&numResultsP > erPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRIC > E > +descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=0&leadExists=true&criteria=AFFI > LIATEADID-1871075%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending&aff=triangle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Jun 2 11:12:28 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Jun 2 09:09:26 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel forcast References: <001201c6833b$a5223770$0201a8c0@dap811a019a040> Message-ID: > Hey Folks, > Ashley Silva forwarded this one to me. > It is interesting site. > > http://www.dieselforecast.com/ > From trace_ramsey at hotmail.com Sat Jun 3 21:41:44 2006 From: trace_ramsey at hotmail.com (Trace Ramsey) Date: Sat Jun 3 19:40:03 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] truck for sale References: <32261332.482681145625824097.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <529F5B5F-8784-42FE-BB55-B22DC4990F3B@blast.com> Message-ID: Hey all, I am selling my truck - 1985 Chevy Silverado 6.2L diesel, shortbed, dual tanks. 94k miles on the odometer. Previous owner insisted it wasn't flipped, and there is no way to tell for sure. New brakes all around, new steel fuel lines throughout, 2 new batteries. Needs some minor work. Needs one rear tire to pass inspection (tread just missed). Located in Wilmington NC. Email is the best way to reach me - traceramsey@capefearbiofuels.com Price and pictures for serious inquiries. Thanks, Trace From wrenchwench at blast.com Sat Jun 3 23:10:33 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sat Jun 3 21:12:29 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Job opening Message-ID: <188C8407-7ED7-4C25-915E-A0C7DA7564C9@blast.com> 12. Energy Conservation Manager, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is seeking an energetic leader for the position of Energy Conservation Manager to guide and coordinate efforts to reduce campus energy consumption in both new and existing buildings. The position, which reports to the Sustainability Director, will develop a demand management strategy, monitor consumption trends, make the business case for efficiency improvements, and educate the campus community about the costs and benefits of energy efficiency. Applicants should have a Bachelor?s degree in Engineering and four years of related experience in energy management (or equivalent). The closing date for applications is June 30, 2006. https://s4.its.unc.edu/RAMS4/details.do?posID=0054384 from www.aashe.org From luxurious at earthlink.net Sun Jun 4 10:59:09 2006 From: luxurious at earthlink.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Luc_Su=E8r?=) Date: Sun Jun 4 08:54:19 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] dieselforcast Message-ID: <96e5bdea7661605d88d66c6e71909576@earthlink.net> the http://www.dieselforecast.com site is pretty cool. There's an article on there "The Diesel Dilemma" in which Union of Concerned Scientists research director David Friedman claims (amongst many other things) that "it takes more oil to make diesel than gas". Does anyone know if this is true? I did some limited research and could only find information that illustrates the opposite....... I also came across a site that wasn't mentioned in the forecast that I thought was worth checking out for those interested in hip car technologie: http://www.loremo.com/ Luc From biodiesel at yovo.info Mon Jun 5 15:50:39 2006 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Mon Jun 5 13:46:07 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] dieselforcast In-Reply-To: <96e5bdea7661605d88d66c6e71909576@earthlink.net> References: <96e5bdea7661605d88d66c6e71909576@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44847CFF.2060809@yovo.info> Luc AFAIK, gasoline is not just produced by the fractional distillation process http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining4.htm but also by chemically "cracking" heavier fractions with larger carbon molecules. Diesel is a pretty large carbon molecule, so I don't think that diesel is produced by cracking, only by distillation. So, yes, it takes more crude to make a gallon of diesel vs. a gallon of gasoline. But that gallon also gets you twice as far (in a car). And yes, diesel is dirtier - that's why we prefer biodiesel. My biggest concern with Friedman's statements is not so much with how he characterizes diesel, as it is with his characterization of hydrogen as a "long-term solution" to our energy needs. Currently, over 95 percent of all hydrogen is made from fossil carbon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy#Present_hydrogen_market RENEWABLE hydrogen has to be the keyword. But that seems to me like a loooong term solution, just slightly better than science-fiction. Jurgen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jurgen Henn biodiesel@yovo.info 2002 Jetta TDI 40/50 MPG on biodiesel http://words.yovo.info/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Luc Su?r wrote: > the http://www.dieselforecast.com site is pretty cool. There's an > article on there "The Diesel Dilemma" in which Union of Concerned > Scientists research director David Friedman claims (amongst many other > things) that "it takes more oil to make diesel than gas". Does anyone > know if this is true? I did some limited research and could only find > information that illustrates the opposite....... > I also came across a site that wasn't mentioned in the forecast that I > thought was worth checking out for those interested in hip car > technologie: http://www.loremo.com/ > > Luc > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From solar7man at yahoo.com Mon Jun 5 15:43:17 2006 From: solar7man at yahoo.com (Jonathan Chance) Date: Mon Jun 5 16:38:41 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] A Free & Fair Energy/Transportation Marketplace In-Reply-To: <44847CFF.2060809@yovo.info> Message-ID: <20060605214317.79333.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When examining energy and transportation issues and technologies, we need to observe the economic context. Do we have a free and fair marketplace? What kind of misconceptions and market distortions are perpetuated by massive subsidies for non-renewable energy? How could gasoline be a more efficient fuel than petrodiesel? My understanding of petrodiesel is that it's closer in form to crude oil (less refined) than gasoline and requires less energy for production. Is this wrong? In addition, Diesel engines are much more efficient than Otto engines. Regarding hydrogen as a fuel, I see little or no practical purpose for it unless you're trying to greenwash nuclear power and fossil fuels (and the military-industrial complex). It's likely that renewable electricity and biofuels will always be more efficient and practical than hydrogen. Unless people honestly state their goals, these debates just keep going around in circles whenever the latest contrived "energy crisis" becomes a fashionable subject of conversation. The technology to solve these problems has existed for a long time. But the problems still exist (and grow) because they're "profitable" within a dysfunctional political-financial system (graftocracy). When the massive subsidies for non-renewable energy are removed, when "external" costs are internalized, a free and fair marketplace will allow and encourage commercialization of the best technologies. My best guess is that if we had a free and fair market, most of our cars today would be plug-in hybrid-electric vehicles, about 2000 lbs, 100 mpg, with lithium-ion batteries and Diesel or Otto flex-fuel engines running on biofuels. Fuel cells might be excellent for large, noisy, urban, centrally fueled vehicles such as buses, but not for cars. In a free and fair marketplace, it's also likely that many cars would be pure electric vehicles like the GM EV1, Honda EV+, Toyota RAV4 EV, Nissan Hypermini and others - but with lithium-ion rather than NMH batteries. It seems most sensible to replace gasoline and petrodiesel incrementally with ever greater mixes of biofuels made available as widely as possible. No? Jonathan --- Jurgen Henn wrote: > Luc > AFAIK, gasoline is not just produced by the > fractional distillation process > http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining4.htm > but also by chemically "cracking" heavier fractions > with larger carbon > molecules. Diesel is a pretty large carbon molecule, > so I don't think > that diesel is produced by cracking, only by > distillation. So, yes, it > takes more crude to make a gallon of diesel vs. a > gallon of gasoline. > But that gallon also gets you twice as far (in a > car). > > And yes, diesel is dirtier - that's why we prefer > biodiesel. > > My biggest concern with Friedman's statements is not > so much with how he > characterizes diesel, as it is with his > characterization of hydrogen as > a "long-term solution" to our energy needs. > Currently, over 95 percent > of all hydrogen is made from fossil carbon. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy#Present_hydrogen_market > > RENEWABLE hydrogen has to be the keyword. But that > seems to me like a > loooong term solution, just slightly better than > science-fiction. > > Jurgen > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Jurgen Henn > biodiesel@yovo.info > 2002 Jetta TDI > 40/50 MPG on biodiesel > http://words.yovo.info/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Luc Su?r wrote: > > the http://www.dieselforecast.com site is pretty > cool. There's an > > article on there "The Diesel Dilemma" in which > Union of Concerned > > Scientists research director David Friedman claims > (amongst many other > > things) that "it takes more oil to make diesel > than gas". Does anyone > > know if this is true? I did some limited research > and could only find > > information that illustrates the opposite....... > > I also came across a site that wasn't mentioned in > the forecast that I > > thought was worth checking out for those > interested in hip car > > technologie: http://www.loremo.com/ > > > > Luc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From biodiesel at yovo.info Mon Jun 5 22:42:18 2006 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Mon Jun 5 20:37:46 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] petrodiesel In-Reply-To: <20060605214317.79333.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060605214317.79333.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4484DD7A.2080103@yovo.info> see below ... Jonathan Chance wrote: > > How could gasoline be a more efficient fuel than > petrodiesel? My understanding of petrodiesel is that > it's closer in form to crude oil (less refined) than > gasoline and requires less energy for production. PetroDiesel is not really a "less refined" fuel than gasoline - it is composed of larger carbon molecules than gasoline. Because of that it actually has a higher boiling temperature (350 - 650F) than gasoline (80 - 400F) which means diesel takes more energy for the distillation phase of the refining process than gasoline. http://www.biofuels.coop/archive/4_SVO.ppt (PowerPoint) That's irrelevant, however, since huge amounts of both diesel and gasoline are produced through "cracking" larger molecules from heavier oils. Cracking exposes heavy oils to heat and pressure to break larger molecules into smaller ones, and thus it is a VERY energy intensive process. http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining5.htm All that, however, is completely irrelevant because we're running out of this stuff, anyway. > It seems most sensible to replace gasoline and > petrodiesel incrementally with ever greater mixes of > biofuels made available as widely as possible. No? > > Jonathan Absolutely YES!! Grease to all! Jurgen From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Mon Jun 5 23:13:37 2006 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark Ambrose) Date: Mon Jun 5 21:09:03 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Distillation and Cracking In-Reply-To: <20060605214317.79333.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060605214317.79333.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4484E4D1.6030406@alumni.princeton.edu> I'm not a chemical engineer, but here is my understanding of gasoline and diesel production. Once upon a time, petroleum was refined by distilling to seperate the different fractions. Under that scenario it made no sense to compare how much diesel you could produce from a barrel of petroleum vs. how much gasoline you could produce. They came from different fractions of the crude oil and were not interchangeable. Nowadays I believe BOTH diesel and gasoline are produced (or can be produced) in part by cracking other fractions of the crude oil. Diesel fuel contains molecules that are large compared with those in gasoline but are pretty small compared with some of the thick stuff in crude oil. Those large molecules get cracked to produce things like gasoline, kerosene/jet fuel, and diesel/heating oil. Otherwise those heavy fractions could only be used for things like asphalt tar, paraffin wax, and petroeum jelly. So there is a degree of interchangeability between diesel and gasoline depending on how the crude oil is cracked. Because diesel fuel contains larger, heavier molecules, more of the "stuff" of the crude oil gets used up to go into a gallon of diesel than a gallon of gasoline. But the other question is the relative amounts of energy that goes into the refining process. Do you use so much more fossil fuel refining gasoline that it compensates for the larger amount of hydrocarbon going into diesel fuel? I have no answer to that. This does bring to mind another question. Diesel engines give us more mpg than comparable gasoline engines. How much of this is because the diesel engine is more efficient at recovering the chemical energy of the fuel and how much of this is because diesel fuel contains more chemical energy per gallon than gasoline? And a word on hydrogen: If a politician/policy maker talks about hydrogen as an energy SOURCE they either don't know what they are talking about or are trying to mislead you. Hydrogen should be considered an energy VECTOR, an energy distribution system. We should not think of hydrogen as an alternative to gasoline or diesel fuel; it is an alternative to large, heavy batteries. Because we need energy from somewhere or other to produce hydrogen, it is not an energy source in itself. It IS important because we have found many more viable options for producing energy at stationary generating facilities than we have for motor vehicles. Hydrogen may be a relatively efficient means to utilize energy from renewable sources (e.g. wind, solar, biomethane, solid waste-to-energy), cleaner non-renewable sources (e.g. clean coal technology), dirty non-renewable sources (e.g. coal), or dangerous, non-renewable, but plenty of fuel available (e.g. nuclear) for vehicles. We still have to make the important decisions about energy sources, but it greatly increases the number of options compared with those we have now: petroleum-based fuels, CNG, biodiesel, or ethanol. >--- Jurgen Henn wrote: > > >>Luc >>AFAIK, gasoline is not just produced by the >>fractional distillation process >>http://science.howstuffworks.com/oil-refining4.htm >>but also by chemically "cracking" heavier fractions >>with larger carbon >>molecules. Diesel is a pretty large carbon molecule, >>so I don't think >>that diesel is produced by cracking, only by >>distillation. So, yes, it >>takes more crude to make a gallon of diesel vs. a >>gallon of gasoline. >>But that gallon also gets you twice as far (in a >>car). >> >>And yes, diesel is dirtier - that's why we prefer >>biodiesel. >> >>My biggest concern with Friedman's statements is not >>so much with how he >>characterizes diesel, as it is with his >>characterization of hydrogen as >>a "long-term solution" to our energy needs. >>Currently, over 95 percent >>of all hydrogen is made from fossil carbon. >> >> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy#Present_hydrogen_market > > >>RENEWABLE hydrogen has to be the keyword. But that >>seems to me like a >>loooong term solution, just slightly better than >>science-fiction. >> >>Jurgen >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Jurgen Henn >> biodiesel@yovo.info >> 2002 Jetta TDI >> 40/50 MPG on biodiesel >>http://words.yovo.info/ >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>Luc Su?r wrote: >> >> >>>the http://www.dieselforecast.com site is pretty >>> >>> >>cool. There's an >> >> >>>article on there "The Diesel Dilemma" in which >>> >>> >>Union of Concerned >> >> >>>Scientists research director David Friedman claims >>> >>> >>(amongst many other >> >> >>>things) that "it takes more oil to make diesel >>> >>> >>than gas". Does anyone >> >> >>>know if this is true? I did some limited research >>> >>> >>and could only find >> >> >>>information that illustrates the opposite....... >>>I also came across a site that wasn't mentioned in >>> >>> >>the forecast that I >> >> >>>thought was worth checking out for those >>> >>> >>interested in hip car >> >> >>>technologie: http://www.loremo.com/ >>> >>>Luc >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> >>> >>> >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> >> >> >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > From aibodkin at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 18:14:05 2006 From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin) Date: Tue Jun 6 16:09:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Profiteering on Bio... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember the "hay day" of Initial Public Offerings or IPO for short...? this might be of interest... VeraSun (VSE) is scheduled for IPO next week at an opening estimate of $18 - $20 per share through Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers... not to sound like a "sales pitcher" but Sharebuilder.com lets you buy incremental shares for about $4 a transaction...Etrade and Scott Trade will probably carry this as well.... "..At VeraSun Energy, we are focused on creating a future to include renewable energy. Our nation's growing dependence on fossil fuels and the impact of our consumption have never been more apparent than it is today. We believe there is a better way?renewable fuels. VeraSun Energy uses the latest biotechnology to create a viable fuel alternative for today and for the future. We convert corn to fuel-grade ethanol, which is blended with gasoline to extend our fuel supplies and reduce automobile emissions. While renewable fuels are not the entire solution, they are clearly part of that solution. Ethanol's time has come, and VeraSun Energy is proud to be part of a cleaner and brighter tomorrow.." http://www.verasun.com/ Thinking from all directions? Regards Andy On 5/5/06, A Bodkin wrote: > Most of the people that I have met in the biodiesel/biofuels industry > don't strike me as the type of folks who are looking to "capitalize" > on industry growth?but for those who have confidence that it will grow > into a profitable market? > > > > 3 stocks to ride ethanol's rise > http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P150550.asp > Posted 5/3/2006 > > "..Think about this next time you fill up your car with $3 gas: > Everybody is talking about the need for alternative energy, whether > it's ethanol from corn or switch grass, solar, wind, nuclear, coal to > liquid, or bio-diesel. So why aren't there more alternative energy > stocks for an investor to buy? > > If you're looking for a pure play on an alternative energy -- whether > it's solar or ethanol -- then the pickings are pretty slim. Subtract > the overpriced, the over-hyped and the illiquid stocks, and there > doesn't seem to be much left?" > > > Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) for instance with but a $100 monthly > investment since May 2000 > > Total of $7,600 out of pocket would equal $20,962.80 today > (+$13,362)?or 175.8% increase? > > From my standpoint, the profit made in the industry might make a > healthy donation to protect ANWR? :0) > > Thinking from all directions? > > > ~A > > No Farmers, No Fuel... > From solar7man at yahoo.com Wed Jun 7 17:40:33 2006 From: solar7man at yahoo.com (Jonathan Peretz Chance) Date: Wed Jun 7 18:35:47 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Cellulose-Based Ethanol In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060607234033.9349.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those of us who want to make investments that are both ethical and competitively profitable would be very interested in cellulose-based ethanol. According to Jim Juback: "Iogen, a private company and the early name in cellulose-based ethanol thanks to a blue ribbon investor group that includes Goldman Sachs (GD, news, msgs), expects to start producing plant-based ethanol by 2009. Iogen is projecting a cost of 90 cents a gallon when its plants are in full production. Right now it costs about $1.10 to produce a gallon of corn-based ethanol, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Thanks to the lower cost of plant cellulose versus corn, plant-based ethanol could have a permanent cost advantage." http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P150550.asp It's my understanding that cellulosic biofuels are not only less expensive and more resource-efficient, but also avoid inflating food prices. (Oh no! That might be ethical!) It's about time they commercialize this technology. Like so many other goodies, it's been sitting on a shelf waiting for the next "energy crisis". Are VeraSun and other corn-based ethanol producers going to fly with cellulose? I'd rather invest in Iogen, preferably before they're bought by a mega energy company. (Too late!) Will Shell allow this technology to be commercialized? Perhaps the war profiteers at the CFR don't like this peace-mongering gem, but it's been around for a very looooong time.... Jonathan --- A Bodkin wrote: > Remember the "hay day" of Initial Public Offerings > or IPO for short...? > > this might be of interest... VeraSun (VSE) is > scheduled for IPO next > week at an opening estimate of $18 - $20 per share > through Morgan > Stanley, Lehman Brothers... not to sound like a > "sales pitcher" but > Sharebuilder.com lets you buy incremental shares for > about $4 a > transaction...Etrade and Scott Trade will probably > carry this as > well.... > > "..At VeraSun Energy, we are focused on creating a > future to include > renewable energy. Our nation's growing dependence on > fossil fuels and > the impact of our consumption have never been more > apparent than it is > today. We believe there is a better way?renewable > fuels. > > VeraSun Energy uses the latest biotechnology to > create a viable fuel > alternative for today and for the future. We convert > corn to > fuel-grade ethanol, which is blended with gasoline > to extend our fuel > supplies and reduce automobile emissions. > > While renewable fuels are not the entire solution, > they are clearly > part of that solution. Ethanol's time has come, and > VeraSun Energy is > proud to be part of a cleaner and brighter > tomorrow.." > > http://www.verasun.com/ > > Thinking from all directions > > Regards > Andy > > > > On 5/5/06, A Bodkin wrote: > > Most of the people that I have met in the > biodiesel/biofuels industry > > don't strike me as the type of folks who are > looking to "capitalize" > > on industry growth but for those who have > confidence that it will grow > > into a profitable market > > > > > > > > 3 stocks to ride ethanol's rise > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P150550.asp > > Posted 5/3/2006 > > > > "..Think about this next time you fill up your car > with $3 gas: > > Everybody is talking about the need for > alternative energy, whether > > it's ethanol from corn or switch grass, solar, > wind, nuclear, coal to > > liquid, or bio-diesel. So why aren't there more > alternative energy > > stocks for an investor to buy? > > > > If you're looking for a pure play on an > alternative energy -- whether > > it's solar or ethanol -- then the pickings are > pretty slim. Subtract > > the overpriced, the over-hyped and the illiquid > stocks, and there > > doesn't seem to be much left " > > > > > > Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) for instance with but > a $100 monthly > > investment since May 2000 > > > > Total of $7,600 out of pocket would equal > $20,962.80 today > > (+$13,362) or 175.8% increase > > > > From my standpoint, the profit made in the > industry might make a > > healthy donation to protect ANWR :0) > > > > Thinking from all directions > > > > > > ~A > > > > No Farmers, No Fuel... > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From john.bonitz at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 11:36:59 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu Jun 8 09:32:11 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: interesting In-Reply-To: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC066D81@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC066D81@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Message-ID: <84a57a420606080736j73c1bb25s3e1fb3984a49d939@mail.gmail.com> Wow, fascinating article, Cheryl! Thanks for sharing. John ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ganter, Cheryl Date: Jun 8, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: interesting To: Terrie Whitt , John Bonitz , Don Mueller , Lyle Estill , david@biofuels.coop How bout that?if you can't sell TV's , why not invest in Ethanol?!! Warren's Consumer Electronics Daily Published 6-6-2006 Its income drying up from past investments in synthetic fuels, Rex Stores is putting $24.9 million into plants making ethanol, Rex said in an 8-K report filed Fri. at the SEC. The 218-store Dayton, O.-based chain made $110 million in pre-tax income and $45 million in federal tax credits since it first invested in synthetic fuel in 1998. The money went into its retail business as a hedge against CE market vagaries. In recent years Rex sold off parts of its synthetic fuel holdings as it shifted focus to corn-based ethanol, including buying stakes in plants in Ohio, S.D. and Tex. The strategic change was underscored last fall when Rex hired former Panasonic executive David Bearden as pres. to head retail operations, allowing CEO Stuart Rose to focus more on ethanol. Rose has incentives to bolster Rex's position in alternative energy. He's eligible for a bonus of up to 3% of the chain's pretax energy-related earnings, to a cap of $1 million, according to SEC filings. The issue of Rex's synthetic fuel investments came to a head late in May when the chain reported Q1 net income plunged to $1.5 million from $6.1 million a year earlier. The downturn accompanied a curtailment in synthetic fuel production due to high energy prices and uncertainty over federal tax credits' future. Rex's investments included Raleigh-based Progress Energy, which recently closed synthetic fuel plants in eastern Ky. (2) and W. Va. (3), idling 120-130 workers. Synthetic fuel production credits will shrink or disappear this year if energy prices keep rising, Progress said. Without credits, synthetic fuel costs more to make than it earns, said Progress. Tax laws give synthfuel makers production credits for each ton sold. But if its cost passes a certain threshold, the credits get smaller. Rex expects no more income from sale of its synthetic fuel partnerships, Rose has told investors. The partnerships once were expected to generate income well into 2007. With Bearden on board, "I'm spending my time looking for ethanol investments and looking to make an impact on that business," Rose said. But investors and analysts fear that with Rose more engaged in ethanol, the retail business may suffer, they said. Rex has shrunk to 218 stores from 255 in recent years and Q1 revenue declined to $86.1 million from $87.9 million on a 0.5% gain in same-store sales. Rex is expected to close 2-3 stores this year, Rose said. Rose tried to allay concerns by saying with $15 million in cash and "very little" mortgage debt, Rex is strong. The chain owns 157 of its 218 stores and those it closes often are sold or leased at a profit, he said. Rex also has a commissioned sales staff, encouraging stores to perform, he said. Expanding and "opening stores for the sake of opening stores" is among the "worst things" to do, since "sometimes you dilute your better sales people," Rose said. Rex blamed the downturn in Q1 sales on continued shortages of plasma TVs. Rose voiced hope Bearden will help cure that problem, given his past ties to plasma TV market share leader Panasonic. Rex expects a "decent supply" of plasma TVs this fall, but Rose conceded shortages may persist. Sales of LCD and microdisplay-based TVs rose during the quarter, while those of DVD, audio, large-size CRT TVs and camcorders fell, he said. LCD, plasma and microdisplay sets accounted for 60-65% of Rex TV sales in the quarter, up from 40-45% a year earlier, company officials said. Cheryl Ganter Technology Services - Carolinas Metro Progress Energy Service Co. cheryl.ganter@pgnmail.com -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From john.bonitz at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 13:36:34 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Fri Jun 9 11:31:41 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] some guy in New York's Tompkin County Message-ID: <84a57a420606090936j414629a3lfb0953a6e25d0d91@mail.gmail.com> Saw this in American Veggie Grower Magazine. Boy, this Mark Weinand fellow is gonna get in trouble with the revenuers if he's not paying road taxes on that vegoil he's selling. -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC Veggie Oil Fuels VW Mark Weinand has been fueling his diesel Volkswagen with used vegetable oil since 2000. For $800, Weinand had a kit installed in his car that converts the engine to run from diesel to vegetable oil with the push of a button. Weinand says for him, the benefit of used vegetable oil is environmental because it is a renewable resource. But the alternative fuel source is also cheaper. He gets the used vegetable oil from restaurants for free, then filters it at home to thin it out so it's ready to use as fuel. Weinand also filters the oil for other drivers and charges $1.75 per gallon of filtered vegetable oil. He installs converter kits in cars, as well, and with the cost of energy prices rising, he has fit dozens of cars with the kits in the past year. But while used vegetable oil saves Weinand and other drivers thousands of dollars, it's also very messy and smelly. Yet Weinand says driving a car that smells like a diner on wheels is worth the savings. Rosemary Gordon, Jun 08, 13:09 From bknighton at nc.rr.com Fri Jun 9 14:58:40 2006 From: bknighton at nc.rr.com (Bill Knighton) Date: Fri Jun 9 12:53:47 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Cleaning dried SVO In-Reply-To: <84a57a420606090936j414629a3lfb0953a6e25d0d91@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420606090936j414629a3lfb0953a6e25d0d91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4489B6D0.2040704@nc.rr.com> Does anyone know of a solvent that will clean dried SVO. Kerosene and 5 minutes of rubbing per square inch almost works. From michael.chrestensen at biogenidec.com Fri Jun 9 17:02:43 2006 From: michael.chrestensen at biogenidec.com (Michael Chrestensen) Date: Fri Jun 9 14:58:01 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Mike C is out, will return Tuesday 6/13 Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 06/06/2006 and will not return until 06/13/2006. For AE Issues see Tammy Burnett, Sean Stonham, or Anita Kretchman For PC questions contact Kyle Mikulis or Therese Danskin For mail issues contact Lucretia Chapman For Reconciliation Report questions contact Olisa Corcoran From perkinsfam at yahoo.com Fri Jun 9 15:10:33 2006 From: perkinsfam at yahoo.com (Brian Perkins) Date: Fri Jun 9 16:05:38 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] methanol Message-ID: <20060609211033.92896.qmail@web60319.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I'm kind of in a crunch. Is there anyone in the Triad (Greensboro, High Point, Winston-Salem) area who would sell me 10+ gallons of methanol this weekend? Thanks! Brian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hogarth at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 03:38:03 2006 From: hogarth at gmail.com (Susan Hogarth) Date: Sat Jun 10 01:33:06 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Pictures and vid form last week's workday Message-ID: <3889aa560606092338y2001843fhc55c0a74491f2ede@mail.gmail.com> Enjoy! http://www.colliething.com/2006/06/piedmont-biofuels-workday.html (don't forget to check out all the pics in the link toward the end of the post) -- Susan Hogarth http://www.colliething.com From mattr at biofuels.coop Tue Jun 13 14:26:06 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Tue Jun 13 13:06:23 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Benefit Concert - Friday June 16th Message-ID: <08CE590D-215D-44C7-9703-60FC626CE949@biofuels.coop> So either you love the Smiths, you love the idea of biodiesel, you want to learn more about either (or both). Nonetheless, The Shanklys are back in action and the Moz?s new cause is Piedmont Biofuels Coop (located just outside of Pittsboro, but they have fuel pumps in YOUR town!). It?s the 20th anniversary of the release of The Queen is Dead album, and we will be rocking close to 20 songs in honor of the timeless treasure. DJ Canon, of Modern Life, will be filling in all the extra dance time pre and post band with British music sure to make you move. The show is a cheap $3 and is going to be NONSMOKING! Where: Local 506, Downtown Chapel Hill When: Friday, June 16th at 10pm http://www.local506.com/ http://www.biofuels.coop/ From mattr at biofuels.coop Tue Jun 13 17:47:07 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Tue Jun 13 16:09:51 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Log Rounds Wanted Message-ID: Piedmont Biofuels is looking to take delivery of a load of large rounds of hardwood for firewood. We would be happy to take whole rounds and cut and split the wood ourselves to be used as firewood for next winter. If you have log rounds available for delivery please contact matt@biofuels.coop. Thanks, Matt Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From bknighton at nc.rr.com Tue Jun 13 22:07:11 2006 From: bknighton at nc.rr.com (Bill Knighton) Date: Tue Jun 13 20:02:10 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] buying a community garden to prevent it from being turned into a warehouse In-Reply-To: <84a57a420605301423t22b21c43nd0623a43071c08ee@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420605301423t22b21c43nd0623a43071c08ee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <448F613F.4010900@nc.rr.com> This might be a little off topic, but maybe not. What they are doing seems similar to the co-op. There is a 14 acre community garden in L.A. The city sold it and it's to be bulldozed and a warehouse put in it's place. WRAL, AP and others ran a story about it online but the obvious failing of their coverage was that it has a web site and you can pay-pal them a donation to help them in their attempt to buy it. If they can't come up with the funds then your donation will be returned. This seems an ideal method for funding a project and nobody is forced to participate if it's something they don't value. The nbc station in LA says they are close to meeting the asking price. There are some more pessimistic reports that the owner will not sell it to them at any price, though. Biofuel activists* *Daryl Hannah and Will Nelson are involved. http://www.southcentralfarmers.org http://www.nbc4.tv/news/9356817/detail.html From john.bonitz at gmail.com Wed Jun 14 12:21:05 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Wed Jun 14 10:15:51 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] some stuff of possible interest at local auction Message-ID: <84a57a420606140821x5afb772dg18ae534eea0a2a9b@mail.gmail.com> I saw an auction flyer at a Pittsboro diner yesterday, and noticed some stuff that might be of interest to this list. Among other stuff, there is a "Vac-a-way seed cleaner" and a diesel powered John Deere Gator (6x4) w/ dump bed. The gator could be real helpful for a farm or landscape business, hauling mulch, compost, manure a couple yards at a time. Lots of big earthmoving gear too. The auction is in Eli Whitney, Saturday, June 24 at 10am. 7354 Lindley Mill Rd. From Siler City you'd take Silk Hope Rd north about 12 miles. From Graham, go south on 87 about 8 miles, turn left onto Lindley Mill Rd, go another ~5 miles. Sorry, the auctioneer doesn't have his flyer posted on his website: www.garylenox.org -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From mattr at biofuels.coop Wed Jun 14 19:16:51 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Wed Jun 14 21:56:01 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Weaver Street Fundraiser Message-ID: Hey Gang, We are scheduled to do a burrito dinner fundraiser a Weaver Street Market on July 6th. Setup begins at 4pm and dinner begins at 5:30. There will be live music on the lawn. Should be a really awesome time. We are making bean and grilled veggie burritos for the main dish, with a couple of veggie sides and possibly a rice or pasta side. We will also be making up some awesome salsas from our produce garden. Basically I need 2-3 volunteers to help me cook that morning, two shifts of 4 people to cook and serve dinner, and 1 or 2 volunteers to run an information and tchatch (merchandise) table. If you are interested in helping out please email me. I also need loads of volunteers for the Eno River Festival, July 1,2 and 4, so don't fret if you can't do this one. An email soliciting volunteers for the Eno River Festival will go out shortly. Those that can do both get extra special bonus points. Matt Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Jun 15 10:59:48 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Jun 15 08:54:30 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel beetle for sale Message-ID: <2697AC16-C0DF-4A3A-8FDF-688FF96C790F@blast.com> Hi Rachel...just wondering if you could put the word out about a beetle I have for sale.... Its a 2000 tdi automatic ....new 100k timing belt kit...and freshly cleaned intake....it's high mileage(200,000) but runs great...I'm asking 6,900 negotiable .....my number is 919 545 6576.....thanks.....Jimmy b' Please contact jimmy for questions. From john.bonitz at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 12:29:45 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu Jun 15 10:24:27 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] cleaning dried SVO Message-ID: <84a57a420606150829md664aa2vbe684577dbb074c@mail.gmail.com> I find biodiesel works really well. I've heard that glycerol works, too, but have no experience with that. The longer it can soak, the better. Try laying a rag soaked in B100. -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From mattr at biofuels.coop Thu Jun 15 13:46:29 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Thu Jun 15 12:34:07 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Volunteers Needed: Eno River Festival Message-ID: <213DE34F-B293-4572-AD89-288EB69B1506@biofuels.coop> Want a free pass to the Eno River Festival? This year Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative will be an integral part of the Eno River Festival and we are looking for serious volunteer help to keep things running smoothly. We will have our normal tchatch and information booth down by the life size chess set. We also will be collecting waste vegetable oil from the food vendors with our Declaration of Energy Independence grease hauling trailer. Finally, we will be on the official schedule for daily biodiesel workshops with our mobile Clean Tech trailer at 1pm. We are looking for three volunteers to fill a morning and an afternoon shift each day at the information booth. The morning shift goes from 8am to 1pm, and the afternoon shift is from 1pm-6pm. Dates for the festival are July 1,2 and 4 (not the 3rd). Volunteers get a free day pass to the festival. If you are interested in volunteering please email Matt as soon as possible with the day and shift you are interested in volunteering for. If you are interested in catching the clean tech demonstration I would suggest volunteering a morning shift so you will be off in time to see the demonstration which is in a different location. Thanks! Matt Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From taterpatch at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 17:22:16 2006 From: taterpatch at gmail.com (Randall Hayes) Date: Thu Jun 15 15:16:55 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] recommendations? Message-ID: <63311b250606151322l508fc683x33b88e2e99339504@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'm looking for a used diesel to get me back and forth to work (~10 miles each way), and eventually to do a conversion on. I just moved to Greensboro about three weeks ago, so I don't know the area. Can anyone recommend good local dealers and/or mechanics? Thanks, Randall Hayes From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Jun 15 22:58:05 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Jun 15 20:52:48 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] recommendations? In-Reply-To: <63311b250606151322l508fc683x33b88e2e99339504@mail.gmail.com> References: <63311b250606151322l508fc683x33b88e2e99339504@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2969F14A-C9DF-4B05-BADC-693092DF6364@blast.com> Randall, Try our FAQ for finding diesel vehicles: http://biofuels.coop/vehicles.shtml Good luck! Rachel Burton Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 rachel@biofuels.coop On Jun 15, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Randall Hayes wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a used diesel to get me back and forth to work (~10 > miles each way), and eventually to do a conversion on. I just moved > to Greensboro about three weeks ago, so I don't know the area. Can > anyone recommend good local dealers and/or mechanics? > > Thanks, > Randall Hayes > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From john.bonitz at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 14:37:38 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Fri Jun 16 12:32:15 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: 86 Ford Diesel 3/4 ton fixer/parts truck Message-ID: <84a57a420606161037w179fae36p15e90261b2da31f4@mail.gmail.com> No problem, I'll post it. Wish I had some cash cause it sounds good. Best wishes, John P.S. Anyone interested in this truck, please contact Mark Stinson directly. The truck is located in Chatham County. Mark's quite an interesting fellow, with many tales to tell, having bodily survived four lightning strikes. Nice guy, too. On 6/16/06, Mark Stinson wrote: > I have an 86 Ford Diesel 3/4 ton (heavy duty like a one ton ). The truck was > driven daily and parked one night, it didn't start the next morning. > Someone assumed it jumped timing and removed the water pump and timing cover > plate to find it has GEARS and is in perfect time. I have looked it over > and I believe it has a fuel delivery problem. He stated it would try to > start with either and I believe the fuel shutoff solenoid failed. Either > way, It has a 4 speed transmission, heavy duty rear, fair body, the > engine should be fine with a little tlc. The tires are new on the front and > like new on the rear, for sale as parts or possibly a fixer. I want > $950 negotiable for the truck. I called Marsh Auto and they get > $1000 for an engine core, and $750 for the same transmission and near $800 > for the rear alone so its a good buy, parts wise. > Email: stinmar1@connectnc.net > Phone: 919 837 6576 From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com Fri Jun 16 12:22:28 2006 From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl mark) Date: Fri Jun 16 13:17:04 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: 86 Ford Diesel 3/4 ton fixer/parts truck In-Reply-To: <84a57a420606161037w179fae36p15e90261b2da31f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420606161037w179fae36p15e90261b2da31f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4492F6E4.20301@localb100.com> Fuel Shutoff solenoids do tend to go bad in these engines. They're pretty cheap to replace (midwest fuel injection's website has them for about $80 . MWFI also has rebuilt injection pumps if that's the problem instead, about $350 for this engine). Mark John Bonitz wrote: > No problem, I'll post it. Wish I had some cash cause it sounds good. > Best wishes, > John > > P.S. > Anyone interested in this truck, please contact Mark Stinson directly. > The truck is located in Chatham County. Mark's quite an interesting > fellow, with many tales to tell, having bodily survived four lightning > strikes. Nice guy, too. > > On 6/16/06, Mark Stinson wrote: > >> I have an 86 Ford Diesel 3/4 ton (heavy duty like a one ton ). The >> truck was >> driven daily and parked one night, it didn't start the next morning. >> Someone assumed it jumped timing and removed the water pump and >> timing cover >> plate to find it has GEARS and is in perfect time. I have looked it >> over >> and I believe it has a fuel delivery problem. He stated it would try to >> start with either and I believe the fuel shutoff solenoid failed. Either >> way, It has a 4 speed transmission, heavy duty rear, fair body, the >> engine should be fine with a little tlc. The tires are new on the >> front and >> like new on the rear, for sale as parts or possibly a fixer. I want >> $950 negotiable for the truck. I called Marsh Auto and they get >> $1000 for an engine core, and $750 for the same transmission and near >> $800 >> for the rear alone so its a good buy, parts wise. >> Email: stinmar1@connectnc.net >> Phone: 919 837 6576 > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From mattr at biofuels.coop Fri Jun 16 18:06:17 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Fri Jun 16 16:24:03 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] tonight's show Message-ID: <8EE6C038-ED85-44C2-9CEB-67D129330234@biofuels.coop> Hey Guys, I wanted to let everyone know that just before the fundraiser music show begins tonight we will have a special first screening of the 8- minute documentary short "Home Brew" by Andjelia Barton. Andjelia is a student in a course in documentary film at the Center for Documentary Studies at Duke University that focused on Chatham County for a series of short films. The films were shown Wednesday night at Farrington House, but Home Brew, which documents the work of Piedmont Biofuels could not show due to technical difficulties. So please come out and see the film, support Piedmont, and stay for the music. The film should start around 9:45. Matt Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com Fri Jun 16 14:32:04 2006 From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl mark) Date: Fri Jun 16 17:28:29 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Coop Conference, July 14-16, Colorado, partial listing of presenters Message-ID: <44931544.5090005@localb100.com> Local Biodiesel: A Biodiesel Co-ops Conference, July 14-16, Golden, Colorado Colorado School of Mines www.b100.org Topics to be presented include the following: -Methanol recovery for homebrewers (Maud Essen and Terry Zeman, St Louis Biofuels Club, Missouri) -Disposal of Sidestreams: Wash Water, Magnesol, and Glycerine (Matt Rudolph, Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative, North Carolina) -Cold Weather Strategies for Biodiesel Users (panel discussion) -Biodiesel Distribution Experiences (panel discussion including Kai Curry of Biodiesel Blue Distribution, Minnesota, and members of Biofuel Oasis, California) -Gas Chromatography Testing of Biodiesel (Bob Armantrout, Rocky Mountain Biodiesel) -Excise Tax and Legal Issues Affecting Small-scale Production of biodiesel (panel discussions) -Biodiesel Calculator and Batch Tracking Software demo (Rick Harrison, http://omahametropsd.org/bdcalc/Index.htm ) -Magnesol and other washing alternatives (presenter TBA) -Quality Testing and Quality Control factors (Maria 'Mark' Alovert, www.biodieselcommunity.org) -Involving Women In Your Biodiesel Group (Maria 'Mark' Alovert, www.biodieselcommunity.org) -Oil Collection Strategies (presenter TBA) -Feedstock and competion for WVO- Co-op strategies ? (presenter TBA) -Working with Volunteers (Matt Rudolph, Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative, and others) -Case Studies presentations from biodiesel educational, homebrewing, and distribution co-ops and groups : NW Biofuels Network (Washington), St Louis Biofuels Club (St Louis, MO), Berkeley Biodiesel Collective (California), Breathable Bus Coalition (Washington), Alameda Biodiesel Coop (California), Boulder Biodiesel (CO), Wilson College biodiesel group (Pennsylvania), Yoderville Biodiesel Coop (Iowa), Austin Biodiesel Coop (Texas) Biofuel Oasis (California) -other presentations and participants to be announced -In addition to the formal presentations, we'll have some mini-workshops and lunchtime 'discussion tables' to assist in networking (for example, cafeteria tables labeled by region or specific topics, so you can meet others from your region or area of interest) Conference logistics: Price: $60 registration, includes breakfast and lunch on the 15th and 16th We still have a few dorm room accommodations available for $22 per night. To register for the conference please see www.b100.org. To connect with others from your area who are traveling to the conference please see www.b100.org/rideboard (Golden, CO, is near Denver) Speakers: if you would like to do a presentation at this event, or facilitate a discussion/panel/lunch table discussion, please email us. contact info: conference@b100.org From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Jun 19 12:45:04 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Jun 19 10:39:26 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] White House Honors Biodiesel Users With CTC Awards Message-ID: <83E83F6F-5C9E-4715-ABB1-4B4BC705C14C@blast.com> The National Biodiesel Board (NBB) recently announced that the White House presented its "Closing the Circle" (CTC) environmental awards at a ceremony earlier this week, with three of the recipients being honored for their use of B20, a blend of 20 percent biodiesel and 80 percent standard petroleum diesel. According to NBB, the Department of Defense's Naval Station in Great Lakes, IL was recognized for its "Base Support Transportation Team." NBB noted that the Naval Station is currently in the process of building an onsite biodiesel fueling facility and plans to begin using B20 in 152 vehicles this summer. Additionally, the Department of Energy's Green Fleet Team was honored for its petroleum fuel reduction efforts through the use of B20 at its Sandia National Lab in Albuquerque, NM; Idaho National Lab in Idaho Falls, ID; and Pantex Facility in Amarillo, TX. The third honoree -- the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) -- was recognized for nearly tripling its use of biodiesel from approximately 417,790 gasoline gallon equivalents (GGE) in FY 00 to 1.1 million GGE in FY 05. USPS also initiated a Fleet Testing and Evaluation of Biodiesel Fuel Blends and Fuel System project designed to evaluate biodiesel and its enhanced lubricity in terms of mechanical wear of engine components, compatibility with non-metal engine items, solvent action, deposit-forming tendencies, and corrosive potential against the effects of conventional on-road diesel fuel. Contact: Jenna Higgins, NBB, phone 800-841-5849. From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Jun 19 12:47:33 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Jun 19 10:41:55 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Chevron, Georgia Tech Form $12 Million Biofuels Research Alliance Message-ID: <8FAEBC3B-E1F2-4DB0-A8BE-F7CE7277FD7E@blast.com> Georgia Tech has formed a research partnership with Chevron Corp. to investigate technology to make cellulosic biofuels and hydrogen viable transportation fuels. Chevron Technology Ventures, a subsidiary of San Ramon, Calif.-based Chevron (NYSE: CVX), will work with Georgia Tech's Strategic Energy Institute and contribute up to $12 million over five years for research into and development of the emerging energy technologies. The joint research will focus on developing commercially viable processes to make transportation fuels from renewable resources such as forests and agricultural waste. The alliance will focus its research on production of cellulosic biofuels, understanding the characteristics of biofuel feedstocks, developing regenerative sorbents and improving sorbents used to produce high-purity hydrogen. The partners said this is an important advancement over first-generation biofuels such as ethanol and biodiesel, which are made from agricultural crops such as corn, sugarcane and soybeans. http://biobased.org/list2.php?storyid=9414 From hogarth at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 01:26:49 2006 From: hogarth at gmail.com (Susan Hogarth) Date: Mon Jun 19 23:21:08 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] OT: Malian Nut Sheller footage Message-ID: <3889aa560606192126sfab81f9x9601286e37c296dc@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps a bit off-topic, but we did have a Nut Sheller demo at the Piedmont Biofuels Coop a few months' ago. It also has a great pedal-driven winnowing fan, which we could have used when harvesting and threshing the mustard a few weeks ago :) http://www.colliething.com/2006/06/wilmington-visit.html and, mostly unrelated, I couldn't resist a short vid of Bill talking about using a lathe at the Full Belly Project (makers of the Nut Sheller) for threading: http://www.colliething.com/2006/06/threading-on-lathe-bill-discusses-how.html -- Susan Hogarth http://www.colliething.com From dentonconrad at netzero.net Tue Jun 20 09:57:04 2006 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad) Date: Tue Jun 20 07:52:09 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Ethanol sounds sweet to sugar producers Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20060620085624.01c868d8@pop.netzero.net> Ethanol sounds sweet to sugar producers - http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/06/19/sugar.ethanol.ap/index.html From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Jun 21 00:18:52 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Jun 20 22:13:04 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Earth Biofuels to Acquire Majority Stake in NC Ethanol Company Message-ID: Earth Biofuels, Inc. recently announced that its subsidiary Earth Ethanol, Inc. has signed a letter of intent to acquire a 51- percent equity interest in Albemarle Biorefinery, Inc. (ABR), a subsidiary of DFI Group, Inc. ABR intends to build a new ethanol facility in Jamesville, NC. "The signing of this letter of intent is consistent with the company's intention to expand into the Southeast region of the United States and marks a significant milestone in our short-term development plan," said Earth Biofuels CEO Dennis McLaughlin. "When completed, this facility will be ideally positioned to provide ethanol fuel to several large markets along the Eastern seaboard from Atlanta, GA to Washington, DC." Upon completion of the development plan's second phase, which is planned for "the very near future," Earth Biofuels said the plant is expected to have a minimum capacity of 100 million gallons of ethanol per year. Contact: Doug Jones, Earth Biofuels, phone 214-389-9800. From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Jun 21 09:03:56 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Jun 21 06:58:05 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Plant Opens In Berlin, MD Message-ID: <8087F6EA-3384-488F-86A3-7B0FAF8453C5@blast.com> Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:47:53 +0000 Maryland gets its first biodiesel plant today with the opening of a production facility on Route 50 in Berlin. It's being operated by James Warren, the owner of Cropper Oil and Gas. He says he already has orders for a half million gallons of the fuel. The mix is 80 percent diesel fuel and 20 percent soybean oil. The fuel can be used to power diesel engines or most oil home-heating systems. Advocates say it's less toxic and cleaner burning. From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Wed Jun 21 15:21:59 2006 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark J Ambrose) Date: Wed Jun 21 09:16:14 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Piedmont Cofounder in the News Message-ID: <20060621142159.8268.fh065.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> King of B moves Biofuel enthusiasm propels a blog and a book G.D. Gearino, Staff Writer PITTSBORO - Lyle Estill, a Canadian transplant-turned-entrepreneur, has hit a 21st century trifecta: His bets on biofuels, blogs and blooks all seem to be paying off. Read the whole story at: http://www.newsobserver.com/105/story/452940.html WANT TO READ ESTILL'S BLOG? You can find it at http://energy.biofuels.coop/ From rixdobbs at hotmail.com Wed Jun 21 18:46:19 2006 From: rixdobbs at hotmail.com (rix dobbs) Date: Wed Jun 21 12:40:33 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Cracking plastics into biodeisel Message-ID: Last month Clyvia Technology GmbH (Wegberg, Germany); edlinks.che.com/5830-548 a fully owned subsidiary of Clyvia Inc. Las Vegas, NV was granted a German patent for its proprietary fractional depolymerization process for converting waste material into heating oil and diesel fuel. The process uses waste oil, detergent oil, and plastics in a procedure that is similar to cracking crude oil. A pilot facility is under construction at Wegberg-Wildenrath Germany and is slated to start-up this month. Rix Dobbs www.brewmasterstore.com 919-430-0662 From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Jun 21 16:44:06 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Jun 21 15:36:17 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] EMA Adopts Test Specifications for Biodiesel Fuel Blend Message-ID: <48C647CC-086B-43F7-AD6E-BE1473003E2E@blast.com> The National Biodiesel Board (NBB) recently announced that the Engine Manufacturers Association (EMA) has approved test specifications for biodiesel blends of up to 20 percent by volume (B20) to ensure that engine manufacturers will have fuel with consistent properties for engine testing and evaluation. According to EMA, the specifications require that pure biodiesel (B100) meets the ASTM International standard D6751 or the European EN14214 standard prior to blending. Fuel users are also encouraged to obtain biodiesel from sources known to produce quality fuels that meet these specifications. "By approving these specifications, EMA is acknowledging the growing demand and use of B20 by customers all over the country," said NBB chief executive officer Joe Jobe. "While many original equipment manufacturers, or OEMs, have taken positive steps toward B20 approval, EMA's actions are a huge step toward national biodiesel blend fuel standards that will enhance fuel quality measures and increase acceptance of B20." NBB noted that while EMA's testing specification is not an approved national standard, both NBB and EMA support the development and approval of ASTM standards for blends of B20 and lower. "EMA's testing specification for B20 and lower blends is not meant to replace the blended fuel standards currently making their way through ASTM," said NBB technical director Steve Howell. "However, some engine manufacturers and users may choose to use it that way while ASTM is going through the ballot process." Contact: Amber Thurlo Pearson, NBB, phone 800-841-5849. From aibodkin at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 18:29:26 2006 From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin) Date: Wed Jun 21 16:23:37 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? Message-ID: I remember back in the 90's there was a push to get ethanol at the pumps. The "Flying J" actually carried it for awhile... if I recall it must have been early to mid 90's. So my question is what happened to it? And how come we are only now hearing about vehicles that are "Dual Fuel"? Weren't the cars back in the early 90's "ready" for "dual fuel"? And if not why was ethanol even being pushed as an alternative? thoughts? Thanks, Andy From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Wed Jun 21 22:02:29 2006 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark Ambrose) Date: Wed Jun 21 19:56:44 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4499EC25.1010207@alumni.princeton.edu> Ordinary gasoline engines can run on gasoline-ethanol blends of up to about 15-25% (I may be off a bit on these percentages) ethanol. Those relatively low ethanol blends were what was promoted after the 1st energy crisis in the 70's and 80's. Ethanol never took off because after the oil embergo ended, gasoline was cheaper than ethanol. So it was only widely used in very low percentages as an additive to get the fuel to burn more cleanly (when MBTE wasn't used). Since then, the technology for distilling ethanol has iomporved to bring the price down while gasoline has gone up, to ethanol is being promoted again. What is sort of silly about the promotion of flex-fuel vehicles and E85 is that we are not going to be anywhere close to producing enough ethanol to get the majority of cars running on E85 anytime soon. Rather than creating special E85 pumps that can only be used by flex-fuel vehicles, it would make more sense to do what Brazil did -- set (or encourage) a 10% ethanol standard for all regular gasoline. As domestic ethanol production increses, raise the proportion of ethanol at all the pumps. By the time we are producing enough ethanol so that the standard can be set higher than what a typical (non-dual-fuel) car can use, most of the nation's fleet will be newer cars that can run on E85. -- Mark A Bodkin wrote: > I remember back in the 90's there was a push to get ethanol at the > pumps. The "Flying J" actually carried it for awhile... if I recall it > must have been early to mid 90's. So my question is what happened to > it? And how come we are only now hearing about vehicles that are "Dual > Fuel"? Weren't the cars back in the early 90's "ready" for "dual > fuel"? And if not why was ethanol even being pushed as an alternative? > > thoughts? > > > Thanks, > Andy > > From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com Thu Jun 22 09:38:38 2006 From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl) Date: Thu Jun 22 07:33:27 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC066E45@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Andy, If I recall correctly, Ethanol surfaced during the Carter administration, during the last oil crisis. I remember long lines at the pumps. It seems that the Ethanol ate through the hoses of vehicles. I'm sure after that crisis, things went back to normal, we once again had cheap gas, so Ethanol went bye bye... Not sure how correct my memory is, but that's the way I remember it. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of A Bodkin Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:29 PM To: BIG Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? I remember back in the 90's there was a push to get ethanol at the pumps. The "Flying J" actually carried it for awhile... if I recall it must have been early to mid 90's. So my question is what happened to it? And how come we are only now hearing about vehicles that are "Dual Fuel"? Weren't the cars back in the early 90's "ready" for "dual fuel"? And if not why was ethanol even being pushed as an alternative? thoughts? Thanks, Andy _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Jun 22 10:42:20 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Jun 22 08:36:32 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Local TN City Converts Transit Fleet to Biodiesel Message-ID: <3C358310-DC93-4116-94CD-8C3230C2B2D7@blast.com> Johnson City, TN recently announced that its Motor Transport Division has begun using B5, a blend of five percent biodiesel and 95 percent low-sulfur diesel, in its entire 325-vehicle fleet. "Johnson City has the second largest diesel fleet in Northeast Tennessee," said city manager Pete Peterson. "We use 458,000 gallons of diesel fuel annually. We have an obligation to our citizens to protect all of our assets, particularly our environment, to the greatest extent possible." Johnson City motor transport director Tim Henley noted that the city plans to gradually increase to the use of a 20-percent biodiesel fuel blend by the end of the year, allowing time for the vehicles to adapt to the alternative fuel's lubricant and engine-cleaning properties. While the cost of B5 is approximately one-half to one cent higher than standard diesel, Henley said "the advantages outweigh that slight difference." Contact: Pete Peterson, Johnson City, phone 423-434-6002. From tobin at tjcog.org Thu Jun 22 11:49:51 2006 From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid) Date: Thu Jun 22 09:46:32 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? References: <4499EC25.1010207@alumni.princeton.edu> Message-ID: <007c01c6960b$26cf3c00$1800a8c0@cleancities> Any car can use up to 10% ethanol blend. Anything over that requires a flex fuel vehicle. Stations are not required to label E10 (as they were in the 70s) so you could be putting it in your vehicle and not even know it. Most of the Crown stations in Raleigh sell E10 on a regular basis. Mark is correct that the two main reasons ethanol fell out of favor are the price after the oil crisis was over and the problems with the vehicle and infrastructure technology at the time. There were a lot of problems with water getting into the fuel blends and messing up people's cars. Ethanol got a bad name and is only really recovering from that now with the new push by auto manufacturers and the President's State of the Union address. As Mark mentioned, the technology has come a long way and things are much improved. Flex Fuel Vehicles (FFVs) capable of running on ethanol blends up to 85% have been around since the early 90s. In fact, most Federal, State, and Utility fleets were mandated to buy them by the Energy Policy Act EPact 1992. Unfortunately, the law didn't require the fleets to actually use the fuel, so the fleets and the auto manufacturers got credits for using and making "alternative fuel vehicles" but the impact was small because fuel use remained low. In last years Energy Policy Act 2005 mandated fleets must actually use the fuel in their vehicles. Many states are starting to implement 10% mandates and elsewhere there is a de facto 10% ethanol blend due to the phase out of MTBE. the result is that the price of ethanol is going up everywhere because supply has not caught up. In addition, the Energy Policy Act of 2005 mandates the use of 7.5 billion gallons annually of renewable fuels (ethanol and biodiesel) by 2012. We have a long way to go before we reach that goal. I disagree that it does not make sense to put in E85 pumps now. We have to begin building this infrastructure because it takes a long time to put in place. E85 tanks and pumps can also hold E10 and even 100% gasoline, so if the demand or supply is not there for E85, that infrastructure can still be used. What should be mandated, if anything, is that all new gas tanks/pumps installed must be E85 compliant. That way we will be ready when the supply is ready. And because you can't use anything higher than 10% ethanol in non-FFVs, that makes it very difficult to gradually increase the percentage of ethanol in fuel unless everyone is driving FFVs. Tobin L. Freid Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment Triangle J Council of Governments (919) 558-9400 -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Ambrose" To: "A Bodkin" Cc: "BIG" Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? > Ordinary gasoline engines can run on gasoline-ethanol blends of up to > about 15-25% (I may be off a bit on these percentages) ethanol. Those > relatively low ethanol blends were what was promoted after the 1st energy > crisis in the 70's and 80's. Ethanol never took off because after the oil > embergo ended, gasoline was cheaper than ethanol. So it was only widely > used in very low percentages as an additive to get the fuel to burn more > cleanly (when MBTE wasn't used). > > Since then, the technology for distilling ethanol has iomporved to bring > the price down while gasoline has gone up, to ethanol is being promoted > again. > > What is sort of silly about the promotion of flex-fuel vehicles and E85 is > that we are not going to be anywhere close to producing enough ethanol to > get the majority of cars running on E85 anytime soon. Rather than > creating special E85 pumps that can only be used by flex-fuel vehicles, it > would make more sense to do what Brazil did -- set (or encourage) a 10% > ethanol standard for all regular gasoline. As domestic ethanol production > increses, raise the proportion of ethanol at all the pumps. By the time > we are producing enough ethanol so that the standard can be set higher > than what a typical (non-dual-fuel) car can use, most of the nation's > fleet will be newer cars that can run on E85. > > -- Mark > > A Bodkin wrote: > >> I remember back in the 90's there was a push to get ethanol at the >> pumps. The "Flying J" actually carried it for awhile... if I recall it >> must have been early to mid 90's. So my question is what happened to >> it? And how come we are only now hearing about vehicles that are "Dual >> Fuel"? Weren't the cars back in the early 90's "ready" for "dual >> fuel"? And if not why was ethanol even being pushed as an alternative? >> >> thoughts? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Andy >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From Patrick.Long at colfaxcorp.com Thu Jun 22 12:06:52 2006 From: Patrick.Long at colfaxcorp.com (Long, Patrick) Date: Thu Jun 22 10:01:29 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? Message-ID: Since we are on the topic of ethanol, does anyone have any experience running blends of E85 and higher in a Briggs and Sratton 4 horse power push mower. It looks like only blends of E10 and lower are approved for use. I believe the carb is plastic, and I wasn't sure about any other detrimental effects (pre-ignition, etc) ethanol might have on a small motor. Thanks for any input Patrick ----------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete it from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. From rixdobbs at hotmail.com Thu Jun 22 18:10:45 2006 From: rixdobbs at hotmail.com (rix dobbs) Date: Thu Jun 22 12:05:00 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What modifications are needed to a fuel injected engine to run on ethanol? Message-ID: Running biodiesel in a diesel engine is simple - no mods needed. Running Straight Vegetable oil in a diesel car usually involves a second tank and modifying the coolant line to preheat the SVO tank and fuel line before cutting over since it's thicker than diesel - I'm told. Running ethanol [190 proof or higher] in a carbureted gasoline engine involves enlarging the jets about double since ethanol has half the chemical energy of gasoline - volume for volume. That means half the fuel economy. That means each gallon of ethanol needs to be half the cost of gasoline to be on par with it for economic utility. Correct me if I'm wrong. Running ethanol [190 proof or higher] in a fuel injected gasoline engine surely needs some modifications to get equivalent power of gasoline. What are they? Anybody know how this works? How the dual fuel vehicles do it? Much thanks in advance. Rix Dobbs 919-430-0662 www.brewmasterstore.com From vsummers at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 22 14:22:14 2006 From: vsummers at bellsouth.net (Veronica Summers) Date: Thu Jun 22 12:16:29 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Discovery Channel documentary explores biofuels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060622172218.SWTT3464.ibm60aec.bellsouth.net@YOUR0944CBA8B9> On June 24 10pm ET/PT the Discovery Channel will premiere Addicted to Oil, a one-hour documentary reported by Pulitzer Prize-winning foreign affairs columnist, Thomas L. Friedman on the host of energy related issues America is facing, from the funding of terrorist supporters through our gasoline purchases, to strengthening our economy through innovative technology. Addicted to Oil examines a wide variety of developments taking place across the energy spectrum, including flex-fuel vehicles that run on biofuels such as ethanol. Veronica Summers From evan at biofuels.coop Thu Jun 22 14:33:34 2006 From: evan at biofuels.coop (Evan Ashworth) Date: Thu Jun 22 12:38:55 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What modifications are needed to a fuel injected engine to run on ethanol? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2aed66c3ff214858337a5440e72dc66c@biofuels.coop> The figures I've seen on the comparative energy content/mileage of ethanol indicated that you get about 70% of the mileage that you'd see on gasoline. I don't think it's quite as bad as 50%. Flex Fuel Vehicles have lower mileage when running E85. E85 is, fortunately, quite a bit cheaper most places it's offered. So more frequent fill-ups at less money per fill. -Evan Piedmont Biofuels On Jun 22, 2006, at 1:10 PM, rix dobbs wrote: > Running biodiesel in a diesel engine is simple - no mods needed. > > Running Straight Vegetable oil in a diesel car usually involves a > second tank and modifying the coolant line to preheat the SVO tank and > fuel line before cutting over since it's thicker than diesel - I'm > told. > > Running ethanol [190 proof or higher] in a carbureted gasoline engine > involves enlarging the jets about double since ethanol has half the > chemical energy of gasoline - volume for volume. That means half the > fuel economy. That means each gallon of ethanol needs to be half the > cost of gasoline to be on par with it for economic utility. Correct me > if I'm wrong. > > Running ethanol [190 proof or higher] in a fuel injected gasoline > engine surely needs some modifications to get equivalent power of > gasoline. What are they? Anybody know how this works? How the dual > fuel vehicles do it? Much thanks in advance. > > Rix Dobbs 919-430-0662 > www.brewmasterstore.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From mattr at biofuels.coop Thu Jun 22 17:15:10 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Thu Jun 22 15:43:48 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Cape Fears Biofuels Fundraiser Evening Message-ID: * "CAPE FEAR BIOFUELS: THE FUTURE IS HERE", June 22nd at Corporate Canvas Art Gallery 107 South Front Street in Downtown Wilmington, NC - 6:00 to 9:00 pm. Tickets are $10.00 in advance and $12.00 at the door. http://www.capefearbiofuels.com/events.html From dentonconrad at netzero.net Fri Jun 23 08:42:23 2006 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad) Date: Fri Jun 23 06:37:45 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Super ethanol is on its way Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20060623074139.00c501c8@pop.netzero.net> Super ethanol is on its way - "The next generation of this biomass fuel could be cheaper, more plentiful and arriving sooner than you think." http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/21/news/economy/cellulose_ethanol/index.htm From dentonconrad at netzero.net Fri Jun 23 10:29:09 2006 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad) Date: Fri Jun 23 08:30:10 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Cellulosic biomass to ethanol Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20060623091852.00c473e8@pop.netzero.net> "The key element of Celunol's technology is genetically engineered strains of Escherichia coli bacteria that are capable of fermenting into ethanol essentially all of the sugars released from all types of cellulosic biomass." http://www.celunol.com/technology.htm This facility was supposed to be in production by 2000. From john.bonitz at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 12:53:48 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Fri Jun 23 10:47:59 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] nano-tech biodiesel reactor Message-ID: <84a57a420606230853n35fb3cci216a0e51dff4e841@mail.gmail.com> This is the best description I've yet to see about the nanotech biodiesel reactor. I'm curious to hear more about the total energy cost comparison of this method and the conventional methoxide reaction. I'm guessing it might be expensive to create all those little micro-tubes and crystals. And how do you force a viscous soy-oil feedstock through such small tubes? Will it work with other feedstocks? -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ******************************* Better method developed to make biodiesel by: Jonathan Jay Gibian Iowa State University scientists say they are using chemistry and nanotechnology to create a better way to make biodiesel by using tiny nanospheres. The research, led by Associate Chemistry Professor Victor Lin, is supported by a $1.8 million, three-year grant from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, a $120,000, two-year grant from the U.S. Department of Energy and a $140,000 grant from the Grow Iowa Values Fund. Current biodiesel production technology reacts soy oil with methanol using toxic, corrosive and flammable sodium methoxide as a catalyst, Lin said. Getting biodiesel from that chemical mix requires acid neutralization, water washes and separation steps in a tedious process. So Lin and his team developed a nanotechnology that accurately controls the production of tiny, uniformly shaped silica particles. Running all the way through the particles are honeycombs of relatively large channels that can be filled with a catalyst that reacts with soybean oil to create biodiesel. The results, Lin says, include faster conversion to biodiesel, a catalyst that can be recycled and elimination of the wash step in the production process. From pcantrell at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 14:10:12 2006 From: pcantrell at gmail.com (Paul S Cantrell) Date: Fri Jun 23 12:04:18 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What modifications are needed to a fuel injected engine to run on ethanol? In-Reply-To: <2aed66c3ff214858337a5440e72dc66c@biofuels.coop> References: <2aed66c3ff214858337a5440e72dc66c@biofuels.coop> Message-ID: A gallon of gasoline has about 125,000 BTU per gallon of volume. A gallon of Ethanol has 84,400 per gallon or 67.5% of gasoline. E85 has ~90,500 or 72.4%. E10 has 120,900 BTU or 96.7%. The rule of thumb is E100 is 2/3 of gasoline and E85 is 3/4. On 6/22/06, Evan Ashworth wrote: > The figures I've seen on the comparative energy content/mileage of > ethanol indicated that you get about 70% of the mileage that you'd see > on gasoline. I don't think it's quite as bad as 50%. > > Flex Fuel Vehicles have lower mileage when running E85. E85 is, > fortunately, quite a bit cheaper most places it's offered. So more > frequent fill-ups at less money per fill. > > -Evan > Piedmont Biofuels > > > On Jun 22, 2006, at 1:10 PM, rix dobbs wrote: > > > Running biodiesel in a diesel engine is simple - no mods needed. > > > > Running Straight Vegetable oil in a diesel car usually involves a > > second tank and modifying the coolant line to preheat the SVO tank and > > fuel line before cutting over since it's thicker than diesel - I'm > > told. > > > > Running ethanol [190 proof or higher] in a carbureted gasoline engine > > involves enlarging the jets about double since ethanol has half the > > chemical energy of gasoline - volume for volume. That means half the > > fuel economy. That means each gallon of ethanol needs to be half the > > cost of gasoline to be on par with it for economic utility. Correct me > > if I'm wrong. > > > > Running ethanol [190 proof or higher] in a fuel injected gasoline > > engine surely needs some modifications to get equivalent power of > > gasoline. What are they? Anybody know how this works? How the dual > > fuel vehicles do it? Much thanks in advance. > > > > Rix Dobbs 919-430-0662 > > www.brewmasterstore.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison From tim_turner at ncsu.edu Fri Jun 23 14:31:25 2006 From: tim_turner at ncsu.edu (Tim Turner) Date: Fri Jun 23 12:25:28 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] running your pushmower on ethanol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2198.152.1.237.102.1151083885.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> Patrick, I ran my Briggs and Stratton mower for a summer on ethanol that I distilled myself. The ethanol was about 95% pure, the rest being water. I didn't do any modifications to the engine. The mower would not start using ethanol, so I primed it with gasoline. I put only ethanol in the gas tank. I found that there was a narrow range of throttle setting where the engine would run ok. It had some tendency to stall out if the mowing got heavy. The carburetor was plastic, and suffered no ill effects. The bulb to the primer pump, which is rubber, developed a crack and had to be replaced. After running that way for maybe four months, the engine began running roughly. I took out the spark plug, and it was covered with carbon. I then switched back to gasoline. I still put a little injector cleaner in with the gas, to try to clean out the carbon deposits in the engine. Other than that, the mower is still running two years later. I think that I got carbon deposits due to incomplete combustion. Since ethanol burns more slowly than gasoline, one should really advance the spark to give the ethanol more time to combust. I may modify my engine sometime to do that, but I don't know of a straightforward way to do it, other than changing the spark gap, which would only help a little. The mixture should really be adjusted as well. If anyone has tried a more sophisticated approach, I would be interested to hear about it. Anyway, that's what I know. The other side effect is that, after mowing the lawn, you will smell like you've been on three-day bender, during which time you rolled around in the grass! Tim > > Since we are on the topic of ethanol, does anyone have any experience > running blends of E85 and higher in a Briggs and Sratton 4 horse power > push > mower. It looks like only blends of E10 and lower are approved for use. I > believe the carb is plastic, and I wasn't sure about any other detrimental > effects (pre-ignition, etc) ethanol might have on a small motor. > > Thanks for any input > Patrick > > > ----------------------------------------- > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address > shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential > information. This information is intended only for the use of the > individual(s) or entity to whom it is intended even if addressed > incorrectly. Please delete it from your files if you are not the > intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Fri Jun 23 20:16:37 2006 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark J Ambrose) Date: Fri Jun 23 14:10:42 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel Emissions Questions Message-ID: <20060623191638.2476.fh030.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Has anyone seen any comparisons of pollution from diesel and gasoline engines? I have seen the stats on how biodiesel reduces pollution compared with petro-diesel. And I also know that diesels have been considered to be "dirty" compared with gas engines. I would like to try to do a rough comparison of the emissions of a car running on biodiesel with a typical gasoline engine car. I know that diesel emissions vary greatly depending on model and age, but I haven't been able to find ANY comparisons gasoline and diesel emissions broken down in terms of SO2, NOx, HC, CO, PM. (I have found info comparing greenhouse gas emissions.) The closest I got to a comparison was a table in a report on dieselnet.com, but I can't access it without subscribing. www.dieselnet.com/tech/emi_intro.html My interest in this is partly due to the new EPA diesel emissions regs coming into force soon and partly from noticing the soot deposited around the back of my car even when running on mostly biodiesel. I know that I am doing better in terms of greenhouse gases than I was in my old gasoline car, but am I doing better or worse in terms of the nasties that directly affect human health? Should I be thinking of getting a newer diesel (when I can afford it) that has a better emissions profile? Also, I noticed that the EPA is now promoting the retrofitting of older fleets of buses and trucks with PM filters and catalytic converters once the ULSD is rolled out nationwide. Does anyone know if it is a viable option to retrofit older diesel autos as well? -- Mark From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Fri Jun 23 20:57:56 2006 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark J Ambrose) Date: Fri Jun 23 14:52:00 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] I Found something!!! Message-ID: <20060623195757.11935.fh065.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Of course, as soon as I posted my questions, I found a diesel-gasoline emissions comparison. If anyone is interested, check out: http://www.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/deer_2002/session5/2002_deer_ahlvik.pdf All the abreviations can be a little confusing, and one wishes for the text of the talk that went with the slide presentation, but the take-home message I got was that: * for the models compared diesel emissions seem about as good as those of gasoline emissions except for NOx and PM. * with PM filters, diesel emissions can be better than those of gasoline engines w/respect to PM. * NOx remains the big problem with diesel. -- Mark From rikkilarson at hotmail.com Sat Jun 24 13:24:06 2006 From: rikkilarson at hotmail.com (Rikki Larson) Date: Sat Jun 24 14:18:48 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Please remove me from the list Message-ID: From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Jun 25 19:37:08 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sun Jun 25 17:31:06 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Biodiesel Community Conference, Colorado, July 14-16 References: <2173.64.142.76.220.1151222681.squirrel@webmail.biodieselcommunity.org> Message-ID: <47938705-6D73-4C8A-93C6-B1FFB9D9FB64@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Biodiesel" > Date: June 25, 2006 4:04:41 AM EDT > To: resources@biodieselcommunity.org > Subject: Biodiesel Community Conference, Colorado, July 14-16 > Reply-To: resources@biodieselcommunity.org > > Biodiesel Community Conference: > > July 14-16, 2006 > Golden, Colorado > Colorado School of Mines > > > The grassroots biodiesel community's summer conference this year > focuses > on biodiesel co-ops, biodiesel groups, grassroots biodiesel education > efforts, and the technical details of all of the above. Well even > tell you > what pump we use, and what our bylaws and volunteer motivation efforts > have looked like. > > History: > In the past three years the American "small-scale biodiesel" activist > community has been organizing winter conferences (all preceding the > meetings of the National Biodiesel Board's annual winter convention). > Different groups have organized these grassroots events with the focus > being on educating biodiesel consumers and activists working with or > within the biodiesel industry, and encouraging us to act as > watchdogs over > biodiesel sustainability. > > > Local Biodiesel: A Biodiesel Co-ops Conference > > This summer conference in Colorado ignores the larger industry > issues and > focuses instead on the nitty-gritty details of how the grassroots > biodiesel groups accomplish their work. > > There is no single answer to "How do I start a biodiesel coop" so we > instead gather members of several successful biodiesel groups into one > room to tell the story of how THEY started and run their biodiesel > efforts, and what they'd do differently with hindsight. > > The conference is primarily an opportunity for discussion, > networking, and > story-sharing. We'll talk about what pump we use. We'll talk about > wrangling volunteers, brokering truckloads of commercial fuel, > disposing > of glycerine, dealing with frozen fuel lines and cold reactors, > organizing > educational events for your community, staying motivated as an > organization, recovering methanol, and, most importantly, we'll > talk about > it WITH you, not at you. > > The conference is centered around networking and discussion, rather > than > dry speeches, and there will be a tremendous amount of organized > networking. > > We're organizing 'discussion tables' by topic at lunch and breakfast > (imagine your favorite online biodiesel discussion forums- live), > and the > official presentations leave a lot of time for discussion/question and > answer with the audience. We'll leave room for regional networking > opportunities so people from the same area can brainstorm ideas on > working > together. Bring your photos and equipment to show off. > > People are coming from South Africa, Colorado, all corners of the USA, > Canada, and elsewhere. There is dorm housing available so you can > camp out > and talk late into the night with fellow conference attendees, and two > meals a day are included in the registration fee. We have a > rideboard to > encourage ridesharing and so that you can find others from your > area who > are coming. > > List of speakers and topics: > > -Methanol recovery for homebrewers (Maud Essen and Terry Zeman, St > Louis > Biofuels Club, Missouri) > > -Disposal of Sidestreams: Wash Water, Magnesol, and Glycerine (Matt > Rudolph, Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative, North Carolina) > > -Cold Weather Strategies for Biodiesel Users (panel discussion) > > -Biodiesel Distribution Experiences (panel discussion including Kai > Curry > of Biodiesel Blue Distribution, Minnesota, and members of Biofuel > Oasis, > California) > > -Gas Chromatography Testing of Biodiesel (Bob Armantrout, Rocky > Mountain > Biodiesel) > > -Excise Tax and Legal Issues Affecting Small-scale Production of > biodiesel (panel discussions) > > -Biodiesel Calculator and Batch Tracking Software demo (Rick Harrison, > Omaha PSD Club) > > -Magnesol and other washing alternatives (presenter TBA) > > -Putting Together a Biodiesel Educational Event (panel discussion) > > -Teaching Homebrew Classes (Jennifer Radtke and Maria 'Mark' > Alovert and > other presenters TBA) > > -Quality Testing and Quality Control factors (Maria 'Mark' Alovert, > Biodieselcommunity.org) > > -Involving Women In Your Biodiesel Group (Maria 'Mark' Alovert, > Biodieselcommunity.org) > > -Oil Collection Strategies (presenter TBA) > > -Feedstock and competion for WVO- Co-op strategies? (presenter TBA) > > -Working with Volunteers (Matt Rudolph, Piedmont Biofuels > Cooperative, and > others) > > > -Case Studies presentations from biodiesel educational, > homebrewing, and > distribution co-ops and groups : > > NW Biofuels Network (Washington), > St Louis Biofuels Club (St Louis, MO), > Berkeley Biodiesel Collective (California), > Breathable Bus Coalition (Washington), > Alameda Biodiesel Coop (California), > Boulder Biodiesel (CO), > Wilson College biodiesel group (Pennsylvania), > Yoderville Biodiesel Coop (Iowa), > Austin Biodiesel Coop (Texas) > Biofuel Oasis (California) > Utah Biodiesel Coop (Utah) > > -In addition to the formal presentations, we'll have some mini- > workshops > and lunchtime 'discussion tables' to assist in networking (for > example, > cafeteria tables labeled by region or specific topics, so you can meet > others from your region or area of interest) > > > For more information, final schedule (to be released July 1), and to > register, please see http://b100.org > > Registration Info: > $60 for conference registration, includes breakfast and lunch > Saturday/Sunday. Friday night's Biodiesel 101 presentation and > networking > party is free and open to the public. > > Saturday networking party: $5 donation requested > > Dorm rooms: $22 a night, available Friday night through Monday > morning. > The dorm rooms are gender-segregated at Colorado School of Mines, > so we > unfortunately can't accommodate couples. > > Final Conference schedule will be posted July 1 at http://b100.org. > Hours: > Friday, July 14: Biodiesel 101 Presentation, 6 pm > Satuday and Sunday, July 15-16: Breakfast and mini-discussions: > 8-10 am, > conference presentations 10am-5:30 pm > Saturday night networking party: 7-10 (check website for updates on > exact > hours) > > Registration deadline is June 30! Please check http://b100.org for > updates > or possible late registration. > > Rideshare board: www.b100.org/rideboard > > To contact us, please email conference@b100.org > > > Resources: > US-based biodiesel co-ops > http://www.b100.org/coops > Biodiesel Power: a book about Piedmont Biofuels in Pittsboro NC: > http://biofuels.coop/book.shtml > The Biodiesel Blogs: a view of the day-to-day in grassroots biodiesel: > http://www.biofuels.coop/aggregator/ > Online Biodiesel Resources listing: educational websites: > http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/onlineresources/ > Biodiesel online course from Iowa State University: > http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/Pages/biodiesel1.html > Biodiesel Handling and Use Guidelines- NREL (.pdf) > http://www.nrel.gov/vehiclesandfuels/npbf/pdfs/39451.pdf > > Homebrewing Biodiesel: > http://biodieselcommunity.org and http://biodiesel.infopop.cc > Biodiesel Library: > http://www.b100supply.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=category.display&category_id=12&CFID=366554&CFTOKEN=8558506 > 4 > From dentonconrad at netzero.net Mon Jun 26 12:44:58 2006 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad) Date: Mon Jun 26 10:39:37 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Ethanol spurs new 'gold rush' Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20060626114158.00bcc978@pop.netzero.net> Ethanol spurs new 'gold rush' - http://www.newsobserver.com/110/story/454626.html "Many energy experts are also questioning the benefits of ethanol to the nation's fuel supply." From john.bonitz at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 17:07:34 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Mon Jun 26 15:01:27 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NCSEA URGENT ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! Message-ID: <84a57a420606261307s36d41c13w71f4cc25239245ec@mail.gmail.com> Hey Piedmont folks, Let's call/email Joe Hackney and Paul Luebke and see what they think! Towards independence! -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: NC Sustainable Energy Association Date: Jun 26, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: FW: NCSEA ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! To: ncsea@mindspring.com Cc: ncseapolicy@mindspring.com Dear NC Sustainable Energy Association Members, Ask your Senator and Representative TODAY to vote for S2051 and S402! For the future of North Carolina's economy, ask them to pass the NC Energy Independence Act before Independence Day!! Key Legislators: Senate: Sen. Basnight Sen. Albertson Sen. Jenkins Sen. Kerr Sen. Hoyle House: Speaker Black Rep. Hackney Rep. Harrell Rep. Luebke Rep. Justice Rep. Cole To find out who your Representative is, go online to: http://www.ncleg.net/GIS/Representation/Who_Represents_Me/Who_Represents_Me.html S2051 and S402 are good for North Carolina and our Nation As North Carolina's energy demand increases at an alarming rate and the cost of fossil fuels continues to rise, it is critical that we join our state's leaders in looking for ways to increase our energy independence! North Carolina currently imports a dismal 98% of its energy fuels, sending up to $15 billion a year straight out of our state economy. North Carolina will soon become the 7th largest economy in the United States, and we must plan for this record-breaking growth by using energy more efficiently. Increasing our energy independence is a triple-win, improving our economy, health, environment and overall quality of life. This week our legislators will be considering two bills that give North Carolinians the opportunity to take the simplest and lowest cost steps right now toward realizing our energy independence. They need to hear from you! This Tuesday at 11:00am the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Environment and Natural Resources will hear Senate Bill 2051 "Energy Independence Act" S2051 lowers the price at the pump and reduces our dependence on foreign oil by providing incentives for hybrid electric vehicles and freedom fuels, like biodiesel and cellulosic ethanol. By helping to create robust markets for homegrown freedom fuels, S2051 keeps North Carolina close to the land, providing more jobs and income for our farmers and rural counties. S2051 will make the state a leader in reducing energy and water use in government buildings by leveraging private funds to save millions in taxpayer dollars and spurring the creation of new private sector energy jobs statewide. S2051 will also require new government buildings to use less energy and water. S2051 helps consumers become more energy independent by providing tax incentives for building energy efficient homes and making your existing home energy efficient. This Wednesday at 11:00am the House Committee on State Government will hear Senate Bill 402 "Water/Utilities Savings in Government Facilities" S402 calls for our State Government to take much needed action to reduce energy waste in government buildings. By increasing the scope of energy saving performance contracts (with no cost to the State's budget!), S402 helps NC government take a step toward North Carolina's energy independence, create new jobs and save tax payer dollars. If passed S402: Increases the cap for energy and water performance contracts in government buildings to $100,000,000; Requires no expenditure of taxpayer money; Increases the life-cycle of energy contracts to 20 years; and Also includes water use reduction in government buildings. S402 already passed the Senate in 2005, with your support S402 will pass through the House of Representatives this week, making Water/Utilities Savings for Gov't Facilities a Law this year! Ask your Senator and Representative TODAY to vote for S2051 and S402! For the future of North Carolina's economy, ask them to pass the NC Energy Independence Act before Independence Day!! To find out who your Representative is, go online to: http://www.ncleg.net/GIS/Representation/Who_Represents_Me/Who_Represents_Me.html Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day!! Recent advances in 2006 sustainable energy legislation Thanks in part to NCSEA Membership support, S1591 Extending the Legislative Commission on Global Climate Change passed successfully through both chambers of the NC General Assembly!!! This bill extends the time-frame for the Climate Change Commission to study and report on the issues of global warming and the emerging carbon economy. With their newly allotted time, this commission will be able to critically consider whether North Carolina should set a goal for reducing our greenhouse gas emissions and, if so, how aggressive the goal should be. Thank you for actively supporting a more sustainable energy future for North Carolina! Sincerely, Ivan Urlaub, Executive & Policy Director _______________________________________ For more information contact: Ivan Urlaub Executive and Policy Director, NCSEA ncseapolicy@mindspring.com or McCayne Miller Administrative Associate, NCSEA ncsea@mindspring.com Become a member of NCSEA today! http://www.ncsustainableenergy.org/about/join.html P.O. Box 6465, Raleigh, NC 27628 (919) 832-7601 (office and fax) From marc at theforestfoundation.org Mon Jun 26 17:42:41 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Mon Jun 26 15:43:11 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NCSEA URGENT ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! In-Reply-To: <84a57a420606261307s36d41c13w71f4cc25239245ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Called Luebke Friday and talked with him. Said very unlikely the bill will be brought forward this session, focus is on budget, session is almost over. I suggested in Jan. 2007 running Inconvenient Truth (maybe a none Gore, butt-kicking documentary for those liberal hating Republicans) as a special showing in one of the meeting rooms down in the Legislative Bldg. to kick off the new year and focus on this. He thought it was great idea. We could all table and answer legislators' questions (anyone who bothers to show up). Sucks we have to delay another 6 months. Call him and beat on him. Marc -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net]On Behalf Of John Bonitz Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:08 PM To: BIG; Piedmont Biofuels Co-op worker members Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NCSEA URGENT ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! Hey Piedmont folks, Let's call/email Joe Hackney and Paul Luebke and see what they think! Towards independence! -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: NC Sustainable Energy Association Date: Jun 26, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: FW: NCSEA ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! To: ncsea@mindspring.com Cc: ncseapolicy@mindspring.com Dear NC Sustainable Energy Association Members, Ask your Senator and Representative TODAY to vote for S2051 and S402! For the future of North Carolina's economy, ask them to pass the NC Energy Independence Act before Independence Day!! Key Legislators: Senate: Sen. Basnight Sen. Albertson Sen. Jenkins Sen. Kerr Sen. Hoyle House: Speaker Black Rep. Hackney Rep. Harrell Rep. Luebke Rep. Justice Rep. Cole To find out who your Representative is, go online to: http://www.ncleg.net/GIS/Representation/Who_Represents_Me/Who_Represents_Me. html S2051 and S402 are good for North Carolina and our Nation As North Carolina's energy demand increases at an alarming rate and the cost of fossil fuels continues to rise, it is critical that we join our state's leaders in looking for ways to increase our energy independence! North Carolina currently imports a dismal 98% of its energy fuels, sending up to $15 billion a year straight out of our state economy. North Carolina will soon become the 7th largest economy in the United States, and we must plan for this record-breaking growth by using energy more efficiently. Increasing our energy independence is a triple-win, improving our economy, health, environment and overall quality of life. This week our legislators will be considering two bills that give North Carolinians the opportunity to take the simplest and lowest cost steps right now toward realizing our energy independence. They need to hear from you! This Tuesday at 11:00am the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Environment and Natural Resources will hear Senate Bill 2051 "Energy Independence Act" S2051 lowers the price at the pump and reduces our dependence on foreign oil by providing incentives for hybrid electric vehicles and freedom fuels, like biodiesel and cellulosic ethanol. By helping to create robust markets for homegrown freedom fuels, S2051 keeps North Carolina close to the land, providing more jobs and income for our farmers and rural counties. S2051 will make the state a leader in reducing energy and water use in government buildings by leveraging private funds to save millions in taxpayer dollars and spurring the creation of new private sector energy jobs statewide. S2051 will also require new government buildings to use less energy and water. S2051 helps consumers become more energy independent by providing tax incentives for building energy efficient homes and making your existing home energy efficient. This Wednesday at 11:00am the House Committee on State Government will hear Senate Bill 402 "Water/Utilities Savings in Government Facilities" S402 calls for our State Government to take much needed action to reduce energy waste in government buildings. By increasing the scope of energy saving performance contracts (with no cost to the State's budget!), S402 helps NC government take a step toward North Carolina's energy independence, create new jobs and save tax payer dollars. If passed S402: Increases the cap for energy and water performance contracts in government buildings to $100,000,000; Requires no expenditure of taxpayer money; Increases the life-cycle of energy contracts to 20 years; and Also includes water use reduction in government buildings. S402 already passed the Senate in 2005, with your support S402 will pass through the House of Representatives this week, making Water/Utilities Savings for Gov't Facilities a Law this year! Ask your Senator and Representative TODAY to vote for S2051 and S402! For the future of North Carolina's economy, ask them to pass the NC Energy Independence Act before Independence Day!! To find out who your Representative is, go online to: http://www.ncleg.net/GIS/Representation/Who_Represents_Me/Who_Represents_Me. html Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day!! Recent advances in 2006 sustainable energy legislation Thanks in part to NCSEA Membership support, S1591 Extending the Legislative Commission on Global Climate Change passed successfully through both chambers of the NC General Assembly!!! This bill extends the time-frame for the Climate Change Commission to study and report on the issues of global warming and the emerging carbon economy. With their newly allotted time, this commission will be able to critically consider whether North Carolina should set a goal for reducing our greenhouse gas emissions and, if so, how aggressive the goal should be. Thank you for actively supporting a more sustainable energy future for North Carolina! Sincerely, Ivan Urlaub, Executive & Policy Director _______________________________________ For more information contact: Ivan Urlaub Executive and Policy Director, NCSEA ncseapolicy@mindspring.com or McCayne Miller Administrative Associate, NCSEA ncsea@mindspring.com Become a member of NCSEA today! http://www.ncsustainableenergy.org/about/join.html P.O. Box 6465, Raleigh, NC 27628 (919) 832-7601 (office and fax) _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From john.bonitz at gmail.com Mon Jun 26 17:55:41 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Mon Jun 26 15:49:33 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NCSEA URGENT ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! In-Reply-To: References: <84a57a420606261307s36d41c13w71f4cc25239245ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84a57a420606261355j326077dbn49fe28b90e7133e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks foinfo, Marc. Paul's a good guy, so I'd be reluctant to beat on him. Joe Hackney said his office helped write S2051, and thanked me for the support. I guess we're talking to the good guys. Anyone know folks whose legislators are > Sen. Basnight > Sen. Albertson > Sen. Jenkins > Sen. Kerr > Sen. Hoyle > > House: > Speaker Black > Rep. Harrell > Rep. Justice > Rep. Cole ? Cheers! John On 6/26/06, Marc Dreyfors-President wrote: > Called Luebke Friday and talked with him. Said very unlikely the bill will > be brought forward this session, focus is on budget, session is almost over. > I suggested in Jan. 2007 running Inconvenient Truth (maybe a none Gore, > butt-kicking documentary for those liberal hating Republicans) as a special > showing in one of the meeting rooms down in the Legislative Bldg. to kick > off the new year and focus on this. He thought it was great idea. We could > all table and answer legislators' questions (anyone who bothers to show up). > Sucks we have to delay another 6 months. Call him and beat on him. > > Marc > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net]On Behalf Of John > Bonitz > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:08 PM > To: BIG; Piedmont Biofuels Co-op worker members > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NCSEA URGENT ACTION ALERT!!! Ask > your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence > Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! > > > Hey Piedmont folks, > > Let's call/email Joe Hackney and Paul Luebke and see what they think! > > Towards independence! > > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: NC Sustainable Energy Association > Date: Jun 26, 2006 2:23 PM > Subject: FW: NCSEA ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the > Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings > Tuesday June 27th and 28th! > To: ncsea@mindspring.com > Cc: ncseapolicy@mindspring.com > > > > > > Dear NC Sustainable Energy Association Members, > > Ask your Senator and Representative TODAY to vote for S2051 and S402! > For the future of North Carolina's economy, ask them to pass the NC > Energy Independence Act before Independence Day!! > > Key Legislators: > > Senate: > Sen. Basnight > Sen. Albertson > Sen. Jenkins > Sen. Kerr > Sen. Hoyle > > House: > Speaker Black > Rep. Hackney > Rep. Harrell > Rep. Luebke > Rep. Justice > Rep. Cole > > To find out who your Representative is, go online to: > > http://www.ncleg.net/GIS/Representation/Who_Represents_Me/Who_Represents_Me. > html > > S2051 and S402 are good for North Carolina and our Nation > > As North Carolina's energy demand increases at an alarming rate and > the cost of fossil fuels continues to rise, it is critical that we > join our state's leaders in looking for ways to increase our energy > independence! North Carolina currently imports a dismal 98% of its > energy fuels, sending up to $15 billion a year straight out of our > state economy. North Carolina will soon become the 7th largest > economy in the United States, and we must plan for this > record-breaking growth by using energy more efficiently. Increasing > our energy independence is a triple-win, improving our economy, > health, environment and overall quality of life. This week our > legislators will be considering two bills that give North Carolinians > the opportunity to take the simplest and lowest cost steps right now > toward realizing our energy independence. They need to hear from you! > > This Tuesday at 11:00am the Senate Committee on Agriculture, > Environment and Natural Resources will hear Senate Bill 2051 "Energy > Independence Act" > > S2051 lowers the price at the pump and reduces our dependence on > foreign oil by providing incentives for hybrid electric vehicles and > freedom fuels, like biodiesel and cellulosic ethanol. By helping to > create robust markets for homegrown freedom fuels, S2051 keeps North > Carolina close to the land, providing more jobs and income for our > farmers and rural counties. > > S2051 will make the state a leader in reducing energy and water use in > government buildings by leveraging private funds to save millions in > taxpayer dollars and spurring the creation of new private sector > energy jobs statewide. S2051 will also require new government > buildings to use less energy and water. > > S2051 helps consumers become more energy independent by providing tax > incentives for building energy efficient homes and making your > existing home energy efficient. > > This Wednesday at 11:00am the House Committee on State Government will > hear Senate Bill 402 "Water/Utilities Savings in Government > Facilities" > > S402 calls for our State Government to take much needed action to > reduce energy waste in government buildings. By increasing the scope > of energy saving performance contracts (with no cost to the State's > budget!), S402 helps NC government take a step toward North Carolina's > energy independence, create new jobs and save tax payer dollars. > > If passed S402: > > Increases the cap for energy and water performance contracts in > government buildings to $100,000,000; > > Requires no expenditure of taxpayer money; > > Increases the life-cycle of energy contracts to 20 years; and > > Also includes water use reduction in government buildings. > > S402 already passed the Senate in 2005, with your support S402 will > pass through the House of Representatives this week, making > Water/Utilities Savings for Gov't Facilities a Law this year! > > Ask your Senator and Representative TODAY to vote for S2051 and S402! > For the future of North Carolina's economy, ask them to pass the NC > Energy Independence Act before Independence Day!! > > To find out who your Representative is, go online to: > > http://www.ncleg.net/GIS/Representation/Who_Represents_Me/Who_Represents_Me. > html > > Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence > Day!! > > > > Recent advances in 2006 sustainable energy legislation > > Thanks in part to NCSEA Membership support, S1591 Extending the > Legislative Commission on Global Climate Change passed successfully > through both chambers of the NC General Assembly!!! This bill extends > the time-frame for the Climate Change Commission to study and report > on the issues of global warming and the emerging carbon economy. With > their newly allotted time, this commission will be able to critically > consider whether North Carolina should set a goal for reducing our > greenhouse gas emissions and, if so, how aggressive the goal should > be. > > Thank you for actively supporting a more sustainable energy future for > North Carolina! > > Sincerely, > > Ivan Urlaub, Executive & Policy Director > _______________________________________ > > For more information contact: > > Ivan Urlaub > Executive and Policy Director, NCSEA > ncseapolicy@mindspring.com > > or > > McCayne Miller > Administrative Associate, NCSEA > ncsea@mindspring.com > > > Become a member of NCSEA today! > http://www.ncsustainableenergy.org/about/join.html > P.O. Box 6465, Raleigh, NC 27628 > (919) 832-7601 (office and fax) > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Jun 26 18:16:52 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Jun 26 16:21:27 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Green Diesel Message-ID: http://www.rexresearch.com/kukler/kukler.htm Ronald KUKLER Diesel Injector --------------------------------- www.greendieselcorp.com --- email: ron.kukler@cleandieselcorp.com www.tritonfoundation.org.au --- A hydraulically operated, super- high pressure diesel injector, installed in place of the standard injector, that produces 30% higher pressure, consumes 30% less fuel, and reduces pollution. It is expected to retail for ~ $1000. Ron Kukler: "A 2-stage hydraulic/electronic fuel delivery system creates extremely high injection pressures of 160,000 psi compared to about 23,000 psi for traditional coon rail injection systems. Fuel-injected at higher pressure results in a much cleaner combustion process and a multitude of benefits evident in the much-improved engine performance figures". The system has been tested for durability by Prof. Eric Milkins (Dept. Mechanical Engineering, Melbourne University) for over 10,000 hours. From www.greendieselcorp.com: "Existing diesel common rail systems cost approx. 25% of engine cost. Green Diesel's fuel system costs approx. 3% of engine cost. We do not use a complicated and expensive high pressure pump, and our electrics are simple. Existing engine management systmes will operate satisfactorily with Green Diesel's fuel system. Millions of dollars and thousands of professional man-hours have already been invested in our produce. We have engaged university scholars, national award winning professionals, engineers, doctors of mechanical engineering and experienced technicians utilizing thermodynamic laboratory facilities, dynamometers, flue-gas analyzers, particulate tunnel testing and wolf sensors in conjunction with Melbourne University's own Combustion Analysis in Real Time (CART) computer program. Testing results to date: Dramatic increase in horse power, dramatic increase in torque, band width, and durability, reduction in specific fuel consumption and in all pollutants, and dramatic reduction in cost, simplicity, noise, vibration, weight and size. From vsummers at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 27 15:19:28 2006 From: vsummers at bellsouth.net (Veronica Summers) Date: Tue Jun 27 13:13:18 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] An Inconvenient Truth Message-ID: <20060627181933.MLOS25306.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@YOUR0944CBA8B9> I agree -- the program was good. If you haven't already seen it, you may also want to check out the documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," which is now showing locally. Veronica Summers -----Original Message----- From: bmanjk [mailto:bmanjk@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:01 PM To: Veronica Summers Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Discovery Channel documentary exploresbiofuels This was a great program. Thanks for sending out the notice! Berryman Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veronica Summers" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Discovery Channel documentary exploresbiofuels > On June 24 10pm ET/PT the Discovery Channel will premiere Addicted to Oil, a > one-hour documentary reported by Pulitzer Prize-winning foreign affairs > columnist, Thomas L. Friedman on the host of energy related issues America > is facing, from the funding of terrorist supporters through our gasoline > purchases, to strengthening our economy through innovative technology. > Addicted to Oil examines a wide variety of developments taking place across > the energy spectrum, including flex-fuel vehicles that run on biofuels such > as ethanol. > > Veronica Summers > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From tomjarrett at gmail.com Wed Jun 28 17:46:40 2006 From: tomjarrett at gmail.com (thomas m. jarrett) Date: Wed Jun 28 15:40:21 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Go Heels! Message-ID: <44A2EAB0.9010602@alumni.unc.edu> Folks, Noticed today that UNC and the town of Chapel Hill signed on to the Carbon Reduction Program. UNC's press release can be found at http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jun06/carbon062706.htm. I think it is important for communities and institutions within the USA to make these statements particularly as our federal government refuses to support carbon reduction in the form of the Kyoto Accord. Here's to continuing to make steps forward cheers, tom From hogarth at gmail.com Wed Jun 28 19:18:38 2006 From: hogarth at gmail.com (Susan Hogarth) Date: Wed Jun 28 17:12:19 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Go Heels! In-Reply-To: <44A2EAB0.9010602@alumni.unc.edu> References: <44A2EAB0.9010602@alumni.unc.edu> Message-ID: <3889aa560606281518g7d18926u8915c12f847331d6@mail.gmail.com> On 6/28/06, thomas m. jarrett wrote: > Folks, > > Noticed today that UNC and the town of Chapel Hill signed on to the > Carbon Reduction Program. UNC's press release can be found at > http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jun06/carbon062706.htm. > I think it is important for communities and institutions within the USA > to make these statements particularly as our federal government refuses > to support carbon reduction in the form of the Kyoto Accord. Here's to > continuing to make steps forward UNC could best reduce carbon dioxide emissions by reducing their amount of 'hot air'. I know that sounds flippant, but consider how the announcement was made and consider the irony of an institution making a pledge to reduce CO2 by *sending someone across the ocean on an airliner*: "Earlier today, a UNC-Chapel Hill professor representing the United States at an international environmental conference in England filed the university's pledge that made the commitment official on the website of the Carbon Reduction, or CRed, program. The university administration finalized its pledge earlier this month." These guys love to talk the talk, but they squeal like heck if you suggest they might use the photocopier less often or cut back on their travel budgets. And does anyone else find the phrase "town-gown pair" especially irksome? -- Susan Hogarth http://www.colliething.com From mackin at email.unc.edu Thu Jun 29 00:24:22 2006 From: mackin at email.unc.edu (William Mackin) Date: Wed Jun 28 22:18:39 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Go Heels! In-Reply-To: <3889aa560606281518g7d18926u8915c12f847331d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <44A2EAB0.9010602@alumni.unc.edu> <3889aa560606281518g7d18926u8915c12f847331d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76ff028b6505b21209a1bcd77301da33@email.unc.edu> The goals sound pretty minor. 60%? Why not go to 100%? By 2050, can we really not get to carbon neutrality at UNC and Chapel Hill? If not, why? However, it's a start. Not a time to gripe. Let's just make the goals and then make it better. At least they're admitting that there's a problem and putting a program in motion. Will On Jun 28, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Susan Hogarth wrote: > On 6/28/06, thomas m. jarrett wrote: >> Folks, >> >> Noticed today that UNC and the town of Chapel Hill signed on to the >> Carbon Reduction Program. UNC's press release can be found at >> http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jun06/carbon062706.htm. >> I think it is important for communities and institutions within the >> USA >> to make these statements particularly as our federal government >> refuses >> to support carbon reduction in the form of the Kyoto Accord. Here's >> to >> continuing to make steps forward > > UNC could best reduce carbon dioxide emissions by reducing their > amount of 'hot air'. I know that sounds flippant, but consider how the > announcement was made and consider the irony of an institution making > a pledge to reduce CO2 by *sending someone across the ocean on an > airliner*: > > "Earlier today, a UNC-Chapel Hill professor representing the United > States at an international environmental conference in England filed > the university's pledge that made the commitment official on the > website of the Carbon Reduction, or CRed, program. The university > administration finalized its pledge earlier this month." > > These guys love to talk the talk, but they squeal like heck if you > suggest they might use the photocopier less often or cut back on their > travel budgets. > > And does anyone else find the phrase "town-gown pair" especially > irksome? > > -- > Susan Hogarth > http://www.colliething.com > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From mackin at email.unc.edu Thu Jun 29 00:26:41 2006 From: mackin at email.unc.edu (William Mackin) Date: Wed Jun 28 22:20:38 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] peanut sheller Message-ID: <29a3d2bf4a69dd0dbecf301d8c515226@email.unc.edu> http://www.instructables.com/ex/i/72369DDA39771029AC23001143E7E506/ Anybody else interested in growing oil crops? Do you think this thing would work for soy and canola? From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Jun 22 11:27:17 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Jun 28 22:27:34 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Elsbett Vegetable Oil workshop in JULY! Message-ID: <2D1A383F-7583-4CCE-9BFF-84EBAD11975B@blast.com> Piedmont Biofuels and CCCC will be co-hosting another Elsbett Straight Vegetable Oil workshop this July 2006! The dates have been set! When: July 14-16th 2006 (9am-5pm daily) Where: Central Carolina Community College, Biofuels Program What: We are looking to convert at least 10 diesel vehicles using the Elsbett single tank SVO conversion package during this workshop! If you have a diesel vehicle you would like to convert, please contact us ASAP. Time is limited to sign up and/or purchase kits for installation during the workshop. Kits must be pre-ordered by June 29th Priority will be given to participants installing kits due to shop space and availability of tools. For more information about the Elsbett system, conversion kit details, costs, and past workshops, please see our website: www.biofuels.coop/elsbett.shtml Thanks for your support, Rachel Burton Piedmont Biofuels Elsbett Coordinator www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 rachel@biofuels.coop From mambrose at fs.fed.us Thu Jun 22 16:30:50 2006 From: mambrose at fs.fed.us (Mark Ambrose) Date: Wed Jun 28 22:27:42 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? In-Reply-To: <007c01c6960b$26cf3c00$1800a8c0@cleancities> Message-ID: We can agree to disagree about the optimal way of promoting ethanol as an alternative fuel, but I did do some checking on the use of higher ethanol blends in non-flex-fuel vehicles. It seems that tests have shown no problem running non-flex-fuel cars on blends of up to 30% ethanol. However, manufacturers do not recommend using anything over E10 (and argue that the warranty will be voided by using anything higher). This is a situation akin to that with biodiesel in that all manufacturers of diesels say that B5 is fine, some have approved B20, and no manufacturer recommends using anything higher (even though many people do run their cars on B50, B75, and B100 without problems). Of course this will be a moot point soon, as most new gasoline cars are flex-fuel. [I guess my frustration with the promotion of flex-fuel cars is that it seems something like a marketing ploy. I hate to see someone pay a "green" premium to buy a new flex-fuel car (esp. if they were not otherwise in a hurry to buy a new car at all) if they would have been running their current car on E30, had the fuel been available. Of course, this is coming from a man who drives a '92 Jetta diesel and has never owner a new car in his life.] -- Mark ********************************************************** "Tobin Freid" To 06/22/2006 10:49 "Mark Ambrose" AM , "A Bodkin" cc "BIG" Subject Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? Any car can use up to 10% ethanol blend. Anything over that requires a flex fuel vehicle. Stations are not required to label E10 (as they were in the 70s) so you could be putting it in your vehicle and not even know it. Most of the Crown stations in Raleigh sell E10 on a regular basis. Tobin L. Freid Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment Triangle J Council of Governments (919) 558-9400 -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Ambrose" To: "A Bodkin" Cc: "BIG" Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What ever happened to ethanol? From Kaufman.Kathy at epamail.epa.gov Fri Jun 23 17:05:44 2006 From: Kaufman.Kathy at epamail.epa.gov (Kaufman.Kathy@epamail.epa.gov) Date: Wed Jun 28 22:27:52 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel Emissions Questions In-Reply-To: <20060623191638.2476.fh030.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Message-ID: If you go to this web page: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm and scroll down, you'll find a technical report on comparative emissions and a database, as well as a bibliography. I don't work on fuels, so I don't know exactly what data is cited without looking myself, but I suspect it would be helpful. There's contacts and links to our (EPA's) Office of Transportation and Air Quality in Ann Arbor, which produces this stuff. Also, you've probably seen this, but here's a brief comparison to regular diesel: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/fuelfactsheets/ Kathy Kaufman EPA/OAQPS Mail Code C539-03 Research Triangle Park, NC 27711 Phone 919 541 0102 Fax 919 541 5489 Mark J Ambrose To Sent by: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emj biofuels_interes i.net t_group-bounces@ cc lists.emji.net Subject [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel 06/23/2006 03:16 Emissions Questions PM Has anyone seen any comparisons of pollution from diesel and gasoline engines? I have seen the stats on how biodiesel reduces pollution compared with petro-diesel. And I also know that diesels have been considered to be "dirty" compared with gas engines. I would like to try to do a rough comparison of the emissions of a car running on biodiesel with a typical gasoline engine car. I know that diesel emissions vary greatly depending on model and age, but I haven't been able to find ANY comparisons gasoline and diesel emissions broken down in terms of SO2, NOx, HC, CO, PM. (I have found info comparing greenhouse gas emissions.) The closest I got to a comparison was a table in a report on dieselnet.com, but I can't access it without subscribing. www.dieselnet.com/tech/emi_intro.html My interest in this is partly due to the new EPA diesel emissions regs coming into force soon and partly from noticing the soot deposited around the back of my car even when running on mostly biodiesel. I know that I am doing better in terms of greenhouse gases than I was in my old gasoline car, but am I doing better or worse in terms of the nasties that directly affect human health? Should I be thinking of getting a newer diesel (when I can afford it) that has a better emissions profile? Also, I noticed that the EPA is now promoting the retrofitting of older fleets of buses and trucks with PM filters and catalytic converters once the ULSD is rolled out nationwide. Does anyone know if it is a viable option to retrofit older diesel autos as well? -- Mark _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From ncseapolicy at mindspring.com Mon Jun 26 18:01:35 2006 From: ncseapolicy at mindspring.com (Ivan Urlaub) Date: Wed Jun 28 22:27:59 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NCSEA URGENT ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! In-Reply-To: <84a57a420606261355j326077dbn49fe28b90e7133e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks John, I will be going and speaking with Rep. Luebke tomorrow, he is my representative. Thanks to you and to everyone who is advocating for this bill. It is good for the environmental and economic future of the entire population of NC! Regards, Ivan Ivan Urlaub Executive and Policy Director, NCSEA (919) 832-7601 (office/fax) www.ncsustainableenergy.org www.ases.org -----Original Message----- From: John Bonitz [mailto:john.bonitz@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:56 PM To: marc@theforestfoundation.org Cc: BIG; Piedmont Biofuels Co-op worker members; Ivan Urlaub Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NCSEA URGENT ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! Thanks foinfo, Marc. Paul's a good guy, so I'd be reluctant to beat on him. Joe Hackney said his office helped write S2051, and thanked me for the support. I guess we're talking to the good guys. Anyone know folks whose legislators are > Sen. Basnight > Sen. Albertson > Sen. Jenkins > Sen. Kerr > Sen. Hoyle > > House: > Speaker Black > Rep. Harrell > Rep. Justice > Rep. Cole ? Cheers! John On 6/26/06, Marc Dreyfors-President wrote: > Called Luebke Friday and talked with him. Said very unlikely the bill > will be brought forward this session, focus is on budget, session is almost over. > I suggested in Jan. 2007 running Inconvenient Truth (maybe a none > Gore, butt-kicking documentary for those liberal hating Republicans) > as a special showing in one of the meeting rooms down in the > Legislative Bldg. to kick off the new year and focus on this. He > thought it was great idea. We could all table and answer legislators' questions (anyone who bothers to show up). > Sucks we have to delay another 6 months. Call him and beat on him. > > Marc > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net]On Behalf Of > John Bonitz > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:08 PM > To: BIG; Piedmont Biofuels Co-op worker members > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NCSEA URGENT ACTION ALERT!!! > Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by > Independence Day! Committee hearings Tuesday June 27th and 28th! > > > Hey Piedmont folks, > > Let's call/email Joe Hackney and Paul Luebke and see what they think! > > Towards independence! > > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: NC Sustainable Energy Association > Date: Jun 26, 2006 2:23 PM > Subject: FW: NCSEA ACTION ALERT!!! Ask your legislators to pass the > Energy Independence Act by Independence Day! Committee hearings > Tuesday June 27th and 28th! > To: ncsea@mindspring.com > Cc: ncseapolicy@mindspring.com > > > > > > Dear NC Sustainable Energy Association Members, > > Ask your Senator and Representative TODAY to vote for S2051 and S402! > For the future of North Carolina's economy, ask them to pass the NC > Energy Independence Act before Independence Day!! > > Key Legislators: > > Senate: > Sen. Basnight > Sen. Albertson > Sen. Jenkins > Sen. Kerr > Sen. Hoyle > > House: > Speaker Black > Rep. Hackney > Rep. Harrell > Rep. Luebke > Rep. Justice > Rep. Cole > > To find out who your Representative is, go online to: > > http://www.ncleg.net/GIS/Representation/Who_Represents_Me/Who_Represents_Me. > html > > S2051 and S402 are good for North Carolina and our Nation > > As North Carolina's energy demand increases at an alarming rate and > the cost of fossil fuels continues to rise, it is critical that we > join our state's leaders in looking for ways to increase our energy > independence! North Carolina currently imports a dismal 98% of its > energy fuels, sending up to $15 billion a year straight out of our > state economy. North Carolina will soon become the 7th largest > economy in the United States, and we must plan for this > record-breaking growth by using energy more efficiently. Increasing > our energy independence is a triple-win, improving our economy, > health, environment and overall quality of life. This week our > legislators will be considering two bills that give North Carolinians > the opportunity to take the simplest and lowest cost steps right now > toward realizing our energy independence. They need to hear from you! > > This Tuesday at 11:00am the Senate Committee on Agriculture, > Environment and Natural Resources will hear Senate Bill 2051 "Energy > Independence Act" > > S2051 lowers the price at the pump and reduces our dependence on > foreign oil by providing incentives for hybrid electric vehicles and > freedom fuels, like biodiesel and cellulosic ethanol. By helping to > create robust markets for homegrown freedom fuels, S2051 keeps North > Carolina close to the land, providing more jobs and income for our > farmers and rural counties. > > S2051 will make the state a leader in reducing energy and water use in > government buildings by leveraging private funds to save millions in > taxpayer dollars and spurring the creation of new private sector > energy jobs statewide. S2051 will also require new government > buildings to use less energy and water. > > S2051 helps consumers become more energy independent by providing tax > incentives for building energy efficient homes and making your > existing home energy efficient. > > This Wednesday at 11:00am the House Committee on State Government will > hear Senate Bill 402 "Water/Utilities Savings in Government > Facilities" > > S402 calls for our State Government to take much needed action to > reduce energy waste in government buildings. By increasing the scope > of energy saving performance contracts (with no cost to the State's > budget!), S402 helps NC government take a step toward North Carolina's > energy independence, create new jobs and save tax payer dollars. > > If passed S402: > > Increases the cap for energy and water performance contracts in > government buildings to $100,000,000; > > Requires no expenditure of taxpayer money; > > Increases the life-cycle of energy contracts to 20 years; and > > Also includes water use reduction in government buildings. > > S402 already passed the Senate in 2005, with your support S402 will > pass through the House of Representatives this week, making > Water/Utilities Savings for Gov't Facilities a Law this year! > > Ask your Senator and Representative TODAY to vote for S2051 and S402! > For the future of North Carolina's economy, ask them to pass the NC > Energy Independence Act before Independence Day!! > > To find out who your Representative is, go online to: > > http://www.ncleg.net/GIS/Representation/Who_Represents_Me/Who_Represents_Me. > html > > Ask your legislators to pass the Energy Independence Act by > Independence Day!! > > > > Recent advances in 2006 sustainable energy legislation > > Thanks in part to NCSEA Membership support, S1591 Extending the > Legislative Commission on Global Climate Change passed successfully > through both chambers of the NC General Assembly!!! This bill extends > the time-frame for the Climate Change Commission to study and report > on the issues of global warming and the emerging carbon economy. With > their newly allotted time, this commission will be able to critically > consider whether North Carolina should set a goal for reducing our > greenhouse gas emissions and, if so, how aggressive the goal should > be. > > Thank you for actively supporting a more sustainable energy future for > North Carolina! > > Sincerely, > > Ivan Urlaub, Executive & Policy Director > _______________________________________ > > For more information contact: > > Ivan Urlaub > Executive and Policy Director, NCSEA > ncseapolicy@mindspring.com > > or > > McCayne Miller > Administrative Associate, NCSEA > ncsea@mindspring.com > > > Become a member of NCSEA today! > http://www.ncsustainableenergy.org/about/join.html > P.O. Box 6465, Raleigh, NC 27628 > (919) 832-7601 (office and fax) > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From geo at mapmuse.com Tue Jun 27 09:55:38 2006 From: geo at mapmuse.com (geo@mapmuse.com) Date: Wed Jun 28 22:28:14 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Interactive Mapping of Alternative Fuel Stations across the US Message-ID: <20060627125538.8B3C7117DF@mail.mapmuse.com> Hi, I am writing to let persons interested in alternative fuels know that MapMuse.com has recently introduced interactive mapping of biodiesel fuel stations and ethanol 85 fuel stations across the US. There are presently over 650 ethanol 85 fuel stations, and 350 biodiesel fuel stations located on the MapMuse maps. The idea is for alternative fuel enthusiasts to build upon what we have started by adding information about their local ethanol 85, and biodiesel fuel stations to the maps. The following information can be provided for each station- the name, descriptive text, a photo, contact information, and a link to a website. Through this kind of community effort, we hope to have the most comprehensive, and descriptive maps for the public to locate alternative fuel stations at home, and on their travels. So we invite you to let others know about what is available in your community. There is an ADD and EDIT feature on the site (you can refer to http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/mmFAQ.htm#A4 if you have questions about making changes). Once a visitor suggests a change, it is reviewed for appropriateness and then posted within a few hours. This service constitutes free advertising for the alternative fuel stations. You can view the alternative fuels maps by going to MapMuse.com, and selecting View All Interests. Alternatively, the following links will take you directly to the alternative fuels maps: For ethanol 85 fuel stations, see: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=ETHANOL85 For biodiesel fuel stations, see: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=BIODIESEL If you are not familiar with MapMuse.com, we are a highly trafficked mapping website with an Alexa traffic rating of approximately 14,000 in the world. MapMuse’s goal is to help people find places related to their interests. MapMuse continues to add new topics of interest each week. If you have a topic that you would like to see mapped (energy related or not), you can suggest the interest on the MapMuse site, and there is a good chance it will be addressed. If you find our maps useful, we would appreciate it if you would pass the word on to like-minded friends. And if you have an alternative fuel related website, blog or newsletter, a mention or a link would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cindy Jett MapMuse.com 1326 14th Street NW Washington, DC 20005 If you wish to unsubscribe to this mailing list please click the link.http://mail.mapmuse.com/re1/emailUnsubscribe.php?id=3c04cedce93bcf82f9a919c0b49897b2 From rickyb at rickyb.net Thu Jun 29 09:09:46 2006 From: rickyb at rickyb.net (rickyb@rickyb.net) Date: Thu Jun 29 08:03:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Dont forget: winston salem bio meeting tonight Message-ID: <20060629130947.0F072DA4E1@ws6-6.us4.outblaze.com> Hi all, Don't forget we have our monthly bio Winston Salem meeting tonight at South Fork Rec center in Winston. We have some interesting stuff on tonights agenda. We made our first batch of bio and had some partial success along with the other side; partial opportunities. We will be bringing all of those samples for show and tell. We also are going to try to bring our titration "stuff" and do some titration test on the show and tell liquids we have. I call them mystery liquids because we are not sure exactly what state they are in right now or exactly what they are for sure. We also have made a lot of progress on the submitting of our forms for coop status proper. We have secured our first two restaurants for waste oil and have delivered our first barrel to start our collection process. We are moving and things are starting to happen faster now. Come on out and join us. Lend your support. Thanks and see u there! Rick Blevins From aibodkin at gmail.com Thu Jun 29 11:15:40 2006 From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin) Date: Thu Jun 29 09:09:15 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] to retrofit or not to retrofit that is the question... Message-ID: The question posed is, would it be worth the effort to convert a standard gas powered vehicle to diesel? I have a friend who needs to replace his engine anyway and he was wondering if retrofitting a diesel engine should be considered a viable option? Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks Andy From john.bonitz at gmail.com Thu Jun 29 11:25:17 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu Jun 29 09:18:53 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Greenspan: "The energy abundance on which this nation was built is over." Message-ID: <84a57a420606290725x4ca453bev51e7ca30d909143@mail.gmail.com> Not that this is news, but sometimes it's helpful to have choice quotes from figures like this... Alan Greenspan testified recently before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He discussed world oil market, peak production, US's limited power to effect prices, and considered agricultural sources of alternative fuels. Some interesting quotes: "The energy abundance on which this nation was built is over." The balance of supply and demand "has become so precarious that even small acts of sabotage or local insurrection have a significant impact on oil prices." "Oil in the years ahead will remain an important element of our energy future, but it need no longer be the dominant player." "I'd like to see us move quickly to determine whether cellulosic is feasible." The Washington Times account of this testimony is limited. While it does mention his opinions on cellulosic ethanol having greater promise than corn ethanol, it underplays Greenspan's emphasis on demand-reduction as a means to lower fossil fuel prices. http://washingtontimes.com/business/20060608-121315-3876r.htm According to the Washington Post, Greenspan "stressed a need to reduce consumption..." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/07/AR2006060700625.html >From the limited press coverage, I cannot tell if Greenspan shared any thoughts on the role biodiesel might play. -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From john.bonitz at gmail.com Thu Jun 29 12:24:48 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu Jun 29 10:18:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] peanut sheller Message-ID: <84a57a420606290824j242e6e51w21139fb6d73ca09f@mail.gmail.com> Hey Will, Nice link! Thanks for sharing about the peanut sheller. Roey Rosenblith built one at Piedmont Biofuels Coop, as a demo. I think he even left it with us. It works, too! But it works with peanuts, probably not with the teensy-tiny oilseeds like mustard and canola. Might work to shell soybeans -- but with soy, I gather that cracking is the real challenge. Cheers! john -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From geo at mapmuse.com Thu Jun 29 20:38:48 2006 From: geo at mapmuse.com (geo@mapmuse.com) Date: Thu Jun 29 19:51:01 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Interactive Mapping of Alternative Fuel Stations across the US Message-ID: <20060629233848.D8D82118C2@mail.mapmuse.com> Hi, I am writing to let persons interested in alternative fuels know that MapMuse.com has recently introduced interactive mapping of alternative fuel stations. This includes the mapping of compressed natural gas stations, liquefied natural gas stations, electric fueling stations, hydrogen fueling stations, biodiesel fuel stations, propane fuel stations, and ethanol 85 fuel stations across the US. The idea is for alternative fuel enthusiasts to build upon what we have started by adding information about their local alternative fuel stations to the maps. The following information can be provided for each station- the name, descriptive text, a photo, contact information, and a link to a website. Through this kind of community effort, we hope to have the most comprehensive, and descriptive maps for the public to locate alternative fuel stations at home, and on their travels. So we invite you to let others know about what is available in your community. There is an ADD and EDIT feature on the site (you can refer to http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/mmFAQ.htm#A4 if you have questions about making changes). Once a visitor suggests a change, it is reviewed for appropriateness and then posted within a few hours. This service constitutes free advertising for the alternative fuel stations. You can view the alternative fuels maps by selecting it from our Going Green Directory at: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/mmHomeInterestsList.php?cat=Going%20Green Alternatively, the following links will take you directly to the alternative fuels maps: For compressed natural gas stations: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=CNG For electric fueling stations: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=ELECTRIC For hydrogen fuel stations: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=HYDROGEN For liquefied natural gas stations: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=LNG For ethanol 85 fuel stations, see: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=ETHANOL85 For biodiesel fuel stations, see: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=BIODIESEL For propane fuel stations: http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest.php?brandID=PROPANE If you are not familiar with MapMuse.com, we are a highly trafficked mapping website with an Alexa traffic rating of approximately 14,000 in the world. MapMuse’s goal is to help people find places related to their interests. MapMuse continues to add new topics of interest each week. If you have a topic that you would like to see mapped (energy related or not), you can suggest the interest on the MapMuse site, and there is a good chance it will be addressed. If you find our maps useful, we would appreciate it if you would pass the word on to like-minded friends. And if you have an alternative fuel related website, blog or newsletter, a mention or a link would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cindy Jett MapMuse.com 1326 14th Street NW Washington, DC 20005 If you wish to unsubscribe to this mailing list please click the link.http://mail.mapmuse.com/re1/emailUnsubscribe.php?id=3c04cedce93bcf82f9a919c0b49897b2