From pokant at alltel.net  Sat Jul  1 00:01:25 2006
From: pokant at alltel.net (pokant@alltel.net)
Date: Fri Jun 30 22:54:54 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
Message-ID: <20060701040125.DUDW17572.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>

please take me off of the list to be emailed

From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 14:39:55 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Sat Jul  1 15:33:22 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 finally, some grassroots coverage in a big newspaper
Message-ID: <84a57a420607011339p1927b729m7ce934848a440eb7@mail.gmail.com>

I don't recall ever seeing any coverage of grassroots biofuels
movement in the WashPost,  NYTimes, WSJ, etc..  Anyone else recall
seeing it?
-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/

*********************************************

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/30/AR2006063001765.html

Grease Guzzlers
These Folks Fuel Their Diesel Cars With Cooking Oil. Slick, Huh?

By Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 1, 2006; B01

<SNIP>
In these days of eye-popping gas prices, Mike Leahy gets fuel for his
Volkswagen Beetle at the Barking Dog, a popular Bethesda pub. Shane
Sellers fuels up at a Chinese restaurant in Frederick. And Ben Tonken
heads to a Tex-Mex eatery in the District.

"There's a bit of a smell when you get out," said Leahy, a D.C.
lawyer. "A slight french fry smell. I kind of like it; it's kind of
sweet. It smells better than diesel."

Welcome to the world of greasel -- the shorthand some use for grease
and diesel. Leahy and the others are among a tiny but growing band of
environmentalists and thrifty consumers who are turning to restaurants
for free, used vegetable oil to fuel their diesel-engine cars.

With a little filtration and a car conversion kit, oil that once fried
potatoes, egg rolls or tortilla chips is ready for its second act: air
pollution fighter.
<ENDSNIP>
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Sun Jul  2 09:09:03 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Sun Jul  2 07:02:36 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 'late' registration for Colorado biodiesel conference still possible  
Message-ID: <C2ABC083-F185-4AB5-BA7B-3663191EDB36@blast.com>

'late' registration for Colorado biodiesel conference still possible

Posted by: "girl mark" girlmark_list_email@localb100.com    
girl_mark_fire
Sat Jul 1, 2006 8:05 pm (PST)

Hello,

We have 90 people registered for the co-ops conference, about 40 staying
in the dorms, and it looks like it'll be great fun.

If anyone still wants to attend, we extended registration back to the
original July 7th deadline (we had some misunderstandings on the
deadlines for dorms/meals paperwork we had to submit to Colorado School
of Mines at one point, which is why the registration deadline changed a
couple of times).

This 'late' July 7th registration is limited, though (the 'real'
deadline for us requesting dorm rooms from the college was earlier  
today).

If you still want to register, you can register to attend the conference
in full, but there wont' be meals included in the registation cost, and
dorm rooms are no longer available. You can brown-bag your own lunch
(restaurants are allegedly a block away) to the cafeteria, the cafeteria
staff won't mind- so you can participate in the breakfast and lunchtime
networking discussions and basically have the same exact conference
experience as everyone else, just without the world-famous
engineering-school-grade cafeteria food. All the evening socialising
(Friday night social and Saturday night low-key party on campus) is
still included in the 'late' registration option, just not the
breakfast, lunch, or dorm rooms.

We've changed the registration web page to reflect all of this:
www.b100.org/registration

If you're considering coming at the last minute and need transportation
or a rider to share the drive, please see our ride board to see if
anyone's coming from your area: www.b100.org/rideboard

From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Jul  5 08:46:59 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed Jul  5 06:41:09 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 North Carolina: Biodiesel Fuels Demand for Older Mercedes Diesels 
Message-ID: <E9543BF9-AE98-4A9F-9876-0884A3A290CB@blast.com>

Jul 03, 2006 - By Angie Newsome, The Asheville Citizen-Times - Link  
to Story
In Los Angeles, million-dollar hot rods may be the hottest fad on  
four wheels. In New York, perhaps it's the swanky luxury limousine -  
complete with movie stars and publicists. But, as in most things,  
western North Carolina has its own style. From the looks of Asheville  
neighborhoods, roads and parking lots, the 20-plus-year-old diesel  
Mercedes-Benz - shiny or rusty, sedan or wagon - is waging a tough  
competition with the Subaru as the local must-have mode of  
transportation.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/14953607.htm
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Jul  5 10:50:07 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed Jul  5 08:43:09 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: New B20 station opens
References: <005f01c6a037$31151af0$1800a8c0@cleancities>
Message-ID: <D6F6F505-978D-40F0-9187-F096EDDBC188@blast.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Tobin Freid" <tobin@tjcog.org>
> Date: July 5, 2006 9:28:08 AM EDT
> To: <tcc@tjcog.org>
> Subject: New B20 station opens
>
> Stuckey's/New Dixie Mart #19 located on I-95 and NC33 at exit 150  
> will be selling B20 beginning in July.  The estimated date to start  
> selling B20 is July 14.
>
> While the location is well outside of the Triangle Region, it is  
> strategically located along I-95 on the way to DC and other points  
> north.
>
> In addition, we are working with a station owner to bring B20 and  
> E85 to a station near RTP (near Hwy 55 and Hwy 54 intersection).  I  
> hope the final preparation for these fuels will be complete by the  
> end of July.  I will send out another notice for the grand opening  
> of that facility.
>
> Tobin L. Freid
> Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
> Triangle J Council of Governments
> (919) 558-9400
>
> -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for  
> Commuters --
>

From taterpatch at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 14:10:14 2006
From: taterpatch at gmail.com (Randall Hayes)
Date: Wed Jul  5 12:03:23 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Indonesian biodiesel
Message-ID: <63311b250607051010g4b149fafw82e9751cb7723fb3@mail.gmail.com>

interesting article full of pros and cons for a specific situation.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0705/p14s01-woap.html

I've been thinking about hemp for NC's specific situation, namely a
need for energy and a dying (dead?) textile industry.  Does anyone
know of groups in NC working on hemp (as opposed to its relatives)?

-rh
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Jul  5 17:16:13 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed Jul  5 15:09:21 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] NC Powerdown meeting next Wed. July 12th at
	8pm
References: <29906603.1152024618474.JavaMail.root@admin.meetup.com>
Message-ID: <F0385652-C7D7-415A-A90B-17B494E9D4CF@blast.com>


>
>  Stephen Hren, of www.ncpowerdown.org is hosting the next NC  
> Powerdown meeting. Check the website for directions & more information
>
> A general meeting will be at 8pm. At 9pm, author Alexis
> Ziegler, who will be visiting from Charlottesville, VA, will
> give a half-hour presentation on Culture Change and lead a
> discussion afterwards on how to shift our collective path from
> one of endless growth to something sustainable in the long run.
> He is the author of Conscious Culture Evolution, which can be
> found at:
>
> http://conev.org/alexisbook...
>
> and has also written for Earthfirst magazine:
>
> http://www.earthfirstjourna...
>
> I hope everyone can make it and please feel free to bring any
> material or thoughts or ideas you wish to discuss in the
> general meeting. So far as constructive action is concerned, I
> suggest the next step we take is scheduling meetings with our
> local representatives and give them a quick primer on peak oil,
> say, with the oil poster and other relevant material. If you
> want, figure out who your representative is and how to get in
> touch with them.
>
> Okay, hope to see you there!  Bring some beer or other beverage
> and snacks to liven things up!
>
> Stephen
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> To visit www.ncpowerdown.org, go here:
> http://oilawareness.meetup.com/216/

From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu  Wed Jul  5 22:48:04 2006
From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark J Ambrose)
Date: Wed Jul  5 16:41:13 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Hemp
Message-ID: <20060705214804.28693.fh044.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>

Not much work on hemp because it remains illegal to
grow it in the U.S.


------------------------------------------
"Randall Hayes" <taterpatch@gmail.com> wrote:

interesting article full of pros and cons for a
specific situation.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0705/p14s01-woap.html

I've been thinking about hemp for NC's specific
situation, namely a
need for energy and a dying (dead?) textile industry. 
Does anyone
know of groups in NC working on hemp (as opposed to its
relatives)?

-rh
_
From mambrose at fs.fed.us  Wed Jul  5 18:06:05 2006
From: mambrose at fs.fed.us (Mark Ambrose)
Date: Thu Jul  6 09:18:20 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Indonesian biodiesel
In-Reply-To: <63311b250607051010g4b149fafw82e9751cb7723fb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFE6F4B065.5739AD20-ON852571A2.0073D81D-852571A2.0073E9D6@fs.fed.us>

Not much work on hemp because it remains illegal to grow it in the U.S.



                                                                           
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interesting article full of pros and cons for a specific situation.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0705/p14s01-woap.html

I've been thinking about hemp for NC's specific situation, namely a
need for energy and a dying (dead?) textile industry.  Does anyone
know of groups in NC working on hemp (as opposed to its relatives)?

-rh
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From wrenchwench at blast.com  Thu Jul  6 11:25:41 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Thu Jul  6 09:19:15 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: B20 available in Hampton Roads
References: <FLEHKDNKENPOOLEKAHLEAEIPCKAA.brcfi@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DD4C735E-9D41-4BE9-B501-417AC30EDD83@blast.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Blue Ridge Clean Fuels" <brcfi@earthlink.net>
> Date: July 6, 2006 9:17:53 AM EDT
> To: "VA Biofuels Forum list" <biofuels-forum@freelists.org>
> Subject: B20 available in Hampton Roads
> Reply-To: brcfi@earthlink.net
>
> A cleaner diesel soon will appear at a gas station near you
> By TOM HOLDEN, The Virginian-Pilot
> ? July 6, 2006
> http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=107132&ran=116323
>
> Biodiesel, a cleaner burning fuel made from a combination of  
> regular diesel
> and vegetable oils or animal fats, will debut at eight Hampton  
> Roads filling
> stations later this month.
>
> No high-flying banners or free sodas are planned for the rollout,  
> but one
> distributor, Buddy Ivey of Domestic Fuels & Lubes , said Wednesday  
> that any
> chance for Americans to ease their dependence on foreign energy is  
> "long
> overdue."
>
> Ivey showed off two pumps at a BP station on North Witchduck Road in
> Virginia Beach where, he said, the fuel will go on sale the week of  
> July 16.
>
> "We have an obligation to customers and the community to do this,"  
> said
> Ivey, a sales manager for the Chesapeake fuels company. "It's the  
> right
> thing to do, the progressive thing to do. It's doing something  
> about energy
> independence rather than just sitting here and talking about it."
>
> Biodiesel is expected to sell for a few cents more per gallon than  
> regular
> diesel, which on Wednesday was averaging $2.84 a gallon in Hampton  
> Roads,
> according to the American Automobile Association. Gasoline was  
> selling for
> $2.92 .
>
> Biodiesel is made by chemically mixing vegetable oils, recycled  
> cooking
> grease or animal fats, with alcohol, and then blending about 20  
> percent of
> the mixture with 80 percent of regular petroleum-based diesel,  
> according to
> the U.S. Department of Energy.
>
> The fuel can run in any diesel engine and does not require engine
> modifications, according to an on line Energy Department fact sheet.
>
> Biodiesel has been available elsewhere in Virginia and the nation,
> especially along routes frequented by truckers.
>
> "Hampton Roads has finally caught up with the rest of the country,"  
> Ivey
> said.
>
> Using biodiesel in a conventional diesel engine "substantially"  
> reduces
> emissions of unburned hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, and the sooty
> by-products common to diesels, according to the Energy Department.
>
> Rep. Thelma Drake, R-Virginia Beach, was on hand to support energy
> diversity. To help underscore her interest in new technology, she  
> brought
> along a hydrogen-powered SUV courtesy of General Motors.
>
> She said investing in renewable fuels such as biodiesel, which is  
> usually
> made from soybeans, is important if the country is to move toward  
> greater
> energy independence.
>
> Drake also supports drilling off the East Coast for oil and natural  
> gas.
>
> Her Democratic opponent in the November congressional election,  
> Phillip
> Kellam , has criticized offshore drilling.
>
> Ivey said he wanted to start selling the biodiesel blend sooner,  
> but recent
> rains had delayed installing the fiberglass linings needed to  
> prepare his
> company's tanks for storing the fuel.
>
> Consumption of diesel fuel by passenger vehicles is a distant  
> second to
> gasoline in Hampton Roads, where the primary market is for truckers,
> municipalities, and the marine and rail industries.
>
> Geeta Patel, who with her husband, Vijay , helps run the BP station  
> on North
> Witchduck, where about 4,000 gallons of diesel is sold each month ,  
> expects
> strong customer interest in biodiesel.
>
> "We all need something like this with the gas prices so high," she  
> said.
>
> Reach Tom Holden at(757) 446-2331 or tom.holden@pilotonline.com
>
>
>
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> FORUM**************************
>
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From wrenchwench at blast.com  Thu Jul  6 15:11:39 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Thu Jul  6 13:04:49 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 EC Pressures Greece, Italy to Comply With Biofuels Directive 
Message-ID: <33727D2D-93A4-4EF3-A97B-65F26A587C3D@blast.com>


      The European Commission (EC) recently sent a reasoned opinion (the
      second step of an infringement procedure) to Italy for failure to
      provide adequate reasons for setting a biofuel target considerably
      lower than the two-percent reference value for 2005 laid down  
by the
      biofuels directive.

      The commission also decided to initiate court proceedings against
      Italy and send a reasoned opinion to Greece, as the two countries
      have not submitted the annual report on biofuel use that was  
due on
      July 1, 2005.

      "Biofuels contribute to our security of energy supply, reduce
      greenhouse gases and create jobs in rural areas," said EC
      commissioner Andris Piebalgs. "I would like to urge Italy and  
Greece
      to quickly fulfill their obligations under the directive."

      Contact: EC, http://ec.europa.eu/index_en.htm.


From taterpatch at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 16:12:26 2006
From: taterpatch at gmail.com (Randall Hayes)
Date: Thu Jul  6 14:05:34 2006
Subject: Fwd: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Hemp
In-Reply-To: <20060705214804.28693.fh044.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>
References: <20060705214804.28693.fh044.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>
Message-ID: <63311b250607061212i4a8469b7w8f0bb5eac2c26d6a@mail.gmail.com>

Coincidentally,

http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060705/NEWSREC0101/607050304/-1/NEWSRECRSSARKIVE

Stan Bingham apparently also drives biodiesel

http://www.veggiewerkes.com/Sen1.html

-rh

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mark J Ambrose <mambrose@alumni.princeton.edu>
Date: Jul 5, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Hemp
To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net


Not much work on hemp because it remains illegal to
grow it in the U.S.


------------------------------------------
"Randall Hayes" <taterpatch@gmail.com> wrote:

interesting article full of pros and cons for a
specific situation.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0705/p14s01-woap.html

I've been thinking about hemp for NC's specific
situation, namely a
need for energy and a dying (dead?) textile industry.
Does anyone
know of groups in NC working on hemp (as opposed to its
relatives)?

-rh
_
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From hogarth at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 03:38:33 2006
From: hogarth at gmail.com (Susan Hogarth)
Date: Fri Jul  7 01:31:35 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Piedmont Biofuels booth at the Eno River Festival
Message-ID: <3889aa560607062338i7237e199taa31edd48c86ca88@mail.gmail.com>

I was grinding corn all weekend, but I did pop down to say hi and take
some pics of the booth:

http://picasaweb.google.com/hogarth/2006EnoFestival/photo#4948395179307761682

http://picasaweb.google.com/hogarth/2006EnoFestival/photo#4948395239568703506

-- 
Susan Hogarth
http://www.colliething.com
From dentonconrad at netzero.net  Sat Jul  8 11:26:12 2006
From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad)
Date: Sat Jul  8 09:19:18 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Green Diesel: New Process Makes Liquid Transportation Fuel
  From Plants
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20060708102252.00bcde68@pop.netzero.net>

Green Diesel: New Process Makes Liquid Transportation Fuel From Plants -

"University of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering researchers have 
discovered a new way to make a diesel-like liquid fuel from carbohydrates 
commonly found in plants."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/050603074123.htm

"... our new process has the potential to creates twice the energy as is 
created in using corn to make ethanol."

From mattr at biofuels.coop  Mon Jul 10 15:28:04 2006
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Mon Jul 10 13:20:52 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 1982 Mercedes 300D
Message-ID: <0CDB0E92-C04A-40EB-9DD3-6342293768A9@biofuels.coop>

Interested parties please respond directly to Liz.

Thanks,
Matt



---------------

Hello fellow VegOil Enthusiasts!

Are you looking for a late model Mercedes Diesel in great shape?

282K, half life on brakes, brand new Goodyear tires, leather,  
sunroof, CD player, cruise.  Engine cleaned, regular oil changes, new  
fuel filter...

-Has run on 60-40 blend of veg (SWVO)-diesel for 6 months, about  
7,500 miles.
-Veg System consists of a heat exchanger and synthetic fuel lines.

Take a look:
http://mercedes4sale.blogspot.com/

$2400


Liz T. Bowen
lizardtea@yahoo.com

From dentonconrad at netzero.net  Tue Jul 11 08:54:25 2006
From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad)
Date: Tue Jul 11 06:47:06 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Corn fuel may feed dreams
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20060711075344.00bcd5e8@pop.netzero.net>

"Ethanol is far from a cure-all for the nation's energy problems. It's not 
as environmentally friendly as some supporters claim and would supply only 
12 percent of U.S. motoring fuel -- even if every acre of corn were used." -

http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/459402.html

From tomjarrett at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 11:09:55 2006
From: tomjarrett at gmail.com (thomas m. jarrett)
Date: Tue Jul 11 09:02:43 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous Materials
	Classification
In-Reply-To: <76ff028b6505b21209a1bcd77301da33@email.unc.edu>
References: <44A2EAB0.9010602@alumni.unc.edu>
	<3889aa560606281518g7d18926u8915c12f847331d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<76ff028b6505b21209a1bcd77301da33@email.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <44B3B133.5020001@alumni.unc.edu>

Folks,

This is a longer post that relates to storage to biofuels in residential 
structures, a potential issue I do not think the biofuels community has 
sufficiently addressed as we proceed with more mainstream roll out of 
these technologies.  So on to the experiences that have led to my 
concern.  I just bought my first house yesterday! Though it was a very 
exciting day for me amongst the many things I learned from reviewing the 
deed of trust agreement between my lender and I with my attorney at 
closing is that I can be in breach of contract and my lender can 
initiate foreclosure proceedings if I am found to have hazardous 
materials in the structure.  My lender can inspect at random and 
identify hazardous materials and issue me written notice that I have to 
remove the hazardous material and complete abatement of contamination 
resulting from the hazardous materials being stored in the structure 
within 30 days or they will being foreclosure proceedings.  I asked 
about keep gas can quantities of flammable liquids on site, my attorney 
said these quantities are generally overlooked but if you are not a 
farmer quantities of 5 gallons or more could be reported on.

The second experience that has led to my concern is last week I attended 
a Hazardous materials refresher training as part of my continuing 
education requirements for my certification as state certified fire 
fighter.  I played dumb and asked the instructor during this session 
about how biofuels would be classified/handled in a spill situation.  
The first point to make is the guy was clueless about biofuels.  He 
could not differentiate between E-85 and Biodiesel.  This I think is an 
important point as the man is one of the lead instructors across the 
state for this course that every fire fighter in the state has to take 
every year.  The information he passed on which comes from the state 
fire marshals office is that biofuels are to be classified and incidents 
associated with them as fuel oils like any other petrochemical based 
fuel (diesel and gasoline in particular). I elected not to challenge him 
on why they would be classified this way instead of as food or animal 
feed grade oils as I was sure the conversation would go no where.

I think it is important for us in the biofuels community to investigate 
the realities of biodiesel being classified as a hazmat fuel oil.  I 
think this classification could be a mechanism by which groups outside 
the biofuels community could retard the spread of biofuels. I think my 
experience with my deed agreement with my bank is a good example of how 
this could happen.  I will seriously consider the consequences of 
putting a small 20-30 gallon biodiesel reactor on site at my new home as 
it could hold me in violation of my deed agreement.  I can think of 
several other issues associated with having biodiesel classified as a 
hazmat fuel oil  but I stop here.  I just wanted to put some of my 
thoughts out there and in peoples heads to get a conversation going. I 
am myself far from resolution on the importance of these issues and how 
to proceed with dealing with them.

best,

tom

William Mackin wrote:

> The goals sound pretty minor.  60%?  Why not go to 100%?  By 2050, can 
> we really not get to carbon neutrality at UNC and Chapel Hill?  If 
> not, why?
>
> However, it's a start.  Not a time to gripe.  Let's just make the 
> goals and then make it better.  At least they're admitting that 
> there's a problem and putting a program in motion.
>
> Will
>
> On Jun 28, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Susan Hogarth wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/06, thomas m. jarrett <tomjarrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Noticed today that UNC and the town of Chapel Hill signed on to the
>>> Carbon Reduction Program.  UNC's press release can be found at
>>> http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jun06/carbon062706.htm.
>>> I think it is important for communities and institutions within the USA
>>> to make these statements particularly as our federal government refuses
>>> to support carbon reduction in the form of the Kyoto Accord.  Here's to
>>> continuing to make steps forward
>>
>>
>> UNC could best reduce carbon dioxide emissions by reducing their
>> amount of 'hot air'. I know that sounds flippant, but consider how the
>> announcement was made and consider the irony of an institution making
>> a pledge to reduce CO2 by *sending someone across the ocean on an
>> airliner*:
>>
>> "Earlier today, a UNC-Chapel Hill professor representing the United
>> States at an international environmental conference in England filed
>> the university's pledge that made the commitment official on the
>> website of the Carbon Reduction, or CRed, program. The university
>> administration finalized its pledge earlier this month."
>>
>> These guys love to talk the talk, but they squeal like heck if you
>> suggest they might use the photocopier less often or cut back on their
>> travel budgets.
>>
>> And does anyone else find the phrase "town-gown pair" especially 
>> irksome?
>>
>> -- 
>> Susan Hogarth
>> http://www.colliething.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Tue Jul 11 12:40:13 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Tue Jul 11 10:32:52 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Fwd: [growingsmallfarms] EXPERIENCED ORGANIC FARMER needed
References: <s4b38750.091@mail.cccc.edu>
Message-ID: <13CEECE7-D53B-4EF8-8E5D-DA5544E30C36@blast.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Robin Kohanowich" <rkohanowich@cccc.edu>
> Date: July 11, 2006 11:10:36 AM EDT
> To: <growingsmallfarms@lists.ncsu.edu>
> Subject: [growingsmallfarms] EXPERIENCED ORGANIC FARMER needed
>
> JOB POSTING:
>
> EXPERIENCED ORGANIC FARMER,  to operate organic CSA farm, (100  
> members,
> ambition to grow to 300), attendant greenhouse & orchard near
> Charlottesville, VA.
>   Housing plus great benefits, 401-K,  Salary  provided on receipt of
> resume'.
>   Successful applicant will have proven experience with organic  
> farming
> and employee management.
>   Reference required, Equal Opportunity Employer, Send resume to:
> veglady@mac.com
>
>
> Robin Kohanowich
> Coordinator, The Sustainable Farming Program
> CCCC
> 764 West Street
> Pittsboro, NC 27312
>

From marc at theforestfoundation.org  Tue Jul 11 12:57:30 2006
From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President)
Date: Tue Jul 11 10:56:36 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FW: Students Build Soy-fueled car
Message-ID: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFIENDDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>

Students built soy fueled car links:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/17/eveningnews/main1329941.sht

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/08/15/hybrid-attack/


From bknighton at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul 11 13:54:50 2006
From: bknighton at nc.rr.com (Bill Knighton)
Date: Tue Jul 11 11:47:33 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous Materials
	Classification
In-Reply-To: <44B3B133.5020001@alumni.unc.edu>
References: <44A2EAB0.9010602@alumni.unc.edu>
	<3889aa560606281518g7d18926u8915c12f847331d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<76ff028b6505b21209a1bcd77301da33@email.unc.edu>
	<44B3B133.5020001@alumni.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <44B3D7DA.9010105@nc.rr.com>

Maybe build a small outbuilding on your lot for B100 work.  The 
government allows you to build an outbuilding on your own property in 
most places if the dimensions are not greater than 12 feet in any 
direction.  This may not keep you completely free from your lender, but 
if there is an accident it might go much better. 


thomas m. jarrett wrote:
> Folks,
>
> This is a longer post that relates to storage to biofuels in 
> residential structures, a potential issue I do not think the biofuels 
> community has sufficiently addressed as we proceed with more 
> mainstream roll out of these technologies.  So on to the experiences 
> that have led to my concern.  I just bought my first house yesterday! 
> Though it was a very exciting day for me amongst the many things I 
> learned from reviewing the deed of trust agreement between my lender 
> and I with my attorney at closing is that I can be in breach of 
> contract and my lender can initiate foreclosure proceedings if I am 
> found to have hazardous materials in the structure.  My lender can 
> inspect at random and identify hazardous materials and issue me 
> written notice that I have to remove the hazardous material and 
> complete abatement of contamination resulting from the hazardous 
> materials being stored in the structure within 30 days or they will 
> being foreclosure proceedings.  I asked about keep gas can quantities 
> of flammable liquids on site, my attorney said these quantities are 
> generally overlooked but if you are not a farmer quantities of 5 
> gallons or more could be reported on.
snip

From marc at theforestfoundation.org  Tue Jul 11 14:18:00 2006
From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President)
Date: Tue Jul 11 12:16:53 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous
 MaterialsClassification
In-Reply-To: <44B3D7DA.9010105@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFEENGDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>

Just watch out for local building code regulations, which can start a
cascade of regulatory hurdles.

It is apparent that an educational system is needed for fire marshals and
other local government officials on biodiesel storage as well as
"homebrewers."

Who is going to do it and how is it going to get paid for?

-----Original Message-----
From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net
[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net]On Behalf Of Bill
Knighton
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:55 PM
Cc: BIG
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous
MaterialsClassification


Maybe build a small outbuilding on your lot for B100 work.  The
government allows you to build an outbuilding on your own property in
most places if the dimensions are not greater than 12 feet in any
direction.  This may not keep you completely free from your lender, but
if there is an accident it might go much better.


thomas m. jarrett wrote:
> Folks,
>
> This is a longer post that relates to storage to biofuels in
> residential structures, a potential issue I do not think the biofuels
> community has sufficiently addressed as we proceed with more
> mainstream roll out of these technologies.  So on to the experiences
> that have led to my concern.  I just bought my first house yesterday!
> Though it was a very exciting day for me amongst the many things I
> learned from reviewing the deed of trust agreement between my lender
> and I with my attorney at closing is that I can be in breach of
> contract and my lender can initiate foreclosure proceedings if I am
> found to have hazardous materials in the structure.  My lender can
> inspect at random and identify hazardous materials and issue me
> written notice that I have to remove the hazardous material and
> complete abatement of contamination resulting from the hazardous
> materials being stored in the structure within 30 days or they will
> being foreclosure proceedings.  I asked about keep gas can quantities
> of flammable liquids on site, my attorney said these quantities are
> generally overlooked but if you are not a farmer quantities of 5
> gallons or more could be reported on.
snip

_______________________________________________
Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group

From skepticbill at mac.com  Tue Jul 11 14:32:26 2006
From: skepticbill at mac.com (Bill O'Luanaigh (.mac))
Date: Tue Jul 11 12:25:17 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous
 MaterialsClassification
In-Reply-To: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFEENGDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
Message-ID: <C0D958EA.1C6B%skepticbill@mac.com>

Hey everyone,

This is a very timely thread. My wife and I are designing a house near
Chapel Hill and I plan on having a biodiesel tank for: my car, a tractor,
and to run a generator. Where can I find good counsel/info on siting and
relevant regs? Has anyone run this gauntlet? Can I buy you coffee and pick
your brain?

Thanks in advance!

-Bill O'Luanaigh-



On 7/11/06 1:18 PM, "Marc Dreyfors-President" <marc@theforestfoundation.org>
wrote:

> Just watch out for local building code regulations, which can start a
> cascade of regulatory hurdles.
> 
> It is apparent that an educational system is needed for fire marshals and
> other local government officials on biodiesel storage as well as
> "homebrewers."
> 
> Who is going to do it and how is it going to get paid for?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net
> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net]On Behalf Of Bill
> Knighton
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:55 PM
> Cc: BIG
> Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous
> MaterialsClassification
> 
> 
> Maybe build a small outbuilding on your lot for B100 work.  The
> government allows you to build an outbuilding on your own property in
> most places if the dimensions are not greater than 12 feet in any
> direction.  This may not keep you completely free from your lender, but
> if there is an accident it might go much better.
> 
> 
> thomas m. jarrett wrote:
>> Folks,
>> 
>> This is a longer post that relates to storage to biofuels in
>> residential structures, a potential issue I do not think the biofuels
>> community has sufficiently addressed as we proceed with more
>> mainstream roll out of these technologies.  So on to the experiences
>> that have led to my concern.  I just bought my first house yesterday!
>> Though it was a very exciting day for me amongst the many things I
>> learned from reviewing the deed of trust agreement between my lender
>> and I with my attorney at closing is that I can be in breach of
>> contract and my lender can initiate foreclosure proceedings if I am
>> found to have hazardous materials in the structure.  My lender can
>> inspect at random and identify hazardous materials and issue me
>> written notice that I have to remove the hazardous material and
>> complete abatement of contamination resulting from the hazardous
>> materials being stored in the structure within 30 days or they will
>> being foreclosure proceedings.  I asked about keep gas can quantities
>> of flammable liquids on site, my attorney said these quantities are
>> generally overlooked but if you are not a farmer quantities of 5
>> gallons or more could be reported on.
> snip
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group


From stinkfart at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 14:44:06 2006
From: stinkfart at gmail.com (Magnus)
Date: Tue Jul 11 12:36:48 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous
	MaterialsClassification
In-Reply-To: <C0D958EA.1C6B%skepticbill@mac.com>
References: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFEENGDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
	 <C0D958EA.1C6B%skepticbill@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2aa4b130607111044o8f1f627hbc3ccd8f8bf012be@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/11/06, Bill O'Luanaigh (.mac) <skepticbill@mac.com> wrote:
>  This is a very timely thread. My wife and I are designing a house near
> Chapel Hill and I plan on having a biodiesel tank for: my car, a tractor,
> and to run a generator. Where can I find good counsel/info on siting and
> relevant regs? Has anyone run this gauntlet? Can I buy you coffee and pick
> your brain?


And please post your responses to the list.  I think a number of
people would find it interesting.

I'm building a house in Person County right now and have similar  goals.
From bknighton at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul 11 14:54:33 2006
From: bknighton at nc.rr.com (Bill Knighton)
Date: Tue Jul 11 12:47:19 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous
	MaterialsClassification
In-Reply-To: <2aa4b130607111044o8f1f627hbc3ccd8f8bf012be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFEENGDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
	<C0D958EA.1C6B%skepticbill@mac.com>
	<2aa4b130607111044o8f1f627hbc3ccd8f8bf012be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44B3E5D9.3030902@nc.rr.com>

I hear some people use the same 300 gallon tanks as are used for heating 
oil and they don't bother with regs, but they do try to set it up 
correctly.  I've also heard from a heating oil vendor who delivers tanks 
that they don't bother with red tape.  They just bring it out and the 
owner takes responsibility.

Magnus wrote:
> On 7/11/06, Bill O'Luanaigh (.mac) <skepticbill@mac.com> wrote:
>>  This is a very timely thread. My wife and I are designing a house near
>> Chapel Hill and I plan on having a biodiesel tank for: my car, a 
>> tractor,
>> and to run a generator. Where can I find good counsel/info on siting and
>> relevant regs? Has anyone run this gauntlet? Can I buy you coffee and 
>> pick
>> your brain?
>
>
> And please post your responses to the list.  I think a number of
> people would find it interesting.
>
> I'm building a house in Person County right now and have similar  goals.
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
>

From leif at biofuels.coop  Tue Jul 11 15:59:46 2006
From: leif at biofuels.coop (Leif Forer)
Date: Tue Jul 11 13:52:42 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous Materials
	Classification
In-Reply-To: <44B3B133.5020001@alumni.unc.edu>
References: <44A2EAB0.9010602@alumni.unc.edu>
	<3889aa560606281518g7d18926u8915c12f847331d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<76ff028b6505b21209a1bcd77301da33@email.unc.edu>
	<44B3B133.5020001@alumni.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <1A742343-6FFF-47EE-B046-B13AD53975B2@biofuels.coop>

According to the International Fire Prevention Code (used by NC and  
most other states in the nation) biodiesel (B100) is a Class III  
Combustible Liquid.  That means is has a flash point of over 300  
degrees Fahrenheit.  It is not a hazardous material nor is it flammable.

Hope that helps address your concern Tom.

~leif

---------------------------
Leif Forer
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop
(919) 321-8260

On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:09 AM, thomas m. jarrett wrote:

> Folks,
>
> This is a longer post that relates to storage to biofuels in  
> residential structures, a potential issue I do not think the  
> biofuels community has sufficiently addressed as we proceed with  
> more mainstream roll out of these technologies.  So on to the  
> experiences that have led to my concern.  I just bought my first  
> house yesterday! Though it was a very exciting day for me amongst  
> the many things I learned from reviewing the deed of trust  
> agreement between my lender and I with my attorney at closing is  
> that I can be in breach of contract and my lender can initiate  
> foreclosure proceedings if I am found to have hazardous materials  
> in the structure.  My lender can inspect at random and identify  
> hazardous materials and issue me written notice that I have to  
> remove the hazardous material and complete abatement of  
> contamination resulting from the hazardous materials being stored  
> in the structure within 30 days or they will being foreclosure  
> proceedings.  I asked about keep gas can quantities of flammable  
> liquids on site, my attorney said these quantities are generally  
> overlooked but if you are not a farmer quantities of 5 gallons or  
> more could be reported on.
>
> The second experience that has led to my concern is last week I  
> attended a Hazardous materials refresher training as part of my  
> continuing education requirements for my certification as state  
> certified fire fighter.  I played dumb and asked the instructor  
> during this session about how biofuels would be classified/handled  
> in a spill situation.  The first point to make is the guy was  
> clueless about biofuels.  He could not differentiate between E-85  
> and Biodiesel.  This I think is an important point as the man is  
> one of the lead instructors across the state for this course that  
> every fire fighter in the state has to take every year.  The  
> information he passed on which comes from the state fire marshals  
> office is that biofuels are to be classified and incidents  
> associated with them as fuel oils like any other petrochemical  
> based fuel (diesel and gasoline in particular). I elected not to  
> challenge him on why they would be classified this way instead of  
> as food or animal feed grade oils as I was sure the conversation  
> would go no where.
>
> I think it is important for us in the biofuels community to  
> investigate the realities of biodiesel being classified as a hazmat  
> fuel oil.  I think this classification could be a mechanism by  
> which groups outside the biofuels community could retard the spread  
> of biofuels. I think my experience with my deed agreement with my  
> bank is a good example of how this could happen.  I will seriously  
> consider the consequences of putting a small 20-30 gallon biodiesel  
> reactor on site at my new home as it could hold me in violation of  
> my deed agreement.  I can think of several other issues associated  
> with having biodiesel classified as a hazmat fuel oil  but I stop  
> here.  I just wanted to put some of my thoughts out there and in  
> peoples heads to get a conversation going. I am myself far from  
> resolution on the importance of these issues and how to proceed  
> with dealing with them.
>
> best,
>
> tom
>
> William Mackin wrote:
>
>> The goals sound pretty minor.  60%?  Why not go to 100%?  By 2050,  
>> can we really not get to carbon neutrality at UNC and Chapel  
>> Hill?  If not, why?
>>
>> However, it's a start.  Not a time to gripe.  Let's just make the  
>> goals and then make it better.  At least they're admitting that  
>> there's a problem and putting a program in motion.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Susan Hogarth wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/06, thomas m. jarrett <tomjarrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Noticed today that UNC and the town of Chapel Hill signed on to the
>>>> Carbon Reduction Program.  UNC's press release can be found at
>>>> http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jun06/carbon062706.htm.
>>>> I think it is important for communities and institutions within  
>>>> the USA
>>>> to make these statements particularly as our federal government  
>>>> refuses
>>>> to support carbon reduction in the form of the Kyoto Accord.   
>>>> Here's to
>>>> continuing to make steps forward
>>>
>>>
>>> UNC could best reduce carbon dioxide emissions by reducing their
>>> amount of 'hot air'. I know that sounds flippant, but consider  
>>> how the
>>> announcement was made and consider the irony of an institution  
>>> making
>>> a pledge to reduce CO2 by *sending someone across the ocean on an
>>> airliner*:
>>>
>>> "Earlier today, a UNC-Chapel Hill professor representing the United
>>> States at an international environmental conference in England filed
>>> the university's pledge that made the commitment official on the
>>> website of the Carbon Reduction, or CRed, program. The university
>>> administration finalized its pledge earlier this month."
>>>
>>> These guys love to talk the talk, but they squeal like heck if you
>>> suggest they might use the photocopier less often or cut back on  
>>> their
>>> travel budgets.
>>>
>>> And does anyone else find the phrase "town-gown pair" especially  
>>> irksome?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Susan Hogarth
>>> http://www.colliething.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group

From zapatavive at cox.net  Tue Jul 11 16:36:36 2006
From: zapatavive at cox.net (!Zapata Vive!)
Date: Tue Jul 11 14:28:47 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous Materials
	Classification
In-Reply-To: <1A742343-6FFF-47EE-B046-B13AD53975B2@biofuels.coop>
References: <44A2EAB0.9010602@alumni.unc.edu>
	<3889aa560606281518g7d18926u8915c12f847331d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<76ff028b6505b21209a1bcd77301da33@email.unc.edu>
	<44B3B133.5020001@alumni.unc.edu>
	<1A742343-6FFF-47EE-B046-B13AD53975B2@biofuels.coop>
Message-ID: <C8C83CAE-06AE-473A-8B4C-7C1D45E7245F@cox.net>

Go Leif!

But let's not forget that the same may not be true of other things  
one might use in conjunction with a reactor, such as methanol for  
instance.  Luckily, so little of that is required that I bet it would  
fall under the lender's "look the other way" category.

As a side note, I work in the real estate industry, so I feel I can  
safely say there really isn't a lender out there that is going to  
make surprise inspections.  Particularly once the loan is sold in the  
secondary market and your lender is no longer the local person you  
first spoke with!

-Jeff

On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:59 PM, Leif Forer wrote:

> According to the International Fire Prevention Code (used by NC and  
> most other states in the nation) biodiesel (B100) is a Class III  
> Combustible Liquid.  That means is has a flash point of over 300  
> degrees Fahrenheit.  It is not a hazardous material nor is it  
> flammable.
>
> Hope that helps address your concern Tom.
>
> ~leif
>
> ---------------------------
> Leif Forer
> Piedmont Biofuels
> www.biofuels.coop
> (919) 321-8260
>
> On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:09 AM, thomas m. jarrett wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> This is a longer post that relates to storage to biofuels in  
>> residential structures, a potential issue I do not think the  
>> biofuels community has sufficiently addressed as we proceed with  
>> more mainstream roll out of these technologies.  So on to the  
>> experiences that have led to my concern.  I just bought my first  
>> house yesterday! Though it was a very exciting day for me amongst  
>> the many things I learned from reviewing the deed of trust  
>> agreement between my lender and I with my attorney at closing is  
>> that I can be in breach of contract and my lender can initiate  
>> foreclosure proceedings if I am found to have hazardous materials  
>> in the structure.  My lender can inspect at random and identify  
>> hazardous materials and issue me written notice that I have to  
>> remove the hazardous material and complete abatement of  
>> contamination resulting from the hazardous materials being stored  
>> in the structure within 30 days or they will being foreclosure  
>> proceedings.  I asked about keep gas can quantities of flammable  
>> liquids on site, my attorney said these quantities are generally  
>> overlooked but if you are not a farmer quantities of 5 gallons or  
>> more could be reported on.
>>
>> The second experience that has led to my concern is last week I  
>> attended a Hazardous materials refresher training as part of my  
>> continuing education requirements for my certification as state  
>> certified fire fighter.  I played dumb and asked the instructor  
>> during this session about how biofuels would be classified/handled  
>> in a spill situation.  The first point to make is the guy was  
>> clueless about biofuels.  He could not differentiate between E-85  
>> and Biodiesel.  This I think is an important point as the man is  
>> one of the lead instructors across the state for this course that  
>> every fire fighter in the state has to take every year.  The  
>> information he passed on which comes from the state fire marshals  
>> office is that biofuels are to be classified and incidents  
>> associated with them as fuel oils like any other petrochemical  
>> based fuel (diesel and gasoline in particular). I elected not to  
>> challenge him on why they would be classified this way instead of  
>> as food or animal feed grade oils as I was sure the conversation  
>> would go no where.
>>
>> I think it is important for us in the biofuels community to  
>> investigate the realities of biodiesel being classified as a  
>> hazmat fuel oil.  I think this classification could be a mechanism  
>> by which groups outside the biofuels community could retard the  
>> spread of biofuels. I think my experience with my deed agreement  
>> with my bank is a good example of how this could happen.  I will  
>> seriously consider the consequences of putting a small 20-30  
>> gallon biodiesel reactor on site at my new home as it could hold  
>> me in violation of my deed agreement.  I can think of several  
>> other issues associated with having biodiesel classified as a  
>> hazmat fuel oil  but I stop here.  I just wanted to put some of my  
>> thoughts out there and in peoples heads to get a conversation  
>> going. I am myself far from resolution on the importance of these  
>> issues and how to proceed with dealing with them.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> tom
>>
>> William Mackin wrote:
>>
>>> The goals sound pretty minor.  60%?  Why not go to 100%?  By  
>>> 2050, can we really not get to carbon neutrality at UNC and  
>>> Chapel Hill?  If not, why?
>>>
>>> However, it's a start.  Not a time to gripe.  Let's just make the  
>>> goals and then make it better.  At least they're admitting that  
>>> there's a problem and putting a program in motion.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Susan Hogarth wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/06, thomas m. jarrett <tomjarrett@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Noticed today that UNC and the town of Chapel Hill signed on to  
>>>>> the
>>>>> Carbon Reduction Program.  UNC's press release can be found at
>>>>> http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/jun06/carbon062706.htm.
>>>>> I think it is important for communities and institutions within  
>>>>> the USA
>>>>> to make these statements particularly as our federal government  
>>>>> refuses
>>>>> to support carbon reduction in the form of the Kyoto Accord.   
>>>>> Here's to
>>>>> continuing to make steps forward
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> UNC could best reduce carbon dioxide emissions by reducing their
>>>> amount of 'hot air'. I know that sounds flippant, but consider  
>>>> how the
>>>> announcement was made and consider the irony of an institution  
>>>> making
>>>> a pledge to reduce CO2 by *sending someone across the ocean on an
>>>> airliner*:
>>>>
>>>> "Earlier today, a UNC-Chapel Hill professor representing the United
>>>> States at an international environmental conference in England  
>>>> filed
>>>> the university's pledge that made the commitment official on the
>>>> website of the Carbon Reduction, or CRed, program. The university
>>>> administration finalized its pledge earlier this month."
>>>>
>>>> These guys love to talk the talk, but they squeal like heck if you
>>>> suggest they might use the photocopier less often or cut back on  
>>>> their
>>>> travel budgets.
>>>>
>>>> And does anyone else find the phrase "town-gown pair" especially  
>>>> irksome?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Susan Hogarth
>>>> http://www.colliething.com
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>>
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>
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From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 16:53:31 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Tue Jul 11 14:46:14 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Robert Samuelson's op-ed
Message-ID: <84a57a420607111253w212ab81by40a0d3e2d40dc2fd@mail.gmail.com>

Dear fellow biofuelers,

I recently read a disturbing opinion-editorial written by Robert
Samuelson.  (See link below.)  It was shared on a listserv of folks
concerned about energy & agriculture.  Well, Samuelson's piece really
annoyed me, and I felt it must not stand un-challenged.  Plus, I got
really inspired reading the editorial by Chatham Olive printed in last
weeks' Raleigh News & Observer.  So I wrote the following, which I
thought I should share with this list.

Please do consider contacting your NC legislators about the NC Energy
Independence Act.  It's very much worth our support.

Cheers!

John


*******************************

Dear Mr Peele, et al,

Re: Washington Post op-ed:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400789.html

My concern with Samuelson's conclusion is that it is simplistic and
ignorant: Climate change is not simply "an engineering problem."  Nor
are the solutions necessarily "draconian."  Samuelson's op-ed ignores
the many side-benefits of the low-hanging fruit available in our
existing basket of solutions: We can begin fighting climate change
with win-win measures that improve our economy (among other benefits)
by opening the opportunities to efficiency, renewable energy, and
"home-grown" fuel.

The NC Ridge Law, a well-meaning law that protects mountain vistas,
has been interpreted to forbid wind-turbines.  Yet in other states,
wind power has been shown to be cost-competitive with conventional
fossil-fueled electricity generation.  Wind power in NC would give
local mountain communities a direct economic boost, and the state's
economy would improve for keepin' our money in-state.  There's a low
hanging fruit that would benefit NC greatly.

Under currrent law, the tiny bit of biodiesel produced here in North
Carolina is taxed the same as petroleum from the Persian Gulf.  If we
give climate-friendly fuels like biodiesel and ethanol a "tax-holiday"
the result wouldn't amount to a rounding error in state coffers.  Yet
it would mean alot to North Carolina farmers and would boost an
important fledgling industry.

Wouldn't it be helpful if farmers could generate electricity with hog
waste and sell it back into the grid at real market prices?
Digester-gas-fired generators could be dispatched during the hours
when electricity demand is highest, reducing the need for power to be
imported from out-of-state.  For years, the Chinese have been using
swine manure to make power: Surely we can do better.

The enclosed editorial highlights the merits of the Energy
Independence Act (NC Senate Bill 2051).  This modest proposal would
use cost-effective measures to improve North Carolina's energy
efficiency in transportation, government buildings, housing, create
jobs, and improve our economy by increasing the monies circulating in
our state.

Our national security is improved with every barrel of foreign oil
conserved.  Our environment is cleaner when we use renewable energy.
Our economy is improved with energy efficiency.

Let's focus on ways we can unleash the powers of native ingenuity,
innovation, and determination to help our economy, our climate, and
our country all at the same time.  North Carolina farmers need leaders
to think outside the box and look for opportunities, rather than
excuses.

Sincerely,

John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
***************************


Chatham Olive - Point of view - The News & Observer
Published 6-6-2006

In the season of our 230th national birthday, some North Carolinians
are calling for more energy independence, and it's just possible their
call will be answered. Both the General Assembly and the state
Utilities Commission could begin to make North Carolina a cleaner,
stronger, freer state, and not just an energy "colony."

We need to wake up to the possibilities of energy efficiency and
renewable energy generated from sunshine, wind and bio-based fuels.
The environmental benefits -- cleaner air, bluer skies, less mercury
in our future food chain -- are substantial. The economic benefits
would be a stronger economy, a more diversified, thus more stable
energy supply, and jobs.

The Energy Independence Act, state Senate Bill 2051, offers North
Carolina a chance to take a leadership role in reducing costly
dependence on energy imports. Just as colonies imported their finished
goods and sent away their natural resources, we now import 98 percent
of the energy used in the state each year, and we send up to $15
billion out of our economy to pay for it.

If we could keep a portion of that money in the state to generate
energy efficiency and renewable energy, we would have more efficient,
less-polluting energy sources and a stronger economy. This is an
achievable opportunity.

While other states have made efficiency a policy priority, North
Carolina has sat on the sidelines. This legislation will help us boost
our energy sector by, among other things, lowering the price at the
pump for homegrown "freedom fuels" such as biodiesel. (The Senate bill
provides a tax credit to the distributor of biodiesel fuels in order
to bring the cost of biodiesel closer to the cost of regular diesel.)
The bill also will save taxpayers money by reducing government's use
of energy and by lowering the cost of an energy-efficient home.

Why now? Duke Energy has begun planning to build two more expensive,
polluting coal-fired plants. The planning horizon for traditional
energy plants is long, and if power companies are going to switch from
sources such as coal and nuclear fuel it will take time. This
legislation gives them the opportunity to make real progress by
developing renewable energy sources and better programs that encourage
efficiency by rewarding customers for using less electricity. These
options will save consumers money, and our state will be doing its
part to decrease our dependency on foreign oil.

The Utilities Commission, whose job it is to regulate the industry on
behalf of the public, is in the process of examining the potential for
efficiency and renewable energy measures in formal hearings. The
commission will hear expert testimony looking into why Duke Energy,
Progress Energy and Dominion have downplayed energy efficiency in
their future plans in favor of more expensive nuclear and coal power
plants.

Public hearings about our energy future were recently held in Raleigh,
Asheville and Greenville by the Utilities Commission. The usually
quiet hearing rooms were wall-to-wall with ratepayers demanding that
efficiency and renewables be given full consideration before turning
to more of the same old sources. In Raleigh, 125 citizens filled a
large hearing room to capacity, and 41 people -- ranging from
professors to farmers to representatives of the N.C. Council of
Churches -- gave sworn statements or submitted written comments.
Asheville was no different, with over 150 people in attendance, and 40
testifying.

(You can read all about it on the Utilities Commission Web site (
http://www.ncuc.net ) by selecting the Search tab and entering Docket
No. E-100 Sub 103 and looking at Transcript of Testimony Volumes 1 and
2 (heard 5-01-06)).

In the meantime, the General Assembly has the ability to act now.
North Carolina, which stood firm for freedom and the Bill of Rights in
revolutionary times, has a chance to declare its energy independence.
The people have spoken, and the General Assembly should not go home
this summer without making us freer and stronger economically.

(Chatham Olive of Charlotte is a recent graduate of N.C. State's
Renewable Energy Diploma Series. He serves on the Energy and Executive
committees of the N.C. Sierra Club.)
From marthamason at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 11 20:14:26 2006
From: marthamason at earthlink.net (Martha Mason)
Date: Tue Jul 11 18:07:07 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous
	MaterialsClassification
In-Reply-To: <2aa4b130607111044o8f1f627hbc3ccd8f8bf012be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFEENGDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
	<C0D958EA.1C6B%skepticbill@mac.com>
	<2aa4b130607111044o8f1f627hbc3ccd8f8bf012be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a19958f5cc99e8e9e7d5ab53c728a28@earthlink.net>

Your local building officials can tell you what your jurisdiction 
enforces.  The NC Building Code addresses hazardous materials but the 
focus is more on the manufacturing process than on small individual 
producers.  The amount of material produced, the integrity of the 
building in which it is stored and the distance from adjacent 
occupancies is considered.  The local jurisdiction, however, may have 
additional regulations if you are within the city limits.  Inspectors 
and/or plan reviewers with city and county planning and inspections 
departments will meet with you to discuss these issues so everything 
can be resolved before construction starts.  Your lender or 
subdivision, however, may have other restrictions which you will need 
to clarify with them.  A separation of greater than 30' between 
occupancies (residences, storage, etc.) generally is allowed by the 
Code without any additional fire separation requirements -- but check 
with your local jurisdiction before starting!

Good luck.


On Jul 11, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Magnus wrote:

> On 7/11/06, Bill O'Luanaigh (.mac) <skepticbill@mac.com> wrote:
>>  This is a very timely thread. My wife and I are designing a house 
>> near
>> Chapel Hill and I plan on having a biodiesel tank for: my car, a 
>> tractor,
>> and to run a generator. Where can I find good counsel/info on siting 
>> and
>> relevant regs? Has anyone run this gauntlet? Can I buy you coffee and 
>> pick
>> your brain?
>
>
> And please post your responses to the list.  I think a number of
> people would find it interesting.
>
> I'm building a house in Person County right now and have similar  
> goals.
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>

From bknighton at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul 11 21:00:31 2006
From: bknighton at nc.rr.com (Bill Knighton)
Date: Tue Jul 11 18:57:10 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous
	MaterialsClassification
In-Reply-To: <4a19958f5cc99e8e9e7d5ab53c728a28@earthlink.net>
References: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFEENGDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
	<C0D958EA.1C6B%skepticbill@mac.com>
	<2aa4b130607111044o8f1f627hbc3ccd8f8bf012be@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a19958f5cc99e8e9e7d5ab53c728a28@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44B43B9F.2020507@nc.rr.com>

If home users of biofuels need to worry about all of this just to 
<store> B100 for personal use in a car, tractor and generator then there 
are real obstacles in the way of biofuels and alternative energy that 
need to be ignored and hopefully eliminated.   I would guess that very 
few home users have done other than put up a tank and use it freely.  If 
anyone is looking at this thread to get an idea of how biofuels are 
being used so that they can determine what is prudent for themselves, 
know that the majority exercise their freedom and independence. 

Martha Mason wrote:
> Your local building officials can tell you what your jurisdiction 
> enforces.  The NC Building Code addresses hazardous materials but the 
> focus is more on the manufacturing process than on small individual 
> producers.  The amount of material produced, the integrity of the 
> building in which it is stored and the distance from adjacent 
> occupancies is considered.  The local jurisdiction, however, may have 
> additional regulations if you are within the city limits.  Inspectors 
> and/or plan reviewers with city and county planning and inspections 
> departments will meet with you to discuss these issues so everything 
> can be resolved before construction starts.  Your lender or 
> subdivision, however, may have other restrictions which you will need 
> to clarify with them.  A separation of greater than 30' between 
> occupancies (residences, storage, etc.) generally is allowed by the 
> Code without any additional fire separation requirements -- but check 
> with your local jurisdiction before starting!
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Magnus wrote:
>
>> On 7/11/06, Bill O'Luanaigh (.mac) <skepticbill@mac.com> wrote:
>>>  This is a very timely thread. My wife and I are designing a house near
>>> Chapel Hill and I plan on having a biodiesel tank for: my car, a 
>>> tractor,
>>> and to run a generator. Where can I find good counsel/info on siting 
>>> and
>>> relevant regs? Has anyone run this gauntlet? Can I buy you coffee 
>>> and pick
>>> your brain?
>>
>>
>> And please post your responses to the list.  I think a number of
>> people would find it interesting.
>>
>> I'm building a house in Person County right now and have similar  goals.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
>

From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 19:08:24 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Tue Jul 11 21:31:50 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: Washington Post article on global
	warming
Message-ID: <84a57a420607061508n17a2c2f9na33281e3280419b1@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mr Peele, et al,

Re: Washington Post op-ed:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400789.html

My concern with Samuelson's conclusion is that it is simplistic and
ignorant: Climate change is not simply "an engineering problem."  Nor
are the solutions necessarily "draconian."  Samuelson's op-ed ignores
the many side-benefits of the low-hanging fruit available in our
existing basket of solutions: We can begin fighting climate change
with win-win measures that improve our economy (among other benefits)
by opening the opportunities to efficiency, renewable energy, and
"home-grown" fuel.

The NC Ridge Law, a well-meaning law that protects mountain vistas,
has been interpreted to forbid wind-turbines.  Yet in other states,
wind power has been shown to be cost-competitive with conventional
fossil-fueled electricity generation.  Wind power in NC would give
local mountain communities a direct economic boost, and the state's
economy would improve for keepin' our money in-state.  There's a low
hanging fruit that would benefit NC greatly.

Under currrent law, the tiny bit of biodiesel produced here in North
Carolina is taxed the same as petroleum from the Persian Gulf.  If we
give climate-friendly fuels like biodiesel and ethanol a "tax-holiday"
the result wouldn't amount to a rounding error in state coffers.  Yet
it would mean alot to North Carolina farmers and would boost an
important fledgling industry.

Wouldn't it be helpful if farmers could generate electricity with hog
waste and sell it back into the grid at real market prices?
Digester-gas-fired generators could be dispatched during the hours
when electricity demand is highest, reducing the need for power to be
imported from out-of-state.  For years, the Chinese have been using
swine manure to make power: Surely we can do better.

The enclosed editorial highlights the merits of the Energy
Independence Act (NC Senate Bill 2051).  This modest proposal would
use cost-effective measures to improve North Carolina's energy
efficiency in transportation, government buildings, housing, create
jobs, and improve our economy by increasing the monies circulating in
our state.

Our national security is improved with every barrel of foreign oil
conserved.  Our environment is cleaner when we use renewable energy.
Our economy is improved with energy efficiency.

Let's focus on ways we can unleash the powers of native ingenuity,
innovation, and determination to help our economy, our climate, and
our country all at the same time.  North Carolina farmers need leaders
to think outside the box and look for opportunities, rather than
excuses.

Sincerely,

John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
***************************


Chatham Olive - Point of view - The News & Observer
Published 6-6-2006

In the season of our 230th national birthday, some North Carolinians
are calling for more energy independence, and it's just possible their
call will be answered. Both the General Assembly and the state
Utilities Commission could begin to make North Carolina a cleaner,
stronger, freer state, and not just an energy "colony."

We need to wake up to the possibilities of energy efficiency and
renewable energy generated from sunshine, wind and bio-based fuels.
The environmental benefits -- cleaner air, bluer skies, less mercury
in our future food chain -- are substantial. The economic benefits
would be a stronger economy, a more diversified, thus more stable
energy supply, and jobs.

The Energy Independence Act, state Senate Bill 2051, offers North
Carolina a chance to take a leadership role in reducing costly
dependence on energy imports. Just as colonies imported their finished
goods and sent away their natural resources, we now import 98 percent
of the energy used in the state each year, and we send up to $15
billion out of our economy to pay for it.

If we could keep a portion of that money in the state to generate
energy efficiency and renewable energy, we would have more efficient,
less-polluting energy sources and a stronger economy. This is an
achievable opportunity.

While other states have made efficiency a policy priority, North
Carolina has sat on the sidelines. This legislation will help us boost
our energy sector by, among other things, lowering the price at the
pump for homegrown "freedom fuels" such as biodiesel. (The Senate bill
provides a tax credit to the distributor of biodiesel fuels in order
to bring the cost of biodiesel closer to the cost of regular diesel.)
The bill also will save taxpayers money by reducing government's use
of energy and by lowering the cost of an energy-efficient home.

Why now? Duke Energy has begun planning to build two more expensive,
polluting coal-fired plants. The planning horizon for traditional
energy plants is long, and if power companies are going to switch from
sources such as coal and nuclear fuel it will take time. This
legislation gives them the opportunity to make real progress by
developing renewable energy sources and better programs that encourage
efficiency by rewarding customers for using less electricity. These
options will save consumers money, and our state will be doing its
part to decrease our dependency on foreign oil.

The Utilities Commission, whose job it is to regulate the industry on
behalf of the public, is in the process of examining the potential for
efficiency and renewable energy measures in formal hearings. The
commission will hear expert testimony looking into why Duke Energy,
Progress Energy and Dominion have downplayed energy efficiency in
their future plans in favor of more expensive nuclear and coal power
plants.

Public hearings about our energy future were recently held in Raleigh,
Asheville and Greenville by the Utilities Commission. The usually
quiet hearing rooms were wall-to-wall with ratepayers demanding that
efficiency and renewables be given full consideration before turning
to more of the same old sources. In Raleigh, 125 citizens filled a
large hearing room to capacity, and 41 people -- ranging from
professors to farmers to representatives of the N.C. Council of
Churches -- gave sworn statements or submitted written comments.
Asheville was no different, with over 150 people in attendance, and 40
testifying.

(You can read all about it on the Utilities Commission Web site (
http://www.ncuc.net ) by selecting the Search tab and entering Docket
No. E-100 Sub 103 and looking at Transcript of Testimony Volumes 1 and
2 (heard 5-01-06)).

In the meantime, the General Assembly has the ability to act now.
North Carolina, which stood firm for freedom and the Bill of Rights in
revolutionary times, has a chance to declare its energy independence.
The people have spoken, and the General Assembly should not go home
this summer without making us freer and stronger economically.

(Chatham Olive of Charlotte is a recent graduate of N.C. State's
Renewable Energy Diploma Series. He serves on the Energy and Executive
committees of the N.C. Sierra Club.)
From gbhamra at email.unc.edu  Fri Jul  7 10:05:01 2006
From: gbhamra at email.unc.edu (Ghassan Hamra)
Date: Tue Jul 11 21:31:56 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] looking for VW diesel
Message-ID: <44AE5BFD.2040902@email.unc.edu>

Hello,

      I'm hoping to find a VW Golf with a manual transmission, diesel 
engine of course. If not, something along the lines of a hatchback model 
car. More recent cars with low mileage would be desirable, but I would 
consider other cars as well.

thanks!

Ghassan Hamra

gbhamra@email.unc.edu
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Jul 12 00:31:49 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Tue Jul 11 23:08:04 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NEX Introduces B20 to Tidewater
References: <FLEHKDNKENPOOLEKAHLECEKPCKAA.brcfi@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0C482BCE-7A25-4C10-9FEB-CC2AEDC27E7D@blast.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Blue Ridge Clean Fuels" <brcfi@earthlink.net>
> Date: July 11, 2006 5:16:24 PM EDT
> To: "VA Biofuels Forum list" <biofuels-forum@freelists.org>
> Subject: NEX Introduces B20 to Tidewater
> Reply-To: brcfi@earthlink.net
>
> Navy Exchanges Now Offer Innovative Fuel Alternatives
>
> By Kristine M. Sturkie, Navy Exchange Service Command Public Affairs
>
> VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (NNS) -- The Navy Exchange Service Command  
> (NEXCOM),through coordination with the Regional Transportation  
> Office, has opened two new biodiesel fuel pumps at NEX gas stations  
> at Naval Station Norfolk and Naval Air Station Oceana,Va.
>
> The two Biodiesel 20 (B20) pumps, which opened for business June 6  
> and June
> 19, respectively, are open seven days a week, offering the fuel for  
> sale to
> the fleet and the general public.
>
> "The biodiesel pumps are a continuation of NEXCOM's efforts to help  
> the
> Department of Defense and Navy meet its objective of reducing  
> reliance on
> petroleum and helps us meet the requirements of Executive Order  
> 13149,"
> said
> Larry Boone, NEXCOM's automotive program manager. "The order  
> ensures the
> Federal government exercises leadership in the reduction of petroleum
> consumption through improvements in fleet fuel efficiency and the  
> use of
> alternative fuels. The Navy Exchange is a leader in offering these  
> fuel
> alternatives. Through this initiative, we are meeting and exceeding  
> both
> our
> customers' and the Navy's expectations."
>
> B20 fuel is manufactured from biodegradable substances such as  
> vegetable
> oils, recycled cooking grease or animal fats. The B20 fuel offered  
> at Navy
> Exchange CITGO gas stations is soy-based and made from a mixture of 20
> percent biodiesel and 80 percent regular petroleum-based diesel.
>
> "Any diesel engine can use biodiesel fuel," said Boone. "It doesn't  
> need
> converting. However, check your car's owner's manual or consult  
> your car
> manufacturer about biodiesel blends when considering the use of  
> biodiesel."
>
>
> While biodiesel costs a little more at the pump, it is ultimately  
> better
> for
> the environment and reduces the country's dependency on petroleum.  
> When
> used
> on a wide scale, biodiesel fuel would essentially cut down  
> petroleum usage
> by 20 percent, a marked decrease.
>
> The Navy Exchange also operates alternative fuels at NEX Quarters K  
> near
> the
> Pentagon, NEX Jacksonville, Fla., and NEX Mayport, Fla. These  
> facilities
> offer alternative fuels to anyone who can enter the base. Even  
> though the
> Navy Exchange restricts shopping privileges to only active duty,  
> retirees
> and their family members, the Armed Service Exchange Regulations  
> (ASER)
> grants military exchanges the authority to sell alternative fuels  
> to the
> public in unison with the government's lead on the use of alternative
> fuels.
>
> For additional information, check out the National Biodiesel Board  
> Web site
> at www.biodiesel.org.
>
> For related news, visit the Navy Exchange Service Command Navy  
> NewsStand
> page at www.news.navy.mil/local/nexcom/.
>
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> FORUM**************************
>
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>
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From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 22:22:15 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Wed Jul 12 00:06:53 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 ANNOUNCING: New owners group for rare US Diesel Escorts
Message-ID: <84a57a420607112122t142b457blda7c59c42ccee23f@mail.gmail.com>

Announcing a new discussion group for owners of the rare US Ford
Escort Diesel cars!

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DieselEscortOwners/

Until now, there was no place for owners of these rare cars to connect
on the internet.  This new group will focus on discussions of
maintenance, repairs, use of biofuels, modifications, parts sources,
and any other information that might be helpful to owners of these
unusual, limited production cars.  The US Ford Escort's were made with
diesel engines from 1984 to 1987 only.  The same engines (Mazda RF
series) were sold in other cars in other countries in later years.

If you own one of these cool high-MPG cars, or you know someone who
owns one, check it out!

Please pass this along to other diesel vehicle owners listservs.

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DieselEscortOwners/

Cheers!

-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Jul 12 10:07:45 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed Jul 12 08:00:43 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: heavy duty hybrid truck demo 7/13
References: <007e01c6a5b3$737f9d30$1800a8c0@cleancities>
Message-ID: <6FE4D2BF-D6C7-4A4A-966A-1182EC008238@blast.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Tobin Freid" <tobin@tjcog.org>
> Date: July 12, 2006 9:00:03 AM EDT
> To: <tcc@tjcog.org>
> Subject: heavy duty hybrid truck demo 7/13
>
> International Truck and a consortium of other companies have  
> designed and built a hybrid-diesel-electric chassis to be used for  
> Heavy Duty trucks. So far, the chassis has been used for bucket  
> trucks with great success. This truck gets between 40-60% better  
> fuel economy than other trucks.  It can generate 25 kilowatts of  
> electricity for tools, etc. with the engine off and goes on all- 
> electric during idling.
>
> International is planning to build an additional 100 hybrid chassis  
> that would be available to anyone.  Their use would not be  
> restricted to aerial devices.  They could be used for  
> municipalities,etc.
>
> Duke Energy has one of just a few dozen of these trucks in  
> existence and will be demonstrating the vehicle on Thursday, July  
> 13 at 10:30 AM.  The demo will take place in the parking lot of the  
> Triangle J Council of Governments (see www.tjcog.org for directions).
>
> For more information on the trucks, please read these articles:
> http://www.truck.eaton.com/hybrid_news_02.htm
>
>  http://www.electricdrive.org/index.php? 
> tg=articles&idx=More&topics=73&article=1130
>
> Please let me know if you will be able to attend.
>
> Tobin L. Freid
> Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
> Triangle J Council of Governments
> (919) 558-9400
>
> -- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for  
> Commuters --
>

From ckramer at intlvoice.com  Wed Jul 12 11:26:28 2006
From: ckramer at intlvoice.com (C Kramer)
Date: Wed Jul 12 09:19:08 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels and Hazardous Materials
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060712101947.03a97708@intlvoice.com>

Check your County Codes and State Laws.  Though most seem to give 
police powers to fire marshals, building inspectors, etc., if you 
look closer you will normally find the code is talking about 
commercial property.   Because no one has the right to enter your 
private property.

The paragraph in your deed trust is just a standard CYA for the 
bank.  They have no more right to go onto private property to inspect 
than a criminal does to break-in to your house.

There are many federal regulations defining hazardous materials, the 
50 states generally follow the federal definitions, the counties 
follow their state regs, etc.  So even the bank would have to define 
Hazmat as being from the federal regs.

BioDiesel would have to be defined in federal regs somewhere as being 
Hazmat (remember the 50 states generally follow the federal regs), of 
course it is not hazardous. States and Counties can make laws that 
are more restrictive and sometimes do.  That is why you should do 
some homework in your area.  Almost every government entity in the 
U.S. has their laws and/or codes online.  Look them up and get to know them.
	
Of course we all know that some of the ingredients may be hazardous 
in certain quantities.  It is up to us to be careful, for our own 
safety if not that of our neighbors.  Stay under any reportable 
quantities, if that makes you feel more comfortable.

From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Wed Jul 12 13:42:48 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Wed Jul 12 11:35:26 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] For Sale: 1976 Mercedes Benz 300D $500
Message-ID: <84a57a420607120942p4160879dy6f179e88cfecef9a@mail.gmail.com>

1976 Mercedes Benz 300D For Sale $500

Mercedes W123 chassis, diesel engine, non-turbo.  Typically 20 to 25
mpg, these amazingly robust engines will run on petro-diesel, jet
fuel, kerosene, biodiesel, vegetable oil, whale-oil, even liposuction
fat (if you can get it flowing!).

This "White Ghost" runs good, has a good transmission, good injection
pump and injectors, new glow plugs, good starter, strong battery, good
tires & brakes, very smooth suspension (new shocks in back).  Original
white paint with tan interior and good upholstery.  Radio works, as do
the vacuum-powered windows and door locks.  The car had ~142,000 miles
when the odometer stopped.  I don't believe it has been driven much
since then (I've put less than 2000 miles on it in the two years I've
owned it).

I bought it intending to install a kit to burn straight vegetable oil
(SVO), but never had the time.  I've been driving pure biodiesel the
whole time I've owned it.  I've replaced only one fuel line, due to
softening rubber.  Never clogged the fuel filters, probably because I
changed 'em early (after runnning two full tankfuls of B100).

My friend Johnny Frye did a compression test on the engine for me: Low
scores all around.  No surprise on a 30 year-old 300D of unknown
maintenance history.  However, I've never had trouble starting the
car, even in freezing temps.  I have used the block heater a few
times, and I generally let the glow plugs cycle 2 or 3 times to
facilitate starting.  Car does have considerable rust damage, a few
minor rain leaks, and non-working A/C, but nothing that would deter
someone eager to begin driving with biofuels.  (Divorcing myself from
the fossil fuel economy is the most gratifying thing I've done in a
decade.  I highly recommend it.)

Stripped for parts, this car is worth more than $500.  It's a great
opportunity to start smelling the sweet smell of liberty comin out yer
tailpipe.

Feel free to email me at john.bonitz@gmail.com with any questions.

Serious inquiries only please call 919-360-2492.

-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Thu Jul 13 01:09:09 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed Jul 12 23:02:39 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 North Carolina: Raleigh Firm Nails Potentially Billions in
 Financing for Ethanol Plants 
Message-ID: <61721984-551D-49E7-95EB-A1BAB200695C@blast.com>

Jul 13, 2006 - By Patrick Hogan, Triangle Business Journal - Link to  
Story

Agri-Ethanol Products LLC, a Triangle energy development company,  
said Wednesday it has secured financing to build as many as 20 new  
ethanol production plants -- which could cost well into the billions.  
The Raleigh-based company, which previously announced plans to build  
its first ethanol facility -- a $150 million production plant -- in  
Beaufort County, said it has been given approval by an unidentified  
lender to scout 20 potential sites for ethanol facilities in the  
South and up the Eastern Seaboard as far north as New York. At least  
two of the new facilities would be located in North Carolina, in  
addition to the Beaufort County plant.

http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2006/07/10/daily22.html
From marc at theforestfoundation.org  Thu Jul 13 11:11:42 2006
From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President)
Date: Thu Jul 13 09:10:40 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FW: sustainability digest: July 12, 2006
Message-ID: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFIEOPDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>



-----Original Message-----
From: The Sustainability Coalition's mailing list digest
[mailto:sustainability@listserv.unc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:37 AM
To: sustainability digest recipients
Subject: sustainability digest: July 12, 2006


SUSTAINABILITY Digest for Wednesday, July 12, 2006.

1. Positives Steps Toward Sustainability and Self-Reliance

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Positives Steps Toward Sustainability and Self-Reliance
From: "Michael Lanier" <mlanier@co.orange.nc.us>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:26:48 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Recently, a few others from this area and I attended the Business Alliance
for Local Living Economies (BALLE) in Burlington, VT.  This conference was
truly inspiring and certainly measured up to Bill McKibben's assessment that
"the room we were gathered in was the most important room in the country".

The BALLE philosophy (http://www.livingeconomies.org) of relocalizing
economies so that business owners must pay their employees living wages,
must take care of the environment where they live among family and friends,
cannot extort money from local governments over relocation threats, and keep
much higher levels of accumulated wealth in the local community, has the
potential to bring much needed change quickly, while making our communities
much more sustainable and self-reliant.

Making all this happen may seem like a monumental effort, but one of the
conference's presenters, Michelle Long from Bellingham, Washington and her
organization, Sustainable Connections
(http://www.sustainableconnections.org) has accomplished incredible things
in just four years.  Please, take the time to read through this website and
I think you will be amazed at things this organization has been able to
accomplish.

There is interest in starting a BALLE network in the Chapel Hill/Durham
area.  If any of you are local business owners who have an interest in this
or if you have and interest and are interested in community organizing,
please let me know and I will connect you with this group.  Environmental
activism has had many successes over the last 30-40 years, but I think that
the BALLE approach may get us to where we all want to go much sooner.

Sustainably,

Mike Lanier
Agricultural Economic Development
NC Cooperative Extension
919/245-2063





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From alicia at seventhgenergy.org  Thu Jul 13 22:17:40 2006
From: alicia at seventhgenergy.org (Alicia)
Date: Thu Jul 13 21:10:17 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: PlantoMot or BioMot in the US?
In-Reply-To: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFIEOPDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
References: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFIEOPDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
Message-ID: <44B6FEC4.4080601@seventhgenergy.org>

Hi BIG folks,

I'm writing from PrairieFire BioFuels Co-op in Madison, WI where we were 
recently honored to host Alexander Noack of Elsbett.  Three cars were 
installed with one-tank systems, including my 96 TDI Passat Wagon. 

Alex stressed the importance of using a VO based engine oil and changing 
it often to reduce the likelihood of polymerization especially in direct 
injection engines.  Does anyone out there know of a US distributor of 
PlantoMot 5W40 or BioMot?

Much thanks, Alicia
From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu  Fri Jul 14 20:05:15 2006
From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark J Ambrose)
Date: Fri Jul 14 13:57:43 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Re:  Biofuels and Hazardous MaterialsClassification
Message-ID: <20060714190516.21630.fh039.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>

I have no direct experience with the building codes
relating to biodiesel storage, but my house has oil
heat.  So I have a 250 gal. tank of #2 heating oil
sitting right outside my house.  A neighbor has a
similar heating oil tank in his basement.  Heating oil
is essentially diesel fuel, so large tanks of fuels are
allowed under certain conditions.

It would not surprise me if there are no regs. specific
to motor vehicle fuel storage on residential property
(as opposed to a farm with a residence on it), so you
might want to start with looking at the regs for
heating oil tanks and see if you can fit your biodiesel
tank under what is permitted there.

-- Mark

----------------------------------------------------
Hey everyone,

This is a very timely thread. My wife and I are
designing a house near
Chapel Hill and I plan on having a biodiesel tank for:
my car, a tractor,
and to run a generator. Where can I find good
counsel/info on siting and
relevant regs? Has anyone run this gauntlet? Can I buy
you coffee and pick
your brain?

Thanks in advance!

-Bill O'Luanaigh-
From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 00:21:07 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Fri Jul 14 22:13:34 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] pix of the 1976 300D
Message-ID: <84a57a420607142021i209a9cc2rc35f93a4c3bd137b@mail.gmail.com>

I had some folks ask for pix of the 1976 300D.

http://picasaweb.google.com/john.bonitz/1976300DForSale500

-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/
From rhoneysl at surry.net  Sat Jul 15 05:44:21 2006
From: rhoneysl at surry.net (Scott Rhoney)
Date: Sat Jul 15 03:37:07 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re:  Biofuels and Hazardous
 MaterialsClassification
References: <20060714190516.21630.fh039.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>
Message-ID: <000801c6a7ea$df350ea0$40d690cf@VALUEDA50A8C5D>

As I understand it the problem as it relates to the Fire Code isn't with the
bio-d itself.  It's with the methanol used to make it.
My $0.02.
scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J Ambrose" <mambrose@alumni.princeton.edu>
To: <Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:05 PM
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Biofuels and Hazardous
MaterialsClassification


> I have no direct experience with the building codes
> relating to biodiesel storage, but my house has oil
> heat.  So I have a 250 gal. tank of #2 heating oil
> sitting right outside my house.  A neighbor has a
> similar heating oil tank in his basement.  Heating oil
> is essentially diesel fuel, so large tanks of fuels are
> allowed under certain conditions.
>
> It would not surprise me if there are no regs. specific
> to motor vehicle fuel storage on residential property
> (as opposed to a farm with a residence on it), so you
> might want to start with looking at the regs for
> heating oil tanks and see if you can fit your biodiesel
> tank under what is permitted there.
>
> -- Mark
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Hey everyone,
>
> This is a very timely thread. My wife and I are
> designing a house near
> Chapel Hill and I plan on having a biodiesel tank for:
> my car, a tractor,
> and to run a generator. Where can I find good
> counsel/info on siting and
> relevant regs? Has anyone run this gauntlet? Can I buy
> you coffee and pick
> your brain?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Bill O'Luanaigh-
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group

From luxurious at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 18 09:42:10 2006
From: luxurious at earthlink.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Luc_Su=E8r?=)
Date: Tue Jul 18 07:34:01 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: PlantoMot or BioMot in the US?
In-Reply-To: <44B6FEC4.4080601@seventhgenergy.org>
References: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFIEOPDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
	<44B6FEC4.4080601@seventhgenergy.org>
Message-ID: <ec608b488767859cd40a825504e8ed09@earthlink.net>

PlantoMot is a Fuchs product. Fuchs has a US branch but hasn't brought 
PlantoMot over, yet. It's also hard to get in touch with them to get 
info.......
I'm trying to find alternatives. The Swiss company Panolin makes 
Biomot, a very similar VO based motor oil.
I'll keep you posted.
In the meanwhile, use traditional (petro) motor oil, not synthetic, and 
change every 3000 miles.

best,    Luc

On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Alicia wrote:

> Hi BIG folks,
>
> I'm writing from PrairieFire BioFuels Co-op in Madison, WI where we 
> were recently honored to host Alexander Noack of Elsbett.  Three cars 
> were installed with one-tank systems, including my 96 TDI Passat 
> Wagon.
> Alex stressed the importance of using a VO based engine oil and 
> changing it often to reduce the likelihood of polymerization 
> especially in direct injection engines.  Does anyone out there know of 
> a US distributor of PlantoMot 5W40 or BioMot?
>
> Much thanks, Alicia
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>

From bknighton at nc.rr.com  Tue Jul 18 14:26:23 2006
From: bknighton at nc.rr.com (Bill Knighton)
Date: Tue Jul 18 12:57:33 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: PlantoMot or BioMot in the US?
In-Reply-To: <ec608b488767859cd40a825504e8ed09@earthlink.net>
References: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFIEOPDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
	<44B6FEC4.4080601@seventhgenergy.org>
	<ec608b488767859cd40a825504e8ed09@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <44BD19BF.3000500@nc.rr.com>

Do synthetic engine oils cause a problem unique to bio fueled engines?  
Why are they  not recommended?

Luc Su?r wrote:
> PlantoMot is a Fuchs product. Fuchs has a US branch but hasn't brought 
> PlantoMot over, yet. It's also hard to get in touch with them to get 
> info.......
> I'm trying to find alternatives. The Swiss company Panolin makes 
> Biomot, a very similar VO based motor oil.
> I'll keep you posted.
> In the meanwhile, use traditional (petro) motor oil, not synthetic, 
> and change every 3000 miles.
>
> best,    Luc
>
> On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Alicia wrote:
>
>> Hi BIG folks,
>>
>> I'm writing from PrairieFire BioFuels Co-op in Madison, WI where we 
>> were recently honored to host Alexander Noack of Elsbett.  Three cars 
>> were installed with one-tank systems, including my 96 TDI Passat Wagon.
>> Alex stressed the importance of using a VO based engine oil and 
>> changing it often to reduce the likelihood of polymerization 
>> especially in direct injection engines.  Does anyone out there know 
>> of a US distributor of PlantoMot 5W40 or BioMot?
>>
>> Much thanks, Alicia
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
>

From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Jul 19 10:01:14 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed Jul 19 07:53:13 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 GS CleanTech to Convert Poultry Fat Into Biodiesel Feedstock 
Message-ID: <FE229914-9BF9-441F-998E-B96A406DA53A@blast.com>


      GS CleanTech Corporation recently announced an agreement to  
extract
      more than 1 million pounds of poultry fat annually from a poultry
      processing facility in Arkansas.

      According to GS CleanTech, the fat will be converted into a
      biodiesel feedstock using the company's proprietary animal fat
      recycling and conversion technologies.

      GS CleanTech said it expects to generate between $1.2 million and
      $1.8 million in annual revenue through sales of the feedstock.

      Contact: GS CleanTech, phone 888-895-3585.
  
    
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Jul 19 10:02:43 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed Jul 19 07:54:42 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Memphis Biofuels Breaks Ground on New Biodiesel Plant 
Message-ID: <95486862-F11D-4CE8-B7AA-7FB40386F983@blast.com>


      Memphis Biofuels, LLC announced last week the commencement of
      construction on a new 36-million-gallon-per-year biodiesel  
plant in
      Memphis, TN.

      The facility, which the company hopes to have online sometime this
      fall, is designed to be expanded to 100 million gallons per  
year in
      the future. It will use vegetable and animal feed stocks for
      production of the alternative fuel.

      ?Our company is uniquely positioned to quickly become a
      high-quality, low-cost biodiesel producer,? said Memphis Biofuels
      CEO Kenneth Arnold.

      The company said it already has significant production and  
logistics
      infrastructure in place and that construction is fully permitted.

      Contact: Kenneth Arnold, Memphis Biofuels, phone 901-452-2107.
  
    
From mattr at biofuels.coop  Wed Jul 19 10:36:16 2006
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Wed Jul 19 08:28:18 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Book Reading Tonight!
Message-ID: <1EA319A1-555F-4319-B504-EC1FAE022C9F@biofuels.coop>

Biodiesel Book Reading
Wednesday, July 19, 7pm.
Author Lyle Estill of Piedmont Biofuels examines the biofuels  
movement.  Biodiesel Power chronicles a remarkable story that is  
ongoing in the nation.  Join the founders of Piedmont Biofuels and  
Bull City Biodiesel for a reading and discussion about all things  
biodiesel.  Regulator Bookshop, 720 9th Street, Durham, NC 919-286-2700

This will be more than a reading, but also an event to rally  
momentum.  Piedmont Biofuels is opening the first commercial  
biodiesel plant in North Carolina in August, and with the energy  
crisis looming all around, it is an important time to have a forum  
for discussion about where our energy comes from, and the path that  
we are on.  So please come out to share the evening with us, and  
please share the invitation with all of your friends and family.

From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Jul 19 11:53:20 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed Jul 19 09:45:19 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: PlantoMot or BioMot in the US?
In-Reply-To: <44BD19BF.3000500@nc.rr.com>
References: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFIEOPDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
	<44B6FEC4.4080601@seventhgenergy.org>
	<ec608b488767859cd40a825504e8ed09@earthlink.net> <44BD19BF.3000500@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <580EDCFC-52CF-40D8-9B78-7408120B4C20@blast.com>

I have received a sample of Biomot from a company called Kleenoil in  
Germany.
Kleenoil is an Elsbett service partner.

I had the oil tested at the North Carolina Dept of Ag, Motor fuels lab.
It was labeled 5w40 and tested out at 10w40.

I have been running this sample in my Datsun pickup with an Elsbett  
conversion for the last 1000 miles with no problems. ( although that  
is not many miles...)
I would like to have a sample taken for testing after my next oil  
change.

If people are interested in a bulk oil purchase let me know.

Rachel



On Jul 18, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Bill Knighton wrote:

> Do synthetic engine oils cause a problem unique to bio fueled  
> engines?  Why are they  not recommended?
>
> Luc Su?r wrote:
>> PlantoMot is a Fuchs product. Fuchs has a US branch but hasn't  
>> brought PlantoMot over, yet. It's also hard to get in touch with  
>> them to get info.......
>> I'm trying to find alternatives. The Swiss company Panolin makes  
>> Biomot, a very similar VO based motor oil.
>> I'll keep you posted.
>> In the meanwhile, use traditional (petro) motor oil, not  
>> synthetic, and change every 3000 miles.
>>
>> best,    Luc
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Alicia wrote:
>>
>>> Hi BIG folks,
>>>
>>> I'm writing from PrairieFire BioFuels Co-op in Madison, WI where  
>>> we were recently honored to host Alexander Noack of Elsbett.   
>>> Three cars were installed with one-tank systems, including my 96  
>>> TDI Passat Wagon.
>>> Alex stressed the importance of using a VO based engine oil and  
>>> changing it often to reduce the likelihood of polymerization  
>>> especially in direct injection engines.  Does anyone out there  
>>> know of a US distributor of PlantoMot 5W40 or BioMot?
>>>
>>> Much thanks, Alicia
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group

From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Wed Jul 19 12:35:51 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Wed Jul 19 10:27:57 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] motor oils
Message-ID: <84a57a420607190835n39f38cb8o86195aa34d811aa9@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, I'm glad this subject came up.  I had been told that synthetic
oils ARE made from vegetable sources.  I just wikied it and learned
this is wrong.  Synthetic simply means that it is synthesized rather
than merely being refined like conventional motor oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

However, I am still under the impression that synthetics are far more
compatible with biofuels than fossil-based lubricants.  Many Mercedes
owners swear by the greater durability of synthetics.  I believe there
is some empirical evidence for this claim, recalling reading about
this in the 90s: AMSOIL did trials of extended oil-change intervals on
large road tractors, using chemical analysis to monitor the chemical
"wear & tear" on the lubricant.  I've read of 30,000 miles on one oil
change (providing constant bypass filtration to remove solid
contaminants from the motor lube).

Hope others will weigh in here.  What motor oil does Elsbett recommend?

-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From alicia at seventhgenergy.org  Wed Jul 19 12:38:53 2006
From: alicia at seventhgenergy.org (Alicia)
Date: Wed Jul 19 11:31:16 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] motor oils
In-Reply-To: <84a57a420607190835n39f38cb8o86195aa34d811aa9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84a57a420607190835n39f38cb8o86195aa34d811aa9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44BE601D.7080207@seventhgenergy.org>

When Alex Noack was here in Madison I asked him that question 
specifically.  He said petro or synthetic doesn't make a difference. 
Elsbett actually requires the use of Plantomot or Biomot for warranty. 

The reason has to do with the mixing of VO and engine oil in 
cylinders.   The differential between the  flash point of VO and  
non-plant-based engine oils causes polymerization much faster than if 
you use plant-based.  Either way he said it is important to get a feel 
for your engine oil and check often.  If it begins to thicken, change it 
right away.

I'm sure we could get him to weigh in on this as well.  I'd love to know 
how many Elsbett converts there are in this grand old nation. 
Alicia
www.PrairieFireBioFuels.org

John Bonitz wrote:
> Hey, I'm glad this subject came up.  I had been told that synthetic
> oils ARE made from vegetable sources.  I just wikied it and learned
> this is wrong.  Synthetic simply means that it is synthesized rather
> than merely being refined like conventional motor oil.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil
>
> However, I am still under the impression that synthetics are far more
> compatible with biofuels than fossil-based lubricants.  Many Mercedes
> owners swear by the greater durability of synthetics.  I believe there
> is some empirical evidence for this claim, recalling reading about
> this in the 90s: AMSOIL did trials of extended oil-change intervals on
> large road tractors, using chemical analysis to monitor the chemical
> "wear & tear" on the lubricant.  I've read of 30,000 miles on one oil
> change (providing constant bypass filtration to remove solid
> contaminants from the motor lube).
>
> Hope others will weigh in here.  What motor oil does Elsbett recommend?
>

From biodiesel at yovo.info  Wed Jul 19 13:44:29 2006
From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn)
Date: Wed Jul 19 11:36:48 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] motor oils
In-Reply-To: <84a57a420607190835n39f38cb8o86195aa34d811aa9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84a57a420607190835n39f38cb8o86195aa34d811aa9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44BE616D.9040309@yovo.info>

Synthetic motor oil is required for all TDIs for sure, and probably a 
good idea for all turbo-diesel engines. The TDIs use the motor oil to 
cool the turbo-charger, and so the oil has to be very heat resistant. I 
wonder what temperatures the veggie-based oil is rated for.

Also, afaik, diesel engines really need diesel-rated oil (CG-4 or CH-4), 
because the oil has to be able to deal with the soot the engine pumps 
into the lubricant.

Here is where I got all this info:
http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-4.html

I asked Kleenoil-Panolin what they recommend for VW TDI's - I am very 
interested in what they say.

Jurgen



John Bonitz wrote:
> Hey, I'm glad this subject came up.  I had been told that synthetic
> oils ARE made from vegetable sources.  I just wikied it and learned
> this is wrong.  Synthetic simply means that it is synthesized rather
> than merely being refined like conventional motor oil.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil
> 
> However, I am still under the impression that synthetics are far more
> compatible with biofuels than fossil-based lubricants.  Many Mercedes
> owners swear by the greater durability of synthetics.  I believe there
> is some empirical evidence for this claim, recalling reading about
> this in the 90s: AMSOIL did trials of extended oil-change intervals on
> large road tractors, using chemical analysis to monitor the chemical
> "wear & tear" on the lubricant.  I've read of 30,000 miles on one oil
> change (providing constant bypass filtration to remove solid
> contaminants from the motor lube).
> 
> Hope others will weigh in here.  What motor oil does Elsbett recommend?
> 
From toddh at goshen.edu  Wed Jul 19 21:50:07 2006
From: toddh at goshen.edu (Todd Hershberger)
Date: Wed Jul 19 16:50:09 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: PlantoMot or BioMot in the US?
In-Reply-To: <580EDCFC-52CF-40D8-9B78-7408120B4C20@blast.com>
References: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFIEOPDNAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>
	<44B6FEC4.4080601@seventhgenergy.org>
	<ec608b488767859cd40a825504e8ed09@earthlink.net> <44BD19BF.3000500@nc.rr.com>
	<580EDCFC-52CF-40D8-9B78-7408120B4C20@blast.com>
Message-ID: <419FCC16.5010204@goshen.edu>

Rachel,

I would be interested in your test results and in a bulk purchase.  I've 
been wanting a source for plant based oils here in the US for my TDI. 
I've noticed some thickening with my engine oil and it also smelled more 
like Canola oil and felt tacky between my fingers.  I'm concerned about 
polymerization as well, especially when using oils with higher Iodine 
values (saturation) like Soybean oil.  I enjoy being on the bleeding 
edge of society when it comes to renewable transportation.  Thanks for 
all your work Rachel.

Best Wishes,
Todd

Rachel Burton wrote:
> I have received a sample of Biomot from a company called Kleenoil in 
> Germany.
> Kleenoil is an Elsbett service partner.
> 
> I had the oil tested at the North Carolina Dept of Ag, Motor fuels lab.
> It was labeled 5w40 and tested out at 10w40.
> 
> I have been running this sample in my Datsun pickup with an Elsbett 
> conversion for the last 1000 miles with no problems. ( although that is 
> not many miles...)
> I would like to have a sample taken for testing after my next oil change.
> 
> If people are interested in a bulk oil purchase let me know.
> 
> Rachel
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Bill Knighton wrote:
> 
>> Do synthetic engine oils cause a problem unique to bio fueled 
>> engines?  Why are they  not recommended?
>>
>> Luc Su?r wrote:
>>> PlantoMot is a Fuchs product. Fuchs has a US branch but hasn't 
>>> brought PlantoMot over, yet. It's also hard to get in touch with them 
>>> to get info.......
>>> I'm trying to find alternatives. The Swiss company Panolin makes 
>>> Biomot, a very similar VO based motor oil.
>>> I'll keep you posted.
>>> In the meanwhile, use traditional (petro) motor oil, not synthetic, 
>>> and change every 3000 miles.
>>>
>>> best,    Luc
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Alicia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi BIG folks,
>>>>
>>>> I'm writing from PrairieFire BioFuels Co-op in Madison, WI where we 
>>>> were recently honored to host Alexander Noack of Elsbett.  Three 
>>>> cars were installed with one-tank systems, including my 96 TDI 
>>>> Passat Wagon.
>>>> Alex stressed the importance of using a VO based engine oil and 
>>>> changing it often to reduce the likelihood of polymerization 
>>>> especially in direct injection engines.  Does anyone out there know 
>>>> of a US distributor of PlantoMot 5W40 or BioMot?
>>>>
>>>> Much thanks, Alicia
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>>>
>>>
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>>
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From wrenchwench at blast.com  Thu Jul 20 09:31:25 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Thu Jul 20 07:23:22 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Researchers Identify Gains, Impacts of Alternative Fuels 
Message-ID: <FDB740F9-AB74-479F-B455-A0A319CBEDA7@blast.com>


      The University of Minnesota (U of M) recently announced that a
      comprehensive new analysis of the full life cycles of soybean
      biodiesel and corn grain ethanol indicates that biodiesel has much
      less of an impact on the environment and a much greater net energy
      benefit than corn ethanol, "but neither can do much to meet U.S.
      energy demand."

      The study, which was funded in part by U of M's Initiative for
      Renewable Energy and the Environment, was conducted by researchers
      in the university?s College of Biological Sciences and College of
      Food, Agricultural and Natural Resource Sciences.

      According to U of M, the researchers tracked all the energy  
used for
      growing corn and soybeans and converting the crops into biofuels.
      They also looked at how much fertilizer and pesticide corn and
      soybeans required and how much greenhouse gases (GHGs) and  
nitrogen,
      phosphorus and pesticide pollutants each released into the
      environment.

      ?Quantifying the benefits and costs of biofuels throughout their
      life cycles allows us not only to make sound choices today but  
also
      to identify better biofuels for the future,? said lead study  
author
      Jason Hill, a postdoctoral researcher in U of M's department of
      ecology, evolution, and behavior and department of applied
      economics.

      The study reveals that both corn grain ethanol and soybean  
biodiesel
      produce more energy than is needed to grow the crops and convert
      them into biofuels. However, the researchers found that soybean
      biodiesel returns 93 percent more energy than is used to  
produce it,
      while corn grain ethanol currently provides only 25 percent more
      energy.

      Still, the researchers caution that neither biofuel can come close
      to meeting the growing demand for alternatives to petroleum.
      Dedicating all current U.S. corn and soybean production to  
biofuels
      would meet only 12 percent of gasoline demand and six percent of
      diesel demand, according to the researchers.

      The study authors also illustrated that the environmental  
impacts of
      the two biofuels differ. Soybean biodiesel was found to produce 41
      percent less GHGs than diesel fuel whereas corn grain ethanol
      produced 12 percent less GHGs than gasoline.

      Contact: Peggy Rinard, U of M College of Biological Sciences,  
phone
      612-624-0774.
  
    
From dentonconrad at netzero.net  Thu Jul 20 10:38:20 2006
From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad)
Date: Thu Jul 20 08:31:10 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Corn Waste Potentially More Than Ethanol
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20060720093604.01ce5f90@pop.netzero.net>

Corn Waste Potentially More Than Ethanol -

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060719091421.htm

From rickyb at rickyb.net  Thu Jul 20 13:38:35 2006
From: rickyb at rickyb.net (rickyb@rickyb.net)
Date: Thu Jul 20 12:30:34 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] q
Message-ID: <20060720173835.D65BE9EF98@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com>


From rickyb at rickyb.net  Thu Jul 20 13:42:57 2006
From: rickyb at rickyb.net (rickyb@rickyb.net)
Date: Thu Jul 20 12:34:53 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Questionable oil
Message-ID: <20060720174257.672352F9FD@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Our group here in Winston has a source for oil.  We have placed our barrels for them to use and are starting to receive their oil.  The old company, has left a 55 gallon barrel of oil and will not come back to pick it up.  We have been told we could have it.  We did a titration on it and it was 7.5 to 8.0.  I know that it is recommended that you not use anything over 5... but free is free.  My question is should we just not bother with it or should we go ahead and use it anyway?  Thanks for any advice!
From girlmark_list_email at localb100.com  Thu Jul 20 11:52:14 2006
From: girlmark_list_email at localb100.com (girl mark)
Date: Thu Jul 20 12:44:23 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Questionable oil
In-Reply-To: <20060720174257.672352F9FD@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20060720174257.672352F9FD@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <44BFC2CE.5070805@localb100.com>

If you can use KOH instead of NaOH, it'll be fine- it'll be very soapy,
but you can still use it. Just take your time washing it (for example
mistwashing instead of bubblewashing) to avoid emulsion with the extra
soap it'll form.

Mark


rickyb@rickyb.net wrote:

>Our group here in Winston has a source for oil.  We have placed our barrels for them to use and are starting to receive their oil.  The old company, has left a 55 gallon barrel of oil and will not come back to pick it up.  We have been told we could have it.  We did a titration on it and it was 7.5 to 8.0.  I know that it is recommended that you not use anything over 5... but free is free.  My question is should we just not bother with it or should we go ahead and use it anyway?  Thanks for any advice!
>_______________________________________________
>Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
>  
>
From oakleaf1 at charter.net  Fri Jul 21 22:44:09 2006
From: oakleaf1 at charter.net (Randy C Almendinger)
Date: Fri Jul 21 20:36:09 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Navy Exchanges to sell biodiesel
References: <D6A234CD-2C35-4A4A-ABD9-E693D6275790@blast.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c6ad30$53b23060$6401a8c0@RANDY>

Interesting article:

Navy Exchanges Offer Innovative Fuel
The Navy Exchange Service Command (NEXCOM) has set up 
biodiesel fuel pumps at NEX gas stations at Naval Station 
Norfolk and Naval Air Station Oceana, Va. The two 
Biodiesel 20 (B20) pumps, which began operating in June, 
are open seven days a week, offering the fuel for sale 
to the fleet and the general public. B20 fuel is 
manufactured from biodegradable substances such as 
vegetable oils, recycled cooking grease or animal fats. 
The B20 fuel offered at Navy Exchange CITGO gas stations 
is soy-based and made from a mixture of 20 percent
biodiesel and 80 percent regular petroleum-based diesel. 
The Navy Exchange also offers alternative fuels at NEX 
Quarters K near the Pentagon, NEX Jacksonville, Fla., 
and NEX Mayport, Fla. For information on biodiesel fuels, 
visit the National Biodiesel Board Web site at 
www.biodiesel.org.



Randy C Almendinger

From bob.barraza at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 22 18:19:56 2006
From: bob.barraza at earthlink.net (bob.barraza@earthlink.net)
Date: Sat Jul 22 16:11:45 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Jeep Liberty CRD Diesel
Message-ID: <11029071.1153603197028.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm interested in purchasing the subject diesel SUV, and I was wondering if anyone in this group either owned one or had information about the use of biofuels in it.

Thanks,

Bob
From gena5 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul 22 19:21:23 2006
From: gena5 at bellsouth.net (Gena)
Date: Sat Jul 22 17:14:20 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Jeep Liberty CRD Diesel
In-Reply-To: <11029071.1153603197028.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <11029071.1153603197028.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6D5C96A3-DBBC-4AE0-9548-58BBCC999D1D@bellsouth.net>

bob,

i purchased one a month ago with the same intention.  i could find no  
contrary advice on them, so we went for it.  i like the retro mercs  
for bio diesel and all, but need some decent safety features (side  
curtain airbags) and because we are going to use it to tow, the  
height of the vehicle works for us too.

our plan is to do an elsbett conversion on it when the engine  
warranty is up, but haven't done much research in that direction, i'm  
sure many things will change between now and then!

so far, so good, but certainly a month wouldn't even be considered  
anecdotal!  good luck to you on your purchase.  i did lots of pricing  
research, if you'd like to talk about that, you can email me directly.

gena

On Jul 22, 2006, at 5:19 PM, bob.barraza@earthlink.net wrote:


> I'm interested in purchasing the subject diesel SUV, and I was  
> wondering if anyone in this group either owned one or had  
> information about the use of biofuels in it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
>
From mattr at biofuels.coop  Sun Jul 23 18:59:01 2006
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Sun Jul 23 16:51:00 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] VW Rabbit on Craigslist
Message-ID: <CEA99E0A-ACE4-42E1-A2A5-5375CC6ECDC2@biofuels.coop>

Grab it someone, quick!  Then join the co-op and start using biodiesel.

-------------
1980 VW Rabbit Diesel - $950
Reply to: sale-185318903@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-07-23, 2:28PM EDT


1980 VW Rabbit Diesel. 135K on body, and 27K on rebuilt engine. 1984  
5 speed manual transmission.

New tires
New battery
New NC inspection
New fuel, air, and oil filters
New belts
New fuel lines
New 190 degree thermostat

Body and interior rough, but mechanically sound and drives nicely.  
Serious inquires only please.

wbmcmurr@yahoo.com

     * this is in or around Durham, NC
     * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or  
other commercial interests

From wrenchwench at blast.com  Sun Jul 23 21:52:03 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Sun Jul 23 19:43:45 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Fwd: [growingsmallfarms] Sustainable Agriculture on-line
References: <s4c0c47e.004@mail.cccc.edu>
Message-ID: <AD89C139-9010-478C-9CF5-BB1374697F1F@blast.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Robin Kohanowich" <rkohanowich@cccc.edu>
> Date: July 21, 2006 12:11:19 PM EDT
> To: <growingsmallfarms@lists.ncsu.edu>
> Subject: [growingsmallfarms] Sustainable Agriculture on-line
>
> This Fall CCCC Sustainable Agriculture begins it's 5th year as an  
> AAS degree program!
> Help us celebrate by taking a course!
> Due to the hands-on nature of the curriculum most courses are  
> available on-campus only. However, the Introduction to Sustainable  
> Agriculture can be taken as a Distance Education course. This is a  
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> and helps the student to examine their lifestyle choices,  
> especially as related to food consumption. We examine the current  
> state of agriculture in the US and how we got here, and then look  
> specifically at practices that are considered sustainable in  
> agriculture. The Fatal Harvest Reader is used as our text, as well  
> as readings from a large variety of on-line sources.
> Information about CCCC DE can be found at this link:
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> More information about Sustainable Agriculture at CCCC can be found  
> here:
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> Please feel free to contact me if you have additional questions:
> rkohanowich@cccc.edu 919-542-6495 ext. 229
> For a list of all the Sustainable Ag courses being offered through  
> Curriculum go to the CCCC home page and scroll down for a schedule  
> www.cccc.edu
>
> Robin Kohanowich
> Coordinator, The Sustainable Farming Program
> CCCC
> 764 West Street
> Pittsboro, NC 27312
>

From wooster at coastalnet.com  Sun Jul 23 22:00:16 2006
From: wooster at coastalnet.com (BENJAMIN F BARNES)
Date: Sun Jul 23 19:52:02 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re small batch
Message-ID: <410-220067124101646@coastalnet.com>



I am starting to experiment with small batches of biodiesel ( the doctor
pepper method) and not having much luck. I am using 3.5grams of lye 150 mls
of methanol and one litre of canola oil (new) I an continueing to get
emulsions. I also tried 4.9 grams of KOH and am getting somewhat similar
results.  Does anyone have any better instructions?  I am using the
jewelers scale from B100 supply. I didn't titrate, the instructions in the
Biodiesel tutorial.

Ben


From tim_turner at ncsu.edu  Mon Jul 24 10:31:57 2006
From: tim_turner at ncsu.edu (Tim Turner)
Date: Mon Jul 24 08:23:42 2006
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re small batch]
Message-ID: <1214.152.7.192.93.1153747917.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu>

Ben,
some suggestions:

Use 200 mL methanol instead of 150.  This will increase the rate of
reaction, which should mean more complete conversion to biodiesel, which
should help with the emulsions.

Make sure you dissolve your catalyst completely in the methanol before
mixing with the oil.  Shaking will speed this process.  It's dissolved
when you can't see any more flakes.

I assume the Doctor Pepper method means you are shaking everything up in a
soda bottle?  It's been a while since I have shaken a batch by hand, but I
would shake for 15 or 20 mins to be sure.  You can always shake some more
if it's not done.

Write back when you figure it out.  That will help others avoid the same
mistakes.

Don't give up!
Tim

>
> I am starting to experiment with small batches of biodiesel ( the doctor
> pepper method) and not having much luck. I am using 3.5grams of lye 150
> mls
> of methanol and one litre of canola oil (new) I an continueing to get
> emulsions. I also tried 4.9 grams of KOH and am getting somewhat similar
> results.  Does anyone have any better instructions?  I am using the
> jewelers scale from B100 supply. I didn't titrate, the instructions in the
> Biodiesel tutorial.
>
> Ben
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From brian at blueridgebiofuels.com  Mon Jul 24 10:59:31 2006
From: brian at blueridgebiofuels.com (Brian)
Date: Mon Jul 24 08:51:09 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Jeep Liberty CRD Diesel
References: 
	<11029071.1153603197028.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<6D5C96A3-DBBC-4AE0-9548-58BBCC999D1D@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <006701c6af29$634034f0$6800a8c0@eMachines>

One of our partners here at Blue Ridge Biofuels has put 20,000 miles on a 
brand new Jeep Liberty using B100 without incident to date.

Brian Winslett

Blue Ridge Biofuels
109 Roberts Street
Asheville, NC 28801
voice (828) 253-1034
fax (828) 253-3015
www.blueridgebiofuels.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gena" <gena5@bellsouth.net>
Cc: "Biofuels List" <biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Jeep Liberty CRD Diesel


> bob,
>
> i purchased one a month ago with the same intention.  i could find no 
> contrary advice on them, so we went for it.  i like the retro mercs  for 
> bio diesel and all, but need some decent safety features (side  curtain 
> airbags) and because we are going to use it to tow, the  height of the 
> vehicle works for us too.
>
> our plan is to do an elsbett conversion on it when the engine  warranty is 
> up, but haven't done much research in that direction, i'm  sure many 
> things will change between now and then!
>
> so far, so good, but certainly a month wouldn't even be considered 
> anecdotal!  good luck to you on your purchase.  i did lots of pricing 
> research, if you'd like to talk about that, you can email me directly.
>
> gena
>
> On Jul 22, 2006, at 5:19 PM, bob.barraza@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>
>> I'm interested in purchasing the subject diesel SUV, and I was  wondering 
>> if anyone in this group either owned one or had  information about the 
>> use of biofuels in it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>
> 

From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu  Mon Jul 24 20:00:53 2006
From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark J Ambrose)
Date: Mon Jul 24 13:52:35 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why B11?
Message-ID: <20060724190054.27271.fh030.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>

Folks --

I was looking over the biodiesel.org map of retail
locations today.  I noticed an increase in the number
of biodiesel station in the Midwest since the last time
that I checked.  

Most of these were only supplying B2.  That is not
surprising, since that is the biodiesel proportion that
is sufficient to improve lubricity in the
ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel that will be the standard
starting this fall.

What did surprise me was to find a lot of stations in
Illinois, and only in Illinois, selling B11 -- not B10,
not B15, but B11!  Does anyone know what is magic about
11% biodiesel?  Does the State of IL provide some sort
of incentive for biofuel blends of greater than 10%?

-- Mark
From tobin at tjcog.org  Mon Jul 24 16:07:33 2006
From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid)
Date: Mon Jul 24 14:01:25 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why B11?
References: <20060724190054.27271.fh030.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net>
Message-ID: <042201c6af54$6b50d110$1800a8c0@cleancities>

Biodiesel Tax
Yes, Illinois has a unique tax structure that creates incentives for B11 
blends.  B11 and above are exempt from sales and use tax.

"Sales and use taxes apply to 80% of the proceeds from the sale of 
biodiesel-blended fuels (containing between 1% and 10% biodiesel) made 
between July 1, 2003 and December 31, 2013. However, if these taxes are ever 
imposed at a rate of 1.25%, then the tax on these biodiesel blends will 
apply to 100% of the proceeds of sales. These taxes do not apply to the 
proceeds from the sale of biodiesel blends containing more than 10% 
biodiesel made. The taxes apply to 100% of the proceeds from sales made 
thereafter. (Reference 35 Illinois Compiled Statutes 120/2-10)"

Tobin L. Freid
Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
Triangle J Council of Governments
(919) 558-9400

-- Triangle J Council of Governments is a Best Workplace for Commuters --
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Ambrose" <mambrose@alumni.princeton.edu>
To: <Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net>
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Why B11?


> Folks --
>
> I was looking over the biodiesel.org map of retail
> locations today.  I noticed an increase in the number
> of biodiesel station in the Midwest since the last time
> that I checked.
>
> Most of these were only supplying B2.  That is not
> surprising, since that is the biodiesel proportion that
> is sufficient to improve lubricity in the
> ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel that will be the standard
> starting this fall.
>
> What did surprise me was to find a lot of stations in
> Illinois, and only in Illinois, selling B11 -- not B10,
> not B15, but B11!  Does anyone know what is magic about
> 11% biodiesel?  Does the State of IL provide some sort
> of incentive for biofuel blends of greater than 10%?
>
> -- Mark
> _______________________________________________
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From wrenchwench at blast.com  Mon Jul 24 17:03:06 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Mon Jul 24 14:56:37 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 DEP Places Order for B100 Biodiesel With Hoosier 
Message-ID: <C49D19B8-5547-4540-9A2A-37FA5647A5D6@blast.com>


      Imperial Petroleum, Inc. recently announced that its subsidiary
      Hoosier Biodiesel Company has received a purchase order for B100
      biodiesel related to a marketing arrangement with Domestic Energy
      Partners (DEP).

      ?We are very pleased to have this first purchase order under our
      belt and the staff of Hoosier Biodiesel is working very hard to
      continue the marketing process,? said Imperial Petroleum president
      Jeffrey Wilson. ?Under our planned marketing arrangement with DEP,
      we have the right to market up to 25 million gallons of biodiesel
      annually and will equally share in the net proceeds from this
      effort.?

      Imperial Petroleum noted that the order is for 20,000 gallons  
of the
      alternative fuel monthly, with sales to begin on September 1,  
2006.

      Contact: Jeffrey Wilson, Imperial Petroleum, phone 812-867-1433.

  
     
From aibodkin at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 09:05:43 2006
From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin)
Date: Tue Jul 25 06:57:21 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Cellulose-Based Ethanol
In-Reply-To: <20060607234033.9349.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <a7ab88920606061414n467c1b93ib50d2b0bfcbdf085@mail.gmail.com>
	 <20060607234033.9349.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a7ab88920607250505sdd505bbscb4703581661c54a@mail.gmail.com>

"..Those of us who want to make investments that are both ethical and
competitively profitable would be very interested in cellulose-based
ethanol.  According to Jim Juback:.."

sounds like these guys are thinking the same way...

___
Shell Says Biofuels From Food Crops "Morally Inappropriate"
July 19, 2006

SINGAPORE ? Royal Dutch Shell, the world's top marketer of biofuels,
considers using food crops to make biofuels "morally inappropriate" as
long as there are people in the world who are starving, an executive
said, according to the Web site www.planetark.com.

Eric Holthusen, fuels technology manager Asia/Pacific, said the
company's research unit, Shell Global Solutions, has developed
alternative fuels from renewable resources that use wood chips and
plant waste rather than food crops that are typically used to make the
fuels. However, there is no word on when these biofuels might be
commercially available. Holthusen said his company's participation in
marketing biofuels extracted from food was driven by economics or
legislation.



http://www.fleet-central.com/gf/t_inside.cfm?action=news_pick&storyID=24314
____

from my standpoint, if we (US Citizens) are paying farmers to throw
their food out, we might as well use it for fuel... seems like a lot
of people are "borrowing trouble from next week", maybe it is to try
and justify dragging their feet on a product deliverable, maybe it
isn't, but oil giant Royal Dutch Shell's involvement credibility to
the argument  ...

Regards
Andy


On 6/7/06, Jonathan Peretz Chance <solar7man@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Those of us who want to make investments that are both
> ethical and competitively profitable would be very
> interested in cellulose-based ethanol.  According to
> Jim Juback:
>
> "Iogen, a private company and the early name in
> cellulose-based ethanol thanks to a blue ribbon
> investor group that includes Goldman Sachs (GD, news,
> msgs), expects to start producing plant-based ethanol
> by 2009. Iogen is projecting a cost of 90 cents a
> gallon when its plants are in full production. Right
> now it costs about $1.10 to produce a gallon of
> corn-based ethanol, according to the U.S. Department
> of Agriculture. Thanks to the lower cost of plant
> cellulose versus corn, plant-based ethanol could have
> a permanent cost advantage."
>
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P150550.asp
>
> It's my understanding that cellulosic biofuels are not
> only less expensive and more resource-efficient, but
> also avoid inflating food prices.  (Oh no!  That might
> be ethical!)  It's about time they commercialize this
> technology.  Like so many other goodies, it's been
> sitting on a shelf waiting for the next "energy
> crisis".
>
> Are VeraSun and other corn-based ethanol producers
> going to fly with cellulose?  I'd rather invest in
> Iogen, preferably before they're bought by a mega
> energy company.  (Too late!)  Will Shell allow this
> technology to be commercialized?  Perhaps the war
> profiteers at the CFR don't like this peace-mongering
> gem, but it's been around for a very looooong time....
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> --- A Bodkin <aibodkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Remember the "hay day" of Initial Public Offerings
> > or IPO for short...?
> >
> > this might be of interest... VeraSun (VSE) is
> > scheduled for IPO next
> > week at an opening estimate of $18 - $20 per share
> > through Morgan
> > Stanley, Lehman Brothers... not to sound like a
> > "sales pitcher" but
> > Sharebuilder.com lets you buy incremental shares for
> > about $4 a
> > transaction...Etrade and Scott Trade will probably
> > carry this as
> > well....
> >
> > "..At VeraSun Energy, we are focused on creating a
> > future to include
> > renewable energy. Our nation's growing dependence on
> > fossil fuels and
> > the impact of our consumption have never been more
> > apparent than it is
> > today. We believe there is a better way?renewable
> > fuels.
> >
> > VeraSun Energy uses the latest biotechnology to
> > create a viable fuel
> > alternative for today and for the future. We convert
> > corn to
> > fuel-grade ethanol, which is blended with gasoline
> > to extend our fuel
> > supplies and reduce automobile emissions.
> >
> > While renewable fuels are not the entire solution,
> > they are clearly
> > part of that solution. Ethanol's time has come, and
> > VeraSun Energy is
> > proud to be part of a cleaner and brighter
> > tomorrow.."
> >
> > http://www.verasun.com/
> >
> > Thinking from all directions?
> >
> > Regards
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/5/06, A Bodkin <aibodkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Most of the people that I have met in the
> > biodiesel/biofuels industry
> > > don't strike me as the type of folks who are
> > looking to "capitalize"
> > > on industry growth?but for those who have
> > confidence that it will grow
> > > into a profitable market?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 3 stocks to ride ethanol's rise
> > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P150550.asp
> > > Posted 5/3/2006
> > >
> > > "..Think about this next time you fill up your car
> > with $3 gas:
> > > Everybody is talking about the need for
> > alternative energy, whether
> > > it's ethanol from corn or switch grass, solar,
> > wind, nuclear, coal to
> > > liquid, or bio-diesel. So why aren't there more
> > alternative energy
> > > stocks for an investor to buy?
> > >
> > > If you're looking for a pure play on an
> > alternative energy -- whether
> > > it's solar or ethanol -- then the pickings are
> > pretty slim. Subtract
> > > the overpriced, the over-hyped and the illiquid
> > stocks, and there
> > > doesn't seem to be much left?"
> > >
> > >
> > > Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) for instance with but
> > a $100 monthly
> > > investment since May 2000
> > >
> > > Total of $7,600 out of pocket would equal
> > $20,962.80 today
> > > (+$13,362)?or 175.8% increase?
> > >
> > > From my standpoint, the profit made in the
> > industry might make a
> > > healthy donation to protect ANWR? :0)
> > >
> > > Thinking from all directions?
> > >
> > >
> > > ~A
> > >
> > > No Farmers, No Fuel...
> > >
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From rixdobbs at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 25 18:04:15 2006
From: rixdobbs at hotmail.com (rix dobbs)
Date: Tue Jul 25 11:55:55 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biobutinol
Message-ID: <BAY115-F3775F96A4E024B98AC0C7FD45A0@phx.gbl>

Last month, Du Pont [edlinks.che.com/6514-543] and BP 
[edlinks.che.com/6514-544] created a partnership to develop, produce and 
market a next generation of biofuels. The two firms have been working 
together since 2003 to advanced biofuels, and are ready to commercialize 
their first products. Slated for introduction in 2007, the first product 
will be biobutinol which will be launched in the UK as a gasoline additive. 
The partners have been working with British Sugar to convert the U.K.s first 
ethanol fermentation facility to produce biobutinol.
   Biobutinol’s low vapor pressure and tolerance for water contamination in 
gasoline blends facilitates its use in existing gasoline supply and 
distribution channels. It has the potential to be blended into gasoline at 
large concentrations without the need to retrofit vehicles, and it offers 
BETTER fuel economy than gasoline-ethanol blends says BP.

Rix Dobbs
www.brewmasterstore.com
430-0662


From rixdobbs at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 25 19:16:43 2006
From: rixdobbs at hotmail.com (rix dobbs)
Date: Tue Jul 25 13:08:22 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Making pure hydrogen from biomass
Message-ID: <BAY115-F29378246760D88456B8F9FD45A0@phx.gbl>

Professor Kiyoshi Ohtsuka at the Tokyo Institute of Technology 
[edlinks.che.com/6514-538] has discovered a new process that produces pure 
H2 from cellulose. The process not only has nearly a 100% yield, but 
produces NO CO or CO2, so the H2 is suitable for operating fuel cells.  
Conventional steam reforming of hydrocarbons requires an additional shift 
reaction to convert the CO into CO2, and then the CO2 be separated to yield 
pure H2.

   In the new process, a mixture of cellulose, aqueous NaOH solution (about 
50% by weight) and a catalyst (Ni supported on alumina) is heated at 2 
degrees C per min. with steam to gradually increase the temperature from 100 
to 600 degrees C. The cellulose is first decomposed into organic acids 
[including formic, lactic, glycolic, and acetic], which subsequently 
decompose into H2 and Na2CO3 in almost a 100% yield. Ohtsuka discovered that 
the Ni catalyst accelerates the conversion of organic acids into H2 and 
NaCO3 while suppressing the formation of methane. The NaCO3 is converted 
back into NaOH for recycling by reacting with lime. The only emissions of 
CO2 are from the calcinations of the CaCO3 for making lime and this CO2 
re-enters the carbon cycle to make more biomass. Besides cellulose, Ohtsuka 
says the process can be applied to other types of biomass including starch, 
glucose, and wood chips. Although still in the basic-research stage, the 
group has already applied for patents and is looking for industrial partners 
to help commercialize the technology.

Rix Dobbs
www.brewmasterstore.com
430-0662


From wrenchwench at blast.com  Wed Jul 26 09:00:04 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Wed Jul 26 06:51:46 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] B20 & E85 opening in Durham
References: <002201c6afe9$43cd3300$1800a8c0@cleancities>
Message-ID: <8EDB5169-C269-4C8A-B1B5-10C48199CD97@blast.com>



> ------------------------
> You are invited to the grand opening of the first E85 (ethanol)  
> pump and the second B20 (biodiesel) station in the Triangle!
>
> Come show your support for biofuels!
>
> And after you fill your tank, you can fill your tummy with a free  
> BBQ lunch!
>
> When: This Friday, July 28 11:00-1:00
>
> Where: Cruizers Convenience Store at 1914 Sedwick Road (at Hwy 55)  
> in Durham (see directions below)
>
> What: E85 and B20!! A free BBQ lunch will be served after the  
> ribbon cutting.
>
> Why: To reduce our dependence on oil, improve air quality, and  
> support our farmers
>
> To find out if your vehicle can use E85, please visit  
> www.e85fuel.com.  All diesel vehicles can use B20.
>
> Directions: From I-40 either direction, get off on Hwy 55 (exit  
> 278) and turn right at the bottom of the ramp to go South on Hwy  
> 55. Cross
> Hwy 54 and Cruizers will be a little less than a mile up at the  
> corner of Sedwick and Hwy 55.

From marc at theforestfoundation.org  Wed Jul 26 14:34:10 2006
From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President)
Date: Wed Jul 26 12:32:54 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 FW: [cleanenergydurham] FW: BT Futurist on Global Climate Change
Message-ID: <GOEILLPOLOPBCNMCLPAFAEIIDOAA.marc@theforestfoundation.org>



-----Original Message-----
From: cleanenergydurham@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:cleanenergydurham@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of pat carstensen
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:00 PM
To: cleanenergydurham@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cleanenergydurham] FW: BT Futurist on Global Climate Change


The British Telecom futurists generally are pretty interesting thinkers....


>
>http://www.americasnetwork.com/americasnetwork/article/articleDetail.jsp?id
=330556&pageID=1
>
>Q: You cited climate change as an example of an external trend that should
>be taken into account when considering future technology. How so?
>
>I've been spending some time focusing on research in the energy industry in
>the UK. The basic model of transmission and distribution hasn't changed
>much in the last 50 years. But now, because of the effects of climate
>change, we're seeing more variable climates, which means changes in
>flooding and high winds and natural disasters, so electricity supplies will
>be under threat from many directions.
>
>The reaction of the power industry is to shift from the old top-down
>network of power distribution ? rather like an old telephone network ? to
>more of an Internet approach to electricity. So you'd have local generation
>in individual buildings, and if you have an area using wind generation and
>the wind is down, they can supplement that with power from local buildings.
>You could even store it locally.
>
>The question is, how would you manage all that? If every building is going
>to be its own power and storage station, it's going to need an economical
>way of accounting for all that energy flowing in or out. You'd need an
>information web ? I call them "green webs" ? that essentially is part of
>the Internet, which in real-time mimics the flow of energy. We'll also have
>consumers with smart appliances that can change their electricity
>requirements in real time and have it under IP control.
>
>




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From mattr at biofuels.coop  Wed Jul 26 23:31:32 2006
From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf)
Date: Wed Jul 26 22:23:17 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Online Article about Piedmont Biofuels
Message-ID: <4E485311-DF94-43E1-A606-F0FC8E8892FC@biofuels.coop>

Jesse DeConto, a freelance journalist from Carrboro, NC has published  
an article about Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative in the online magazine  
Dragonfire.  You can find it at www.dfire.org

~Matt

Matthew Rudolf
Piedmont Biofuels
www.biofuels.coop


From wrenchwench at blast.com  Thu Jul 27 09:19:56 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Thu Jul 27 07:11:29 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Fwd: Business News - Triangle's First Ethanol Station Opens On
 Friday' Also Biodiesel
References: <ebfa70c40607262055n795ed302g5329709c1e0d30e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62C10968-921A-4DA3-BBEC-F60D1A7A2D05@blast.com>



Begin forwarded message:

>
> Business News  - Triangle's First Ethanol Station Opens On Friday"
>
> the link:
> http://www.wral.com/businessarchive/9577933/detail.html?taf=ral
>
> Article is geared toward Ethanol, but also mentions a new biodiesel  
> pump too
>
From aibodkin at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 09:47:37 2006
From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin)
Date: Thu Jul 27 07:39:07 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] B20 & E85 opening in Durham
In-Reply-To: <8EDB5169-C269-4C8A-B1B5-10C48199CD97@blast.com>
References: <002201c6afe9$43cd3300$1800a8c0@cleancities>
	 <8EDB5169-C269-4C8A-B1B5-10C48199CD97@blast.com>
Message-ID: <a7ab88920607270547k5ad39270ka4488a39bba00b2b@mail.gmail.com>

I have a friend who has a vehicle that will run on E85 and is
interested in coming down Friday for this event. Through researching
biodiesel I understand that it is probably a good practice to carry an
extra fuel filter while running on bio, along this same line of
thinking, anybody have any guidance before fueling up with E85?

Thanks
Andy

On 7/26/06, Rachel Burton <wrenchwench@blast.com> wrote:
>
>
> > ------------------------
> > You are invited to the grand opening of the first E85 (ethanol)
> > pump and the second B20 (biodiesel) station in the Triangle!
> >
> > Come show your support for biofuels!
> >
> > And after you fill your tank, you can fill your tummy with a free
> > BBQ lunch!
> >
> > When: This Friday, July 28 11:00-1:00
> >
> > Where: Cruizers Convenience Store at 1914 Sedwick Road (at Hwy 55)
> > in Durham (see directions below)
> >
> > What: E85 and B20!! A free BBQ lunch will be served after the
> > ribbon cutting.
> >
> > Why: To reduce our dependence on oil, improve air quality, and
> > support our farmers
> >
> > To find out if your vehicle can use E85, please visit
> > www.e85fuel.com.  All diesel vehicles can use B20.
> >
> > Directions: From I-40 either direction, get off on Hwy 55 (exit
> > 278) and turn right at the bottom of the ramp to go South on Hwy
> > 55. Cross
> > Hwy 54 and Cruizers will be a little less than a mile up at the
> > corner of Sedwick and Hwy 55.
>
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From rickyb at rickyb.net  Wed Jul 26 11:18:59 2006
From: rickyb at rickyb.net (rickyb@rickyb.net)
Date: Thu Jul 27 08:50:53 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Thursdays meeting
Message-ID: <20060726151900.0C2CEEEB28@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com>

Hello everybody,

Its that time of month again for our biodiesel meeting at South Fork here in Winston.  I hope every one can make it.  We have some bio we successfully made, washed and finished, and are presently running in two autos.  We are planning on a workday this Saturday at 9 am at one of our homes.  We have 22 gallons of wvo we are going to titrate, heat, mix and make a real batch of bio(cross your fingers here).  If anyone else is willing, or interested, we will let them make small sample batches using other oil we have from our stock.  We have some samples for Thursdays meeting of both the good the bad and the ugly of bio making.  We will give directions to the workday tomorrow or if you can't make it Thursday just email for directions.  We tentatively will also have an WFDD radio reporter, Thibault Worth, there Saturday who is doing a piece on alternative fuels.  So if you show up, you just might end up on the radio.  Hope to see everyone there.  Main building South Fork Recreation 7pm tomorrow night.  Thanks for everyones support!
From tobin at tjcog.org  Thu Jul 27 11:15:22 2006
From: tobin at tjcog.org (Tobin Freid)
Date: Thu Jul 27 09:07:00 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] B20 & E85 opening in Durham
References: <002201c6afe9$43cd3300$1800a8c0@cleancities>
	<8EDB5169-C269-4C8A-B1B5-10C48199CD97@blast.com>
	<a7ab88920607270547k5ad39270ka4488a39bba00b2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c6b187$198dc2e0$1800a8c0@cleancities>

When using E85 in a Flex Fuel Vehicle you do not have to do anything or 
change anything.  Just come and fill up!  For more info on ethanol visit 
www.e85fuel.com.

For biodiesel, after the initial tank or two, you should not continue to see 
problems with the fuel filter, unless you have a very old vehicle with a 
very dirty fuel system, or if you are using biodiesel only intermittently 
where there is time for new gunk to build up in the system.

Tobin L. Freid
Project Coordinator for Energy and Environment
Triangle J Council of Governments
(919) 558-9400

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A Bodkin" <aibodkin@gmail.com>
To: "Rachel Burton" <wrenchwench@blast.com>
Cc: "BIG" <Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] B20 & E85 opening in Durham


>I have a friend who has a vehicle that will run on E85 and is
> interested in coming down Friday for this event. Through researching
> biodiesel I understand that it is probably a good practice to carry an
> extra fuel filter while running on bio, along this same line of
> thinking, anybody have any guidance before fueling up with E85?
>
> Thanks
> Andy
>
> On 7/26/06, Rachel Burton <wrenchwench@blast.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > ------------------------
>> > You are invited to the grand opening of the first E85 (ethanol)
>> > pump and the second B20 (biodiesel) station in the Triangle!
>> >
>> > Come show your support for biofuels!
>> >
>> > And after you fill your tank, you can fill your tummy with a free
>> > BBQ lunch!
>> >
>> > When: This Friday, July 28 11:00-1:00
>> >
>> > Where: Cruizers Convenience Store at 1914 Sedwick Road (at Hwy 55)
>> > in Durham (see directions below)
>> >
>> > What: E85 and B20!! A free BBQ lunch will be served after the
>> > ribbon cutting.
>> >
>> > Why: To reduce our dependence on oil, improve air quality, and
>> > support our farmers
>> >
>> > To find out if your vehicle can use E85, please visit
>> > www.e85fuel.com.  All diesel vehicles can use B20.
>> >
>> > Directions: From I-40 either direction, get off on Hwy 55 (exit
>> > 278) and turn right at the bottom of the ramp to go South on Hwy
>> > 55. Cross
>> > Hwy 54 and Cruizers will be a little less than a mile up at the
>> > corner of Sedwick and Hwy 55.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list
>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net
>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group
>>
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From terhorst at email.unc.edu  Thu Jul 27 12:07:55 2006
From: terhorst at email.unc.edu (Marc ter Horst)
Date: Thu Jul 27 09:59:29 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Georgia Bioenergy Conference
Message-ID: <44C8D6CB.8010007@email.unc.edu>

Next week is the Georgia Bioenergy Conference 
(http://www.gabioenergy.org/agenda3.html).   Some interesting 
presentations are scheduled covering many bioenergy related topics and 
not just related to GA: global energy, economics, legislation, bioenergy 
from ag and forest products, firing/co-firing, pyrolysis, gasification, 
biodiesel, hydrogen, methane, and business strategies.  There are 
pre-meeting events: a bioenergy primer and a teacher workshop.

I was wondering who from the Triangle Area (NC) might be heading down to 
the meeting?  

Marc ter Horst
terhorst@unc.edu


From panthercat at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 15:21:10 2006
From: panthercat at gmail.com (Carlos Thompson)
Date: Thu Jul 27 13:12:39 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Great Decals!
Message-ID: <4b6e46c90607271121ge3740d7p1b2fdfdd4a2024f0@mail.gmail.com>

http://utahbiodieselsupply.com/biodieseldecals.php#biodieselitalicized
From wes at xitechusa.com  Thu Jul 27 17:04:08 2006
From: wes at xitechusa.com (wes@xitechusa.com)
Date: Thu Jul 27 14:55:41 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Great Decals!
In-Reply-To: <4b6e46c90607271121ge3740d7p1b2fdfdd4a2024f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b6e46c90607271121ge3740d7p1b2fdfdd4a2024f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54256.65.15.235.201.1154030648.squirrel@www.xitechusa.com>

Already got one :) Matching VW Decal  also at www.youremblem.com

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>


From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 23:26:54 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Thu Jul 27 21:18:21 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 for all you climate change policy wonks out there...
Message-ID: <84a57a420607271926r5a7f8523xe63bb879cf87ca4d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey biofuels fans,

There's a new listserv for folks who want to follow the process of
climate change policy development here in North Carolina.

"This North Carolina Climate Action Plan Information listserve is
primarily intended to make information known to the interested public
regarding the Department of Environment and Natural Resources' efforts
in reaction to climate change issues. This may include schedules,
current actions, plans, status, etc., as well as summaries of other
data sources and general actions from the state government and others
in relation to this topic."

To learn more, or subscribe, go to
http://lists.ncmail.net/mailman/listinfo/nc.capi

The general public is welcome to subscribe.


In parallel, I have been participating on a process group convened by
NCDENR.  The Climate Action Plan Advisory Group or CAPAG is described
here:  http://www.ncclimatechange.us/

The CAPAG has broken into technical working groups (TWGs or 'twigs')
on the following subjects:
+ Agriculture, Forestry, and Waste
+ Energy Supply
+ Residential, Commercial & Industrial
+ Transportation & Land Use
+ Cross Cutting

I've focused my participation on the Agriculture, Forestry, and Waste
(AFW TWG).  As a group, we have reviewed and added to a Catalog of
State Climate Mitigation Options, and a Greenhouse Gas Inventory and
Forecast for North Carolina.  I've been impressed with the quality of
organization of this effort, and can say that it was open and
participatory.  I was especially pleased that there was strong support
for climate mitgation options involving biofuels.  We voted on
priorities for analysis.  High marks were given to

+ Biodiesel Production (incentives for feedstocks and production plants),
+ Manure Digesters/Other Waste Energy Utilization, and
+ Policies to Promote Ethanol Production (including cellulosic tech.).

I was also exceedingly pleased (and a little surprised) that the
climate policy option which received the overwhelming majority of
votes for prioritization was "Preservation of Open Space /
Agricultural Land."  The related option of "Forest Protection ?
Reduced Clearing and Conversion to Nonforest Cover" also got many
votes.  Together, these two land-use options received 18 votes, much
more than any other options in our TWG.

This was reassuring to me.  As quickly as open space and prime ag land
are being subdivided and gobbled up for development, we may find our
future selves lacking the land we need to grow our own biofuels
feedstocks.  Fortunately, these options will receive close attention
in analysis for their beneficial potential here in North Carolina.

Learn more about the results of this process here:
http://www.ncclimatechange.us/capag.cfm

Cheers!

-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Fri Jul 28 11:23:02 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Fri Jul 28 09:14:28 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] New Biodiesel Facilities Slated for
	Indonesia 
Message-ID: <49ECAC57-CA81-41D7-90FC-9402497FA8E6@blast.com>


     Indonesian news service Antara recently reported that the federal
      government plans to spend approximately 75 billion rupiah (about
      $8.3 million) to build eight new biodiesel plants in the country.

      Antara reported that medium-scale factories, producing up to 6,000
      tons of biodiesel annually, are set for construction in West
      Sumatra, South Sumatra, East Kalimantan and South Sulawesi. West
      Nusa Tenggara, East Nusa Tenggara, Central Java and Banten are
      expected to house small-scale factories, producing 300 tons of the
      alternative fuel per year.

      According to the news service, the raw materials used for  
biodiesel
      production will be crude palm oil and castor oil.

From kkrebs at mindspring.com  Fri Jul 28 12:02:43 2006
From: kkrebs at mindspring.com (Ken)
Date: Fri Jul 28 09:54:07 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Fw: USDA and DOE Announce Renewable Energy Conference
Message-ID: <5808816.1154098964014.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Rimer.Linda@epamail.epa.gov
Sent: Jul 28, 2006 10:10 AM
To: Rimer.Linda@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: USDA and DOE Announce Renewable Energy Conference

USDA and DOE Announce Renewable Energy Conference

The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the U.S. Department of Energy
(DOE) will co-host a conference on renewable energy and fuels on October
10-12, 2006 in St. Louis, Missouri. The conference, entitled ?Advancing
Renewable Energy: an American Rural Renaissance,? will feature discussions
on the roles of agriculture, transportation, federal and state governments,
and finance in accelerating the development of renewable energy
technologies. Discussions will focus on the central elements of the
President?s Advanced Energy Initiative: wind and solar energy, biomass
fuel, and their commercialization.

USDA and DOE expect that the conference will raise public awareness about
renewable energy while identifying major roadblocks, reviewing challenges,
making way for technology development and distribution systems, and
determining ways to reduce investor and developer risk.

More information is available online at:
http://www.usda.gov/rus/electric/renewables/meetings.htm

*******
State and local officials interested in additional information about
developing and implementing cost-effective clean energy and environmental
strategies that help further environmental and clean energy goals and
achieve public health and economic benefits may visit:
http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/stateandlocal.

To subscribe to or unsubscribe from this listserv, go to:
http://www.epa.gov/globalwarming/listservs.

From aibodkin at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 14:55:44 2006
From: aibodkin at gmail.com (A Bodkin)
Date: Fri Jul 28 12:47:08 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] B20 & E85 opening in Durham
In-Reply-To: <8EDB5169-C269-4C8A-B1B5-10C48199CD97@blast.com>
References: <002201c6afe9$43cd3300$1800a8c0@cleancities>
	 <8EDB5169-C269-4C8A-B1B5-10C48199CD97@blast.com>
Message-ID: <a7ab88920607281055k4f2b5943oaab22ff199a820bc@mail.gmail.com>

It was an unmitigated "big doins" and bona fide brouhaha .

http://picturecorral.textamerica.com/?r=5147752


The food was pretty good too... :0)

~A

On 7/26/06, Rachel Burton <wrenchwench@blast.com> wrote:
>
>
> > ------------------------
> > You are invited to the grand opening of the first E85 (ethanol)
> > pump and the second B20 (biodiesel) station in the Triangle!
> >
> > Come show your support for biofuels!
> >
> > And after you fill your tank, you can fill your tummy with a free
> > BBQ lunch!
> >
> > When: This Friday, July 28 11:00-1:00
> >
> > Where: Cruizers Convenience Store at 1914 Sedwick Road (at Hwy 55)
> > in Durham (see directions below)
> >
> > What: E85 and B20!! A free BBQ lunch will be served after the
> > ribbon cutting.
> >
> > Why: To reduce our dependence on oil, improve air quality, and
> > support our farmers
> >
> > To find out if your vehicle can use E85, please visit
> > www.e85fuel.com.  All diesel vehicles can use B20.
> >
> > Directions: From I-40 either direction, get off on Hwy 55 (exit
> > 278) and turn right at the bottom of the ramp to go South on Hwy
> > 55. Cross
> > Hwy 54 and Cruizers will be a little less than a mile up at the
> > corner of Sedwick and Hwy 55.
>
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From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 17:12:20 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Fri Jul 28 15:03:46 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] hmmm sunflowers...
Message-ID: <84a57a420607281312t6c4c6281t39719bb29f73e9e1@mail.gmail.com>

This fellow is doing it:  Growing oilseed, pressing them on-farm,
making his own biodiesel, and running it in his equipment.  He's
getting fuel-cost savings, plus seedcake for his cattle, plus
disease-fighting benefits in his fields, and a hedge against drought.

http://www.kerrcenter.com/HTML/press.html#sunflower2

A more in-depth article can be found on page 4 of the following PDF:
http://www.kerrcenter.com/nwsltr/2006/summer/summer2006.pdf

This is a really good case study.  Worth reading.

Cheers!

-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/
From andrewj at ualberta.ca  Fri Jul 28 21:28:34 2006
From: andrewj at ualberta.ca (andrewj@ualberta.ca)
Date: Fri Jul 28 21:19:55 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] New User, Andrew Johnston
Message-ID: <20060728202834.rt2yzhpi4kk4ssgk@webmail.ualberta.ca>

Hello,

I am currently an Education Student at The University of Alberta. I 
will soon be an Automotive Teacher at a Calgary Alberta High School. 
What information or links can you suggest for making biodeisel fuel.

Thanks for your help!
Andrew
From john.bonitz at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 01:45:48 2006
From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz)
Date: Sat Jul 29 23:37:08 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 any VW owners near Pittsboro? - cheap filters at Habitat
Message-ID: <84a57a420607292145x1be4103dsd59f317294ac94ff@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Gang,

I was in the Habitat For Humanity building supply store in Pittsboro
today, and I spotted three MANN Filters.  Knowing that these are
German, and not real common, I made note of the part number.
Apparently W 735/1 filters are for VWs and Audis.  I saw on one
website a retail price of $15.68.  Habitat had em priced for $3 or
thereabouts.

Here's a picture:
http://cfpfilters.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/mann_filter_w.html

Thought I'd share the info with this list, in case anyone would care
to check em out.

Also, here's a cool discovery: http://www.germanfilters.com/
Site has reverse and forwards parts index numbers for German filters
and their US counterparts.  Pretty cool tool!

JB

-- 
John Bonitz
Silk Hope, NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Join with me in marching to http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Mon Jul 31 19:28:37 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Mon Jul 31 18:28:52 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Chrysler to Ship 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee With B5 
Message-ID: <A814585E-0921-4887-B3E7-37E79A82ECF2@blast.com>


      The National Biodiesel Board (NBB) recently announced that the
      Chrysler Group will ship its 2007 model Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD  
from
      the factory with a B5 biodiesel blend.

      According to NBB, the vehicle will be manufactured at the  
Jefferson
      North Assembly Plant in Detroit, MI and will be available at Jeep
      dealerships in the first quarter of 2007.

      ?Biodiesel represents a huge opportunity to address some of our
      nation?s toughest energy, environmental and economic challenges,?
      said DaimlerChrysler vice president of regulatory affairs Deborah
      Morrissett.

      NBB noted that Chrysler has a similar program with its Jeep  
Liberty
      CRD.

      Contact: Jenna Higgins, NBB, phone 800-841-5849, website
      http://www.biodiesel.org.
  
    
From wrenchwench at blast.com  Mon Jul 31 20:00:00 2006
From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton)
Date: Mon Jul 31 19:00:07 2006
Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 
 Vietnamese Company to Develop Catfish-based Biofuel 
Message-ID: <51C3B4B0-139B-4041-A40C-25760A624D9E@blast.com>


      Agence France-Presse (AFP) recently reported that Agifish, a
      Vietnamese catfish exporter, is building a factory in the province
      of An Giang that will produce biofuel for diesel engines from
      catfish fat beginning in 2007. Its annual production capacity is
      expected to reach 10 million liters.

      According to AFP, Agifish will produce one liter of biofuel for  
each
      kilogram of fat and oil from the fish.

      AFP noted that the Saigon-based Centre for Petrochemical  
Technology
      will also be producing biofuel. It plans to blend waste cooking  
oil
      with diesel.

      (AFP: 7/4)