From hogarth at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 09:38:43 2006 From: hogarth at gmail.com (Susan Hogarth) Date: Fri Dec 1 05:29:16 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE In-Reply-To: <410-2200612510181222@xtel6> References: <410-2200612510181222@xtel6> Message-ID: <3889aa560612010638t32f6000au31ba2519840471df@mail.gmail.com> Anyone else get this email? Everyone else? ;-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: vonergy@gmail.com Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE To: Green Power Collaborative Dear Sir/Madam, Vonergy is hereby seeking the collaboration of your Organization in conducting a demonstration project to produce green electricity from locally produced biodiesel, for the purpose of determining the viability of full-scale commercialization. This study will also serve as a natural extension of the environmental stewardship of Vonergy, and will provide a valuable case study on the emerging use of bio-diesel. The investigation will involve the technical and economic feasibility of installing a biodiesel-powered stationary turbine engine/generator and additional energy efficiency measures, the electrical production and interconnection to a grid-system, and sourcing the fuel from either A) on-site production of biodiesel from soy and waste vegetable oil collected from area restaurants, or B) bulk purchasing of locally-produced biodiesel for commercial suppliers. Vonergy plans to commence activities in 2007, with the utilization of state funds through the Florida Renewable Energy Technologies Grant Program, to springboard its operations (for more information on this program, please visit: http://www.dep.state.fl.us/energy/energyact/grants.htm). Vonergy also has already started the process of working with local regulators regarding on-site co-generation; and is currently in discussions with Miami-Dade County regarding the Florida Brownfield's Land Redevelopment Program, for a possible site for the project. The Organization has also developed alliances with various entities including Anthony Wilson Biofuels ? a local processor, a pool of local investors, Florida Power & Light? the local power company, and several power generation equipment manufacturers. In summary, Vonergy welcomes the opportunity to work with your organization to develop a strategic initiative that not only meets the State's requirements, but one that also provides for the mutual beneficial objectives of both our Organizations. Any suggestions or recommendation from you or you Organization will be appreciated. If you have any questions, or if I may provide you with any additional information in the interim, please do not hesitate to contact me. Respectfully submitted by, Vonergy Incorporated P.O. Box 140866 Coral Gables, Florida 33114 (305) 218-2878 vonergy@gmail.com About Vonergy: Vonergy Incorporated is a 501(c) (3) non-profit organization established to promote efficient energy usage, as well as education and advocacy associated with the utilization of clean fuel technologies including both non-renewable and renewable energy. -- Susan Hogarth http://www.colliething.com From CConnor at luckstone.com Fri Dec 1 09:41:56 2006 From: CConnor at luckstone.com (Chris . Connor) Date: Fri Dec 1 05:32:35 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE Message-ID: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8490E@5825-ml.luck.net> I make at least two. I would love to hear from someone if this is only for Florida or elsewhere. Or if it just some big phish thing. Chris -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net To: BIG Sent: Fri Dec 01 09:38:43 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE Anyone else get this email? Everyone else? ;-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: vonergy@gmail.com Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE To: Green Power Collaborative Dear Sir/Madam, Vonergy is hereby seeking the collaboration of your Organization in conducting a demonstration project to produce green electricity from locally produced biodiesel, for the purpose of determining the viability of full-scale commercialization. This study will also serve as a natural extension of the environmental stewardship of Vonergy, and will provide a valuable case study on the emerging use of bio-diesel. The investigation will involve the technical and economic feasibility of installing a biodiesel-powered stationary turbine engine/generator and additional energy efficiency measures, the electrical production and interconnection to a grid-system, and sourcing the fuel from either A) on-site production of biodiesel from soy and waste vegetable oil collected from area restaurants, or B) bulk purchasing of locally-produced biodiesel for commercial suppliers. Vonergy plans to commence activities in 2007, with the utilization of state funds through the Florida Renewable Energy Technologies Grant Program, to springboard its operations (for more information on this program, please visit: http://www.dep.state.fl.us/energy/energyact/grants.htm). Vonergy also has already started the process of working with local regulators regarding on-site co-generation; and is currently in discussions with Miami-Dade County regarding the Florida Brownfield's Land Redevelopment Program, for a possible site for the project. The Organization has also developed alliances with various entities including Anthony Wilson Biofuels ? a local processor, a pool of local investors, Florida Power & Light? the local power company, and several power generation equipment manufacturers. In summary, Vonergy welcomes the opportunity to work with your organization to develop a strategic initiative that not only meets the State's requirements, but one that also provides for the mutual beneficial objectives of both our Organizations. Any suggestions or recommendation from you or you Organization will be appreciated. If you have any questions, or if I may provide you with any additional information in the interim, please do not hesitate to contact me. Respectfully submitted by, Vonergy Incorporated P.O. Box 140866 Coral Gables, Florida 33114 (305) 218-2878 vonergy@gmail.com About Vonergy: Vonergy Incorporated is a 501(c) (3) non-profit organization established to promote efficient energy usage, as well as education and advocacy associated with the utilization of clean fuel technologies including both non-renewable and renewable energy. -- Susan Hogarth http://www.colliething.com _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ______________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. ______________________________________________________________________ From shiftlink at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 09:57:38 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Fri Dec 1 05:48:14 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE In-Reply-To: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8490E@5825-ml.luck.net> References: <251B95786C295C48BD9C2E0D678D84B508F8490E@5825-ml.luck.net> Message-ID: <4c758e6d0612010657mb48ca7ew8309cddd18a4865a@mail.gmail.com> I got one too, interesting, electricity is definately something I want to make, but what would be the difference between this and a regular diesel generator? I'm kind-of leaning towards something that you don't have to dump fuel into to make electricity, but a diesel generator with Bio on hand would be a nice back-up. Then you have to think about shelf-life, of course. On 12/1/06, Chris . Connor wrote: > I make at least two. I would love to hear from someone if this is only for Florida or elsewhere. Or if it just some big phish thing. > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > To: BIG > Sent: Fri Dec 01 09:38:43 2006 > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE > > Anyone else get this email? Everyone else? ;-) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: vonergy@gmail.com > Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:18 PM > Subject: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE > To: Green Power Collaborative > > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > Vonergy is hereby seeking the collaboration of your Organization in > conducting a demonstration project to produce green electricity from > locally produced biodiesel, for the purpose of determining the > viability of full-scale commercialization. This study will also serve > as a natural extension of the environmental stewardship of Vonergy, > and will provide a valuable case study on the emerging use of > bio-diesel. > > The investigation will involve the technical and economic feasibility > of installing a biodiesel-powered stationary turbine engine/generator > and additional energy efficiency measures, the electrical production > and interconnection to a grid-system, and sourcing the fuel from > either A) on-site production of biodiesel from soy and waste vegetable > oil collected from area restaurants, or B) bulk purchasing of > locally-produced biodiesel for commercial suppliers. > > Vonergy plans to commence activities in 2007, with the utilization of > state funds through the Florida Renewable Energy Technologies Grant > Program, to springboard its operations (for more information on this > program, please visit: > http://www.dep.state.fl.us/energy/energyact/grants.htm). Vonergy also > has already started the process of working with local regulators > regarding on-site co-generation; and is currently in discussions with > Miami-Dade County regarding the Florida Brownfield's Land > Redevelopment Program, for a possible site for the project. > > The Organization has also developed alliances with various entities > including Anthony Wilson Biofuels ? a local processor, a pool of local > investors, Florida Power & Light? the local power company, and several > power generation equipment manufacturers. > > In summary, Vonergy welcomes the opportunity to work with your > organization to develop a strategic initiative that not only meets the > State's requirements, but one that also provides for the mutual > beneficial objectives of both our Organizations. Any suggestions or > recommendation from you or you Organization will be appreciated. > > If you have any questions, or if I may provide you with any additional > information in the interim, please do not hesitate to contact me. > > Respectfully submitted by, > Vonergy Incorporated > P.O. Box 140866 > Coral Gables, Florida 33114 > (305) 218-2878 > vonergy@gmail.com > > > About Vonergy: Vonergy Incorporated is a 501(c) (3) non-profit > organization established to promote efficient energy usage, as well as > education and advocacy associated with the utilization of clean fuel > technologies including both non-renewable and renewable energy. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Susan Hogarth > http://www.colliething.com > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > From skepticbill at mac.com Fri Dec 1 10:05:33 2006 From: skepticbill at mac.com (Bill O'Luanaigh (.mac)) Date: Fri Dec 1 05:56:14 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE In-Reply-To: <4c758e6d0612010657mb48ca7ew8309cddd18a4865a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Given that I got this too I'm thinking someone has harvested emails from the biofuels community. This feels like one of those "Nigerian" scams. I may be wrong, they may be legitimately trying to find community/grassroots based financing but I am skeptical. On 12/1/06 9:57 AM, "Cameron Conover" wrote: > I got one too, interesting, electricity is definately something I want > to make, but what would be the difference between this and a regular > diesel generator? I'm kind-of leaning towards something that you > don't have to dump fuel into to make electricity, but a diesel > generator with Bio on hand would be a nice back-up. Then you have to > think about shelf-life, of course. > > On 12/1/06, Chris . Connor wrote: >> I make at least two. I would love to hear from someone if this is only for >> Florida or elsewhere. Or if it just some big phish thing. >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net >> >> To: BIG >> Sent: Fri Dec 01 09:38:43 2006 >> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE >> >> Anyone else get this email? Everyone else? ;-) >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: vonergy@gmail.com >> Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:18 PM >> Subject: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE >> To: Green Power Collaborative >> >> >> Dear Sir/Madam, >> >> Vonergy is hereby seeking the collaboration of your Organization in >> conducting a demonstration project to produce green electricity from >> locally produced biodiesel, for the purpose of determining the >> viability of full-scale commercialization. This study will also serve >> as a natural extension of the environmental stewardship of Vonergy, >> and will provide a valuable case study on the emerging use of >> bio-diesel. >> >> The investigation will involve the technical and economic feasibility >> of installing a biodiesel-powered stationary turbine engine/generator >> and additional energy efficiency measures, the electrical production >> and interconnection to a grid-system, and sourcing the fuel from >> either A) on-site production of biodiesel from soy and waste vegetable >> oil collected from area restaurants, or B) bulk purchasing of >> locally-produced biodiesel for commercial suppliers. >> >> Vonergy plans to commence activities in 2007, with the utilization of >> state funds through the Florida Renewable Energy Technologies Grant >> Program, to springboard its operations (for more information on this >> program, please visit: >> http://www.dep.state.fl.us/energy/energyact/grants.htm). Vonergy also >> has already started the process of working with local regulators >> regarding on-site co-generation; and is currently in discussions with >> Miami-Dade County regarding the Florida Brownfield's Land >> Redevelopment Program, for a possible site for the project. >> >> The Organization has also developed alliances with various entities >> including Anthony Wilson Biofuels ? a local processor, a pool of local >> investors, Florida Power & Light? the local power company, and several >> power generation equipment manufacturers. >> >> In summary, Vonergy welcomes the opportunity to work with your >> organization to develop a strategic initiative that not only meets the >> State's requirements, but one that also provides for the mutual >> beneficial objectives of both our Organizations. Any suggestions or >> recommendation from you or you Organization will be appreciated. >> >> If you have any questions, or if I may provide you with any additional >> information in the interim, please do not hesitate to contact me. >> >> Respectfully submitted by, >> Vonergy Incorporated >> P.O. Box 140866 >> Coral Gables, Florida 33114 >> (305) 218-2878 >> vonergy@gmail.com >> >> >> About Vonergy: Vonergy Incorporated is a 501(c) (3) non-profit >> organization established to promote efficient energy usage, as well as >> education and advocacy associated with the utilization of clean fuel >> technologies including both non-renewable and renewable energy. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Susan Hogarth >> http://www.colliething.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using >> Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's >> Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From bbjerregaarg at nc.rr.com Fri Dec 1 10:27:53 2006 From: bbjerregaarg at nc.rr.com (Beth Bjerregaard &(or) Bill Riggsbee) Date: Fri Dec 1 06:20:36 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE References: Message-ID: <001201c7155d$453ce8f0$6501a8c0@DC7HP081> I did a couple of searches... Vonergy is indeed listed as a non profit in Coral Gables.. and I could find a few hits on the contact's name (HANSEN VON SHNEIR) mostly computer bussiness related. But that is it.. and if it was legit there would likely be more. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill O'Luanaigh (.mac)" To: "Cameron Conover" ; Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE Given that I got this too I'm thinking someone has harvested emails from the biofuels community. This feels like one of those "Nigerian" scams. I may be wrong, they may be legitimately trying to find community/grassroots based financing but I am skeptical. On 12/1/06 9:57 AM, "Cameron Conover" wrote: > I got one too, interesting, electricity is definately something I want > to make, but what would be the difference between this and a regular > diesel generator? I'm kind-of leaning towards something that you > don't have to dump fuel into to make electricity, but a diesel > generator with Bio on hand would be a nice back-up. Then you have to > think about shelf-life, of course. > > On 12/1/06, Chris . Connor wrote: >> I make at least two. I would love to hear from someone if this is only >> for >> Florida or elsewhere. Or if it just some big phish thing. >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net >> >> To: BIG >> Sent: Fri Dec 01 09:38:43 2006 >> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER >> INITIATIVE >> >> Anyone else get this email? Everyone else? ;-) >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: vonergy@gmail.com >> Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:18 PM >> Subject: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE >> To: Green Power Collaborative >> >> >> Dear Sir/Madam, >> >> Vonergy is hereby seeking the collaboration of your Organization in >> conducting a demonstration project to produce green electricity from >> locally produced biodiesel, for the purpose of determining the >> viability of full-scale commercialization. This study will also serve >> as a natural extension of the environmental stewardship of Vonergy, >> and will provide a valuable case study on the emerging use of >> bio-diesel. >> >> The investigation will involve the technical and economic feasibility >> of installing a biodiesel-powered stationary turbine engine/generator >> and additional energy efficiency measures, the electrical production >> and interconnection to a grid-system, and sourcing the fuel from >> either A) on-site production of biodiesel from soy and waste vegetable >> oil collected from area restaurants, or B) bulk purchasing of >> locally-produced biodiesel for commercial suppliers. >> >> Vonergy plans to commence activities in 2007, with the utilization of >> state funds through the Florida Renewable Energy Technologies Grant >> Program, to springboard its operations (for more information on this >> program, please visit: >> http://www.dep.state.fl.us/energy/energyact/grants.htm). Vonergy also >> has already started the process of working with local regulators >> regarding on-site co-generation; and is currently in discussions with >> Miami-Dade County regarding the Florida Brownfield's Land >> Redevelopment Program, for a possible site for the project. >> >> The Organization has also developed alliances with various entities >> including Anthony Wilson Biofuels ? a local processor, a pool of local >> investors, Florida Power & Light? the local power company, and several >> power generation equipment manufacturers. >> >> In summary, Vonergy welcomes the opportunity to work with your >> organization to develop a strategic initiative that not only meets the >> State's requirements, but one that also provides for the mutual >> beneficial objectives of both our Organizations. Any suggestions or >> recommendation from you or you Organization will be appreciated. >> >> If you have any questions, or if I may provide you with any additional >> information in the interim, please do not hesitate to contact me. >> >> Respectfully submitted by, >> Vonergy Incorporated >> P.O. Box 140866 >> Coral Gables, Florida 33114 >> (305) 218-2878 >> vonergy@gmail.com >> >> >> About Vonergy: Vonergy Incorporated is a 501(c) (3) non-profit >> organization established to promote efficient energy usage, as well as >> education and advocacy associated with the utilization of clean fuel >> technologies including both non-renewable and renewable energy. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Susan Hogarth >> http://www.colliething.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using >> Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on >> MCI's >> Managed Email Content Service, visit http://www.mci.com. >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From john.bonitz at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 10:54:46 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Fri Dec 1 06:45:19 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] VONERGY GREEN POWER Message-ID: <84a57a420612010754o1fb20499j4a8bf5da9ff83cb6@mail.gmail.com> Yep, I got it too. They definitely used a data mining tool to grab our addresses. I'm just puzzled why they are reaching out so far. Florida Power & Light (NYSE:FPL) does not have any activity in North Carolina, so I seriously doubt that State of Florida funds could be used here. Cameron, I don't believe they are proposing the kinds of generators that you and I are accustomed to seeing. I'm thinking distributed generation on the scale of the Waukesha that Lyle and gang installed up at the Piedmont Biofuels Industrial site. FPL is a good company. They started diversifying into renewables 10 or 15 years ago. Which was noteworthy in the stodgey electric utility biz. This Vonergy thing does not google well. I found nothing but junk and dust. Aspirations outstripping capabilities, perhaps? -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From shiftlink at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 11:07:40 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Fri Dec 1 06:58:17 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] VONERGY GREEN POWER In-Reply-To: <84a57a420612010754o1fb20499j4a8bf5da9ff83cb6@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420612010754o1fb20499j4a8bf5da9ff83cb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c758e6d0612010807q28fade83r51c0ca5361bc82a7@mail.gmail.com> I need to get down there for a tour. Does anyone have a recommendation on a green building certified architect? Maybe someone out of Chapel Hill? On 12/1/06, John Bonitz wrote: > Yep, I got it too. > > They definitely used a data mining tool to grab our addresses. > > I'm just puzzled why they are reaching out so far. Florida Power & > Light (NYSE:FPL) does not have any activity in North Carolina, so I > seriously doubt that State of Florida funds could be used here. > > Cameron, I don't believe they are proposing the kinds of generators > that you and I are accustomed to seeing. I'm thinking distributed > generation on the scale of the Waukesha that Lyle and gang installed > up at the Piedmont Biofuels Industrial site. > > FPL is a good company. They started diversifying into renewables 10 > or 15 years ago. Which was noteworthy in the stodgey electric utility > biz. > > This Vonergy thing does not google well. I found nothing but junk and dust. > > Aspirations outstripping capabilities, perhaps? > > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From john.bonitz at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 11:18:36 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Fri Dec 1 07:09:10 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] VONERGY GREEN POWER In-Reply-To: <4c758e6d0612010807q28fade83r51c0ca5361bc82a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420612010754o1fb20499j4a8bf5da9ff83cb6@mail.gmail.com> <4c758e6d0612010807q28fade83r51c0ca5361bc82a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84a57a420612010818k4ccc2effq5427687b1297699f@mail.gmail.com> Alicia Revetto is a talented architect with much experience using the USGB certification system. She designed the bldg I work in, which is LEED certified and an Energy Star award winner. http://www.aliciaravettoarchitect.com/ Another two noteworthy Chatham County green builders are John Delafield - http://www.landmarksolar.com/ Harvey Harman - http://www.earthrenewalshelter.com/ All are big supporters of Piedmont Biofuels' efforts. Hope that helps. John On 12/1/06, Cameron Conover wrote: > I need to get down there for a tour. Does anyone have a > recommendation on a green building certified architect? Maybe someone > out of Chapel Hill? > > -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From shiftlink at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 11:20:35 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Fri Dec 1 07:11:09 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] VONERGY GREEN POWER In-Reply-To: <84a57a420612010818k4ccc2effq5427687b1297699f@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420612010754o1fb20499j4a8bf5da9ff83cb6@mail.gmail.com> <4c758e6d0612010807q28fade83r51c0ca5361bc82a7@mail.gmail.com> <84a57a420612010818k4ccc2effq5427687b1297699f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c758e6d0612010820u2ac0612al1a1398c7333c9b5e@mail.gmail.com> Thank you very much, I want to incorperate daylighting and some other energy friendly measures into the shop when it gets built. On 12/1/06, John Bonitz wrote: > Alicia Revetto is a talented architect with much experience using the > USGB certification system. She designed the bldg I work in, which is > LEED certified and an Energy Star award winner. > http://www.aliciaravettoarchitect.com/ > > Another two noteworthy Chatham County green builders are > > John Delafield - http://www.landmarksolar.com/ > > Harvey Harman - http://www.earthrenewalshelter.com/ > > All are big supporters of Piedmont Biofuels' efforts. > > Hope that helps. > > John > > On 12/1/06, Cameron Conover wrote: > > I need to get down there for a tour. Does anyone have a > > recommendation on a green building certified architect? Maybe someone > > out of Chapel Hill? > > > > > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From hogarth at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 13:50:41 2006 From: hogarth at gmail.com (Susan Hogarth) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:41:17 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] VONERGY GREEN POWER In-Reply-To: <4c758e6d0612010820u2ac0612al1a1398c7333c9b5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420612010754o1fb20499j4a8bf5da9ff83cb6@mail.gmail.com> <4c758e6d0612010807q28fade83r51c0ca5361bc82a7@mail.gmail.com> <84a57a420612010818k4ccc2effq5427687b1297699f@mail.gmail.com> <4c758e6d0612010820u2ac0612al1a1398c7333c9b5e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3889aa560612011050j56abcdd1of558d7db59b3aff@mail.gmail.com> On 12/1/06, Cameron Conover wrote: > Thank you very much, I want to incorperate daylighting and some other > energy friendly measures into the shop when it gets built. You mean *windows*? ;-) -- Susan Hogarth http://www.colliething.com From tami at blast.com Fri Dec 1 13:58:30 2006 From: tami at blast.com (Tami Schwerin) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:49:07 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] daylighting In-Reply-To: <3889aa560612011050j56abcdd1of558d7db59b3aff@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420612010754o1fb20499j4a8bf5da9ff83cb6@mail.gmail.com> <4c758e6d0612010807q28fade83r51c0ca5361bc82a7@mail.gmail.com> <84a57a420612010818k4ccc2effq5427687b1297699f@mail.gmail.com> <4c758e6d0612010820u2ac0612al1a1398c7333c9b5e@mail.gmail.com> <3889aa560612011050j56abcdd1of558d7db59b3aff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Cameron, Alicia Ravetto was our LEED certified architect here at The Plant for Piedmont Biofuels. She designed in a clerestory window that lights the entire kitchen and meeting room as well as windows that open throughout the offices. Amazing the small things that make such a big difference....most windows in commercial buildings do not open....people are starting to see that they don't need constant a/c when all they need to do is raise the window. Best of luck. Tami Schwerin From shiftlink at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 15:17:17 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Fri Dec 1 11:07:49 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: daylighting In-Reply-To: References: <84a57a420612010754o1fb20499j4a8bf5da9ff83cb6@mail.gmail.com> <4c758e6d0612010807q28fade83r51c0ca5361bc82a7@mail.gmail.com> <84a57a420612010818k4ccc2effq5427687b1297699f@mail.gmail.com> <4c758e6d0612010820u2ac0612al1a1398c7333c9b5e@mail.gmail.com> <3889aa560612011050j56abcdd1of558d7db59b3aff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c758e6d0612011217k259833a9s112d2daa368ffa8a@mail.gmail.com> Thank you, I'm in the early planning stages of this effort, and I'm really hoping that we can incorporate these kinds of Ideas into the build. Daylighting, Solar hot water, PV cells, micro hydro, and wood heat are all things that are on the to-do list. I've e-mailed Alicia, and Look forward to hearing from her when her schedule settles down. I understand she is teaching some classes and attending some conferences for the next week or so. I'm planning on heading down to the coop for a tour on Sunday the 10th with my Mother-in-law, so hopefully I'll be able to put some faces with these email addresses! Cameron On 12/1/06, Tami Schwerin wrote: > Cameron, > Alicia Ravetto was our LEED certified architect here at The Plant for > Piedmont Biofuels. > She designed in a clerestory window that lights the entire kitchen > and meeting room as well as windows > that open throughout the offices. Amazing the small things that make > such a big difference....most > windows in commercial buildings do not open....people are starting to > see that they don't need constant > a/c when all they need to do is raise the window. > Best of luck. > Tami Schwerin > > > From taterpatch at gmail.com Sat Dec 2 15:09:02 2006 From: taterpatch at gmail.com (Randall Hayes) Date: Sat Dec 2 10:59:32 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] contribute to NOVA Message-ID: <63311b250612021209h5869dcdeuaec6737d3958c33c@mail.gmail.com> Thought this would interest the group. -rh _____________________________________________________________________ Car of the Future: Open Production http://www.pbs.org/nova/car Get involved in the making of a NOVA program to air in the fall of 2007 on PBS. For the next two weeks, NOVA will not be broadcast in most areas because of pledge programming. However, we wanted to take this opportunity to let you know about an exciting new project. For the first time, NOVA has launched a Web site specifically to engage you, our audience, in the production of a documentary. The show will address a topic of concern to all of us: can we transition to a new breed of vehicles that relies less on oil and produces fewer greenhouse gases? NPR personalities Tom and Ray Magliozzi (a.k.a. the "Car Talk" Guys) will pepper the program with their unique brand of humor as they test-drive alternative vehicles, meet leading energy policy gurus, and more. The documentary will be shot and edited over the winter and spring of 2006-2007 and is tentatively slated to air in the fall of 2007. As our production team embarks on shooting over the next few months, we'd like to hear from you. What questions would you ask of the experts we'll interview? What technologies would you like to see profiled? On the Web site www.pbs.org/nova/car, you can explore current plans for the program, submit your own ideas, and get updates as the production unfolds. 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We welcome your questions, comments, and feedback. You can send a message directly to nova@wgbh.org, or use our feedback form at http://www.pbs.org/nova/feedback/ You are subscribed to the NOVA Bulletin. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pbs.org/nova/mailing/unsubscribe.html -- or send an e-mail to majordomo@franz.wgbh.org and, on a line by itself in the message, type: unsubscribe nova-online Major funding for NOVA is provided by Google. Additional funding is provided by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and public television viewers. Funding for the Car of the Future: Open Production site is provided by The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. _____________________________________________________________________ From amy.cole at researchandmarkets.com Mon Dec 4 19:30:54 2006 From: amy.cole at researchandmarkets.com (Amy Cole) Date: Mon Dec 4 11:14:10 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** U.S. Bioethanol & Cellulosic Ethanol Markets & Future Directions Message-ID: <20061204151703.CFA8F112EE0@mail2.blast.com> I enclose details of our latest Bioethanol & Cellulosic Ethanol Markets Report. This report describes the usage of renewable resources such as ethanol as an alternative to oil and gas, the research focuses on the U.S market and also includes annual production trends. During the past few years, new technologies have emerged that, if properly nurtured, could provide the key to a broader effort to wean Americans off foreign oil, drastically reduce pollution, help slow global warming and revolutionize portable power. One is an industrial process that may make ethanol far cheaper to produce than ever before, with the potential of making this much-maligned-and over-subsidized-biofuel economically competitive with gasoline. This is far more promising, in the near term, than much of the research on which we're currently spending federal dollars and intellectual energy. As far as the science books are concerned, ethanol is merely a form of alcohol, commonly produced from corn, which is mixed in with gasoline to provide transportation power. The ethanol industry produced 4 billion gallons last year, less than 3 percent of the volume of gasoline consumed by Americans. As a result, only a small fraction of gas stations actually sell ethanol-gasohol mixtures. A new and promising technology has the potential to make ethanol fuels much more practical. This method for producing ethanol not from corn kernels, but from the plant's stalk, roots and leaves, is known as cellulosic material. So-called cellulosic ethanol has been around for years, but breaking down the cellulose to make it fermentable was inefficient, expensive, and manufactured a fair amount of pollution. But only until recently have companies developed a process for making it more efficiently. Cellulosic ethanol made from stalks and husks (and other plant cellulose material) still has to be fermented, but it uses cast-off waste products of food that's already being grown. Cellulosic is just one form of biomass, which is energy produced from organic substances. Biomass is derived from many types of waste organic matter, both animal and vegetable, such as crop stalks, tree thinning, wooden pallets, construction waste, animal waste, agricultural waste and lawn trimmings, etc. Using renewable resources for our future energy supply is a step in the right direction because it environmentally friendly by reducing pollution and helping to preserve other energy sources which are scarcer. It also represents a hope for those nations that are deprived of natural energy sources, like oil and natural gas. For a complete index of this report click on: http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/5c4942/us_bioethanol_cellulosic_ethanol_markets Report Index: Executive Summary Classification of biomass in this report Section A: Bioethanol & Cellulosic Ethanol Market 1. Outlook on U.S. Bioethanol/Cellulosic Ethanol Production Volume and Dollar Amount 1.1 Trends: Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and the Number of Refineries 1.1.1 Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and the Number of Refineries (actual) Table 1. Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and the Number of Refineries: 2000- 2005 Figure 1. Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and the Number of Refineries: 2000- 2005 1.1.2 Production Dollar Amount Trends: 2000- 2005 Figure 2. Production Dollar Amount Trends: 2000- 2005 1.1.3 Forecast: Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and the Number of Refineries: 2006- 2011 Table 3. Forecast: Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and the Number of Refineries: 2006- 2011 Figure 3. Forecast: Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and the Number of Refineries: 2006- 2011 1.1.4 Forecast of Annual Production Dollar Amount: 2006- 2011 Table 4. Forecast of Annual Production Dollar Amount: 2006- 2011 Figure 4. Forecast of Annual Production Dollar Amount: 2006- 2011 1.1.4.1 The List of All Bioethanol Production Facilities and Refineries 1.1.4.2 Production Share by Each Company Table 7. Each Company's Production Share Figure 5. Each Company's Production Share 1.1.5 Annual Production Outlook: 2015- 2026 Table 7. Annual Production Outlook: 2015- 2026 Figure 6. Annual Production Outlook: 2015- 2026 1.1.6 Annual Production Dollar Outlook: 2015- 2026 Table 8. Annual Production Dollar Outlook: 2015- 2026 Figure 7. Annual Production Dollar Outlook: 2015- 2026 1.2 Comparison between Gasoline Demand, and Bioethanol/Cellulosic-Ethanol Demand 1.2.3 Comparison Forecast: Comparison between Gasoline Demand, and Bioethanol/Cellulosic-Ethanol Demand Feedstock Requires: 2006, 2026 Table 9. Comparison Forecast: 2006, 2026 Figure 8. Comparison Forecast: 2006, 2026 1.3 The Comparison of Bioethanol Price with Gasoline Price: 1982- 2004 1.3.1 The Comparison of Bioethanol Price with Gasoline Price Figure 9. The Comparison of Bioethanol Price with Gasoline Price 1.3.2 Price Comparison between Ethanol and Gasoline: 2005- 2008 Table 11. Price Comparison between Ethanol and Gasoline: 2005- 2008 Figure 10. Price Comparison between Ethanol and Gasoline: 2005- 2008 1.3.3 Government Assistance (Tax Credit) and Tariff 1.4 Production Volume of Feedstock and Cost Trends 1.4.1 Comparison between Corn Production Volume and Ethanol Production Volume: 2001- 2005 Table 12. Comparison between Corn Production Volume and Ethanol Production Volume Figure 11. Comparison between Corn Production Volume and Ethanol Production Volume 1.4.2 Market Price Trends of Corn: 2006- 2010 Table 13. Market Price Trends of Corn Figure 12. Market Price Trends of Corn 2. Bioethanol Vehicle (FFV or Flexible Fuel Vehicle) Production Trends 2.1 The Present State of Environmentally-Friendly Cars Chart 14. The Present State of Environmentally-Friendly Cars 2.2 Introduction of Different Blends of Bioethanol (by Country) 2.3 Bioethanol Vehicle Strategies by Car Companies Table 15. Bioethanol Vehicle Strategies by Car Companies 2.4 Bioethanol Vehicle Production Plan and Forecast: 2006-2010 Table 16. Bioethanol Vehicle Production Plan and Forecast Figure 13. Bioethanol Vehicle Production Plan and Forecast Table 17. 2007 Bioethanol Car Model Table 18. Existing Bioethanol Car Model 2.5 Planning of the Gas Stations for Bioethanol Vehicles: 2006-2010 Table 19. Gas Stations Planning on selling Bioethanol Figure 14. Gas Stations Planning on selling Bioethanol 3. Bioethanol Market's Blind Spot 4. A New Alternative to Oil, and its Outlook Table 20. Crude Oil Reserves by Region (as of 2006) Figure 15. Crude Oil Reserves by Region (as of 2006) Table 21. Coal Reserves by Region (as of 2006) Figure 16. Coal Reserves by Region (as of 2006) 5. On a Possible Turning Point for the Energy and Environmental Policies, and Future Outlook Section B: Cellulosic Ethanol R&D 1. The Definitions and Classifications of Cellulosic Ethanol Figure 17. The Composition of Cellulosic Biomass 2. Technologies and Marketability 2.1 Historical and Current R&D 2.1.1 Cellulosic Biomass Conversion Processes 2.1.2 Biotechnology and Genetics Engineering 3. Bottlenecks 3.1 Cost of Processing Materials and Commercial Scale of Biorefineries 3.2 Processes 4. Current and Future Trends 4.1 Now and Tomorrow in Material Usage 4.2 Specific Applications and Marketability 4.3 Future Outlook and Commercial Implications 4.3.1 Strengthen of Cellulosic Ethanol 4.3.2 US Government Help 4.3.3 Land use 4.3.4 Reducing Costs 4.3.5 Future Outlook 5. Company and R&D Center Activity 5.1 Companies and R&D Center at a Glance 5.1.1 Technology Companies and R&D Centers Table 22. At a Glance (Name of Organizations, Location, Technology Focus, Current R&D Stage, Partnership/Strategic Alliance) 5.1.2 Other Cellulosic Ethanol Companies and R&D Centers 5.1.3 Strategic Alliances At-a-Glance Cellulosic Alliances 1 Cellulosic Alliances 2 Cellulosic Alliances 3 6. Activities of Cellulosic Ethanol R&D Companies and R&D Centers Common Research Items: - Department and URL - R&D and Type of Technology - Target Applications - Technology Details and Advantages - Complications in Technology Development - Future Outlook for This Technology - Next Stage of R&D and Commercial Implications - Partnerships and Alliances 6.1 To 6.16 (Total 16 Companies and R&D Centers) Section C: Biomass R&D 1. Historical and Current R&D 1.1 Converting Biomass to Biofuel 1.2 Bottlenecks 2. Current and Future Trends in Material Usage 2.1 Examples of Biomass 2.2 Specific Applications and Marketability 3. Future Outlook and Commercial Implications 4. Company and R&D Center Activity 4.1 Companies and R&D Center at a Glance 4.1.1 Technology Companies and R&D Centers Table 25. At a Glance 4.1.2 Service Companies Table 26. At a Glance 4.1.3 Supply Companies Table 27. At a Glance 4.1.4 Other Biomass Companies 4.2 Strategic Alliances At-a-Glance Table 29. At a Glance Biomass Company Alliances 1 Biomass Company Alliances 2 5. Activities of Biomass Companies and R&D Cenetrs Common Research Items: - Department and URL - R&D and Type of Technology - Target Applications - Technology Details and Advantages - Complications in Technology Development - Future Outlook for This Technology - Next Stage of R&D and Commercial Implications - Partnerships and Alliances 5.1 Biomass R&D Companies and R&D Centers 5.1.1 to 5.1.10 (Total 10) 5.2 Biomass Service Companies and Organizations 5.2.1 to 5.2.2 (Total 2) 5.3 Biomass Supply Companies 5.3.1 (Total 1) Pricing: Hard Copy : EUR 1065 Site License : EUR 1600 Ordering - Three easy ways to place your order: 1] Order online at http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/5c4942/us_bioethanol_cellulosic_ethanol_markets 2] Order by fax: Print an Order form from http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/5c4942/us_bioethanol_cellulosic_ethanol_markets and Fax to +353 1 4100 980 3] Order by mail: Print an Order form from http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/5c4942/us_bioethanol_cellulosic_ethanol_markets and post to Research and Markets Ltd. Guinness Center, Taylors Lane, Dublin 8. Ireland. Thank you for your consideration. Best Regards, Amy Cole Senior Manager Research and Markets Ltd amy.cole@researchandmarkets.com Subscribe: Click on http://www.researchandmarkets.com/register.asp You can subscribe free for regular details on new research in your sector. Please note you are currently subscribed as biofuels_interest_group@lists.biofuels.coop If you no longer wish to receive our market research updates, please reply to this message with Suppression Request as the subject line, or use the link below http://www.researchandmarkets.com/unsubscribe.asp?functionx=unsubscribe&email=biofuels_interest_group@lists.biofuels.coop From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 20:23:19 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Mon Dec 4 15:58:03 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** U.S. Bioethanol & Cellulosic Ethanol Markets & Future Directions In-Reply-To: <20061204151703.CFA8F112EE0@mail2.blast.com> References: <20061204151703.CFA8F112EE0@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: <4574CA07.2080900@gmail.com> So why would anyone want to pay over 1,000 euros (about $1300) for a market research report on bioethanol and cellulosic ethanol, especially when no one is yet producing cellulosic ethanol on a commercial scale? (We are getting close, but there still bugs to be worked out in the process). -- Mark Amy Cole wrote: >I enclose details of our latest Bioethanol & Cellulosic Ethanol Markets Report. > >This report describes the usage of renewable resources such as ethanol as an alternative to oil and gas, the research focuses on the U.S market and also includes annual production trends. > >During the past few years, new technologies have emerged that, if properly nurtured, could provide the key to a broader effort to wean Americans off foreign oil, drastically reduce pollution, help slow global warming and revolutionize portable power. One is an industrial process that may make ethanol far cheaper to produce than ever before, with the potential of making this much-maligned-and over-subsidized-biofuel economically competitive with gasoline. This is far more promising, in the near term, than much of the research on which we're currently spending federal dollars and intellectual energy. > >As far as the science books are concerned, ethanol is merely a form of alcohol, commonly produced from corn, which is mixed in with gasoline to provide transportation power. The ethanol industry produced 4 billion gallons last year, less than 3 percent of the volume of gasoline consumed by Americans. As a result, only a small fraction of gas stations actually sell ethanol-gasohol mixtures. > >A new and promising technology has the potential to make ethanol fuels much more practical. This method for producing ethanol not from corn kernels, but from the plant's stalk, roots and leaves, is known as cellulosic material. So-called cellulosic ethanol has been around for years, but breaking down the cellulose to make it fermentable was inefficient, expensive, and manufactured a fair amount of pollution. But only until recently have companies developed a process for making it more efficiently. Cellulosic ethanol made from stalks and husks (and other plant cellulose material) still has to be fermented, but it uses cast-off waste products of food that's already being grown. > >Cellulosic is just one form of biomass, which is energy produced from organic substances. Biomass is derived from many types of waste organic matter, both animal and vegetable, such as crop stalks, tree thinning, wooden pallets, construction waste, animal waste, agricultural waste and lawn trimmings, etc. > >Using renewable resources for our future energy supply is a step in the right direction because it environmentally friendly by reducing pollution and helping to preserve other energy sources which are scarcer. It also represents a hope for those nations that are deprived of natural energy sources, like oil and natural gas. > >For a complete index of this report click on: >http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/5c4942/us_bioethanol_cellulosic_ethanol_markets > >Report Index: > >Executive Summary > >Classification of biomass in this report > >Section A: Bioethanol & Cellulosic Ethanol Market > >1. Outlook on U.S. Bioethanol/Cellulosic Ethanol Production Volume and Dollar Amount > >1.1 Trends: Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and the Number of Refineries >1.1.1 Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and the Number of Refineries (actual) >Table 1. Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and >the Number of Refineries: 2000- 2005 >Figure 1. Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and >the Number of Refineries: 2000- 2005 >1.1.2 Production Dollar Amount Trends: 2000- 2005 >Figure 2. Production Dollar Amount Trends: 2000- 2005 >1.1.3 Forecast: Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and >the Number of Refineries: 2006- 2011 >Table 3. Forecast: Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and >the Number of Refineries: 2006- 2011 >Figure 3. Forecast: Annual Production Volume, Production Capacity, and >the Number of Refineries: 2006- 2011 >1.1.4 Forecast of Annual Production Dollar Amount: 2006- 2011 >Table 4. Forecast of Annual Production Dollar Amount: 2006- 2011 >Figure 4. Forecast of Annual Production Dollar Amount: 2006- 2011 >1.1.4.1 The List of All Bioethanol Production Facilities and Refineries >1.1.4.2 Production Share by Each Company >Table 7. Each Company's Production Share >Figure 5. Each Company's Production Share >1.1.5 Annual Production Outlook: 2015- 2026 >Table 7. Annual Production Outlook: 2015- 2026 >Figure 6. Annual Production Outlook: 2015- 2026 >1.1.6 Annual Production Dollar Outlook: 2015- 2026 >Table 8. Annual Production Dollar Outlook: 2015- 2026 >Figure 7. Annual Production Dollar Outlook: 2015- 2026 > >1.2 Comparison between Gasoline Demand, and >Bioethanol/Cellulosic-Ethanol Demand >1.2.3 Comparison Forecast: Comparison between Gasoline Demand, and >Bioethanol/Cellulosic-Ethanol Demand >Feedstock Requires: 2006, 2026 >Table 9. Comparison Forecast: 2006, 2026 >Figure 8. Comparison Forecast: 2006, 2026 > >1.3 The Comparison of Bioethanol Price with Gasoline Price: 1982- 2004 >1.3.1 The Comparison of Bioethanol Price with Gasoline Price >Figure 9. The Comparison of Bioethanol Price with Gasoline Price >1.3.2 Price Comparison between Ethanol and Gasoline: 2005- 2008 >Table 11. Price Comparison between Ethanol and Gasoline: 2005- 2008 >Figure 10. Price Comparison between Ethanol and Gasoline: 2005- 2008 >1.3.3 Government Assistance (Tax Credit) and Tariff > >1.4 Production Volume of Feedstock and Cost Trends >1.4.1 Comparison between Corn Production Volume and Ethanol Production Volume: 2001- 2005 >Table 12. Comparison between Corn Production Volume and Ethanol Production Volume >Figure 11. Comparison between Corn Production Volume and Ethanol Production Volume >1.4.2 Market Price Trends of Corn: 2006- 2010 >Table 13. Market Price Trends of Corn >Figure 12. Market Price Trends of Corn > >2. Bioethanol Vehicle (FFV or Flexible Fuel Vehicle) Production Trends > >2.1 The Present State of Environmentally-Friendly Cars >Chart 14. The Present State of Environmentally-Friendly Cars >2.2 Introduction of Different Blends of Bioethanol (by Country) >2.3 Bioethanol Vehicle Strategies by Car Companies >Table 15. Bioethanol Vehicle Strategies by Car Companies >2.4 Bioethanol Vehicle Production Plan and Forecast: 2006-2010 >Table 16. Bioethanol Vehicle Production Plan and Forecast >Figure 13. Bioethanol Vehicle Production Plan and Forecast >Table 17. 2007 Bioethanol Car Model >Table 18. Existing Bioethanol Car Model >2.5 Planning of the Gas Stations for Bioethanol Vehicles: 2006-2010 >Table 19. Gas Stations Planning on selling Bioethanol >Figure 14. Gas Stations Planning on selling Bioethanol > >3. Bioethanol Market's Blind Spot > >4. A New Alternative to Oil, and its Outlook >Table 20. Crude Oil Reserves by Region (as of 2006) >Figure 15. Crude Oil Reserves by Region (as of 2006) >Table 21. Coal Reserves by Region (as of 2006) >Figure 16. Coal Reserves by Region (as of 2006) > >5. On a Possible Turning Point for the Energy and Environmental Policies, and Future Outlook > >Section B: Cellulosic Ethanol R&D > >1. The Definitions and Classifications of Cellulosic Ethanol >Figure 17. The Composition of Cellulosic Biomass > >2. Technologies and Marketability >2.1 Historical and Current R&D >2.1.1 Cellulosic Biomass Conversion Processes >2.1.2 Biotechnology and Genetics Engineering > >3. Bottlenecks >3.1 Cost of Processing Materials and Commercial Scale of Biorefineries >3.2 Processes > >4. Current and Future Trends >4.1 Now and Tomorrow in Material Usage >4.2 Specific Applications and Marketability >4.3 Future Outlook and Commercial Implications >4.3.1 Strengthen of Cellulosic Ethanol >4.3.2 US Government Help >4.3.3 Land use >4.3.4 Reducing Costs >4.3.5 Future Outlook > >5. Company and R&D Center Activity >5.1 Companies and R&D Center at a Glance >5.1.1 Technology Companies and R&D Centers >Table 22. At a Glance (Name of Organizations, Location, Technology Focus, >Current R&D Stage, Partnership/Strategic Alliance) >5.1.2 Other Cellulosic Ethanol Companies and R&D Centers >5.1.3 Strategic Alliances At-a-Glance >Cellulosic Alliances 1 >Cellulosic Alliances 2 >Cellulosic Alliances 3 > >6. Activities of Cellulosic Ethanol R&D Companies and R&D Centers > >Common Research Items: >- Department and URL >- R&D and Type of Technology >- Target Applications >- Technology Details and Advantages >- Complications in Technology Development >- Future Outlook for This Technology >- Next Stage of R&D and Commercial Implications >- Partnerships and Alliances > >6.1 To 6.16 (Total 16 Companies and R&D Centers) > >Section C: Biomass R&D > >1. Historical and Current R&D >1.1 Converting Biomass to Biofuel >1.2 Bottlenecks > >2. Current and Future Trends in Material Usage >2.1 Examples of Biomass >2.2 Specific Applications and Marketability > >3. Future Outlook and Commercial Implications > >4. Company and R&D Center Activity >4.1 Companies and R&D Center at a Glance >4.1.1 Technology Companies and R&D Centers >Table 25. At a Glance >4.1.2 Service Companies >Table 26. At a Glance >4.1.3 Supply Companies >Table 27. At a Glance >4.1.4 Other Biomass Companies >4.2 Strategic Alliances At-a-Glance >Table 29. At a Glance >Biomass Company Alliances 1 >Biomass Company Alliances 2 > >5. Activities of Biomass Companies and R&D Cenetrs > >Common Research Items: >- Department and URL >- R&D and Type of Technology >- Target Applications >- Technology Details and Advantages >- Complications in Technology Development >- Future Outlook for This Technology >- Next Stage of R&D and Commercial Implications >- Partnerships and Alliances > >5.1 Biomass R&D Companies and R&D Centers >5.1.1 to 5.1.10 (Total 10) >5.2 Biomass Service Companies and Organizations >5.2.1 to 5.2.2 (Total 2) >5.3 Biomass Supply Companies >5.3.1 (Total 1) > >Pricing: > >Hard Copy : EUR 1065 >Site License : EUR 1600 > >Ordering - Three easy ways to place your order: > >1] Order online at http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/5c4942/us_bioethanol_cellulosic_ethanol_markets > >2] Order by fax: Print an Order form from http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/5c4942/us_bioethanol_cellulosic_ethanol_markets and Fax to +353 1 4100 980 > >3] Order by mail: Print an Order form from http://www.researchandmarkets.com/product/5c4942/us_bioethanol_cellulosic_ethanol_markets and post to Research and Markets Ltd. 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Ireland. > >Thank you for your consideration. >Best Regards, > >Amy Cole > >Senior Manager > >Research and Markets Ltd > >amy.cole@researchandmarkets.com > >Subscribe: Click on http://www.researchandmarkets.com/register.asp You can subscribe free for regular details on new research in your sector. > >Please note you are currently subscribed as biofuels_interest_group@lists.biofuels.coop > >If you no longer wish to receive our market research updates, please reply to this message with Suppression Request as the subject line, or use the link below > >http://www.researchandmarkets.com/unsubscribe.asp?functionx=unsubscribe&email=biofuels_interest_group@lists.biofuels.coop >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Dec 4 15:48:24 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Dec 4 18:53:43 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 2007 Sustainable Biodiesel Summit Message-ID: <4981861B-7474-4732-94A7-EAF2370C3949@blast.com> The 2007 Sustainable Biodiesel Summit will be happening this year in San Antonio ,Texas ?.so start making your plans now. This year?s Sustainable Biodiesel Summit will happen on Sunday February 4th and it will coincide with the National Biodiesel Conference which runs from Feb. 4tth to the 7th. One of the goals of the SBS is to foster the environmental sustainability of the biodiesel industry. Initiatives include supporting smaller, local production using regional feedstocks, encouraging local ownership of production and distribution, increasing energy efficiency and the use of renewable energy in production, and diversifying feedstocks. The summit is a chance for everyone from the grassroots activist to the small corporation to access technical information, learn from case studies of different models, share experiences from different regions of the country, and build an alliance of professionals dedicated to increasing the sustainability of the industry. Time, location and cost will be announced, but know that the goal is to make the summit affordable and accessible to those interested in attending. If you're able to offer a scholarship for others to attend, let us know. It is likely that there will be an impromptu gathering for dinner on Saturday evening for those who arrive in time, as well as dinner included as the wrap up for the conference. We will be offering the following tracks: Feedstocks Fuel Quality Small Business Models Sustainable Production: Best Practices and Energy Conservation Stay tuned for more information. Thanks Rachel Piedmont Biofuels From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Dec 4 23:04:57 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Dec 4 18:55:15 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Biofuels Seminar References: <20061130215559.8952.qmail@web55113.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95C8BBEB-5657-43F5-BD69-2E30E25C39C5@blast.com> FYI Begin forwarded message: > > There is a seminar on NCSU campus next week that might interest you. > > Biofuels and Biorefineries: Reality, Hype, or Something in Between > Dr. Stephen Kelley, NCSU Dept. of Wood & Paper Science > Wednesday, 12/6/2006 > 3:30-4:30 > NCSU Centennial Campus > Monteith Research Center Auditorium, Room 136 From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Dec 4 23:19:01 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Dec 4 19:09:19 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Centralina Clean Fuels Coalition - Monthly Update References: <6D29349473E22449865356FEE7CE18494BE086@CCOGSBS1.ccogdom1.local> Message-ID: <6437E98E-0CDD-4B71-A5AD-FB012D672DAA@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Sarah Niess" > Date: December 1, 2006 4:58:14 PM EST > > > Monthly Email Update ? December 2006 > There is a lot going on this month - both the CFAT and Mobile > Source Emissions Reduction grant applications are due in December. > In addition, there are a number of interesting workshops happening > at the beginning of the month. See below for more details. > > > > Grant Announcements: > > > > Clean Fuel Advanced Technology (CFAT) Grants: > > Approximately $1.5 million in funding will be available through the > NC Solar Center for a program supported by the NC Department of > Transportation, NC Division of Air Quality and the State Energy > Office. Grants will be provided for a portion of the incremental > costs of alternative fuel vehicles, refueling infrastructure and > other projects that reduce mobile emissions in national ambient air > quality non-attainment and maintenance counties in NC. > The RFP for the 2006 grants has $338,807 in funds available. > Deadline is December 15, 2006, for more information visit: http:// > www.4cleanfuels.com/CFAT.asp > Mobile Source Emissions Reduction Grants ? NC Division of Air Quality > NC Division of Air Quality recently announced the 2007 Mobile > Source Emissions Reduction grant. The grant?s goal is to achieve > actual reductions from on- and off- road mobile source related > emissions in North Carolina to assist the State in maintaining the > National Air Quality Standards for primarily ozone and carbon > monoxide. Deadline is December 31, 2006, for more information > visit: http://www.daq.state.nc.us/motor/ms_grants/ > > > National Energy Technology Labs > > NETL has just released a new Funding Opportunity titled- > "Development of Power Electronics and Electric Motor Technology for > Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEV), Internal Combustion Engine > Hybrid Electric Vehicles (HEV) and Fuel Cell Vehicle (FCV) Traction > Drive Applications". See the link below for more information. > > http://www.netl.doe.gov/business/solicitations/index.html > > NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance > The NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental > Assistance (DPPEA) would like to announce the opening of the 2007 > grant round. DPPEA has committed $300,000 from the Solid Waste > Management Trust Fund for this grant cycle. Applicants may request > any amount of funding up to a maximum of $30,000. Applicants must > provide at least a 50 percent cash match to the requested amount. > You can find the Request for Proposals (RFP) and more information > for the 2007 Recycling Business Development Grants under "Grants" > section of the RBAC web page www.p2pays.org/rbac/grants.html. > > > Events/Conferences: > > December 5, 2006 ? Foothills Bio-Energies Workshop and Plant Tour > Caldwell County-Broyhill Civic Center, NC > Biodiesel workshop and plant tour of Foothills Bio-Energies? > facility. If you are interested in attending please RSVP to Randy > Dellinger of Foothills Bio-Energies (www.foothillsbio-energies.com) > by email at randy@foothillsbio-energies.com or by phone at > 828-759-7101. > > December 5-6, 2006 - Southeast Diesel Collaborative Partners > Atlanta, GA > This Emerging Fuels Issues Workshop is intended to facilitate the > exchange of information among the participants regarding current > fuels regulation and control issues and to offer opportunities to > receive information regarding regional and national issues, > initiatives, and expectations. Topic areas will include national > fuels provisions of the 2005 Energy Policy Act, ultra-low sulfur > diesel program implementation, the national renewable fuels > standard, and voluntary fuels initiatives including biodiesel and > ethanol. For more information visit: http://www.southeastdiesel.org/ > > December 7, 2006 - Strategic Energy Planning Workshop > NC Arboretum in Asheville, NC > The State Energy Office is offering a one-day workshop for local > government managers at the NC Arboretum in Asheville. This is a > great opportunity for city and county managers, finance officers, > facilities directors, school superintendents, etc., to better > manage escalating utility costs. The State Energy Office has > assisted state facilities and universities in saving millions of > dollars in energy costs. Now, the SEO is helping local governments > and public institutions with this utility savings initiative and > strategic planning approach. David Mahoney with GEM Consulting > will present the workshop in partnership with the Land-of-Sky > Regional Council. Registration is $60 per organization and covers > instruction and lunch for two. > > Visit the State Energy Office Web site for a full brochure: http:// > www.energync.net/resources/docs/calendar/Strategic%20Energy% > 20Planning%20for%20Local%20Governments.pdf. February 4-7, 2007 ? > National Biodiesel Conference > San Antonio, TX > This national conference is hosted annually by the National > Biodiesel Board and covers all topics biodiesel. For more > information visit: www.biodieselconference.org March 12-14, 2007 > ? Business Basics and Biofuels or Photovoltaics Industries NC State > University > A workshop covering the business, management, marketing and > distributing aspects of the biofuels and photovoltaics industries. > There will be separate tracks for each industry. For more > information call (919) 515-2261 or visit: > www.continuingeducation.ncsu.edu > > April 1-4, 2007 ? 2007 Alternative Fuels and Vehicles Expo and > National Conference Anaheim, CA > AFVI holds it annual conference to bring fleet managers, industry > leaders other others interested in alternative fuels the latest > vehicles and technologies available. Workshops and conference > topics will also include cost-effective emission reductions, tax > incentives and analyzing fleet options. For more information > visit: www.afvi.org/nationalconference2007 > > April 18, 2006 ? Mobilizing North Carolina, Where Air Quality, > Energy and Transportation Meet > Greensboro, NC > This conference is part of the Clean Fuel Advanced Technology > program. Conference topics will include many of the latest vehicle > and fuel technologies as well as incentives, diesel retrofits and > managing fleet fuel economy. The keynote speaker is > environmentalist and renowned paleoanthropologist, Richard Leakey, > who will speak about Climate Change and what it means for our > future. For more information visit: http://www.4cleanfuels.com/ > CFAT.asp > > > News/Other Items of Interest: > > Great Article On Honda Civic GX > In case you missed it, Popular Science has a very positive article > about the Honda Civic GX and the Phill home refueling appliance. > To see it, visit http://www.popsci.com/popsci/automotivetech/ > c9454ccdc09ae010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html > North Carolina is well-positioned to take the lead on energy > independence > For article on how North Carolina is well positioned to become the > first state in America to be nearly energy independent visit http:// > www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061119/ > COLUMNISTS10/61117060/1006/opinion > > Hybrids Top 2007 Fuel Economy Guide > Hybrid vehicles occupy the first four positions on the U.S. > Department of Energy's (DOE's) and U.S. Environmental Protection > Agency's (EPA's) top ten list of fuel economy leaders, part of the > recently released 2007 Fuel Economy Guide. In total, six hybrids > appeared on the annual list, which ranks vehicles based on city and > highway miles per gallon (mpg) achievements. The guide also > provides estimates of each vehicle's annual fuel costs, assuming > 15,000 miles of travel per year (55% city driving, 45% highway > driving) and fuel costs of $2.65/gallon for regular unleaded > gasoline and $2.85/gallon for premium. > > To view a copy pf DOE's and EPA's Fuel Economy Guide visit http:// > www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/feg2000.htm > > Toll-Free Biodiesel Number Available > As motorists increasingly demand biodiesel, a new toll-free number > will help them find this homegrown fuel anywhere in the United > States. The National Biodiesel Board (NBB) recently announced the > launch of 866-BIODIESEL at the Great American Trucking Show (GATS). > The Biodiesel Hotline will be staffed twenty-four hours a day, > seven days a week. > The Biodiesel Hotline staff uses mapping software linked to a > database that is populated and kept up to date with retail outlets > carrying biodiesel. Information including truck accessibility and > blend percentages of biodiesel to petro-diesel is available. > > Sarah Niess > Centralina Clean Fuels Coalition > 704.348.2719 > www.4cleanfuels.com > > > > From msuppan at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 10:45:46 2006 From: msuppan at gmail.com (Manfred Stanfield) Date: Tue Dec 5 06:37:53 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] The numbers behind ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel in the U.S. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205104543.06212a78@gmail.com> I found this article informative. To see the full article, go to: http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/12/04/montenegro/ The Big Three The numbers behind ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel in the U.S. By Maywa Montenegro 04 Dec 2006 America devours oil like no other country in the world. Representing 5 percent of the global population, the country consumes fully a quarter of the world's oil. Every year, to move ourselves and our goods around, we burn 140 billion gallons of gasoline and 40 billion gallons of diesel -- enough to propel the average U.S. car around the world 1.6 billion times. But rising prices, climate change, and seemingly endless crises in the Middle East have sparked a reckoning. While there is plenty of disagreement about how best to end what President Bush has called our "addiction to oil," a rough consensus has formed in support of biofuel as an alternative to crude oil. But biofuel -- energy gained from plant or animal matter -- is a broad category. The term lumps together a number of energy sources that are, in fact, quite different, from turkey innards to corn stalks. (Mmm, sounds like Thanksgiving dinner.) So far, three fuels have emerged to lead the U.S. biofuels pack, whether in practice or in our collective imagination: corn ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel. ... Manfred Stanfield MCT, MCSE, MCP+I MSuppan@gmail.com I live the life I love, and I love the life I live. "The 4 R's - Reduce, Reuse, Recycle, and Respect." - Manfred Stanfield From shiftlink at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 20:27:07 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Tue Dec 5 16:17:23 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel Sports Car Message-ID: <4c758e6d0612051727r53c84e81h9b26b88319c92ef7@mail.gmail.com> Here's the link: http://www.trident-vehicles.co.uk/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 On that note, I'm on the lookout for any VW turbo diesel complete engines with ancileries. I'm looking to put a diesel in a 1979 Scirocco that I've got. There is the posiibility of a new racing class on the horizon that allows diesel power, and I'd love to build one for competition and run B100 for fuel. This would be an endurance racing car, some 12 and 24 hour races. If anyone has a line on a diesel powerplant, or a donor car let me know. Thank you, Cameron From kegel at fdt.net Wed Dec 6 02:06:34 2006 From: kegel at fdt.net (Harald W. Kegelmann) Date: Tue Dec 5 16:56:48 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Fwd: THE VONERGY GREEN POWER INITIATIVE In-Reply-To: <20061201144917.DA2151131E6@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: Vonergy Incorporated is a non-profit organization in Florida since 2004. You can look up their articles of incorporation on www.sunbiz.org (go to Online Searches --> Corporations, Trademarks --> Name List) or you might be able to pull it up with this URL: http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=N04000005780&n2=NAMFWD&n3=0000&n4=N&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=VONERGY&r5= The deadline for the Florida RE Grant was last Thursday, November 30. We submitted a proposal for the $15 million that are available. Funding requests can be as low as $50,000 to $2.5 million. Selection of winning grants will be made by 01/31/07 and will be awarded by 03/31/07. I don't see how anybody can make promises on getting money from a grant that has not been awarded, yet. While the company is legit, their articles do not say anything about biodiesel. They seem to be more of an IT Technology education company. I also could not find a registration for Anthony Wilson Biofuels as a company incorporated as an Inc or LLC in Florida. Hope that helps, Harry Kegelmann Alachua Biodiesel Company Gainesville, Florida > Reply-To: "Beth Bjerregaard &\(or\) Bill Riggsbee" > Message: 1 > > I did a couple of searches... > > Vonergy is indeed listed as a non profit in Coral Gables.. and I could find > a few hits on the contact's name (HANSEN VON SHNEIR) mostly computer > bussiness related. But that is it.. and if it was legit there would likely > be more. > Beth > From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Dec 6 10:20:32 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Dec 6 06:10:41 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] BMW to Sell New Diesels in the US Message-ID: <042C18C0-E894-4252-897A-F70C8DB5D9AA@blast.com> The BMW Group has announced that it will launch diesel vehicles in the US in 2008. The company said that offering diesels in the US is a long-term oriented sustainable commitment. BMW said it has developed an enhanced concept for reducing nitrous oxide emissions to meet 50 state requirements. BMW will announce the type designations and specifications of the BMW Diesel vehicles for the US at a later point in time. Contact: BMW, www.bmw.com From dentonconrad at netzero.net Wed Dec 6 10:38:48 2006 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad) Date: Wed Dec 6 06:30:00 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Enzymes turn straw to fuel Message-ID: <4576E408.20601@netzero.net> Enzymes turn straw to fuel - http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/514462.html From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Dec 6 11:38:30 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Dec 6 07:28:49 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Philadelphia Company Makes Biodiesel from Restaurant Waste References: Message-ID: <8E2393C6-1646-4BE7-B063-0873E5C21C00@blast.com> Here's the story that aired on NPR today on Philly Fry-o-diesel > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6585629 From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com Wed Dec 6 14:19:06 2006 From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl) Date: Wed Dec 6 10:09:21 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Enzymes turn straw to fuel Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E26@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> This is the place where my friend works. We were going to try and arrange a tour there. Cheryl G. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Denton Conrad Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:39 AM To: Biofuels Class Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Enzymes turn straw to fuel Enzymes turn straw to fuel - http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/514462.html _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From john.bonitz at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 14:41:12 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Wed Dec 6 10:31:28 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] The numbers behind ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel in the US Message-ID: <84a57a420612061141l3614c7eft47a9364815cda969@mail.gmail.com> Hey Manfred, and anyone else who checked out the Montenegro article... Thanks very much for linking. I enjoyed reading the article, and just as I found myself saying, "wow, how refreshing to read real biofuels information instead of cliches and confused facts" I stumbled upon Montenegro's errors. What is with this perpetuation of misinformation about biodiesel emissions!?!?! "On the downside, all diesel engines -- whether fueled by conventional diesel or biodiesel -- still spew more toxic soot and smog-forming pollutants than gasoline engines..." Also, the major source Montenegro cited, the paper from researchers at University of Minnesota and St. Olaf College's Biology Dept, was problematic. (I purchased the full-text of the article.) http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/short/103/30/11206 They are proposing "the entire American crop of corn and soybean be converted for biodiesel" feedstock. If this weren't so misleading, it would be laughable. Let's be realistic. Nobody in agriculture is proposing this. In the near term, the greatest growth in biodiesel is going to come from NEW oilseed crops. This will be expanded acreage of soybeans, and necessarily some new acreage of canola. (In the long term, I hope we'll be looking at economical, commercial scale use of new feedstock sources, like algae-oil, trap-grease, etc.) The thing that so many writers seem to be missing is that new acreage of canola will have little impact on food production. Here in North Carolina it can be integrated directly into farmers crop rotations of soy, wheat, corn: Canola replaces the wheat. Soy and corn are not impacted. The other thing that many writers are missing is that with expanded production of oilseeds (both soy and canola), we will likely get an over-supply of the protein associated with these crops. After growing the oilseed, extracting the oil for biodiesel, you're left with protein in the spent seedcake, which is good for animal feed. A glut of animal feed will be a boon to our factory-farmed beef, chicken, and pork industries. This is a potential problem in itself, but it's certainly not a "harmful impact to food supplies." Barring perverse or slapdash government incentives, I do not foresee a "food-versus-fuel" dilemma. Anyway, I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I'm intending to write to both Montenegro and the "researchers," so these thoughts are a rough draft for that. I welcome any suggestions as to how to boost the arguments. Thanks for reading. John -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:45:46 -0500 From: Manfred Stanfield To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] The numbers behind ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel in the U.S. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205104543.06212a78@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20061205104135.061ca578@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 I found this article informative. To see the full article, go to: http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/12/04/montenegro/ The Big Three The numbers behind ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel in the U.S. By Maywa Montenegro 04 Dec 2006 America devours oil like no other country in the world. Representing 5 percent of the global population, the country consumes fully a quarter of the world's oil. Every year, to move ourselves and our goods around, we burn 140 billion gallons of gasoline and 40 billion gallons of diesel -- enough to propel the average U.S. car around the world 1.6 billion times. But rising prices, climate change, and seemingly endless crises in the Middle East have sparked a reckoning. While there is plenty of disagreement about how best to end what President Bush has called our "addiction to oil," a rough consensus has formed in support of biofuel as an alternative to crude oil. But biofuel -- energy gained from plant or animal matter -- is a broad category. The term lumps together a number of energy sources that are, in fact, quite different, from turkey innards to corn stalks. (Mmm, sounds like Thanksgiving dinner.) So far, three fuels have emerged to lead the U.S. biofuels pack, whether in practice or in our collective imagination: corn ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel. From michael.chrestensen at biogenidec.com Wed Dec 6 16:00:27 2006 From: michael.chrestensen at biogenidec.com (Michael Chrestensen) Date: Wed Dec 6 11:52:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Mike C is off-site training, will return Monday 12/07 Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 12/05/2006 and will not return until 12/07/2006. For AE Issues see Tammy Burnett, Sean Stonham, or Anita Kretchman For PC questions contact Kyle Mikulis or Therese Danskin For mail issues contact Lucretia Chapman From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Dec 7 08:46:37 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Dec 7 04:36:40 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Pacific Biodiesel's 10th plant opens Message-ID: <1AAC97CE-FB84-4B49-A7FA-A6314F77C608@blast.com> Dec 05, 2006 - Pacific Business News Maui-based Pacific Biodiesel's 10th biodiesel plant opened today in Gonzales, Calif. The $1.3 million facility is about 50 miles south of Santa Cruz in Northern California. Pacific Biodiesel built the 10,000- square foot plant for California-based Energy Alternative Solutions Inc., one of several clients that have paid Pacific Biodiesel over the past decade to build biodiesel plants. Energy Alternative Solutions Inc. wants to have at least six more plants in California within the next five years, all of which Pacific Biodiesel is scheduled to build, according to Kelly King, who owns the company with her husband Bob. The Gonzales plant will eventually be able to pump about 3 million gallons of biodiesel per year. The fuel will be made from a combination of virgin vegetable oils and used cooking grease taken from local resources such as crops and restaurants. Related Link: http://www.frazierbarnes.com From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Dec 7 08:49:44 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Dec 7 04:39:50 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Houston Company Buys Austin Biofuels Message-ID: Dec 05, 2006 - Austin Business Journal Safe Renewables Corp. of Houston has acquired Austin Biofuels LLC for an undisclosed price. The purchase expands SRC's sales and marketing capacity in Texas. Both companies have worked together in the biodiesel sector in recent years. "This new venture is part of our broad initiative to extend SRC's reach in major markets, and to provide added outlets for SRC's growing biodiesel production output," says SRC CEO Keith Forman. Later this month, Austin Biofuels founders and principals Jeff Plowman, Kurt Lyell and Robby Plenge will join the Safe Renewables sales and marketing team. http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2006/12/04/daily4.html From john.bonitz at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 15:30:45 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu Dec 7 11:20:53 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: comparing exhausts of biodiesel and spark-ignition fuels? Message-ID: <84a57a420612071230v22cb14b1k57447476dccb30ed@mail.gmail.com> Hi Link, Thanks for asking a very compelling question. (Email attached, below.) At the moment I'm pressed for time and cannot answer directly or authoritatively. Also, I'm going to venture outside my expertise (into a contrast of spark-ignition and compression-ignition technologies): I hope others on the list will step-in. However, my general understanding is that biodiesel emissions are overwhelmingly and un-disputedly lower than petro-diesel in all regards (except NOX, which is debateable). + CO (carbon monoxide) 48% less than petrodiesel + SOX (acid-rain precursor) 100% less than petrodiesel + particulates ("soot") 47% less than petrodiesel + volatile organic compounds (VOCs or "smog-forming stuff") 67% less than petrodiesel (Source: NBB factsheet: http://www.biofuels.coop/archive/B100_emissions.pdf) Also, biodiesel has lower VOCs because of very high oxygen content: Higher O2 content gives a better burn, thus lower unburned emissions (i.e., VOCs). It is because of the very low VOCs alone that I believe biodiesel emissions to be preferable to those of either gasoline or ethanol. For these reasons the Montenegro quote is simply false, in my opinion. I should think a proper analysis would consider the engine technology, and fleet-legacy impacts: During the normal vehicle lifetime, spark ignition engines are quite likely to lapse into incomplete combustion, and still keep rolling down the road, which yields lots of VOCs. If your diesel loses so much compression that it is experiencing incomplete combustion, then you've got bigger problems than high tailpipe emissions. Probably your vehicle will not be spending many hours on the road. This is speculation on my part, so I'd be very interested to hear what others thought about your question. Thanks for asking, Link. John -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 12/6/06, Link Shumaker wrote: > John, > you disputed the folllowing quote: > > "On the downside, all diesel engines -- whether fueled by > conventional diesel or biodiesel -- still spew more toxic soot and > smog-forming pollutants than gasoline engines..." > > Are you sure this in NOT true? I want to know because I will be choosing > between a diesel and gasoline vehicle soon. I've seen the numbers for EtOH > vs Gas and biodiesel vs petro-diesel, but not between EtOH/biodiesel and > Gas/biodiesel. Do you have the numbers for lb-pollutant/gallon fuel for > biodiesel, diesel, EtOH and gasoline? > > Otherwise I think you have valid points about the article. > > Thanks > Link > From shiftlink at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 18:19:07 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Thu Dec 7 14:09:12 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Smoke? Message-ID: <4c758e6d0612071519r67b21696l69979e287686254f@mail.gmail.com> Am I correct in thinking that B100 would emit less smoke under performance conditions than petro diesel would? From kegel at fdt.net Fri Dec 8 00:33:11 2006 From: kegel at fdt.net (Harald W. Kegelmann) Date: Thu Dec 7 15:23:31 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] why we consume so much oil/gasoline In-Reply-To: <20061207190925.10F87113BEF@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: This may be a bit off topic, but the very reason why the US consumes so much oil compared with other countries is the structure and design of cities in this country. Please take a look at this lecture on city planning to understand why we spend weeks just sitting in our car in traffic congestions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwd4Lq0Xvgc Harry From emilysmith at myway.com Fri Dec 8 10:52:23 2006 From: emilysmith at myway.com (emilysmith) Date: Fri Dec 8 06:42:23 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] isuzu pup Message-ID: <20061208155223.B8FCF7E49A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Is there anyone out there who's owned or had experience with an isuzu pup--specifically, running it on B100? I know someone who's interested in getting one but wants to know first what the general consensus is. Good investment or not? Finicky, high-maintenance vehicle? Or what are some common issues associated with it? Thanks, Emily _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From hogarth at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 12:00:00 2006 From: hogarth at gmail.com (Susan Hogarth) Date: Fri Dec 8 07:50:01 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Prince Charles to go B100 Message-ID: <3889aa560612080859q799eed0ej8267444e8a1cda6f@mail.gmail.com> >From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/07/AR2006120701009.html?nav=rss_artsandliving/entertainmentnews or http://tinyurl.com/y6e8tu "The prince is also having his Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles converted to run on 100 percent biodiesel and is converting to the use of electricity from sustainable sources at his London and country homes, the spokeswoman said. "Energy-efficient boilers that burn wood chips are being installed at his country homes at Highgrove in southern England _ where he farms organically _ and at Birkhall in Scotland." -- Susan Hogarth http://www.colliething.com From marc at theforestfoundation.org Fri Dec 8 14:00:52 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Fri Dec 8 10:00:02 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Flex Fuel Dodge Caravan Issues In-Reply-To: <20061208155223.B8FCF7E49A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: Hey All, We just realized our 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan was the first flex fuel van in the country and have for the last two months been running E85. We have noticed the acceleration improve, but mileage drop slightly, cold mornings it's grumpy, requiring several turns and pedal stomping. Interestingly, after running 100 gallons or so, the check engine light came on. We took it to the dealer and they did a full diagnostic. Nothing was found wrong but the code came back with a lean fuel mixture. When I told him our Ethanol use he said that would explain it. He said the chip on early models was probably not programmed correctly, and the light was likely to come on again. I asked if running regular unleaded through it would change it back and he said probably. So, next step, I am going to run E85 again through it and get the light to come on and see if switching back turns it off. FYI Marc From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 15:53:44 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Fri Dec 8 11:28:07 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: comparing exhausts of biodiesel and spark-ignition fuels? In-Reply-To: <84a57a420612071230v22cb14b1k57447476dccb30ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420612071230v22cb14b1k57447476dccb30ed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4579D0D8.3010101@gmail.com> Link -- I asked the same questions a while back. John is correct in how biodiesel compares with regular petrodiesel in emissions. It was much harder to locate direct comparisons of diesel and gasoline engines. I think this was because diesel and gasoline engines have always had different emissions limits set for them (and possibly different standards for how the emissions were measured). I did find one good comparison study: http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/deer_2002/session5/2002_deer_ahlvik.pdf This is a PDF of a slide show, so it will take a bit of time to load.. All the abreviations can be a little confusing, and one wishes for the text of the talk that went with the slide presentation. If the graphs start to make you crazy, just scroll to slides 41 & 42, for the conclusions. The take-home message I got was that: * for the models compared diesel emissions seem about as good as those of gasoline emissions except for NOx and Particulate Matter (PM). * with PM filters, diesel emissions can be better than those of gasoline engines w/respect to PM. * NOx remains the big problem with diesel. Now, this study was done back in 2002, so I think a new take-home message is that diesel emissions really depend on the era of car you are talking about: * Older diesels (indirect injection, produced up thru the mid-90's) are pretty dirty. Even running B100 in my '92 Jetta, I get a fair amount of PM coming out of the tail pipe; the back of the car is sooty. * Direct injection (TDI) models that appeared in the later 90's are cleaner and more efficient. * Add a PM filter to a TDI and your emission are comparable to those of gasoline models except for NOx (I am not sure what models/years of cars in the US had PM filters). * Get a 2007 or later model, and the emissions will be comparable to those of gasoline engines in all respects as required by new EPA regs. Using biodiesel improves the emissions of all eras of diesel cars, but older diesels (pre-1998?) will still produce more PM and NOx than comparable gasoline models. -- Mark John Bonitz wrote: > Hi Link, > > Thanks for asking a very compelling question. (Email attached, below.) > > At the moment I'm pressed for time and cannot answer directly or > authoritatively. Also, I'm going to venture outside my expertise > (into a contrast of spark-ignition and compression-ignition > technologies): I hope others on the list will step-in. > > However, my general understanding is that biodiesel emissions are > overwhelmingly and un-disputedly lower than petro-diesel in all > regards (except NOX, which is debateable). > > + CO (carbon monoxide) 48% less than petrodiesel > + SOX (acid-rain precursor) 100% less than petrodiesel > + particulates ("soot") 47% less than petrodiesel > + volatile organic compounds (VOCs or "smog-forming stuff") 67% less > than petrodiesel > (Source: NBB factsheet: > http://www.biofuels.coop/archive/B100_emissions.pdf) > > Also, biodiesel has lower VOCs because of very high oxygen content: > Higher O2 content gives a better burn, thus lower unburned emissions > (i.e., VOCs). It is because of the very low VOCs alone that I believe > biodiesel emissions to be preferable to those of either gasoline or > ethanol. > > For these reasons the Montenegro quote is simply false, in my opinion. > > I should think a proper analysis would consider the engine technology, > and fleet-legacy impacts: During the normal vehicle lifetime, spark > ignition engines are quite likely to lapse into incomplete combustion, > and still keep rolling down the road, which yields lots of VOCs. > > If your diesel loses so much compression that it is experiencing > incomplete combustion, then you've got bigger problems than high > tailpipe emissions. Probably your vehicle will not be spending many > hours on the road. > > This is speculation on my part, so I'd be very interested to hear what > others thought about your question. > > Thanks for asking, Link. > > John > From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 22:54:38 2006 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Fri Dec 8 18:42:04 2006 Subject: FW: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: comparing exhausts of biodiesel and spark-ignition fuels? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <457A337E.9010700@gmail.com> Pete -- I did a little more digging online. Apparently, sulfur interferes with the functioning of most diesel PM filtersl. Ultra low sulfur diesel fuel has only been required in the US starting this fall, so I would not expect pre-2007 model year diesels to have filters. The EPA is encouraging the retrofitting of fleet vehicles such as school buses with filters. However, the cost of retrofitting a bus with a PM filter is $5-10K. I would expect that your Beetle could be fitted with the PM filter used on some European VW's, but I have no clue what it would cost. But I bet it won't be cheap. -- Mark schuby wrote: >Mark, > >One of my pet peeves is the almost total lack of filtration for motor >vehicle exhaust. We have a 2000 New Beetle, TDI. Any idea of whether a PM >filter is available for this vehicle, or who would know? The arrogance >reflected in discharging vehicle exhaust that you cannot emit into the >passenger cabin simply astounds me - yet few seemed troubled by this, >certainly no automotive engineers! > >Thanks for the post! > >Pete > >-----Original Message----- >[snip] >* Add a PM filter to a TDI and your emission are comparable to those of >gasoline models except for NOx (I am not sure what models/years of cars in >the US had PM filters). >[snip] > > > > From wooster at coastalnet.com Sun Dec 10 22:21:27 2006 From: wooster at coastalnet.com (wooster@coastalnet.com) Date: Sun Dec 10 18:11:21 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Oil supply Message-ID: <19746687.1165807287339.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have built a appleseed processor and have been having trouble finding a restaurant that wants to give me their oil. I live in the Nashville NC area. I spoke to the manager of the local Bojangles who seemed receptive, but said that I would have to go to the corporate office for approval. Does anyone on this list serv have any experience dealing with Bojanges or have any suggestions re securing a supply of oil? thanks Ben From taterpatch at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 10:11:47 2006 From: taterpatch at gmail.com (Randall Hayes) Date: Mon Dec 11 06:01:48 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] engineering ethanol Message-ID: <63311b250612110711k5ca8e4aao5f37b54d53a9fd28@mail.gmail.com> http://www.scidev.net/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=printarticle&itemid=3271&language=1 Novel yeast could boost biofuel production Niagia Santuah 8 December 2006 Source: SciDev.Net Scientists have created a new strain of yeast that radically speeds up the production of ethanol, the biofuel that can be combined with petrol or diesel to make 'gasohol' ? a fuel far less polluting than conventional ones. The strain produced 50 per cent more ethanol over 21 hours than normal yeast, say the team, who publish their research today (8 December) in Science. Ethanol is made by adding yeast to plant material such as maize, which ferments it. But production is problematic, in part because ethanol is highly toxic to the yeast used for fermentation. The scientists used a new 'top-down' technique to boost ethanol tolerance, in which they changed one part of the yeast copying mechanism so that multiple genes necessary to achieve ethanol and glucose tolerance were simultaneously altered. Hal Alper, who led the team, said that because so many genes are involved, engineering high ethanol tolerance via the traditional method of targeting individual genes would have been impossible. The researchers suggest that using this technique on yeast used for industry could dramatically boost large-scale ethanol production. Joseph Essandoh Yeddu, a physicist at the Ghana Energy Commission that advises the government on renewable energy, welcomed the results but said their impact on industry would be limited. Identifying sustainable sources to make ethanol, so that its production does not threaten food supplies, is currently more crucial than increasing the efficiency and speed of ethanol production, he told SciDev.Net. Link to full article in Science Reference: Science 314, 5805 (2006) Related SciDev.Net articles: Brazil and India join Senegal for biofuel production India's biofuel plans hit roadblock Biofuel sorghum to be tested in Philippine fields Research is needed to make biofuels sustainable Photo Credit: Wikipedia Dossiers: Agri-biotech SciDev.Net: http://www.scidev.net/News/index.cfm?fuseaction=readNews&itemid=3271&language=1 print From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 11:21:53 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Mon Dec 11 06:56:02 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Oil supply In-Reply-To: <19746687.1165807287339.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19746687.1165807287339.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <457D85A1.3080606@gmail.com> I haven't had much experience sourcing out oil, but on one of the many biodiesel websites that I visited, the recommendation is to NOT approach the store manager. Instead, knock on the back door and talk with the guys who are responsible for putting the waste oil out for collection by their oil collection company. Ask if they will give you oil or give permission to siphon some from the oil dumpster behind the store. I have no idea if this really works, but that particular biodieseler claims that it works for him. -- Mark wooster@coastalnet.com wrote: >I have built a appleseed processor and have been having trouble finding a restaurant that wants to give me their oil. I live in the Nashville NC area. I spoke to the manager of the local Bojangles who seemed receptive, but said that I would have to go to the corporate office for approval. Does anyone on this list serv have any experience dealing with Bojanges or have any suggestions re securing a supply of oil? > >thanks >Ben >_______________________________________________ > > From shiftlink at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 11:10:41 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Mon Dec 11 07:00:31 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Oil supply In-Reply-To: <457D85A1.3080606@gmail.com> References: <19746687.1165807287339.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <457D85A1.3080606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c758e6d0612110810m5acc2a50p9c16c9e587f44577@mail.gmail.com> What about a locally owned establishment? Probably easier to work with, I hear that the WVO is a liability to them anyway, most of the time they will be happy to be rid of it. On 12/11/06, Mark J. Ambrose wrote: > I haven't had much experience sourcing out oil, but on one of the many > biodiesel websites that I visited, the recommendation is to NOT approach > the store manager. Instead, knock on the back door and talk with the > guys who are responsible for putting the waste oil out for collection by > their oil collection company. Ask if they will give you oil or give > permission to siphon some from the oil dumpster behind the store. I > have no idea if this really works, but that particular biodieseler > claims that it works for him. > > -- Mark > > wooster@coastalnet.com wrote: > > >I have built a appleseed processor and have been having trouble finding a restaurant that wants to give me their oil. I live in the Nashville NC area. I spoke to the manager of the local Bojangles who seemed receptive, but said that I would have to go to the corporate office for approval. Does anyone on this list serv have any experience dealing with Bojanges or have any suggestions re securing a supply of oil? > > > >thanks > >Ben > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com Mon Dec 11 11:14:44 2006 From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl) Date: Mon Dec 11 07:04:35 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Oil supply Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E4C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Cameron, Try small places, like the local Chinese take out. I have always had people willing to help me out. Good luck. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Cameron Conover Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:11 AM To: Mark J. Ambrose Cc: biofuels_interest_group; wooster@coastalnet.com Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Oil supply What about a locally owned establishment? Probably easier to work with, I hear that the WVO is a liability to them anyway, most of the time they will be happy to be rid of it. On 12/11/06, Mark J. Ambrose wrote: > I haven't had much experience sourcing out oil, but on one of the many > biodiesel websites that I visited, the recommendation is to NOT approach > the store manager. Instead, knock on the back door and talk with the > guys who are responsible for putting the waste oil out for collection by > their oil collection company. Ask if they will give you oil or give > permission to siphon some from the oil dumpster behind the store. I > have no idea if this really works, but that particular biodieseler > claims that it works for him. > > -- Mark > > wooster@coastalnet.com wrote: > > >I have built a appleseed processor and have been having trouble finding a restaurant that wants to give me their oil. I live in the Nashville NC area. I spoke to the manager of the local Bojangles who seemed receptive, but said that I would have to go to the corporate office for approval. Does anyone on this list serv have any experience dealing with Bojanges or have any suggestions re securing a supply of oil? > > > >thanks > >Ben > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From markj.ambrose at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 13:45:23 2006 From: markj.ambrose at gmail.com (Mark J. Ambrose) Date: Mon Dec 11 09:19:27 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD In-Reply-To: <3889aa560612080859q799eed0ej8267444e8a1cda6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3889aa560612080859q799eed0ej8267444e8a1cda6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <457DA743.8000007@gmail.com> Does anyone know if Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel is available in the Triangle yet? I thought that EPA regulations required ULSD to be the norm everywhere by this past October. However, everywhere that I have purchased petrodiesel in the Triangle, there is a sticker on the pump saying that the fuel is Low Sulfur Diesel, not for use with model year 2007 or later vehicles. When I can't get biodiesel, I want to use ULSD whenever possible. -- Mark From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com Mon Dec 11 13:36:56 2006 From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl) Date: Mon Dec 11 09:26:52 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E53@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> I got a few gals. At a station in S. Raleigh a few days ago, and that is what the sticker said. " Not for use with model year 2007 or later vehicles " Not sure if it is LSD or ULSD. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Ambrose Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:45 PM To: BIG Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD Does anyone know if Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel is available in the Triangle yet? I thought that EPA regulations required ULSD to be the norm everywhere by this past October. However, everywhere that I have purchased petrodiesel in the Triangle, there is a sticker on the pump saying that the fuel is Low Sulfur Diesel, not for use with model year 2007 or later vehicles. When I can't get biodiesel, I want to use ULSD whenever possible. -- Mark _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From cr at magicienne.net Mon Dec 11 14:11:25 2006 From: cr at magicienne.net (cr) Date: Mon Dec 11 12:43:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD In-Reply-To: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E53@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Message-ID: <001d01c71d58$3f6723c0$640fa8c0@SONYVAIO> All on-road fuel sold now has to be ULSD. The stations have just not changed the labels on their pumps. Because the fine for accidentally selling fuel that does not meet ULSD standards can be $3,000/day, many stations are waiting to insure that all the old LSD in their tanks is diluted with a few tanks of ULSD. There is no legal requirement to label ULSD as ULSD, but there is a requirement not to label LSD as ULSD, even by accident. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Ganter, Cheryl Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:37 PM To: Mark J. Ambrose; BIG Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD I got a few gals. At a station in S. Raleigh a few days ago, and that is what the sticker said. " Not for use with model year 2007 or later vehicles " Not sure if it is LSD or ULSD. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Ambrose Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:45 PM To: BIG Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD Does anyone know if Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel is available in the Triangle yet? I thought that EPA regulations required ULSD to be the norm everywhere by this past October. However, everywhere that I have purchased petrodiesel in the Triangle, there is a sticker on the pump saying that the fuel is Low Sulfur Diesel, not for use with model year 2007 or later vehicles. When I can't get biodiesel, I want to use ULSD whenever possible. -- Mark _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Dec 11 16:54:20 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Dec 11 12:44:09 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Recently released NREL study concludes that B20 has no net effect on NOx emissions References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: "Blue Ridge Clean Fuels" > Date: December 11, 2006 3:21:00 PM EST > To: "VA Biofuels Forum list" > Subject: Recently released NREL study concludes that B20 has no net > effect on NOx emissions > Reply-To: brcfi@earthlink.net > > Effects of Biodiesel Blends on Vehicle Emissions > NREL/MP 540-40554 October 2006 > > "Based on the studies reviewed and new data reported here, there > does not > appear to be a discrepancy between engine and chassis testing > studies for > the effect of B20 on NOx emissions. Individual engines may show NOx > increasing or decreasing, but on average there appears to be no net > effect, > or at most a very small effect on the order of ?0.5%. The small > apparent > increase in NOx reported for engine-testing results in EPA?s 2002 > review > occurred because the dataset was not adequately representative of > on-highway > engines. In particular, nearly half of the NOx observations > included in the > review were > for engines from a single manufacturer (DDC). Newer engine and chassis > studies, which on average show no B20 effect on NOx, are not > representative > samples either. However, considering all of the data available, we > conclude > that B20 has no net impact on NOx". > > > http://www.nrel.gov/vehiclesandfuels/npbf/pdfs/40554.pdf > From carolinabiofuels at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 19:16:40 2006 From: carolinabiofuels at gmail.com (Harry John Albert) Date: Mon Dec 11 15:06:24 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD In-Reply-To: <001d01c71d58$3f6723c0$640fa8c0@SONYVAIO> References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E53@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> <001d01c71d58$3f6723c0$640fa8c0@SONYVAIO> Message-ID: My 1984 turbdiesel jetta will not start with ULSD in the lines. The viscosity of the fuel does not agree with my IP apparently. The car will start with vegetable oil in the lines, or biodiesel, but not ULSD. Makes my choises easy, and I hope more people have this problem with ULSD, (those of us driving older diesels) So it will force them use Biodiesel. On 12/11/06, cr wrote: > All on-road fuel sold now has to be ULSD. The stations have just not > changed the labels on their pumps. Because the fine for accidentally > selling fuel that does not meet ULSD standards can be $3,000/day, many > stations are waiting to insure that all the old LSD in their tanks is > diluted with a few tanks of ULSD. There is no legal requirement to label > ULSD as ULSD, but there is a requirement not to label LSD as ULSD, even by > accident. > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Ganter, > Cheryl > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:37 PM > To: Mark J. Ambrose; BIG > Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD > > > > I got a few gals. At a station in S. Raleigh a few days ago, and that is > what the sticker said. > " Not for use with model year 2007 or later vehicles " > Not sure if it is LSD or ULSD. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. > Ambrose > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:45 PM > To: BIG > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD > > > Does anyone know if Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel is available in the Triangle > > yet? I thought that EPA regulations required ULSD to be the norm > everywhere by this past October. However, everywhere that I have > purchased petrodiesel in the Triangle, there is a sticker on the pump > saying that the fuel is Low Sulfur Diesel, not for use with model year > 2007 or later vehicles. When I can't get biodiesel, I want to use ULSD > whenever possible. > > -- Mark > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From gbrookha at mindspring.com Mon Dec 11 20:24:07 2006 From: gbrookha at mindspring.com (Gary Brookhart) Date: Mon Dec 11 16:15:26 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel use in modern diesel engines Message-ID: If I my reopen a thread from last month, I have found the edge of the envelope. After reading the entries on this thread last month, I decided to deviate from my plan and see how far into the winter I could go on B100. Friday morning (22 F) I was unable to start my '06 Jetta TDI. On previous mornings with the dashboard thermometer showing as low as 27 F, the car started without objection. However, at 22 degrees the starter cranked valiantly but with no signs of ignition. After a couple of tries, I bailed out to my wife's car (she was away visiting the new granddaughter) to go to work. Fortunately, the sunshine and balmy 50 degree temperature on Saturday melted the gelled fuel. I also added about 5 gal of petro diesel to the tank. After starting the car on Saturday afternoon, I took a 20 mile drive to pull some of the mixed fuel into the fuel line and filter. Then I topped it off with B20 at Cruizers. Since then no problems. After this experience, I'm going back to my original plan of keeping 20 to 50% petro in the tank through the winter. Gary Brookhart From hogarth at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 01:54:35 2006 From: hogarth at gmail.com (Susan Hogarth) Date: Mon Dec 11 21:44:19 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD In-Reply-To: References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E53@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> <001d01c71d58$3f6723c0$640fa8c0@SONYVAIO> Message-ID: <3889aa560612112254y24603161k1beb0bbbcad6b32b@mail.gmail.com> On 12/11/06, Harry John Albert wrote: > My 1984 turbdiesel jetta will not start with ULSD in the lines. The > viscosity of the fuel does not agree with my IP apparently. The car > will start with vegetable oil in the lines, or biodiesel, but not > ULSD. Makes my choises easy, and I hope more people have this problem > with ULSD, (those of us driving older diesels) So it will force them > use Biodiesel. Some may choose to go biodiesel. Others may choose to get a new car :-/ On the upsaide, perhaps there will be a new flush of older diesels available for BD enthusiasts. -- Susan Hogarth http://www.colliething.com From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com Tue Dec 12 07:59:08 2006 From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl) Date: Tue Dec 12 03:48:52 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E5E@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> This question may have been answered already, but what impact does ULSD have on newer and older diesel engines? The argument was that biodiesel compensates for the lack of lubricity with ULSD. Would long-term use of ULSD alone cause engine wear? Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of cr Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:11 PM To: Ganter, Cheryl; 'Mark J. Ambrose'; 'BIG' Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD All on-road fuel sold now has to be ULSD. The stations have just not changed the labels on their pumps. Because the fine for accidentally selling fuel that does not meet ULSD standards can be $3,000/day, many stations are waiting to insure that all the old LSD in their tanks is diluted with a few tanks of ULSD. There is no legal requirement to label ULSD as ULSD, but there is a requirement not to label LSD as ULSD, even by accident. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Ganter, Cheryl Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:37 PM To: Mark J. Ambrose; BIG Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD I got a few gals. At a station in S. Raleigh a few days ago, and that is what the sticker said. " Not for use with model year 2007 or later vehicles " Not sure if it is LSD or ULSD. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Ambrose Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:45 PM To: BIG Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD Does anyone know if Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel is available in the Triangle yet? I thought that EPA regulations required ULSD to be the norm everywhere by this past October. However, everywhere that I have purchased petrodiesel in the Triangle, there is a sticker on the pump saying that the fuel is Low Sulfur Diesel, not for use with model year 2007 or later vehicles. When I can't get biodiesel, I want to use ULSD whenever possible. -- Mark _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From sanschagrins at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 08:31:14 2006 From: sanschagrins at gmail.com (Andrew Simon) Date: Tue Dec 12 04:27:59 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Oil supply In-Reply-To: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E4C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E4C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Message-ID: Ben and everyone, My experience with gathering WVO, in NC, in Texas, in Vermont is all pretty much the same. Stay away from chain restaurants entirely. The best oil is, as Cheryl said, at small local places and usually the cleanest oil is at Asian restaurants. I try to cruise the oil dumpster first to see what condition the oil is in. Usually, it makes sense to talk to the folks in front but I have been known to stick my head in the kitchen and ask first. Let's use our WVO gathering as an opportunity for community education and community organizing. People at restaurants are often curious about biodiesel or running on SVO. When I was driving around in a converted schoolbus running on SVO, I would often invite restaurant owners or kitchen workers out to see the bus, the engine, the veggie oil tanks. The reaction was usually bedazzlement or excitement and it was always a good discussion. Part of our job is to teach the restaurants what a valuable resource they have so they take better care of it ( i.e. keep the top on the oil dumpster so the rain doesn't get in). Also, if it hasn't happened already, now might be the time to start local WVO collection coops. The best way to gather oil is to build relationships with restaurants in your community and be responsible about picking up the oil when you say you will. Then someone might set up a filtering operation in their garage so Ben or someone else can pick it up to run it through his new Appleseed processor. A small biodiesel coop is born and another knot in the loose macrame web of the alternative culture is tied. Thanks for bringing this up, Ben! Andy On 12/11/06, Ganter, Cheryl wrote: > Cameron, > > Try small places, like the local Chinese take out. I have always had > people willing to > help me out. > Good luck. > > Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of > Cameron Conover > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:11 AM > To: Mark J. Ambrose > Cc: biofuels_interest_group; wooster@coastalnet.com > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Oil supply > > > What about a locally owned establishment? Probably easier to work > with, I hear that the WVO is a liability to them anyway, most of the > time they will be happy to be rid of it. > > > On 12/11/06, Mark J. Ambrose wrote: > > I haven't had much experience sourcing out oil, but on one of the many > > biodiesel websites that I visited, the recommendation is to NOT > approach > > the store manager. Instead, knock on the back door and talk with the > > guys who are responsible for putting the waste oil out for collection > by > > their oil collection company. Ask if they will give you oil or give > > permission to siphon some from the oil dumpster behind the store. I > > have no idea if this really works, but that particular biodieseler > > claims that it works for him. > > > > -- Mark > > > > wooster@coastalnet.com wrote: > > > > >I have built a appleseed processor and have been having trouble > finding a restaurant that wants to give me their oil. I live in the > Nashville NC area. I spoke to the manager of the local Bojangles who > seemed receptive, but said that I would have to go to the corporate > office for approval. Does anyone on this list serv have any experience > dealing with Bojanges or have any suggestions re securing a supply of > oil? > > > > > >thanks > > >Ben > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 08:56:23 2006 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Tue Dec 12 04:43:48 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD In-Reply-To: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E5E@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E5E@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Message-ID: <457EB507.2030608@gmail.com> ULSD has a lubricity additive to compensate for the lack of sulfur. B2 would probably be a more cost-effective way to restore lubricity, but I haven't heard of any major oil company using it to improve lubricity. -- Mark Ganter, Cheryl wrote: >This question may have been answered already, but what impact does ULSD >have on newer and older diesel engines? >The argument was that biodiesel compensates for the lack of lubricity >with ULSD. Would long-term use of ULSD >alone cause engine wear? > >Cheryl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net >[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of cr >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:11 PM >To: Ganter, Cheryl; 'Mark J. Ambrose'; 'BIG' >Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD > > >All on-road fuel sold now has to be ULSD. The stations have just not >changed the labels on their pumps. Because the fine for accidentally >selling fuel that does not meet ULSD standards can be $3,000/day, many >stations are waiting to insure that all the old LSD in their tanks is >diluted with a few tanks of ULSD. There is no legal requirement to >label >ULSD as ULSD, but there is a requirement not to label LSD as ULSD, even >by >accident. > >-----Original Message----- >From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net >[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of >Ganter, >Cheryl >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:37 PM >To: Mark J. Ambrose; BIG >Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD > > > >I got a few gals. At a station in S. Raleigh a few days ago, and that is >what the sticker said. >" Not for use with model year 2007 or later vehicles " >Not sure if it is LSD or ULSD. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net >[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of >Mark J. >Ambrose >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:45 PM >To: BIG >Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ULSD > > >Does anyone know if Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel is available in the Triangle > >yet? I thought that EPA regulations required ULSD to be the norm >everywhere by this past October. However, everywhere that I have >purchased petrodiesel in the Triangle, there is a sticker on the pump >saying that the fuel is Low Sulfur Diesel, not for use with model year >2007 or later vehicles. When I can't get biodiesel, I want to use ULSD >whenever possible. > >-- Mark >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >_______________________________________________ > > From neilnbeth at alltel.net Tue Dec 12 10:54:38 2006 From: neilnbeth at alltel.net (neil edens) Date: Tue Dec 12 06:44:29 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FREE 55 Gal steel drum used for wash tank References: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E4C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Message-ID: <000a01c71e05$d4232010$01fea8c0@nandb> I've scaled up to a larger wash tank and do not need my 55 gal steel drum. The top is cut out and its ready for your plumbing to wash fuel with. Just come and get it. I need the space back in my garage!! I'm about 14 miles South of Sanford just off of Hwy 87. Neil 919 770 7712 From biodiesel at yovo.info Wed Dec 13 09:24:56 2006 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Wed Dec 13 05:14:39 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Pimentel interview Message-ID: <45800D38.2050401@yovo.info> Tom Philpott questions biofuels skeptic extraordinaire David Pimentel about why crop-based energy won't work. http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/45395/ Interesting interview, but Pimentel does need to get out a bit more. "Pimentel: Conserve! One word. And no one talks about it, including the environmentalists." Is he just yanking our chains??!! No one talks about conservation?? He's joking, right? And this exchange: "Philpott: So if we converted 100 percent of a year's worth of solar energy stored in plant matter to fuel, we'd only supply half of our current energy consumption. What's that telling us? "Pimentel: It's telling us we're using too goddamn much fossil energy! And another thing it tells us is that you're not going to be self-sufficient, or even produce half of our energy from biomass in the U.S., if we want to eat." Yeah - you don't need a PH.D. to figure out we're using too much fossil fuel. Interestingly, Pimentel is very pro-organic: "Pimentel: I don't want to say that organic can supply all the food in the world, but it can be much more sustainable than conventional ag and just as productive." What annoys me about Pimentel, is his focus on the problems. He finds that the numbers don't seem to work, so he discounts a solution. Grease be with you! Jurgen -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jurgen Henn 2002 Jetta TDI 40/50 MPG on biodiesel http://words.yovo.info/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From leif at biofuels.coop Wed Dec 13 10:58:24 2006 From: leif at biofuels.coop (Leif Forer) Date: Wed Dec 13 06:48:20 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Perdue: 'Green is gold in N.C.' References: <8D15541F2E16C84B8BE05C60FF5F03899D4D06@exchange.sys.p2pays.org> Message-ID: From today's N&O Lisa Hoppenjans, Staff Writer CHAPEL HILL - Lt. Gov. Beverly Perdue wants to grow North Carolina's economy by going green. Perdue announced plans Tuesday for legislation to provide tax credits and incentives for businesses focused on alternative, sustainable energy sources, such as biodiesel producers, or other businesses developing environmentally friendly technology. "Going green is the right thing to do for economic development," Perdue told a crowd gathered at a reception for Chapel Hill's planned Greenbridge condominium development, which will use environmentally friendly building materials and incorporate energy efficient design. "Green is gold in North Carolina," she said. Perdue's initiative, dubbed the N.C. Green Act, would set aside at least $15 million for a fund to lure "green" companies to locate or expand in the state. It also calls for putting part of the state's investment portfolio, at least $50 million to $100 million, under managers with success in investing in green companies. Perdue wants to screen future investments as well to direct money to companies with environmentally-friendly practices. North Carolina's more than $70 billion pension fund, overseen by State Treasurer Richard Moore's department, is already part of Ceres, an organization of environmental groups and major investors that encourages companies to adopt sustainable practices. Sara Lang, the treasury department's communications director, said the fund also has made $150 million in commitments to an investment firm that purchases, cleans up and resells polluted properties, and is also investing in sustainable energy companies. Perdue and Moore are viewed as likely contenders for the Democratic nomination for governor in 2008, though neither has formally declared a campaign. "I think it's way too early to have an opinion, except to say that these are things that the treasurer has been doing with our investments for years," Lang said. "But one of the things we have to be careful with is that these investments must also be good business decisions." Perdue's plan also calls for a "go-green" strategy for state agencies, setting goals for efficiency, including increasing the number of hybrid cars in the state's motor fleet. The state's fleet of 8,500 vehicles includes just 108 hybrids, but more than 5,500 flex-fuel vehicles, which run on an alternative fuel mixture of ethanol and gasoline. Tim Toben, a partner in the Greenbridge development, said he's encouraged by efforts to embrace a "green economy." "Many of us who have wanted to do these kinds of things for several years haven't seen the sort of regulatory environment or business environment to make these things happen," he said. "It can be good business to be environmentally sound, and that's the intersection that needed regulatory and government support, and we're starting to see that now." From mattr at biofuels.coop Wed Dec 13 14:42:26 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Wed Dec 13 10:31:46 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Interactive Mapping of Alternative Fuel Stations across the US- Update References: <200612131723.kBDHN2Ux015825@mail.mapmuseinc.com> Message-ID: <7508FDAA-B7CB-4D2C-A5FD-F9AC82670A85@biofuels.coop> Begin forwarded message: > From: geo@mail.mapmuseinc.com > Date: December 13, 2006 12:23:02 PM EST > To: mattr@biofuels.coop > Subject: Interactive Mapping of Alternative Fuel Stations across > the US- Update > Reply-To: geo@mail.mapmuseinc.com > > > Hi, > > About 6 months ago, Mapmuse.com began a project- the interactive > mapping of alternative fuel stations across the US. We initially > researched and populated these maps ourselves, with the idea in > mind that alternative fuel enthusiasts would subsequently add to, > and enhance, the information we provided. We mapped each fuel > station, and provided space for a written description, photo, and > link to a website. We have maps for the following types of fuel > stations: > > 1. biodiesel > 2. compressed natural gas > 3. electric fueling > 4. ethanol 85 > 5. hydrogen fuel > 6. liquefied natural gas > 7. propane fuel > > Since this project was started, the public has made hundreds of > additions and enhancements to these maps. We now have one of the > most comprehensive databases of alternative fuel stations in the > US. If you were one of our contributors, we?d like to thank you for > your help! > > I?m writing today to ask that if you know of any alternative fuel > stations that have opened or closed in the last 6 months, that you > make those changes to the maps. Also, we encourage you to add any > alternative fuel stations that we are still missing. > > If you own or manage an alternative fuel station, you also may want > to consider our new option of a premium listing at $10/ year. This > listing has all of the features of the free listing, as well as an > enhanced map presence, a text link beneath the map, and more > photos. In addition, if you have an alternative fuel or ?green? > website, you can post a link in our Recommended Links section (also > $10/ year). You can read both of these options, and make changes, > through easy to use links on the site- if you have any problems, > see http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/mmFAQ.htm#A4 . > > The link to the Going Green Directory of all of the alternative > fuel stations maps is: > http://find.mapmuse.com/interest/category/Going_Green > > If you are not familiar with MapMuse.com, we are a highly > trafficked mapping website with an Alexa traffic rating of > approximately 17,000 in the world. MapMuse?s goal is to help > people find places related to their interests. MapMuse continues to > add new topics of interest each week. If you have a topic that you > would like to see mapped, you can suggest the interest on the > MapMuse site, and there is a good chance it will be addressed. > > Lastly, if you have a related blog, newsletter, or website, a link > or a mention would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Cindy Jett > Mapmuse.com > 1326 14th Street NW > Washington, DC 20005 > > If you wish to unsubscribe to this mailing list please click or > open the following link.http://mail.mapmuseinc.com/re1/ > emailUnsubscribe.php?id=a68901cf839be5f1988c6d902a4eb8ea Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From patjamie23 at isp.com Wed Dec 13 15:33:19 2006 From: patjamie23 at isp.com (patjamie23@isp.com) Date: Wed Dec 13 11:35:17 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 05 jetta Message-ID: <05427100ff5aa58c7461ccec28f8fe3c@isp.com> Hi all, I just purchased a TDI and would like to start using bio. I live in raleigh and was wondering if you all wouldn't mind sharing sources (piedmont vs. triangle biofuel as far as cost/reliability) and what I need to do filter/fuel lines wise once I start. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jamie From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Dec 13 18:11:17 2006 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Dec 13 14:00:52 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae Message-ID: <62F569E4-F28A-4481-AA49-7C68720E3BB2@blast.com> CSU and Solix Aim to Produce Bio-diesel from Algae Colorado State University has partnered with Solix Biofuels Inc. on a project aimed at using photo-bioreactors to produce bio-diesel from algae. Through photosynthesis, the microscopic algae use sunlight, water, carbon dioxide and other nutrients to produce lipids, a type of oil that can be extracted and made into biodiesel. The partners will produce massive quantities of algae and oil by tapping into carbon dioxide produced by industrial smokestacks. http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20061207/NEWS/61207005 From biodiesel at yovo.info Wed Dec 13 19:15:01 2006 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Wed Dec 13 15:04:41 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae In-Reply-To: <62F569E4-F28A-4481-AA49-7C68720E3BB2@blast.com> References: <62F569E4-F28A-4481-AA49-7C68720E3BB2@blast.com> Message-ID: <45809785.7000706@yovo.info> The algae technology is very cool, but probably 5-10 years out, at any serious scale. Here is a pretty good overview in Red Herring (never mind the dumb title of the story): http://tinyurl.com/ykr8u2 Cheers, Jurgen Rachel Burton wrote: > CSU and Solix Aim to Produce Bio-diesel from Algae > > Colorado State University has partnered with Solix Biofuels Inc. on a > project aimed at using photo-bioreactors to produce bio-diesel from algae. > > Through photosynthesis, the microscopic algae use sunlight, water, > carbon dioxide and other nutrients to produce lipids, a type of oil that > can be extracted and made into biodiesel. > > The partners will produce massive quantities of algae and oil by tapping > into carbon dioxide produced by industrial smokestacks. > > http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20061207/NEWS/61207005 > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From shiftlink at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 19:18:16 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Wed Dec 13 15:07:52 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae In-Reply-To: <45809785.7000706@yovo.info> References: <62F569E4-F28A-4481-AA49-7C68720E3BB2@blast.com> <45809785.7000706@yovo.info> Message-ID: <4c758e6d0612131618g22d8e8f2y54063ce8fd2819f9@mail.gmail.com> It seems like genious to use the CO2 from industrial smokestacks, What a nice solution! On 12/13/06, Jurgen Henn wrote: > The algae technology is very cool, but probably 5-10 years out, at any > serious scale. Here is a pretty good overview in Red Herring (never mind > the dumb title of the story): > http://tinyurl.com/ykr8u2 > > Cheers, > Jurgen > > Rachel Burton wrote: > > CSU and Solix Aim to Produce Bio-diesel from Algae > > > > Colorado State University has partnered with Solix Biofuels Inc. on a > > project aimed at using photo-bioreactors to produce bio-diesel from algae. > > > > Through photosynthesis, the microscopic algae use sunlight, water, > > carbon dioxide and other nutrients to produce lipids, a type of oil that > > can be extracted and made into biodiesel. > > > > The partners will produce massive quantities of algae and oil by tapping > > into carbon dioxide produced by industrial smokestacks. > > > > http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20061207/NEWS/61207005 > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From sanschagrins at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 20:53:37 2006 From: sanschagrins at gmail.com (Andrew Simon) Date: Wed Dec 13 16:43:15 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] EU tightens diesel emission standards Message-ID: The EU voted today to impose much stricter diesel emission standards as of September, 2009. Particle filters are on the way! http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/13/europe/EU_GEN_EU_Diesel_Emissions.php From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 10:49:08 2006 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Thu Dec 14 06:36:23 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] EU tightens diesel emission standards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45817274.2060105@gmail.com> And that MAY eventually mean more diesel choices in the US. If automakers have to design cars to meet strict EU standards, they will have something that is closer to meeting the new US EPA standards as well. Andrew Simon wrote: > The EU voted today to impose much stricter diesel emission standards > as of September, 2009. Particle filters are on the way! > > http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/13/europe/EU_GEN_EU_Diesel_Emissions.php > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 10:58:24 2006 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Thu Dec 14 06:46:12 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae In-Reply-To: <4c758e6d0612131618g22d8e8f2y54063ce8fd2819f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <62F569E4-F28A-4481-AA49-7C68720E3BB2@blast.com> <45809785.7000706@yovo.info> <4c758e6d0612131618g22d8e8f2y54063ce8fd2819f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458174A0.80708@gmail.com> The really cool thing about algae is that it potentially expands the options for locally grown fuel. There are lots of places (e.g. Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas) that get lots of sunshine but do not have climates suitable for efficient production of any known terrestrial oil crop (w/out extensive irrigation). But with a bioreactor it might be possible to use municiple waste water and enhanced CO2 from power plants to produce a significant amount of fuel locally and sustainably. Cameron Conover wrote: > It seems like genious to use the CO2 from industrial smokestacks, What > a nice solution! > > On 12/13/06, Jurgen Henn wrote: > >> The algae technology is very cool, but probably 5-10 years out, at any >> serious scale. Here is a pretty good overview in Red Herring (never mind >> the dumb title of the story): >> http://tinyurl.com/ykr8u2 >> >> Cheers, >> Jurgen >> >> Rachel Burton wrote: >> > CSU and Solix Aim to Produce Bio-diesel from Algae >> > >> > Colorado State University has partnered with Solix Biofuels Inc. on a >> > project aimed at using photo-bioreactors to produce bio-diesel from >> algae. >> > >> > Through photosynthesis, the microscopic algae use sunlight, water, >> > carbon dioxide and other nutrients to produce lipids, a type of oil >> that >> > can be extracted and made into biodiesel. >> > >> > The partners will produce massive quantities of algae and oil by >> tapping >> > into carbon dioxide produced by industrial smokestacks. >> > >> > http://www.greeleytrib.com/article/20061207/NEWS/61207005 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Thu Dec 14 13:08:16 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Thu Dec 14 08:58:15 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae and CO2 Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC37E9@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> > The partners will produce massive quantities of algae and oil by tapping into carbon dioxide produced by industrial smokestacks. Am I missing something here? This is not a green way of getting rid of smokestack CO2. Ok, this will generate more energy for a given amount of fossil fuel by once recycling it past some solar rays, but you are still moving ancient carbon from its sequestration in fossil fuel into the atmosphere. Also, there may be some way to practically sequester carbon from concentrated sources such as smokestacks. Is there any practical way to collect it from millions of tailpipes? As others have suggested, grow algae on hog farm waste. Pay farmers to end the lagoon system and make NC the Saudi Arabia of pig energy. Maybe later take over some peak-obsoleted oil pipelines and send it (and ours) out to Arizona desert seawater-backfilled algae ponds. No farmland usage conflict. We first skim a little energy off our food, then pass it on for fuel. Symon The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From shiftlink at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 13:25:21 2006 From: shiftlink at gmail.com (Cameron Conover) Date: Thu Dec 14 09:14:55 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae and CO2 In-Reply-To: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC37E9@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> References: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC37E9@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> Message-ID: <4c758e6d0612141025lf2cb76aq85d842c9d22be2bf@mail.gmail.com> On 12/14/06, Jim Symon wrote: > > > > The partners will produce massive quantities of algae and oil by > tapping into carbon dioxide produced by industrial smokestacks. > > Am I missing something here? This is not a green way of getting rid of > smokestack CO2. Ok, this will generate more energy for a given amount of > fossil fuel by once recycling it past some solar rays, but you are still > moving ancient carbon from its sequestration in fossil fuel into the > atmosphere. The idea that it is put to good use twice before it's lost to the atmosphere is appealing to me. The Practical truth is that big industry is not going to relinquish it's source for cheap energy without a fight, and if we can salvage some use out of their waste than we should. I like your thinking on the Hog waste too, the days of single solutions to our energy needs are long gone, we are going to have to use many many different resources to produce enough energy to sustain our lifestyles in a clean efficient manner. From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com Thu Dec 14 15:14:38 2006 From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl) Date: Thu Dec 14 11:04:15 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae and CO2 Message-ID: <8F00D186F7D47B4BAB1E0C9C11D134BC8F7E8C@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Ummm...last time I checked, plants ( algae ) took in CO2 and their transpiration yielded Oxygen. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. Something has to be done with the CO2. That isn't going to be eliminated any time soon. I do agree though, that something needs to be done to eliminate Hog waste lagoons. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Jim Symon Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:08 PM To: Biofuels Group (E-mail) Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae and CO2 > The partners will produce massive quantities of algae and oil by tapping into carbon dioxide produced by industrial smokestacks. Am I missing something here? This is not a green way of getting rid of smokestack CO2. Ok, this will generate more energy for a given amount of fossil fuel by once recycling it past some solar rays, but you are still moving ancient carbon from its sequestration in fossil fuel into the atmosphere. Also, there may be some way to practically sequester carbon from concentrated sources such as smokestacks. Is there any practical way to collect it from millions of tailpipes? As others have suggested, grow algae on hog farm waste. Pay farmers to end the lagoon system and make NC the Saudi Arabia of pig energy. Maybe later take over some peak-obsoleted oil pipelines and send it (and ours) out to Arizona desert seawater-backfilled algae ponds. No farmland usage conflict. We first skim a little energy off our food, then pass it on for fuel. Symon The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From jsymon at safenet-inc.com Thu Dec 14 15:26:49 2006 From: jsymon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Thu Dec 14 11:16:23 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: algae and CO2 Message-ID: <06EC80D6ECEB204997F3B7A799D3485C07EC37EB@bel1mail002.sfnt.local> > Any biofuel will be "near" to carbon neutral because the CO2 produced when burning it will be reabsorbed by the next crop of soybeans, switchgrass, algae, or whatever. It's carbon neutral if the CO2 produced when burning it came from atmospheric CO2 absorbed by the previous crop of... This is not a meaningless distinction. If you grow the feedstock using carbon from the exhaust gas of a fossil fueled power plant it is not part of a carbon-neutral cycle of biomass atmospheric carbon absorption. > When growing algae, the same amount of carbon gets pulled out of the atmosphere per unit fuel produced whether it is just from the air or from power plant exhaust gases. If you use exhaust gases from existing power plants, the carbon comes from the coal the plant burned, not from the atmosphere (well, maybe millions of years ago). The "new" carbon from the coal still ends up adding to the carbon in the modern atmosphere when the biodiesel burns without carbon recovery. Long term sustainable vs partial improvement discussions usually end up in religious arguments about the value of investing in dead end paths for near term advantage. > ...eventually convert that power plant to burning some form of biofuel Yes, if you close the loop it becomes sustainable. If you are not introducing fossil carbon to the system anywhere the power plant becomes solar powered. Then the question becomes whether the efficiency of the concentrated CO2 source is worth the investment and operating costs of the technology to use it. Symon The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 21:57:10 2006 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Thu Dec 14 17:44:04 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae and CO2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45820F06.1040103@gmail.com> Any biofuel will be "near" to carbon neutral because the CO2 produced when burning it will be reabsorbed by the next crop of soybeans, switchgrass, algae, or whatever. Any power plant burning fossil fuels is nowhere near carbon neutral. When growing algae, the same amount of carbon gets pulled out of the atmosphere per unit fuel produced whether it is just from the air or from power plant exhaust gases. The advantage to using exhaust gases from power plants (whether the plants burn biofuels or fossil fuels) is that the CO2 concentration is higher in the exhaust gas than in the air,. With the higher CO2 concentration, the algae grow much faster, so you can produce more biofuel on the same land area. Algae probably reduce the amount of NOx and SO2 in the waste gases as well. So ideally, you would locate your algae farm near any power plant that burns something to take advantage of the higher CO2 concentration and eventually convert that power plant to burning some form of biofuel. That closes the loop. -- Mark > Jim Symon wrote: > >> >> >>>The partners will produce massive quantities of algae and oil by >>> >>> >>tapping into carbon dioxide produced by industrial smokestacks. >> >>Am I missing something here? This is not a green way of getting rid of >>smokestack CO2. Ok, this will generate more energy for a given amount of >>fossil fuel by once recycling it past some solar rays, but you are still >>moving ancient carbon from its sequestration in fossil fuel into the >>atmosphere. Also, there may be some way to practically sequester carbon from >>concentrated sources such as smokestacks. Is there any practical way to >>collect it from millions of tailpipes? >> >>As others have suggested, grow algae on hog farm waste. Pay farmers to end >>the lagoon system and make NC the Saudi Arabia of pig energy. Maybe later >>take over some peak-obsoleted oil pipelines and send it (and ours) out to >>Arizona desert seawater-backfilled algae ponds. No farmland usage conflict. >>We first skim a little energy off our food, then pass it on for fuel. >> >>Symon >> >>The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> >> > From pcantrell at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 11:37:59 2006 From: pcantrell at gmail.com (Paul S Cantrell) Date: Fri Dec 15 07:27:27 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae and CO2 Message-ID: The point is not that the Algae pull their CO2 out of the smokestack and then released again from the biodiesel. It is that the biodiesel will displace some fossil fuel and thereby lower fossil carbon emissions. Those smokestacks are going to be there for some time, so we should do the best we can withe technology we have! I do like the pig farm idea. That's a big, damn mess here in SC, too. Another reason not to dig on swine. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven Wright We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities. - Walt Kelly From dentonconrad at netzero.net Fri Dec 15 12:27:34 2006 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad) Date: Fri Dec 15 08:17:16 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Porky Petrol Message-ID: <4582DB06.2000008@netzero.net> Porky Petrol - " Similar but not identical to the black gold it took Mother Nature eons to brew, Zhang's fuel behaves like diesel." http://www.khou.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=82475&sid=19e6cc85545aa8f0bdeb1cadecb0bc52 From marc at theforestfoundation.org Fri Dec 15 15:54:30 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Fri Dec 15 11:52:47 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Everything you needed to know about biofuels... Message-ID: Check out the latest: http://grist.org/biofuels Our friend Rob Del Bueno is heavily quoted. We got interviewed, but haven't seen either Piedmont or ourselves quoted. Marc From john.bonitz at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 20:02:29 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Fri Dec 15 15:51:58 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae, CO2, hog waste, and thinking in three dimensions Message-ID: <84a57a420612151702k7504224cude34b08555078318@mail.gmail.com> I love this topic! Interesting posts, too, so I think I'll chime in. Jim Symon wrote: > It's carbon neutral if the CO2 produced when burning it came from > atmospheric CO2 absorbed by the previous crop of... This is not a > meaningless distinction. If you grow the feedstock using carbon from the > exhaust gas of a fossil fueled power plant it is not part of a > carbon-neutral cycle of biomass atmospheric carbon absorption. Paul S Cantrell wrote: > The point is not that the Algae pull their CO2 out of the smokestack > and then released again from the biodiesel. > It is that the biodiesel will displace some fossil fuel and thereby > lower fossil carbon emissions. > > Those smokestacks are going to be there for some time, so we should do > the best we can withe technology we have! I agree with JIm's point that this is just a detour for CO2: A side-trip away from the carbon-cycle, via micro-algae critters, through a biodiesel plant, into a diesel engine, and back into the atmosphere. And Paul helpfully underscores this by pointing out that biodiesel is merely a way for us all to buy ourselves some time, lingering in the long-distance-transportation-era, before the fossil fuels run out completely. The thing that is compelling to me is putting this all in the perspective of our massive scale energy needs: 1) UNH and Mike Briggs (the algae from smokestack gasses project) seem to have developed an effective smokestack CO2 scrubber that incidentally produces some quantities of fatty-algae. That's cool, but let's not lose sight of the fact that it is NOT an energy solution. Nor is it CO2 sequestration. From what I've read, it is first and foremost a way to scrub flue-gasses; secondly a way to grab some CO2 for a brief detour; and lastly, a way to produce miniscule amounts of renewable energy. 2) This system uses highly engineered systems of translucent tubes, pumps, aereators, etc, to grow algae in three dimensions. These systems use all three dimensions because real-estate near power plants is fairly pricey, and they wanted to grow as much algae per square foot as possible, with little regard for the capital cost. I seriously doubt we will ever see this as a cost-effective means of producing renewable energy until oil reaches something like $200 to $300 per barrel. (This is a wild-a$$ guess, but if you think about financing mazes of clear pipes, pumps, aereators, etc, you get my point.) 3) We've got no shortage of sunny places in this country that could be flooded to grow the algae, open air, in two dimensions. We'll never be able to grow sufficient quantities of algae-oil if we limit ourselves to little smoketack-sized habitrails for micro-algae. We must think massive scale: Sheer flat acreages of flooded algae-oceans. Forget about the vertical dimension: Imagine instead, acres and acres of open plains of water, being constantly skimmed of algae by solar powered skimmer'bots. Hog-waste, chicken-litter, or human-sewage are not in short supply, so fertilizer is not the problem. I believe the limiting factor will be the residual wastes from these fertilizers, piling-up like sediment in our man-made algae seas. For example, every organic farmer knows that commercial poulty litter cannot be repeatedly applied to the same soil because it will build-up arsenic and copper-salts (added to the chicken-feed to keep 'em from getting sick, and crapped-out by the birds, undiminished in quantity or potency). In this final regard, I found Jurgen's recently posted article to be most interesting: The Red Herring Magazine article discusses limiting factors of open-pond algae farming... http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20129&hed=Cleantech+Smackdown%3A+Algae+vs.+Soybeans "Mr. Bullock described the process: First, you need a distributed light source to get light past the top layer of algae and deeper into the ponds. Once you solve that problem, you discover that the algae runs out of food. To increase the food supply, you have to make significant changes to the nursery system. And once you've done that, you have to manage heat." Speaking of red herrings, I can't help but wonder if the "distributed light source" thing is a red-herring. I imagine if you are skimming the surface quickly enough, you can harvest the algae-critters in swaths, letting them spread-out again as soon as the skimmer passes, thus opening more light into the sub-surface waters. Lordy, who knows how such systems will perform until we try them. That's why I'm praying for the NREL project to get renewed funding. Thanks for reading, and happy holidays, everyone! John From mackin at email.unc.edu Fri Dec 15 20:18:53 2006 From: mackin at email.unc.edu (Will Mackin) Date: Fri Dec 15 16:08:33 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae and CO2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54ffd18bd2697ae7f936e6381f4592f2@email.unc.edu> When I'm depressed, I realize that our taking ourselves out of the equation just makes fuel cheaper for other people. It's really what we pump and dig out of the earth that matters, along with what we store. Should we stop recycling plastic, paper and anything else that would store CO2?? Should we ban drilling for new oil?? I don't think that will happen, but did you see this: http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Green_Car_News/DOE_Plug- In_Nation_a_Possibility.S196.A11577.html On Dec 15, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Paul S Cantrell wrote: > The point is not that the Algae pull their CO2 out of the smokestack > and then released again from the biodiesel. > > It is that the biodiesel will displace some fossil fuel and thereby > lower fossil carbon emissions. > > Those smokestacks are going to be there for some time, so we should do > the best we can withe technology we have! > > I do like the pig farm idea. That's a big, damn mess here in SC, too. > Another reason not to dig on swine. > > -- > Thanks, > PC > > He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch > > It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven Wright > > We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities. - Walt Kelly > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From pcantrell at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 22:21:16 2006 From: pcantrell at gmail.com (Paul S Cantrell) Date: Fri Dec 15 18:10:41 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae and CO2 In-Reply-To: <54ffd18bd2697ae7f936e6381f4592f2@email.unc.edu> References: <54ffd18bd2697ae7f936e6381f4592f2@email.unc.edu> Message-ID: On 12/15/06, Will Mackin wrote: > When I'm depressed, I realize that our taking ourselves out of the > equation just makes fuel cheaper for other people. It's really what we > pump and dig out of the earth that matters, along with what we store. Yes, and the less we demand the less they supply from the ground, slowing the fossil CO2. > Should we stop recycling plastic, paper and anything else that would > store CO2?? We should definitely NOT stop recycling! Recycling plastics also reduces demand for natural gas and crude oil, as well as energy to process it from raw materials. Recycling paper saves a lot of water, energy and trees, which take CO2 out of the air. > Should we ban drilling for new oil?? I don't think that > will happen, but did you see this: > http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Green_Car_News/DOE_Plug- > In_Nation_a_Possibility.S196.A11577.html > They will stop drilling for oil only when there is no economic demand! Yes, increasing the load factor of the electric grid would overall be good. It would shift crude oil use (gasoline/diesel) to coal/fission/hydro/solar/wind ie the electric grid fuel mix. It is MUCH easier and more feasible to control emissions of centralized power plants rather than independent automobiles exhaust. -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it. - Steven Wright We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities. - Walt Kelly From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 23:19:42 2006 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Fri Dec 15 19:06:40 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] algae, CO2, hog waste, and thinking in three dimensions In-Reply-To: <84a57a420612151702k7504224cude34b08555078318@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420612151702k7504224cude34b08555078318@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <458373DE.4020500@gmail.com> Actually, from what I have read, it seems that the jury is still out on whether open ponds or the bio-sell approach to growing algae will be more cost-effective. The biocell approach has a couple of other advantages over open ponds. One is that it makes it easy to control the strain of algae you are using. Not all algae have high oil content; not all algae grow fast. So any biofuel producers will want to selcet the best algae strains for oil production. However, in open ponds it is hard to keep your system from being contaminated by wild strains of algae that are less desireable. It is much easier to to that in a bio-cell. Also, the ability to better control temperature in bio-cells can significantly etend the growing season for algae compared with open ponds. I really remains to be seen whether the increased productivity makes up for the higher capital costs. -- Mark John Bonitz wrote: > > The thing that is compelling to me is putting this all in the > perspective of our massive scale energy needs: > > 1) UNH and Mike Briggs (the algae from smokestack gasses project) seem > to have developed an effective smokestack CO2 scrubber that > incidentally produces some quantities of fatty-algae. That's cool, > but let's not lose sight of the fact that it is NOT an energy > solution. Nor is it CO2 sequestration. From what I've read, it is > first and foremost a way to scrub flue-gasses; secondly a way to grab > some CO2 for a brief detour; and lastly, a way to produce miniscule > amounts of renewable energy. > > 2) This system uses highly engineered systems of translucent tubes, > pumps, aereators, etc, to grow algae in three dimensions. These > systems use all three dimensions because real-estate near power plants > is fairly pricey, and they wanted to grow as much algae per square > foot as possible, with little regard for the capital cost. I > seriously doubt we will ever see this as a cost-effective means of > producing renewable energy until oil reaches something like $200 to > $300 per barrel. (This is a wild-a$$ guess, but if you think about > financing mazes of clear pipes, pumps, aereators, etc, you get my > point.) > > 3) We've got no shortage of sunny places in this country that could be > flooded to grow the algae, open air, in two dimensions. We'll never > be able to grow sufficient quantities of algae-oil if we limit > ourselves to little smoketack-sized habitrails for micro-algae. We > must think massive scale: Sheer flat acreages of flooded algae-oceans. > > Forget about the vertical dimension: Imagine instead, acres and acres > of open plains of water, being constantly skimmed of algae by solar > powered skimmer'bots. Hog-waste, chicken-litter, or human-sewage are > not in short supply, so fertilizer is not the problem. I believe the > limiting factor will be the residual wastes from these fertilizers, > piling-up like sediment in our man-made algae seas. For example, > every organic farmer knows that commercial poulty litter cannot be > repeatedly applied to the same soil because it will build-up arsenic > and copper-salts (added to the chicken-feed to keep 'em from getting > sick, and crapped-out by the birds, undiminished in quantity or > potency). > > In this final regard, I found Jurgen's recently posted article to be > most interesting: The Red Herring Magazine article discusses limiting > factors of open-pond algae farming... > > http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20129&hed=Cleantech+Smackdown%3A+Algae+vs.+Soybeans > > > "Mr. Bullock described the process: First, you need a distributed > light source to get light past the top layer of algae and deeper into > the ponds. Once you solve that problem, you discover that the algae > runs out of food. To increase the food supply, you have to make > significant changes to the nursery system. And once you've done that, > you have to manage heat." > > Speaking of red herrings, I can't help but wonder if the "distributed > light source" thing is a red-herring. I imagine if you are skimming > the surface quickly enough, you can harvest the algae-critters in > swaths, letting them spread-out again as soon as the skimmer passes, > thus opening more light into the sub-surface waters. > > Lordy, who knows how such systems will perform until we try them. > That's why I'm praying for the NREL project to get renewed funding. > > Thanks for reading, and happy holidays, everyone! > > John > _______________________________________________ > > From marc at theforestfoundation.org Mon Dec 18 12:46:26 2006 From: marc at theforestfoundation.org (Marc Dreyfors-President) Date: Mon Dec 18 08:44:52 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Notes from Argentina's biofuels revolutionario Message-ID: Here is some good points that Ricardo from Argentina id'ed. This guy is building small reactors all over the world and is somewhat of a gadfly and revolutionary. Check out his quote below! This guy is good. "read your biodiesel info, and wish to mention that filter clogging is mostly due to bacteria that thrives on fossil diesel, and colonize the fuel tank; bd kills them, and that's what ends up in the filter, they have a redish brown colour. softened tubing and seals is pretty much a thing of the past, some manufacturers, such as ford, insist on not using viton seals in the fuel pumps, but oem replacement viton seals are available. any polyurethane, pvc, ldpe, hdpe, pp, neoprene, or silicon based tubing will do fine with bd. nox has more to do with timing and residual alcohol than with engine design: if engine is re-timed to take advantage of bd's higher cetane number, nox emmissions drop; also, if residual alky is left in the bd, nox values also drop, the engine runs better, stays cleaner, cpp is lower, starting is better, and emmissions are improved. storage and transportation is what flash point is all about; gas is allowed 36 celsius, fossil diesel is allowed 60 celsius, but biodiesel is penalized with 100-110 celsius (nobody knows why), this precludes allowing residual alcohol in the bd, which would make for a better fuel, and less contamination (alcohol is an oxygenate.) if the US where to plant chinese tallow trees (sapium sebiferum) in presently idle non arable land, it would eventually cover all it's bd needs from this source alone, without removing a single acre from food production. growing canola in presently set-aside land would add to this. sapium sebiferum are trees (same as jatropha), and would thus add to carbon sequestration, besides providing fuel. nobody seems to be studying the chinese tallow tree for it's oil yield, as a matter of fact the US dep of ag. considers it to be an invasive weed. there are other cold weather oil fruit bearing trees that show promise, but again everybody is looking the other way... last but not least: re standards, of the 29 parameters that have to be met for compliance with EN14214, only 6 (six) are a function of the process per se; the remaining 23 are a function of feedstock, or post-process handling. as an example of this, bd meeting ASTM-D-6751-3 standards would not meet EN 14214-2 standards if soy oil were used, due to iodiene index..." Ricardo G. Carlstein BIOFUELS S.A. biofuels@fibertel.com.ar www.biofuels-sa.com Phone: +54.11.4743.1116/4732.9637 Mobile: +54.911.5516.2006 "It is not a sign of good health to be well adjusted to a sick society" J. Krishnamurti (1895-1986)/ From wenck at unc.edu Mon Dec 18 15:47:56 2006 From: wenck at unc.edu (Wendy Wenck) Date: Mon Dec 18 11:38:06 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Notes from Argentina's biofuels revolutionario Message-ID: <4586FE7C.2030300@unc.edu> Thanks for forwarding this, Marc-- good stuff and I really like what he says esp with regard to filter clogging and emissions. I disagree with Ricardo's endorsement of Chinese tallow tree as an oil crop, though. While he believes that this species would make good use of "presently idle non arable land" that seems to presume that the land is not useful if it is not being cultivated for the benefit of humans. Sapium is well known for its ability to produce seed beginning when a tree is only 3 yrs of age, produce great quantities of seed, not all of which would be captured for oil production. Chinese tallow tree seeds retain their ability to germinate for up to100 years. This species is well known for its ability to displace native species-- you can read more at The Nature Conservancy's website: http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/alert/alrtsapi.html I am less familiar with the two most commonly cultivated species of jatropha. However, they do not seem to spread and cause troubles like Sapium. Have enjoyed all the posts re: algae lately, as another "green" alternative. Wendy -- Wendy E. Wenck Herb Garden Curator North Carolina Botanical Garden University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Campus Box 3375, Totten Center Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3375 (919)962-0522 wenck@unc.edu www.ncbg.unc.edu From john.bonitz at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 17:29:08 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Tue Dec 19 13:18:19 2006 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] new film - "Greasy Rider" Message-ID: <84a57a420612191429h7d77a44fy63bae4065087f25a@mail.gmail.com> Hey y'all, I happened to catch a new film the other night. It's called "Greasy Rider," and unlike many films in the "biofuels-roadtrip-genre," it does a pretty good job of touching on the big picture in an informative and interesting way. http://www.greasyrider.com/ What distinguishes this film the most are the interviews with impressive celebrities and intellectuals. Morgan Freeman, Noam Chomsky, Yoko Ono, Tommy Chong and a few other notables make for stimulating and entertaining content. Another interesting segment is a series of juxtaposed interviews with founders of the "big four" SVO conversion kit companies. Sadly, the filmmakers did a poor job of conveying biodiesel, summarily dissing it as complex and dangerous. So the filmmakers Joey Carey and J.J. Beck get raspberries for that un-informed disservice to the movement. All in all, I give it a thumbs up for entertainment value, especially getting to hear Noam Chomsky waxing about democracy, energy politics, and the movement. For those with cable or satellite teevee, I found the film on LINK TV. It will be re-broadcast again a dozen more times before the end of the year. http://www.linktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=greasy cheers! 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Contact: www.autospies.com/news/Diesel-Drivers-Report-Higher-Fuel- Economy-Than-EPA-Rating-Hybrid-Lower-10791/ From dentonconrad at netzero.net Sun Dec 24 10:58:47 2006 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton Conrad) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:58:47 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] rotary engine burns diesel Message-ID: <458EA3B7.3060706@netzero.net> Rotary engine burns diesel - "This lets the engine generate 1hp/0.75 lb, as compared to a conventional internal-combustion engine's 1 hp/6 to 7 lb. The engine has a compression ratio of 20:1, which lets it burn a variety of fuels, including diesel." http://www.regtech.com/directcharge.html From john.bonitz at gmail.com Thu Dec 28 11:17:54 2006 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:17:54 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] new magazine ? Message-ID: <84a57a420612280817g26c7593awba640e5455cd7f9b@mail.gmail.com> Dear friends, I got a glossy postcard in the mail yesterday. It's an invitation to subscribe to "biodieselSMARTER," a new magazine with the subtitle, "for biodiesel brewers, by biodiesel brewers." Also, they describe it as "a magazine for those who want to produce SMARTER biodiesel." The Brookeville, MD address is asking $25 for one year subscription of four issues. The postcard is nicely designed, lots of white space, but precious little information. So I googled: While it appears that the publishers have registered a domain name ( biodieselsmarter.com, as of late November), they have no website (yet). The card was hand-addressed in a nice script. So I'm curious: Has anyone heard of this? Anyone know who is behind it, and do they know anything about brewing biodiesel? Happy New Year, everyone! -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From david at biofuels.coop Thu Dec 28 13:08:14 2006 From: david at biofuels.coop (David Thornton) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] [Biofuels Workers] new magazine: "biodieselSMARTER" ? In-Reply-To: <84a57a420612280804p4b60f0eej30be7beeaa9d7487@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a420612280804p4b60f0eej30be7beeaa9d7487@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <82002998-5553-4B71-89A5-074EE0CD6D1A@biofuels.coop> Hey John, The editor of the zine is Franky Lind. He is medium scale producer in MD who produces for POGO tree/composting service. i think he makes about 500 gal/week, and like us at the coop, is mainly limited by feedstock. He is very knowledgeable. He is a veteran fuel maker, attended our Grassroots conference, NBB conferences, Shadow Conferences, Clean Cities Conferences. i see him everywhere. I've toured his set up and we've shared a lot of ideas. You'll recognize some of the contributors to the zine too (Leif, Lyle and Rachel), so a lot of the content is Piedmont Heavy... which i would think is a good thing. He pings us, and the rest of the small-scale grassroots community for feedback often. I think it is a worthwhile investment for the small scale brewer. werd d On Dec 28, 2006, at 11:04 AM, John Bonitz wrote: > I got a glossy postcard in the mail yesterday. It's an invitation > to subscribe to "biodieselSMARTER," a new magazine with the > subtitle, "for biodiesel brewers, by biodiesel brewers." Also they > describe it as "a magazine for those who want to produce SMARTER > biodiesel." > > The Brookeville, MD address is asking $25 for one year subscription > of four issues. The postcard is nicely designed, lots of white > space, but precious little information. So I googled: While it > appears that the publishers have registered a domain name > ( biodieselSMARTER.com, as of late November), they have no website > (yet). > > The card was hand-addressed in a nice script. So I'm curious: Has > anyone hear of this? Anyone know who is behind it, and if they > know anything about brewing biodiesel? > > Happy New Year, everyone! > > John > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > _______________________________________________ > Workers mailing list > Workers at lists.biofuels.coop > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/workers From mattr at biofuels.coop Sat Dec 30 16:51:13 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:51:13 -0600 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Biofuels Republic Brazil References: <44537.216.230.140.32.1167455372.squirrel@domainepublic.net> Message-ID: <76C8ADCA-768D-4830-AB74-3DDF7017FF73@biofuels.coop> Begin forwarded message: > ISIS Press Release 18/12/06 > > Biofuels Republic Brazil > ****************** > > Brazil?s rapidly expanding biofuels industry pose serious > threats to the survival of people and planet. Dr. Mae-Wan Ho > > Integrated bioethanol and biodiesel production President > Lula has recently inaugurated Barralcool, the first > integrated biofuels plant that will produce sugarcane-based > ethanol and biodiesel from oilseeds [1]. Brazil?s bioethanol > programme goes back at least to the oil crisis in the 1970s, > and has been the world?s most advanced biofuels market for > decades. There are currently nearly 300 sugar-ethanol mills > in operation, with 60 or more under construction. > > Rising global demand for biofuels has provided an > opportunity, not only to expand its sugarcane ethanol, but > also to save its ailing soybean industry, by turning > soybean oil into another biofuel, biodiesel. > > The soy sector is in its worst crisis in decades, and the > soybean crushing industry has been in serious decline. > Multinational corporations such as Archer Daniels Midland > and Bunge have closed several crushing plants in the past > year or so. > > Read the rest of this article here > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelRepublicBrazil.php > > > > Or read other articles in the Science & Energy, and > Global Warming sections of the ISIS Website > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/scienergy.php > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/climateglobalwarming.php Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From mattr at biofuels.coop Sat Dec 30 16:51:47 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:51:47 -0600 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits References: <51483.216.230.140.32.1167455443.squirrel@domainepublic.net> Message-ID: <349E18EE-C8CD-4A43-8589-5031692F656A@biofuels.coop> Begin forwarded message: > ISIS Press Release 11/12/06 > > Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits > ******************************************* > > > Europe?s thirst for biofuels is fuelling deforestation and > food price hikes, exacerbated by a false accounting system > that awards carbon credits to the carbon profligate nations. > A mandatory certification scheme for biofuels is needed to > protect the earth?s most sensitive forest ecosystems, to > stabilise climate and to safeguard our food security. > Dr. Mae-Wan Ho > > > Biofuels not necessarily carbon neutral nor sustainable > Biofuels are fuels derived from crop plants, and include > biomass directly burnt, and especially biodiesel from plant > seed-oil, and bioethanol from fermenting grain, sap, grass, > straw or wood [1] (Biofuels for Oil Addicts, SiS 30). > Biofuels have been promoted and mistakenly perceived to be > ?carbon neutral?, that they do not add any greenhouse gas to > the atmosphere; burning them simply returns to the > atmosphere the carbon dioxide that the plants take out when > they were growing in the field. This ignores the costs in > carbon emissions and energy of the fertiliser and pesticides > used for growing the crops, of farming implements, > processing and refining, refinery plants, transport, and > infrastructure for transport and distribution. The extra > costs in energy and carbon emissions can be quite > substantial particularly if the biofuels are made in one > country and exported to another, or worse, if the raw > materials, such as seed oils, are produced in one country to > be refined for use in another. Both are very likely if > current trends continue. > > > Read the rest of this article here > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiodevastationHunger.php > > > Or read other articles in the energy section of the Institute > of Science in Society Website > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/scienergy.php > > > ======================================================== > This article can be found on the I-SIS website at > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiodevastationHunger.php Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From mattr at biofuels.coop Sat Dec 30 16:52:15 2006 From: mattr at biofuels.coop (Matthew Rudolf) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:52:15 -0600 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Biogas China References: <7599.216.230.140.32.1167455651.squirrel@domainepublic.net> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > ISIS Press Release 02/10/06 > Biogas China > ********** > > Biogas from biological wastes tops renewable energies as it > also prevents carbon emissions and environmental pollution. > It is at the heart of a burgeoning eco-economy in China, but > certain constraints need to be addressed for its full > potential to be realized. > Prof. Li Kangmin and Dr. Mae-Wan Ho > > What is biogas? > > Biogas is a combustible mixture of gases produced by micro- > organisms when livestock manure and other biological wastes > are allowed to ferment in the absence of air in closed > containers [1] (Dream Farms). The major constituents of > biogas are methane (CH4, 60 percent or more by volume) and > carbon dioxide (CO2, about 35 percent); but small amounts of > water vapour, hydrogen sulphide (H2S), carbon monoxide (CO), > and nitrogen (N2) are also present. The composition of > biogas varies according to the biological material. The > methane content of biogas produced from night soil (human > excreta), chicken manure and wastewater from slaughterhouse > sometimes could reach 70 percent or more, while that from > stalk and straw of crops is about 55 percent. The > concentration of H2S in biogas produced from chicken manure > and molasses could be as high as 4 000mg/m3, and from > alcohol wastewater even higher at 10 000 mg/m3. Biogas is > mainly used as fuel, like natural gas, while the digested > mixture of liquids and solids ?bio-slurry? and ?bio-sludge? > are mainly used as organic fertiliser for crops. But there > are numerous other uses for biogas, bio-slurry and bio- > sludge in China. > > Brief history > > There?s evidence that biogas was used to heat bath water in > Assyria during 10 BC; and the first digestion plant to > produce biogas from wastes was built in a leper colony in > Bombay India in 1859 [2] (Sustainable Food System for > Sustainable Development). > > China is one of countries in the world to have used biogas > technology early in its history. By the end of the > nineteenth century, simple biogas digesters had appeared in > the coastal areas of southern China. Mr. Luo Guorui invented > and built an eight cubic metre Guorui biogas tank in 1920, > and established the Santou Guorui Biogas Lamp Company. In > 1932, he moved the Company to Shanghai and changed his > firm?s name to Chinese Guorui Biogas Company with many > branches along the Yangtze River and in the southern > provinces. Chinese Guorui Biogas Digester Practical Lecture > Notes was published in 1935 [3], the first monograph on > biogas in China and in the world. That was the first wave of > biogas use in China. > > > Read the rest of this article here > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiogasChina.php > > > Or read other articles in the Science and Energy > section of the Institute of Science in Society Website > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/scienergy.php > > > ======================================================== > This article can be found on the I-SIS website at > http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiogasChina.php Matthew Rudolf Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From michael.chrestensen at biogenidec.com Sat Dec 30 22:03:06 2006 From: michael.chrestensen at biogenidec.com (Michael Chrestensen) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:03:06 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Mike C is off-site training, will return Monday 12/07 Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 12/21/2006 and will not return until 01/03/2007. For AE Issues see Tammy Burnett, Sean Stonham, or Anita Kretchman For PC questions contact Kyle Mikulis or Therese Danskin For mail issues contact Lucretia Chapman From tomjarrett at gmail.com Sun Dec 31 10:42:04 2006 From: tomjarrett at gmail.com (thomas jarrett) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:42:04 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Need help locating biofuels daily price reports Message-ID: <126f11ed0612310742j3c6688f6s58d793b48d36a383@mail.gmail.com> Folks, I have been tracking B-20 and Dino at two stations for a company I work for. This company uses a lot of fuel and a few of us are trying to convince management to switch to B-20. Part of our proposal has been to track what the cost would be to switch to B-20 from our current fuel provider to a B-20 provider that is of similar convenience. I have been following the prices for about 5 months now on a daily basis for a while then a weekly basis and for the last two months on a monthly basis. I am suspicious the two stations are fixing their price against each other as the prices of the two have been identical for the last three months. To test this I am looking at the average Dino price in the Durham Raleigh Chapel Hill Market off of http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/NCmetro.asp. Does anyone know of a similar service for alternative fuels? thanks tom -- From MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com Sun Dec 31 16:46:23 2006 From: MarkJ.Ambrose at gmail.com (Mark Ambrose) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:46:23 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Need help locating biofuels daily price reports In-Reply-To: <126f11ed0612310742j3c6688f6s58d793b48d36a383@mail.gmail.com> References: <126f11ed0612310742j3c6688f6s58d793b48d36a383@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45982FAF.8010700@gmail.com> Tom -- I doubt that there is any such service for alternative fuels because in most metro areas there are very few alternative fule providers to average. I would expect B-20 prices to track very closely in any given market for several reasons: 1) Dino fuel prices already track closely -- wholesale prices are similar across companies, retailers who don't match competitor's prices lose business. My sense is that price differences in dino fuel prices in a market relate to "name brand" vs. no-name, real estate prices that affect overhead, and traffic volume and amount of competition at a location. 2) In a given metro-area, retailers of B-20 are probably using the same wholesaler to get their fuel. 3) In a given metro-area, a single person/company may own all or most of the B-20 retail stations. Also, I have noticed that around here, except at truck-stops on the highway, diesel prices do not seem to change as frequently as gasoline prices. I know that retail stations change gas prices as needed to match the market rather than changing it as the wholesale price changes when they get a new fuel delivery. My guess is that, except along main truck routes, price competition is less intense in the diesel market because not all stations carry diesel and it is a rather small fraction of the revenue for many stations that do carry it. I recall times when gas prices were going up or down a few cents almost every day but the diesel price didn't budge until there was a sudden jump of 5 or 10 cents. I think price competition among B-20 retailers is even less. Unless there price is competitive with B0, they only sell to folk who are willing to pay more for a greener fuel. The typical diesel auto-driving consumer who pays 5 cents/gallon more for B-20 instead of B-0 is not likely to drive across town to get B-20 for only 4 cents/gallon more than B-0. -- Mark thomas jarrett wrote: >Folks, > >I have been tracking B-20 and Dino at two stations for a company I >work for. This company uses a lot of fuel and a few of us are trying >to convince management to switch to B-20. Part of our proposal has >been to track what the cost would be to switch to B-20 from our >current fuel provider to a B-20 provider that is of similar >convenience. I have been following the prices for about 5 months now >on a daily basis for a while then a weekly basis and for the last two >months on a monthly basis. I am suspicious the two stations are >fixing their price against each other as the prices of the two have >been identical for the last three months. To test this I am looking at >the average Dino price in the Durham Raleigh Chapel Hill Market off of > http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/NCmetro.asp. Does anyone know of a >similar service for alternative fuels? > >thanks > >tom >-- > > > > From stebak at gmail.com Fri Dec 29 22:29:51 2006 From: stebak at gmail.com (steve baker) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:29:51 -0500 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 2003 Jetta wagon using biodiesel, fuel pump leaking Message-ID: <002b8892d2c00265eb8e9826cb83ee24@gmail.com> I got my jetta inspected this week and the garage notice the fuel pump leaking, the car has 76,000 miles on it. It's costing a lot for a replacement. I don't know if using biodiesel has anything to do with this, but I have to wonder. Can anyone shed any light on this subject? Steve Baker 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. Chapel Hill, NC 27516 tel: (919) 960-5049 voip: (919) 636-5002 stevenbaker at nc.rr.com