From schlageter at charter.net Thu Sep 1 09:26:43 2005 From: schlageter at charter.net (schlageter@charter.net) Date: Thu Sep 1 09:14:45 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Message-ID: <48vkfg$1cqdjv9@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> We have Various diesel for sale. VW, Mercedes and Volv. Tell us what you are looking for and we will find it. 704-616-0799. From john.bonitz at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 07:50:14 2005 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu Sep 1 16:22:22 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] coupla diesels for sale Message-ID: <84a57a420509010650188f6970@mail.gmail.com> Got this from the Yahoo group for Audi & VW diesels... -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC Message: 3 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 01:01:05 -0000 From: "shadowpdog" Subject: Re: Two (2) Diesels for sale: '85 Jetta TD, '81 Caddy Diesel (no engine) --- In Audi-VW-Diesels@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hitchings wrote: > I really hate to do it, but due to a forthcoming > addition to the family and the prospect of even > [i]less[/i] free time, I am selling my current daily > driver and my project truck. > > The first one I'm parting with is my 1985 Jetta GL > Turbo Diesel. > > It's a very strong car in very good condition with > only 176K on the odometer, especially considering it's > age. There is no body rust that I have found, but the > paint is a little faded. I bought it from the > previous and original owner last fall. They loved > driving it but didn't like the clutch in DC traffic, > so they went with a domestic automatic to replace this > car. > > I drive it back and forth to Baltimore every day on > the Interstate and consistenly get 40-43 MPG...and I > don't drive in the slow lane. It has very good > acceleration and passing capability. Don't let the > word Diesel fool you, this thing is not slow!!! > > It's been well treated during its life and is looking > for a new and happy home. > > It has new belts, and the timing belt can be changed > before you pick it up at your request. It also has new > rear shocks. I just hanven't had a chance to do the > fronts yet, but they're not gone either. The front > seats have also been replaced with height adjustable > and more comfortable Scirocco front buckets (grey). > > The tires are very new with less than 5K on them. > There is no interior or trunk rust on the car. The > tachometer (factory) and odometer work fine. There is > even an oil pressure gauge mounted in the dash to > monitor that ever-important oil pressure. (If you > don't think it's important, ask me how I know). It > uses less than a quart of oil between changes, but > that is rather normal for these cars. > > I'm looking for About $2500 obo for it. If you think > my price is too high, make me an offer, I love to > haggle!!!! It's available for test drives and passed > the hellish Maryland State Inspection late last year > with flying colors. > > Here's some pictures of the car. > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > http://www.photodump.com/direct/mhitchings/P1010082.jpg > http://www.photodump.com/direct/mhitchings/P1010083.jpg > http://www.photodump.com/direct/mhitchings/P1010089.jpg > also listed here: > (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1965603) > Make me an offer!!! > > The next one I am selling is my '81 Caddy Diesel that > I had a 1.6 TD in before a catestrophic rod failure > led to the introduction of a port hole into the > engine. > > The truck is in pretty good shape with some dings and > dents here and there, but overall in decent shape. > Definitely a good foundation for your project. And for > the price, you can't beat it. It has a killer > spray-in bedliner that will take any abuse you throw > at it!! > > I'm looking to get $750 (obo) for it, but for that you > get: > - '81 Caddy shell > - RUST FREE floor pans from a Cabby ready to be used > to replace any of your MK1 floor pans (or just replace > the aging ones on this truck). > - Some extra MK1 parts, (a couple of axles, seats, > etc.) > > Here's some pics of it during its hay-day. The only > difference now is it's in the garage and has no engine > in it: > > (photos and listing here: > http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1965627 > > The snowflakes are currently on my MK2 Jetta TD so the > Caddy will be sold with a set of stock steelies with > good rubber. From keverett at biolex.com Thu Sep 1 11:04:33 2005 From: keverett at biolex.com (Keith Everett) Date: Thu Sep 1 16:35:33 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuel/WVO shortage looms? Message-ID: <101415EDB4094F468395EC51B72F70E1747C1A@mail.biolex.com> You know, I hate panics based on speculation. However, there is the writing on the wall here, too. If I were a WVO user for a biofuel app. I would look into creating some sort of binding contracts with my suppliers-- to both your benefits. This is a legitimate business strategy that I imagine hasn't been necessary as long as we've been serenely operating below the radar. This anonymity may be changing quickly, though. It's not difficult for me to envision a feeding frenzy in the WVO sector as some posters have indicated. Best regards to all and hold on to your cookies because the times they may be a changin'. Keith -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2578 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From douglas at watchthisinteractive.com Thu Sep 1 12:11:34 2005 From: douglas at watchthisinteractive.com (Douglas Holt) Date: Thu Sep 1 16:56:12 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What if petro > bio? In-Reply-To: References: <43160BD0.9040301@safenet-inc.com> Message-ID: <43171A26.6070305@watchthisinteractive.com> I have not emailed the group before, so forgive me if this question has been already answered. but is anyone familiar with any research that has been done in the US in general and Southeast US in particular investigating the utilization of perennials for oilseed production for biofuels, such as */ Jatropha Curcas /*or even industrial hemp seeds? Steven Baker wrote: > I heard someone in this group talking once about a million gallon > facility. It would be awful nice if that were in place now, because > things are changing much quicker than anyone could anticipate. > > The price we pay is reduced by the fact that the oil comes to us > cheap; when demand grows for biofuel this will not last. There is > only so much free oil coming from cafeterias and when the market > shifts, we will be competing for this oil and all other veggie oil as > a resource. I can see McDonalds selling McCookingOil! > > And the demand will shift. It is one thing for Willie Nelson and > Daryl Hannah to be a bio-diesel fan because they can afford it and > it's the right thing to do. It is completely different for the > trucking industry to jump on board because there is very little risk > and substantial savings to be gained. > > It would be interesting to know: > > 1. How many gallons have we produced and/or sold in the past month / year > 2. How much could we increase our supply if we were pressed to do so? > 3. What are the limiting factors? > 4. How much commercial grade B100 can we acquire at current prices? > 5. How much do we expect the demand to increase the price of > commercial grade B100? > 6. Is there any likelihood that these market changes could influence > the political grading requirements that have such and influence on > prices? > > For the moment, I think we should keep our heads down. But, it would > be reasonable to invest heavily in our capacity. > > Steve > > On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Jim Symon wrote: > >> >> What will happen if the price of petrodiesel goes above the price of >> biodiesel? I mean, like next week not off in some biogroupie wishful >> thinking future. >> >> Some predictions are for $4/gal gas at least temporarily because of >> Katrina, perhaps pemanently in the near future. I always figured the >> prices would converge years down the road more because of gradual >> biodiesel production cost reductions accompanying increased >> production and gradually increasing interest in diesels after the low >> sulfer change in 06. Instead it might happen before the biodiesel >> infrastructure is ready for a bunch of diesel drunks realizing that >> there is a lower cost alternative at hand. Bubbas, truckers, and >> trucking companies, etc. Railways? Shipping? Airlines? Power generation? >> >> Sounds wonderful but will our B100 spigot get snatched from us in a >> scarce supply environment? As a knowledgeable group will we suddenly >> get money thrown at us to expand our output? >> >> Will the price of B100 also go up because of the petroleum cost >> component? Because of high demand? How fast? >> >> Symon >> >> >> The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be >> privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from >> disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please >> notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it >> from your computer without copying or disclosing it. >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> > Steve Baker > 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. > Chapel Hill, NC > 27516 > > tel: (919) 960-5049 > cell: (919) 593-7313 > stevenbaker@nc.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > From leif at biofuels.coop Thu Sep 1 17:18:33 2005 From: leif at biofuels.coop (Leif Forer) Date: Thu Sep 1 17:02:35 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Key Differences between Pimentel/Patzek Study and Other Studies Message-ID: Key Differences between Pimentel/Patzek Study and Other Studies By Michael Wang Center for Transportation Research Argonne National Laboratory July 19, 2005 The recent article by Pimentel/Patzek concludes that: 1. Corn ethanol requires 29% more fossil energy than ethanol contains 2. Herbaceous cellulosic ethanol requires 50% more fossil energy 3. Woody cellulosic ethanol requires 57% more fossil energy 4. Soybean-based biodiesel requires 27% more fossil energy than biodiesel contains 5. and sunflower-based biodiesel requires 118% more fossil energy In contrast, many other studies, including Argonne???s study, conclude that corn ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel require less fossil energy than each of the fuel contains. In particular, Argonne???s study concludes: 1. Corn ethanol requires 26% less fossil energy 2. Cellulosic ethanol requires 90% less fossil energy In addition, NREL study sponsored by DOE and USDA in 1998 concludes that soybean-based biodiesel requires 69% less fossil energy than biodiesel contains. A review of Pimentel/Patzek reveals that they made pessimistic assumptions, had double-counted certain energy costs without detailed elaboration. Below is a quick summary of the key differences between Pimentel/Patzek and others. A. Corn Ethanol: 1. Corn farming energy use: a) Pimentel/Patzek conclude that corn farming requires 94,504 Btu/bushel, with 18.2% from farmer labor and farming machinery (77,304 Btu/bushel excluding farmer labor and farming machinery) b) A 2002 detailed USDA analysis showed that corn farming requires 57,480 Btu/bushel (excluding farmer labor and farming machinery) c) Pimentel/Patzek overestimate corn farming energy use (excluding farmer labor and farming machinery) by 34% d) It also appears that Pimentel and Patzek overestimate energy use related to farmer labor and farming machinery 2. Ethanol production energy use: a) Pimentel/Patzek conclude that ethanol production at ethanol plants consumes 56,440 Btu/gal. (56,000 Btu/gal, excluding energy embedded in ethanol plant construction materials) b) A detailed survey of ethanol plant energy use in 2001 showed an energy use of 48,770 Btu/gal. for dry mill ethanol plants and 54,240 Btu/gal., with an average of 53,010 Btu/gal in 2001. c) Recent dry mill plants (all new ethanol plants coming online in recent years have been dry mill plants) may have energy use of 42,530 Btu/gal. d) Pimentel/Patzek overestimate ethanol plant energy use by up to 30% e) Pimentel/Patzek assume an ethanol yield of 2.5 gallons per bushel of corn. Ethanol plants now produce ethanol at 2.7 gallons/bushel and they are approaching the yield of 2.8 gallons/bushel. 3. Animal feed co-products from corn ethanol plants: a) Pimentel/Patzek???s 29% increase in fossil energy by corn ethanol gives not credit to animal feeds b) Pimentel/Patzek acknowledge that animal feeds could have an energy credit of 6,680 Btu per gallon of ethanol produced c) Argonne???s conservative estimation shows that animal feeds and other coproducts from ethanol plants have an energy credit of 12,030 Btu per gallon of ethanol produced B. Cellulosic Ethanol: The key difference between Pimentel/Patzek and other studies is how steam and electricity needed for cellulosic ethanol plant operations is generated. Cellulosic biomass contains more than 25% of lignin, which may not be fermented into ethanol. For cellulosic ethanol designs supported by DOE and others, the lignin portion of biomass feedstocks is to be burned to provide steam and electricity for cellulosic ethanol plant operations. In fact, cellulosic ethanol plants will generate an excess amount of electricity for exporting to the electric grid. To the contrary of the commonly accepted cellulosic ethanol plant designs, Pimentel/Patzek assume that fossil fuels are to be burned in cellulosic ethanol plants to generate needed steam and electricity. If Pimentel/Patzek assumed use of lignin to produce steam and electricity in cellulosic ethanol plants, they would have had positive energy balance values for cellulosic ethanol similar to those from Argonne and others. C. Biodiesel: DOE and USDA in 1998 funded a study evaluating soybean-based biodiesel. That study concluded biodiesel consumes 69% less fossil energy. Argonne has not evaluated biodiesel. D. Costs Results by Pimentel/Patzek Pimentel/Patzek present cost estimates for corn, soybeans, switchgrass, woody biomass, soybeans, sunflowers, ethanol, and biodiesel. Argonne has not conducted cost estimates. Argonne???s review of Pimentel/Patzek shows that their production cost estimates are higher than market prices, implying that farmers, ethanol producers, biodiesel producers are in money-losing business, even taking into account subsidies they receive. Argonne also found that Pimentel/Patzek cost estimates for cellulosic ethanol contain calculation errors by using a cost of $100 per tonne for cellulosic biomass feedstock, instead of their own estimate of $23 per tonne. E. General Issues: 1. Though self evaluation of ethanol???s energy balance is easy to understand, it does not reveal the true energy benefit of ethanol in replacing gasoline; a meaningful way for energy policy debates is to compare ethanol and gasoline to assess the relative merit of ethanol. It is important to put a given energy product into a broad perspective with other energy products for serving same functions in society. 2. Decisions on pursuing certain energy products by society have not been based on their energy balance values. For example, even though electricity generation has a huge negative energy balance value (2.3 unit of fossil energy input for a unit of electric energy output in the US), we do not question the practice of electricity generation. The quality of energy products should be taken into account in making energy choices. 3. In conclusion, energy balance calculations for individual energy productions in their isolations could be arbitrary; results are less meaningful or could be misleading. From lyle at blast.com Thu Sep 1 18:31:42 2005 From: lyle at blast.com (Lyle Estill) Date: Thu Sep 1 17:31:19 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fuel Pricing Message-ID: <3eac16a86021171da3c44d2196c83256@blast.com> Dear Gang, Jim Symon started a thread about fuel pricing that I would like to follow up on, now that we have a fuel crisis on our hands. 1. We have fuel on hand, and we are committed to keeping our coop members in fuel. Those of you who are currently fueling at Moncure, Pittsboro, Carrboro, and Durham should see no change in service. Mebane is in transition at this time. 2. We are probably a year away from having local production online (1-4 million gallons/year facility) 3. We are currently crushed by demand. We have municipal fleets calling, etc., wanting way more volume than our normal supply. 4. We are currently checking our resupply options. Lyle Estill Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 Fax: 919-321-6769 From Patrick.Long at colfaxcorp.com Thu Sep 1 18:35:38 2005 From: Patrick.Long at colfaxcorp.com (Long, Patrick) Date: Thu Sep 1 17:35:53 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Key Differences between Pimentel/Pa tzek Study and Other Studies Message-ID: <05EA7F4ED0E67C4F8651D90A7FA0E8CF01C64A0A@SUSMNREX001.colfaxpumpgroup.com> Hello everyone The following link has some research information gathered from an Argonne National Lab study of energy gained/lost in production of ethanol. If you look at the last chart, there are results posted from 15 separate energy studies of ethanol. Three of the studies were conducted by Pimentel and all of them show ethanol as a big net energy loser. On the contrast you will see 10 studies that show ethanol as a huge net energy gainer (winner?). http://www.ncga.com/public_policy/PDF/03_28_05ArgonneNatlLabEthanolStudy.pdf #search='energy%20needed%20to%20produce%20gasoline' Research data may be reflective of where your funding is coming from: http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/UCOil/structure.htm What's the founder of the UC Oil Consortium doing experimenting with ethanol? Hope everyone's doing well Patrick -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Leif Forer Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:19 PM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Key Differences between Pimentel/Patzek Study and Other Studies Key Differences between Pimentel/Patzek Study and Other Studies By Michael Wang Center for Transportation Research Argonne National Laboratory July 19, 2005 The recent article by Pimentel/Patzek concludes that: 1. Corn ethanol requires 29% more fossil energy than ethanol contains 2. Herbaceous cellulosic ethanol requires 50% more fossil energy 3. Woody cellulosic ethanol requires 57% more fossil energy 4. Soybean-based biodiesel requires 27% more fossil energy than biodiesel contains 5. and sunflower-based biodiesel requires 118% more fossil energy In contrast, many other studies, including ArgonneâEUR(tm)s study, conclude that corn ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, and biodiesel require less fossil energy than each of the fuel contains. In particular, ArgonneâEUR(tm)s study concludes: 1. Corn ethanol requires 26% less fossil energy 2. Cellulosic ethanol requires 90% less fossil energy In addition, NREL study sponsored by DOE and USDA in 1998 concludes that soybean-based biodiesel requires 69% less fossil energy than biodiesel contains. A review of Pimentel/Patzek reveals that they made pessimistic assumptions, had double-counted certain energy costs without detailed elaboration. Below is a quick summary of the key differences between Pimentel/Patzek and others. A. Corn Ethanol: 1. Corn farming energy use: a) Pimentel/Patzek conclude that corn farming requires 94,504 Btu/bushel, with 18.2% from farmer labor and farming machinery (77,304 Btu/bushel excluding farmer labor and farming machinery) b) A 2002 detailed USDA analysis showed that corn farming requires 57,480 Btu/bushel (excluding farmer labor and farming machinery) c) Pimentel/Patzek overestimate corn farming energy use (excluding farmer labor and farming machinery) by 34% d) It also appears that Pimentel and Patzek overestimate energy use related to farmer labor and farming machinery 2. Ethanol production energy use: a) Pimentel/Patzek conclude that ethanol production at ethanol plants consumes 56,440 Btu/gal. (56,000 Btu/gal, excluding energy embedded in ethanol plant construction materials) b) A detailed survey of ethanol plant energy use in 2001 showed an energy use of 48,770 Btu/gal. for dry mill ethanol plants and 54,240 Btu/gal., with an average of 53,010 Btu/gal in 2001. c) Recent dry mill plants (all new ethanol plants coming online in recent years have been dry mill plants) may have energy use of 42,530 Btu/gal. d) Pimentel/Patzek overestimate ethanol plant energy use by up to 30% e) Pimentel/Patzek assume an ethanol yield of 2.5 gallons per bushel of corn. Ethanol plants now produce ethanol at 2.7 gallons/bushel and they are approaching the yield of 2.8 gallons/bushel. 3. Animal feed co-products from corn ethanol plants: a) Pimentel/PatzekâEUR(tm)s 29% increase in fossil energy by corn ethanol gives not credit to animal feeds b) Pimentel/Patzek acknowledge that animal feeds could have an energy credit of 6,680 Btu per gallon of ethanol produced c) ArgonneâEUR(tm)s conservative estimation shows that animal feeds and other coproducts from ethanol plants have an energy credit of 12,030 Btu per gallon of ethanol produced B. Cellulosic Ethanol: The key difference between Pimentel/Patzek and other studies is how steam and electricity needed for cellulosic ethanol plant operations is generated. Cellulosic biomass contains more than 25% of lignin, which may not be fermented into ethanol. For cellulosic ethanol designs supported by DOE and others, the lignin portion of biomass feedstocks is to be burned to provide steam and electricity for cellulosic ethanol plant operations. In fact, cellulosic ethanol plants will generate an excess amount of electricity for exporting to the electric grid. To the contrary of the commonly accepted cellulosic ethanol plant designs, Pimentel/Patzek assume that fossil fuels are to be burned in cellulosic ethanol plants to generate needed steam and electricity. If Pimentel/Patzek assumed use of lignin to produce steam and electricity in cellulosic ethanol plants, they would have had positive energy balance values for cellulosic ethanol similar to those from Argonne and others. C. Biodiesel: DOE and USDA in 1998 funded a study evaluating soybean-based biodiesel. That study concluded biodiesel consumes 69% less fossil energy. Argonne has not evaluated biodiesel. D. Costs Results by Pimentel/Patzek Pimentel/Patzek present cost estimates for corn, soybeans, switchgrass, woody biomass, soybeans, sunflowers, ethanol, and biodiesel. Argonne has not conducted cost estimates. ArgonneâEUR(tm)s review of Pimentel/Patzek shows that their production cost estimates are higher than market prices, implying that farmers, ethanol producers, biodiesel producers are in money-losing business, even taking into account subsidies they receive. Argonne also found that Pimentel/Patzek cost estimates for cellulosic ethanol contain calculation errors by using a cost of $100 per tonne for cellulosic biomass feedstock, instead of their own estimate of $23 per tonne. E. General Issues: 1. Though self evaluation of ethanolâEUR(tm)s energy balance is easy to understand, it does not reveal the true energy benefit of ethanol in replacing gasoline; a meaningful way for energy policy debates is to compare ethanol and gasoline to assess the relative merit of ethanol. It is important to put a given energy product into a broad perspective with other energy products for serving same functions in society. 2. Decisions on pursuing certain energy products by society have not been based on their energy balance values. For example, even though electricity generation has a huge negative energy balance value (2.3 unit of fossil energy input for a unit of electric energy output in the US), we do not question the practice of electricity generation. The quality of energy products should be taken into account in making energy choices. 3. In conclusion, energy balance calculations for individual energy productions in their isolations could be arbitrary; results are less meaningful or could be misleading. _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ----------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete it from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Thu Sep 1 22:34:04 2005 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark Ambrose) Date: Thu Sep 1 21:26:18 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Renewable Energy Tax Credits In-Reply-To: References: <43160BD0.9040301@safenet-inc.com> Message-ID: <4317AC0C.7070701@alumni.princeton.edu> While visiting the NC Dept. of Revenue web page today, I noticed that NC's 35% tax credit on renewable energy systems is set to sunset on Jan 1st of 2006. Does anyone know if the legislature renewed those tax credits this session? Also, I don't know how this tax credit might be used by the Coop, but if it wasn't renewed, the credit applies to the cost of equipment "put in service" by Dec 31, 2005. >2. We are probably a year away from having local production online >(1-4 million gallons/year facility) > > So is there any way to cut 8 months off that timetable? -- Mark From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Sep 2 00:01:14 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Sep 1 23:00:49 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biofuels briefing in DC Oct 5th References: <14338147.1125587459910.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <124406AF-6461-4341-80AF-E66B4A59555B@blast.com> > > Biofuels Briefing in Washington, DC > 05 October 2005 > Before the Hart World Refining & Fuels > Conference! > I cordially invite you on behalf of the International Fuel Quality > Center (IFQC) to attend our next IFQC Fuel Quality Policy & > Technology Briefing on October 5, 2005, at the Capital Hilton in > Washington, D.C. The Briefing will focus on biofuels issues and is > being organized by IFQC's new Biofuels Center. The preliminary > agenda is available here . > > To register for the Briefing, contact Gretta Pieper, Manager, > Customer Services at gpieper@ifqc.org or +1-713-993-9325 ext. 175. > Registration is free for all IFQC members. Registration for non- > members is $495; for government and NGOs, $295. For inquiries > about this Briefing or for information about IFQC and the Biofuels > Center, please contact me directly at tklein@ifqc.org or > +1-703-891-4821. > > I hope to see you at the Briefing on October 5! We have an > interesting program planned and look forward to your > participation! I also invite you to stay for the Hart Global > Energy Policy Conference that begins immediately following the > Briefing. For more information, please visit > www.worldfuelsconferences.com . When you register for this > conference, you are also invited to attend the 5th Annual Global > Energy & Environmental Excellence Awards! Click here to view a > video about this event. > > Best regards! > > Tammy Klein > > Director, Global Biofuels & Americas > IFQC Biofuels Center > +1-703-891-4821 > www.ifqcbiofuels.org > > > From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Sep 2 00:05:14 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Sep 1 23:04:51 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Bulletin - Sept. 1, 2005 References: <639471.1125614549931.JavaMail.atg@atg2.prod> Message-ID: > In This Issue > September 1, 2005 > > President Signs Two Substantial Biodiesel Bills into Law > IRS Clarifies Direction on Biodiesel Tax Incentive > New Uses for Glycerin Could Include Biodegradable Packaging > USDA Suggests Designated Biobased Federal Products > BioTrucker.com: A New Resource for Truckers > > Register for 2006 National Biodiesel Conf. & Expo > Indiana Welcomes its First Biodiesel Plant > Biodiesel to make Encore Performance at Farm Aid > Coolfuel Roadtrip Series Rolls with Biodiesel > Georgia Gets its First Biodiesel Pump > President Signs Two Substantial Biodiesel Bills into Law > > President George W. Bush on August 8 signed the landmark Energy > Bill that includes key provisions to promote cleaner burning > biodiesel. The bill passed with several provisions to promote > biodiesel?s growth, including the extension of a federal excise tax > credit, the biodiesel industry?s number one priority. > > The tax incentive, established originally as part of the American > JOBS Creation Act of 2004, would have expired in 2006. It will now > be extended through 2008 thanks to Congressional champions such as > Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) and Jim > Talent (R-MO) and Congressmen Kenny Hulshof (R-MO) and Earl Pomeroy > (D-N.D.). The excise tax credit provides an incentive to fuel > distributors to blend biodiesel into diesel fuel and to help reduce > costs to consumers. The credit amounts to a dollar per gallon for > ?agri-biodiesel,? such as that made from soybean oil, and 50 cents > per gallon for biodiesel made from recycled cooking oil. > > Sen. Talent also helped create the small producer tax credit for > agri-biodiesel, as well as helped secure the 7.5 billion gallon > Renewable Fuels Standard in the Energy Bill that sets America on > course for greater use of biodiesel and ethanol. > > In addition, the Energy Bill creates a credit for alternative fuel > refueling installations, including those that dispense B20. The > Energy Bill also supports demonstration and testing projects that > use biodiesel, like university stationary generators. It also > encourages the Departments of the Interior, Commerce and > Agriculture to use energy efficient vehicle technologies, including > biodiesel. The Energy Bill states that biodiesel is eligible for > the Clean Bus program that the Environmental Protection Agency > (EPA) administers for schools. > > On August 10, the President signed into law the Transportation > Bill, which contains funding critical to ensure acceptance of > biodiesel in future diesel engines. Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO), chairman > of the Senate Transportation and Infrastructure subcommittee, > helped secure an $8 million program for biodiesel research to be > conducted by the National Biodiesel Board. > > Further, in response to an EPA ruling, all engine companies are > currently developing new clean diesel technology that will begin > entering the market in 2007. The bill?s funds, which will be > leveraged with industry dollars, will give the biodiesel industry > the opportunity to incorporate biodiesel into these engine testing > programs. > > Other biodiesel highlights of the bill include the eligibility of > biodiesel under the scope of the Congestion Mitigation Air Quality > (CMAQ) funding program for seven states; changes to the Clean Fuels > Grant Program that specifically list biodiesel as eligible; a grant > program for parks to increase their alternative transportation > projects and an Alternative Fuels Study. > back to top > > > IRS Clarifies Direction on Biodiesel Tax Incentive > > In a move that is expected to increase biodiesel sales, the > Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has issued a modified guidance > document for the biodiesel federal excise tax credit. > > The excise tax credit amounts to a dollar per gallon for ?agri- > biodiesel,? such as that made from soybean oil, and 50 cents per > gallon for biodiesel made from recycled cooking oil. It is taken at > the blender level with the intended effect of lowering the cost of > biodiesel to consumers in taxable and tax exempt markets. > > Although this document is not the final rulemaking, it amends the > initial guidance document (IRS Notice 2005-4) published in December > 2004, by clarifying several specific issues. Those include, among > other things: > Clarification of what constitutes a ?Biodiesel Mixture? (one gallon > of diesel fuel blended into 999 gallons of biodiesel, or ?B99.9?). > > Clarification that a biodiesel mixture includes both dyed and un- > dyed fuel. This means the incentive will apply in the heating oil > market as well as the off-road market. > > Clarification of the biodiesel certification process for sales of > biodiesel through a reseller. This creates a mechanism so that the > tax incentive claimant may obtain the required biodiesel > certificate directly from the biodiesel producer or indirectly from > a biodiesel reseller. > > Provisions for commingling of biodiesel and agri-biodiesel. > > Clarification on eligible feedstocks for agri-biodiesel (palm and > fish oil will qualify for agri-biodiesel incentive). > > Clarifications on applicable forms to claim credit and credit > calculation. > > > To view the IRS guidance, visit http://nbb.org/news/taxincentive/ > Biodiesel%20Notice%202005-62.pdf. > back to top > > > New Uses for Glycerin Could Include Biodegradable Packaging > > Combining glycerol and the agricultural commodity citric acid can > make a new product, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) > announced in August. The USDA Agricultural Research Service (ARS) > discovered that biodegradable packaging from the biodegradable > polymers of this combination could create a new market for glycerin > left over from the production of biodiesel. > > Because one attribute of citric acid is that it is used in the food > industry as a retardant to browning in cut fruits and vegetables, > the new citric acid-based polyesters may prove useful as a > packaging material. The complete text of the news release is posted > at www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=1261. > back to top > > > USDA Suggests Designated Biobased Federal Products > > The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is calling for comments, > with an early September deadline, on their suggested biobased > products for purchase by federal agencies. The Farm Bill of 2002 > called for greater use of biobased products by the federal > government. Under a proposed rule published in July, one of the > many categories is diesel fuel additives. Most of the categories > could not be classified by the size of the potential market, but > the agency did note that the Department of Energy anticipates a > large potential market for the use of biodiesel as a diesel fuel > additive. > > Once the ruling is announced, prospective manufacturers of the > qualifying product can post their product and contact information > on the program?s Web site. Agencies looking to procure products in > those categories will then have to give preference to the biobased > products. The USDA is accepting comments on the diesel fuel > additive category, with the other first five categories, through > September 6. > > Visit the program?s Web site; the proposed rule can be read at > www.biobased.oce.usda.gov/public/pro_regs.cfm. Please give any > comments via www.regulations.gov or use other correspondence means, > per the program?s Web site. > back to top > > > BioTrucker.com: A New Resource for Truckers > > The over the road truck drivers? market has expanded rapidly > recently, and in response to their growing demand for biodiesel > information, the National Biodiesel Board has created a new Web > site: www.biotrucker.com. > > Willie Nelson Biodiesel, the company formed by the widely adored > singer and biodiesel promoter, as well as the recent federal > biodiesel tax incentive, played a substantial part in feeding the > interest of truckers. > > Truckers will have access to facts, news and availability of > biodiesel, as well as other general trucking news. They will also > be able to join discussion boards and check road, traffic and > weather conditions, and other links useful to their industry. > back to top > > > Register for 2006 National Biodiesel Conf. & Expo > > Registration is up and running for the third annual National > Biodiesel Conference & Expo to be held in San Diego Feb. 5-8, 2006 > in San Diego. A new Web site, www.biodieselconference.org is > devoted to registration for this annually growing event, as well as > the most up to date information on the offerings of the conference. > > The premier level of education on biodiesel is available at the > conference sessions in tracks such as marketing, users, technical, > petroleum and original equipment manufacturers. > > With an already large list of exhibitors confirmed, this promises > to be yet another enriching conference with networking and > educational opportunities. With Super Bowl Sunday setting the tone > during the conference, there?s plenty of room for catching some > entertainment, too. > back to top > > > Indiana Welcomes its First Biodiesel Plant > > Indiana will soon have its first soy biodiesel production facility, > in rural east central Indiana. Integrity Biofuels selected this > Shelby County town of Morristown because it is located near Bunge > North America?s Morristown facility, one of eight soybean > processing plants in the state. > > ?As we looked at potential production facility sites throughout the > Midwest, we found a match in Morristown,? said Integrity Biofuels > CEO Charles Whittington. ?In this site, we had access to an > adequate supply of high-quality refined soybean oil, which is the > key ingredient to soy biodiesel production. We also found in > Morristown a Chamber of Commerce and a town board that welcomed our > renewable fuel company with community support, an infrastructure > critical for long-term business success, and valued tax incentives.? > > Integrity Biofuels, a member of the National Biodiesel Board, has > purchased an existing building/warehouse and expects to be in the > business of selling the domestic fuel by early 2006, said > Whittington, a Hoosier native. Indiana?s first biodiesel production > facility will employee five to seven workers and produce 10 million > gallons of biodiesel annually though company officials are already > making plans to grow annual production. In its first year of > production, Integrity Biofuels will utilize 6.7 million bushels of > Hoosier soybeans. > > ?We are clearly excited to have Indiana?s first biodiesel > production plant announced,? said Chris Novak, Executive Director > of the Indiana Soybean Board. ?It comes at a critical time in > Indiana based upon the growing demand. This plant will help us meet > consumer enthusiasm for biodiesel. The launching of Indiana?s first > biodiesel production plant has truly been a team effort with strong > support and investment coming from state government, coupled with > the investment of Indiana?s soybean producer checkoff dollars to > help build the distribution infrastructure for biodiesel at retail > pumps.? > > Within the state borders, Hoosiers purchased nearly 400,000 gallons > of biodiesel last year. In 2005, the Indiana Soybean Board > estimates that Hoosier diesel owners will demand close to 4 million > gallons of pure biodiesel. The biodiesel offered to Indiana > distillate customers today is primarily produced in Ohio or Iowa. > back to top > > > Biodiesel to make Encore Performance at Farm Aid > > Farm Aid will be using biodiesel in its all-star lineup again this > year. Willie Nelson, Farm Aid President, has been a longtime > proponent of the renewable fuel and has formed his own biodiesel > company in the past year, Willie Nelson Biodiesel. The concert for > family farmers is hosted by Nelson, Neil Young, John Mellencamp and > Dave Matthews, the artists who make up its board of directors. The > Tweeter Center in Tinley Park, Ill., will be the Sept. 18 venue. > > In addition to biodiesel use in the generators at Farm Aid for the > second year, the National Biodiesel Board plans to have an > involvement at the series of events on Farm Aid weekend. > > Stepan Co. of Northfield, Ill., will supply the B100 fuel for the > generators. For more information about Farm Aid?s concerts or > events in the week leading up to Sept. 18, visit www.farmaid.org. > back to top > > > Coolfuel Roadtrip Series Rolls with Biodiesel > > The "Coolfuel Roadtrip" is unveiling its travels to a TV audience > in October. Under the former name of Eco-Trekker, this group of > Australians traveled over 16,000 miles on a road trip across the > U.S. using renewable fuels to reach their destinations. One of the > Coolfuel episodes will feature biodiesel, but all of the shows have > biodiesel, through its use in support vehicles. > > The show has been picked up by several networks and will be airing > starting September 9 in 65 percent of the United States, with the > possibility of spreading to other markets as well, and re-airing at > later dates. You can get a listing of stations in your area that > will be carrying "Coolfuel Roadtrip," and details of the show, by > going to www.coolfuelroadtrip.com and clicking on the 'Station > Listings' icon at the top of the page. > > The creators of the series do not know exactly what order each > station will air the episodes, but the first four weeks will be > episodes 1-4 (see episode guides on the Web site). The networks > have advised the Coolfuel crew that episode 2, featuring biodiesel, > airs the weekend of September 17-18. The episodes are broken down > into fuels used, and areas of the country that were visited, on the > Web site at www.coolfuelroadtriptv.com/episode.html. > > The National Biodiesel Board helped the Coolfuel Roadtrip crew with > support along the way. > back to top > > > Georgia Gets its First Biodiesel Pump > > The Peach State has broken into the biodiesel retail pump market > with its first biodiesel pump, in a B20 (twenty percent biodiesel, > 80 percent diesel) blend in Rome. Enterprise Oil Co. is marketing > this U.S. Biofuels product to Rock-It BP, the home of the state?s > first biodiesel pump. This 24-hour BP station is a truck stop with > large truck access. > > U.S. Biofuels is a producer of biodiesel and a member of the > National Biodiesel Board. > back to top > > > Upcoming Events > > > > Renewable Finance 2005 Infocast > Sept. 8, 2005 > Sheraton Colonial Hotel and Gold Club > infocastinc.com > > > BioCycle Conf. on Renewable Energy-Organics Recycling > Sept. 12 > Madison, Wisconsin > jgpress.com/conferences1/conferences1.html > > > Transport and Sustainable Mobility > Sept. 19 > Brussels, Belgium > euconferences.com > > > Energy Independence Days (North Carolina) > (Regional Wind Summit, The End of Oil Beginning Now, Summit of > Colleges for Sustainability, and Fair) > September 19-24, 2005 > NC State University and Central Carolina Comm. College > Raleigh, NC and Pittsboro, NC > > > Refueling America workshop and luncheon > Sept. 21 > NC State University > www.trianglecleancities.org > > > Annual Meeting Biodiesel Congress > IBC - International Business Communications > October 17-18 > Rio de Janeiro > Ph. 5511 30176888 > biodiesel@ibcbrasil.com.br > www.ibcbrasil.com.br/biodiesel > > > 2005 World Biofuels Symposium-China > Nov. 13-15 > Beijing > www.worldbiofuelssymposium.com > > > World Methanol Conference > Dec. 12 > South Beach, Fla. > www.cmaiglobal.com/index.html?conference/2005WMC/confwmc.htm > > > National Biodiesel Conference > Feb. 5-8, 2005 > San Diego > www.biodieselconference.org > back to top > > Contact Us > > Jenna Higgins, Director of Communications > jhiggins@biodiesel.orgBev Thessen, Information Coordinator > bthessen@biodiesel.org > > > This bulletin is also available in PDF format online at > http://www.biodiesel.org/news/bulletin/ > back to to > From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Fri Sep 2 23:15:00 2005 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark Ambrose) Date: Fri Sep 2 22:06:58 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Renewable Energy Tax Credits In-Reply-To: <4317AC0C.7070701@alumni.princeton.edu> References: <43160BD0.9040301@safenet-inc.com> <4317AC0C.7070701@alumni.princeton.edu> Message-ID: <43190724.1030705@alumni.princeton.edu> Good news. I just found out that not only did the State legislature renew the tax credits last week, but they also expanded them. The max. tax credit for commercial renewable energy systems has been increased from $250,000 to $2,500,000. Also, for folks considering home solar systems, next year is the year to do them. NC has a 35% tax credit that applies to solar hot water and photovoltaic systems (among other things). In 2006 and 2007 there will also be a 30% federal tax credit available to folks installing solar hot water or photovoltaic systems. The way the 2 credits combine mean that homeowners will be able to recover about 55% of the costs of a ty[ical solar hot water system. That would cut the payback period for such a system down to around 5 yrs. -- Mark Mark Ambrose wrote: > While visiting the NC Dept. of Revenue web page today, I noticed that > NC's 35% tax credit on renewable energy systems is set to sunset on > Jan 1st of 2006. Does anyone know if the legislature renewed those > tax credits this session? > > Also, I don't know how this tax credit might be used by the Coop, but > if it wasn't renewed, the credit applies to the cost of equipment "put > in service" by Dec 31, 2005. > >> 2. We are probably a year away from having local production online >> (1-4 million gallons/year facility) >> > From vidrinmr at wfu.edu Sat Sep 3 03:09:01 2005 From: vidrinmr at wfu.edu (Robert Vidrine) Date: Sat Sep 3 02:08:33 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Oil Can Harry-style ethanol recipe opinions? Message-ID: <43193DFD.3060103@wfu.edu> I am new to biofuels, and am looking for an way to produce diesel-like biofuel with closer-to-total petroleum independence than the methanol biodiesel recipes would seem to allow. (I've read so much on this recently, I'm not sure where I read this figure, but read recently that 98% of methanol is produced from petroleum sources... I'm guessing this is from methane?) Oil Can Harry's recipe (the "Master's Formula") uses ethanol, which I potentially could produce myself, and is non-toxic. Of course, in some perhaps very important ways, the fuel isn't as "clean" in that the glycerine is being forced through the injectors, etc. and burned along with ethanol, unconverted WVO and transesterified WVO. But then again... I'm currently using filtered WVO with NO conversion, so even though in some ways this seems "dirtier" than high-quality BioD made with methanol, it could be considered a step up, perhaps... Right? Thanks! Robert From wrenchwench at blast.com Sat Sep 3 09:50:32 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sat Sep 3 08:50:34 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Register NOW for Sustainability Fair and SAVE$ References: Message-ID: <8B581439-4D82-4F5F-AF21-20D594CC481A@blast.com> > > SUSTAINABILITY FAIR > Saturday, September 24, 2005 > Central Carolina Community College, Pittsboro Campus > Saturday Workshops & Exhibits (8:00 - 4:00) > Register for the workshop by 9/9/05 and save $25. Early > registration for Saturday workshops $35 - price includes lunch. > Walk-in registration $60. > The Central Carolina Community College (CCCC) Sustainability Fair > will demonstrate and explore many areas of sustainability through > Workshops & Exhibits. Exhibits on the Pittsboro CCCC Campus will > feature a variety of sustainable products, processes and hands-on > demos. On Saturday, also, you can register to attend a series of > half-day workshops exploring sustainable practices in agriculture, > building, transportation & land/water conservancy. > > Attend the Saturday Workshops and you will learn: > * Sustainable Agriculture-Urban permaculture, organic compost > * Sustainable Transportation & Renewable Energy--biofuels & > electric cars > * Sustainable Building--green building & natural building > * Land and Water Conservancy > > Who should attend the Sustainability Fair? > > Sponsored by: > * Central Carolina Community College > * Piedmont Biofuels > > Registration Fees: > $35 Saturday Workshops (includes lunch) > $60 Friday Tour (see link below) and Saturday workshops > Free: General Admission is FREE to the outdoor Fair Exhibits > http://www.cccc.edu/Sustainability/index.html > Exhibit Space and Sponsorship Opportunities are Available! > The cost for exhibits is $25 per booth. Event sponsorships are > available at Green $100, Blue Sky $250 & Global $2,000 levels. If > your organization is interested in this unique opportunity to > advertise your services and products, please contact our office to > reserve an exhibit space or to arrange a sponsorship. > > To register for Workshops & Tour > & for more information on Exhibits & Sponsorships, contact: > Sandra McMahon, smcmahon@cccc.edu > 919-542-6495 ext 224 or > Continuing Education Office at CCCC > 919-542-6495 x223 > > http://www.cccc.edu/Sustainability/index.html > From wrenchwench at blast.com Sat Sep 3 10:12:20 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sat Sep 3 09:12:31 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] DOE Awards $5.4 Million for Clean Cities Program Efforts Message-ID: <91989007-939F-43FE-A5CB-DC4B6B680B9B@blast.com> DOE Awards $5.4 Million for Clean Cities Program Efforts Department of Energy (DOE) secretary Samuel Bodman announced earlier this week that DOE will provide $16.5 million for 178 energy efficiency and renewable energy projects in 42 states, including $5.4 million for 70 Clean Cities Program projects. According to DOE, the Clean Cities Program funding will be used to support alternative fuels and alternative fuel vehicle (AFV) projects that promote AFV infrastructure development; promote AFVs; promote the acquisition of AFV school buses and refueling stations for the buses; promote the reduction and/or elimination of idling of heavy-duty vehicles and school buses; support Clean Cities coalition activities; and promote sustainable heavy-duty hybrid electric vehicle fleet markets. DOE noted that the $16.5 million will also be used to improve the energy efficiency of schools, homes and other buildings; promote energy-efficient industrial technologies; and support renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and biomass. The funding for the projects is being provided through DOE State Energy Program Special Projects competitive grants, and will be awarded this month. Summaries of State Energy Program sponsored projects by state can be found online at http:// www.eere.energy.gov/ state_energy_program/projects_all_state.cfm. Contact: DOE, website http://www.energy.gov. From wrenchwench at blast.com Sat Sep 3 10:13:42 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sat Sep 3 09:13:32 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Study Finds Blue Sun Biodiesel Results in Decreased Emissions Message-ID: <5E6D908B-A150-4AAA-9EE7-5A0A98F4AEDC@blast.com> Study Finds Blue Sun Biodiesel Results in Decreased Emissions The results of a study recently conducted by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) indicate that use of Blue Sun Biodiesel LLC's B20 fuel blend decreased emissions in four major air pollutant categories, compared to typical B20 blends. Specifically, NREL tests reveal that Blue Sun B20 reduced carbon monoxide by 32 percent, hydrocarbons by 40 percent and particulate matter by 24 percent. This compares to other biodiesel studies, finding reductions in the same pollutants of 12.6, 11 and 18 percent, respectively. According to Blue Sun, the company's B20 blend, a mixture of 80 percent low-sulfur diesel, 20 percent biodiesel and a proprietary eco-additive that increases cetane, storage life and performance, is capable of operating at temperatures as low as negative 30 degrees Fahrenheit. NREL conducted the study by testing Blue Sun B20 in five buses operated by Denver's Regional Transportation District, compared to four buses running on conventional diesel. Contact: Blue Sun, website http://www.gobluesun.com. From tengu at unc.edu Fri Sep 2 19:07:41 2005 From: tengu at unc.edu (tengu) Date: Sat Sep 3 09:19:57 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Can this generator start using oil? Message-ID: <4318CD2D.7000701@unc.edu> Because there's more vegetable oil than sulfur diesel in New Orleans: Cummins Onan 750dfha 844 serial 800065069 more details at: http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/35313.html He seems determined to stay, responsive and competent. Is the generator similar enough to a Cummins truck engine to use a vormax kit or such? Can new oil be added to the tank then replaced with sulfur diesel (he's got a large supply.) There's also the problem of stopping the engine; he's only got the one, and is (if you can believe it) running an internet hosting company from 650 Poydras, a few blocks from the Superdome. Guess that's why they call Guaranteed Uptime Support GUTS. no kiddin', tengu --- http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_hydro.html From tcrawley at gmail.com Sat Sep 3 19:10:27 2005 From: tcrawley at gmail.com (Tobias Crawley) Date: Sun Sep 4 12:18:14 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel International short bus for sale in Mars Hill, NC Message-ID: <82a8415805090315104b3d9ed6@mail.gmail.com> I was over in Mars Hill this morning, and spotted a bus for sale. Here are the details I could get from just looking at it: International Diesel short bus, ~124k miles, wheel chair lift, looked to be in good shape inside and out. It was in a parking lot at Mars Hill College, but the affiliation on the sides had been painted over. The for sale sign only had a number: 828-689-1162 -- Tobias O. Crawley / tcrawley@gmail.com / http://tobiascrawley.net/ "Arrogance is quoting yourself." - Tobias O. Crawley "Ignorance is quoting others." - Aaron T. Dixon From vidrinmr at wfu.edu Mon Sep 5 05:57:07 2005 From: vidrinmr at wfu.edu (Robert Vidrine) Date: Mon Sep 5 04:56:35 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Incentives & Laws: State Summary Message-ID: <431C0863.3040708@wfu.edu> Am I missing something, or wouldn't Piedmont Biofuels qualify for this $1/gallon tax credit for agri-biodiesel? (agri-biodiesel is evidently defined as "from virgin oil"...) Just wondering... (It seems like there are other credits, but today, listening to my first tour, I heard that the commercial BioD that the coop sells has about $.50 tax built into it.) Robert From depowell at email.unc.edu Mon Sep 5 14:16:14 2005 From: depowell at email.unc.edu (depowell@email.unc.edu) Date: Mon Sep 5 13:19:30 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) Message-ID: <63BC1A01A79A2F0AC5980127@[192.168.1.97]> Dear biofuels list - I have a 98 VW Jetta that I want to try to sell - so I can upgrade to a turbo diesel engine Volkswagon and run it on biofuel. Has anyone else done this recently? Would you recommend trying to trade-in my current car through the dealership or take another route? -DP ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:27 PM -0400 From: biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net To: depowell@email.unc.edu Subject: Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list Welcome to the Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net General information about the mailing list is at: http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://lists.emji.net/mailman/options/biofuels_interest_group/depowell%40em ail.unc.edu You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: Biofuels_Interest_Group-request@lists.emji.net with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: upvasu Normally, Mailman will remind you of your lists.emji.net mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- From ma at snowcamp.org Mon Sep 5 14:48:45 2005 From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold) Date: Mon Sep 5 13:48:16 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel In-Reply-To: <431C0863.3040708@wfu.edu> References: <431C0863.3040708@wfu.edu> Message-ID: Friends, (My apologies for what might seem like an obvious question, since everyone is doing it) I have looked around a bit, but haven't really found a definitive statement about on-road use of either home-brewed or commercial biodiesel. What are the requirements (for on-road taxes) for commercial biodiesel and are there any requirements for home-brewed fuel? Do these requirements differ from state to state? At the entrance to the horse show grounds at the NCState Fairgrounds, we were stopped for diesel fuel testing. We were in a hurry and asked if we had to submit to the test ... we didn't have to, but it is an automatic $1000 fine, were were clean green, so just allowed the testing. I understand the fine for using off-road (i.e. red-dyed diesel) can range up to $10,000. Has anyone been stopped and tested? thanks, Mike Arnold. From ma at snowcamp.org Mon Sep 5 15:56:22 2005 From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold) Date: Mon Sep 5 14:55:53 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel In-Reply-To: <431C8AA9.7060406@nc.rr.com> References: <431C0863.3040708@wfu.edu> <431C8AA9.7060406@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: At 2:12 PM -0400 9/5/05, Bill Knighton wrote: >Was entry to the fair grounds the reason for testing or can they do >this anywhere? What did the test consist of? The test wasn't associated with the fairgrounds, per se, just a good place to find diesel trucks (at a horse show). As I understand it, they can test anywhere and recently heard a report from a friend that was pulled over in Gibsonville for a random check. As I understand it, they are testing to see if there was any off-road (i.e. red-dyed, non-taxed diesel) in the tank. (taxed diesel is green-dyed). They put some sort of small tube/strip into the tank to take a very small sample of fuel. Mike. From tbb10785 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 5 20:01:40 2005 From: tbb10785 at hotmail.com (Bruce Brown) Date: Mon Sep 5 15:01:07 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Earthaven - Black Mountain, NC In-Reply-To: <63BC1A01A79A2F0AC5980127@[192.168.1.97]> Message-ID: Hello, Has anyone on this list visited the solar community of Earthaven (http://www.earthaven.org/) close to Asheville, NC ? If so, and your willing to share info, please drop me a note off the list (so we wont' clutter it up). FYI, we're hoping to sale our home in Pittsboro and move to the Asheville area. Thanks, Bruce Brown tbb10785@hotmail.com From richmason at mindspring.com Mon Sep 5 17:28:10 2005 From: richmason at mindspring.com (Rich Mason) Date: Mon Sep 5 16:28:01 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) References: <63BC1A01A79A2F0AC5980127@[192.168.1.97]> Message-ID: <013001c5b258$55e75fa0$6401a8c0@RichMason> You can also put a diesel engine in your current Jetta. Quality German Auto Parts has 1.9 D and TD engines that they bring in from Europe for just such a swap. You also need a few other things but if your current Jetta is paid for and in good shape and you have $4k or so to spend, you could go that route. I dd this for my gasoline 85 Vanagon with a 1.6 TD engine. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) > Dear biofuels list - > > I have a 98 VW Jetta that I want to try to sell - so I can upgrade to a > turbo diesel engine Volkswagon and run it on biofuel. Has anyone else done > this recently? Would you recommend trying to trade-in my current car > through the dealership or take another route? > > -DP > > ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ > Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:27 PM -0400 > From: biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net > To: depowell@email.unc.edu > Subject: Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list > > Welcome to the Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net mailing list! > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > subscription page at: > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/options/biofuels_interest_group/depowell%40em > ail.unc.edu > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > Biofuels_Interest_Group-request@lists.emji.net > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. 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There is also a button on > your options page that will email your current password to you. > > ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Sep 5 19:21:36 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Sep 5 18:21:01 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Display opportunity Refueling America Sept 21 References: Message-ID: <93AE60C2-59C6-4C1D-88C4-F4C7477E2281@blast.com> > > REGISTER NOW for a table top display or to have a ride n drive > vehicle at the > > Refueling America workshop and luncheon on Sept 21st in Raleigh. > > > > Time is running out to let others know about what you are doing to > support sustainable transportation solutions for North Carolina! > > > > Display opportunities are FREE. Complete attached registration form > and return by Sept 9th to assure space. Payment is required to > attend the workshop and luncheon, unless you are a sponsor of the > event. For sponsorship opportunities call 919-513-7831. To register > for workshop and luncheon visit www.trianglecleancities.org > > > > Don't miss what's sure to be a premier event for a timely subject- > REFUELING AMERICA with transportation fuel alternatives! > > > > Join: > > > > American Lung Association of NC > > Analytical Professionals > > Advanced Energy > > Texas Refinery Corportation Lubricants Consultant > > UNC -CH Sustainability Office > > Novozymes > > Piedmont Biofuels > > DENR/Division of Air Quality > > Triangle Clean Citeis Coalition > > Global Electric Motorcars, LLC > > Volvo Trucks, NA > > > > with your display and/or vehicle. > > > > Anne Tazewell > > Alternative Fuels Program Manager > > NC Solar Center, NCSU > > Campus Box 7902 > > Raleigh, NC 27695-7902 > > phone: 919-513-7831 > > fax: 919-515-6159 > > anne_tazewell@ncsu.edu > > > > Visit www.NCAltfuels.blogspot.com > > - a forum for alternative fuels and advanced technology vehicles > in North Carolina > > > -------------- next part -------------- From natureinspiredhuman at yahoo.com Mon Sep 5 16:50:27 2005 From: natureinspiredhuman at yahoo.com (David Prins) Date: Mon Sep 5 18:49:54 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) In-Reply-To: <63BC1A01A79A2F0AC5980127@[192.168.1.97]> Message-ID: <20050905225027.53262.qmail@web61116.mail.yahoo.com> I have been to a dealer to explore the option of trade-in and the purchase of a new (or almost new) turbo diesel Golf. I was interested to find out that running anything over B05, or 5% biodiesel, will void the car's manufacturer warrenty for anything involved with the fuel system, including fuel lines, cubustion parts, and exhaust. It may be worth it. Another option is to find a 2001-2003 model that has a good performance record....the warrenty will be of less value. David Prins --- depowell@email.unc.edu wrote: > Dear biofuels list - > > I have a 98 VW Jetta that I want to try to sell - so > I can upgrade to a > turbo diesel engine Volkswagon and run it on > biofuel. Has anyone else done > this recently? Would you recommend trying to > trade-in my current car > through the dealership or take another route? > > -DP > > ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ > Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:27 PM -0400 > From: biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net > To: depowell@email.unc.edu > Subject: Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" > mailing list > > Welcome to the > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net mailing list! > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your > options (eg, switch to > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), > visit your > subscription page at: > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/options/biofuels_interest_group/depowell%40em > ail.unc.edu > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by > sending a message to: > > Biofuels_Interest_Group-request@lists.emji.net > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't > include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with > instructions. > > You must know your password to change your options > (including changing > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > upvasu > > Normally, Mailman will remind you of your > lists.emji.net mailing list > passwords once every month, although you can disable > this if you > prefer. This reminder will also include > instructions on how to > unsubscribe or change your account options. There > is also a button on > your options page that will email your current > password to you. > > ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From richmason at mindspring.com Mon Sep 5 21:22:02 2005 From: richmason at mindspring.com (Rich Mason) Date: Mon Sep 5 20:21:52 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) References: <20050905225027.53262.qmail@web61116.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c5b279$012b2980$6401a8c0@RichMason> The jury is still out I believe on the question of warranty coverage for biodiesel in VWs. There has been much discussion of this on the TDI forums. When we take our 2003 TDI in for warranty service, I just remove the biodiesel license plate frame and fill it up with dino diesel. You won't see the dealer very often as the TDIs go 15k miles between oil changes and the warranty expires at 50k. Unless you have a problem specifically related to biodiesel and they can prove that biodiesel caused the problem (very rare), its a non-issue. Don't ask, don't tell. There has also been some discussion about the 2004+ TDIs being able to burn biodiesel due to the different injection system. All of this is covered in full on the TDI forums. Do a search. They also have a classifieds section. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Prins" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) > > I have been to a dealer to explore the option of > trade-in and the purchase of a new (or almost new) > turbo diesel Golf. I was interested to find out that > running anything over B05, or 5% biodiesel, will void > the car's manufacturer warrenty for anything involved > with the fuel system, including fuel lines, cubustion > parts, and exhaust. It may be worth it. Another > option is to find a 2001-2003 model that has a good > performance record....the warrenty will be of less > value. > > David Prins > > > --- depowell@email.unc.edu wrote: > >> Dear biofuels list - >> >> I have a 98 VW Jetta that I want to try to sell - so >> I can upgrade to a >> turbo diesel engine Volkswagon and run it on >> biofuel. Has anyone else done >> this recently? Would you recommend trying to >> trade-in my current car >> through the dealership or take another route? >> >> -DP >> >> ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ >> Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:27 PM -0400 >> From: biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net >> To: depowell@email.unc.edu >> Subject: Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" >> mailing list >> >> Welcome to the >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net mailing list! >> >> To post to this list, send your email to: >> >> biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net >> >> General information about the mailing list is at: >> >> >> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your >> options (eg, switch to >> or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), >> visit your >> subscription page at: >> >> >> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/options/biofuels_interest_group/depowell%40em >> ail.unc.edu >> >> >> You can also make such adjustments via email by >> sending a message to: >> >> Biofuels_Interest_Group-request@lists.emji.net >> >> with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't >> include the >> quotes), and you will get back a message with >> instructions. >> >> You must know your password to change your options >> (including changing >> the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: >> >> upvasu >> >> Normally, Mailman will remind you of your >> lists.emji.net mailing list >> passwords once every month, although you can disable >> this if you >> prefer. This reminder will also include >> instructions on how to >> unsubscribe or change your account options. There >> is also a button on >> your options page that will email your current >> password to you. >> >> ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From biodiesel at yovo.info Mon Sep 5 21:56:12 2005 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Mon Sep 5 20:55:47 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) In-Reply-To: <001101c5b279$012b2980$6401a8c0@RichMason> References: <20050905225027.53262.qmail@web61116.mail.yahoo.com> <001101c5b279$012b2980$6401a8c0@RichMason> Message-ID: <431CE92C.6060908@yovo.info> As far as I know, the manufacturer cannot void warranties due to use of biodiesel per se - the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act prohibits that. http://www.earthshipbiodiesel.com/magnuson.php The only caveat I can see here is that if you run your vehicle on homebrew and the manufacturer can prove that poor quality fuel caused your fuel system to fail. However, commercial, ASTM-grade biodiesel should be warranted by the manufacturer of the fuel, so if THAT produces a failure, you know where to go. At least that seems to be the theory ... Jurgen Rich Mason wrote: > The jury is still out I believe on the question of warranty coverage for > biodiesel in VWs. There has been much discussion of this on the TDI > forums. When we take our 2003 TDI in for warranty service, I just remove > the biodiesel license plate frame and fill it up with dino diesel. You > won't see the dealer very often as the TDIs go 15k miles between oil > changes and the warranty expires at 50k. Unless you have a problem > specifically related to biodiesel and they can prove that biodiesel > caused the problem (very rare), its a non-issue. Don't ask, don't > tell. There has also been some discussion about the 2004+ TDIs being > able to burn biodiesel due to the different injection system. All of > this is covered in full on the TDI forums. Do a search. They also have > a classifieds section. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Prins" > > To: > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to > the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) > > >> >> I have been to a dealer to explore the option of >> trade-in and the purchase of a new (or almost new) >> turbo diesel Golf. I was interested to find out that >> running anything over B05, or 5% biodiesel, will void >> the car's manufacturer warrenty for anything involved >> with the fuel system, including fuel lines, cubustion >> parts, and exhaust. It may be worth it. Another >> option is to find a 2001-2003 model that has a good >> performance record....the warrenty will be of less >> value. >> >> David Prins >> >> >> --- depowell@email.unc.edu wrote: >> >>> Dear biofuels list - >>> >>> I have a 98 VW Jetta that I want to try to sell - so >>> I can upgrade to a >>> turbo diesel engine Volkswagon and run it on >>> biofuel. Has anyone else done >>> this recently? Would you recommend trying to >>> trade-in my current car >>> through the dealership or take another route? >>> >>> -DP >>> >>> ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ >>> Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:27 PM -0400 >>> From: biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net >>> To: depowell@email.unc.edu >>> Subject: Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" >>> mailing list >>> >>> Welcome to the >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net mailing list! >>> >>> To post to this list, send your email to: >>> >>> biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net >>> >>> General information about the mailing list is at: >>> >>> >>> >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >>> >>> If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your >>> options (eg, switch to >>> or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), >>> visit your >>> subscription page at: >>> >>> >>> >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/options/biofuels_interest_group/depowell%40em >> >> >>> ail.unc.edu >>> >>> >>> You can also make such adjustments via email by >>> sending a message to: >>> >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group-request@lists.emji.net >>> >>> with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't >>> include the >>> quotes), and you will get back a message with >>> instructions. >>> >>> You must know your password to change your options >>> (including changing >>> the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: >>> >>> upvasu >>> >>> Normally, Mailman will remind you of your >>> lists.emji.net mailing list >>> passwords once every month, although you can disable >>> this if you >>> prefer. This reminder will also include >>> instructions on how to >>> unsubscribe or change your account options. There >>> is also a button on >>> your options page that will email your current >>> password to you. >>> >>> ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wooster at coastalnet.com Mon Sep 5 22:04:16 2005 From: wooster at coastalnet.com (BENJAMIN F BARNES) Date: Mon Sep 5 21:03:44 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) Message-ID: <410-220059261416781@coastalnet.com> Everyone I am planning shortly to convert an 84 300DT Mercedes to run on WVO. There are several kits available, I would like to hear from members who have done this and get info on the pluses and minuses of the various avalable kits. Thanks Ben > [Original Message] > From: Rich Mason > To: ; > Date: 9/5/2005 4:28:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) > > You can also put a diesel engine in your current Jetta. Quality German Auto > Parts has 1.9 D and TD engines that they bring in from Europe for just such > a swap. You also need a few other things but if your current Jetta is paid > for and in good shape and you have $4k or so to spend, you could go that > route. I dd this for my gasoline 85 Vanagon with a 1.6 TD engine. > > Rich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:16 PM > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" > mailing list (fwd) > > > > Dear biofuels list - > > > > I have a 98 VW Jetta that I want to try to sell - so I can upgrade to a > > turbo diesel engine Volkswagon and run it on biofuel. Has anyone else done > > this recently? Would you recommend trying to trade-in my current car > > through the dealership or take another route? > > > > -DP > > > > ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ > > Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:27 PM -0400 > > From: biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net > > To: depowell@email.unc.edu > > Subject: Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list > > > > Welcome to the Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net mailing list! > > > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > > > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > > subscription page at: > > > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/options/biofuels_interest_group/depowell%40em > > ail.unc.edu > > > > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group-request@lists.emji.net > > > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > > > upvasu > > > > Normally, Mailman will remind you of your lists.emji.net mailing list > > passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you > > prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to > > unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on > > your options page that will email your current password to you. > > > > ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Tue Sep 6 00:05:50 2005 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark Ambrose) Date: Mon Sep 5 22:58:00 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel In-Reply-To: References: <431C0863.3040708@wfu.edu> Message-ID: <431D078E.9040606@alumni.princeton.edu> As I understand it, the taxes are supposed to be paid on all motor fuels used in on-road vehicles. If you buy commercial biodiesel, the taxes are built into the costs of the fuel, the same as with regular petro-doesel. If you run your car on home-brew or WVO, you are supposed to track how much you use and file a form and send in the taxes (quarterly, I think but maybe annually). AFAIK, you should have no problem if you are tested and have biodiesel in your tank. They are looking for the red dye in the off-road diesel. I am told that the dye is designed to leave a residue in your fuel system, so that evidence of use of off-road diesel fuel remains for a time after that tank of fuel is used up. Mike Arnold wrote: > Friends, > > (My apologies for what might seem like an obvious question, since > everyone is doing it) > > I have looked around a bit, but haven't really found a definitive > statement about on-road use of either home-brewed or commercial > biodiesel. What are the requirements (for on-road taxes) for > commercial biodiesel and are there any requirements for home-brewed > fuel? Do these requirements differ from state to state? > > At the entrance to the horse show grounds at the NCState Fairgrounds, > we were stopped for diesel fuel testing. We were in a hurry and asked > if we had to submit to the test ... we didn't have to, but it is an > automatic $1000 fine, were were clean green, so just allowed the > testing. I understand the fine for using off-road (i.e. red-dyed > diesel) can range up to $10,000. > > Has anyone been stopped and tested? > > thanks, > Mike Arnold. > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From agiles at cape.com Tue Sep 6 08:42:22 2005 From: agiles at cape.com (Allen Giles) Date: Tue Sep 6 07:41:23 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel In-Reply-To: <431D078E.9040606@alumni.princeton.edu> Message-ID: <200509061141.j86Bfrsq030032@kimba.cape.com> You do not have to pay Fed excise tax on SVO or B100. You might have to pay state and local. SVO is not recognized as a fuel by the Fed's, thus not subject to excise tax. B100 is exempt from excise tax. B99.9 is subject to excise tax. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Mark Ambrose Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:06 PM To: Mike Arnold Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel As I understand it, the taxes are supposed to be paid on all motor fuels used in on-road vehicles. If you buy commercial biodiesel, the taxes are built into the costs of the fuel, the same as with regular petro-doesel. If you run your car on home-brew or WVO, you are supposed to track how much you use and file a form and send in the taxes (quarterly, I think but maybe annually). AFAIK, you should have no problem if you are tested and have biodiesel in your tank. They are looking for the red dye in the off-road diesel. I am told that the dye is designed to leave a residue in your fuel system, so that evidence of use of off-road diesel fuel remains for a time after that tank of fuel is used up. Mike Arnold wrote: > Friends, > > (My apologies for what might seem like an obvious question, since > everyone is doing it) > > I have looked around a bit, but haven't really found a definitive > statement about on-road use of either home-brewed or commercial > biodiesel. What are the requirements (for on-road taxes) for > commercial biodiesel and are there any requirements for home-brewed > fuel? Do these requirements differ from state to state? > > At the entrance to the horse show grounds at the NCState Fairgrounds, > we were stopped for diesel fuel testing. We were in a hurry and asked > if we had to submit to the test ... we didn't have to, but it is an > automatic $1000 fine, were were clean green, so just allowed the > testing. I understand the fine for using off-road (i.e. red-dyed > diesel) can range up to $10,000. > > Has anyone been stopped and tested? > > thanks, > Mike Arnold. > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 6 15:57:05 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 6 14:56:23 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Not just Seed Saving! (New course offered) References: <000d01c5b2f8$8cf70680$4910010a@douglasfqhzyq3> Message-ID: <846596C6-D268-473A-BB57-6306EC5DFAE1@blast.com> > > Hey folks, > > I just wanted to make sure everyone knows about the new course I?m > offering, TECHNIQUES AND PRACTICES FOR SEED SAVING, which starts > this Thursday, 3-6 pm. It?s a Continuing Ed course in the > Sustainable Farming Program at CCCC Pittsboro. Ten weeks costs you > a mere $56.25, total. Besides a wealth of information, YOU GET TO > TAKE HOME SEEDS of any of the 90-some varieties we have saved, out > of 225 varieties actually grown in 04-05. > > I also wanted to point out that the class will cover MUCH MORE THAN > SEED SAVING TECHNIQUES; we?ll also dip into the limitless creative > possibilities of backyard plant breeding and adapting varieties to > our soil and climate. > > Here?s the actual description we posted in the Course Listing: > > ?This course will focus on seed saving and basic plant breeding > techniques, useful to both growers and backyard gardeners. Students > will learn how to save their own seeds of many vegetables and > grains, and how to improve the gene pool of their crops to adapt > them to our local conditions. We will study such topics as: self > pollinators vs. cross pollinators; isolation distances and > techniques; local climate challenges; selection and crossing for > desirable traits; dry seed and wet seed processing; variety trials; > vegetatively propagated crops; and commercial seed production > possibilities. The instructor, Doug Jones, is the manager of the > Land Lab at CCCC and has considerable seed-saving experience. He > is currently working with over 200 varieties. Students can take > home many kinds of seeds. 9/8/05 to11/10/05, 3 to 6 pm.? (Thursdays) > > There is a growing grassroots movement to take back our seeds from > the few multinational companies who care very little about > preserving and further developing heirloom and locally-adapted > genepools. Small-scale and organic growers have discovered that > their needs are a very low priority in the breeding programs of > those companies. > > Take this class and play a role in this exciting, vital work!! > > Call 919-542-6495 ext. 223 to register, or go to the Continuing Ed. > office in Building 2 - you can even register the same day as the > class starts! > > Doug Jones > > PS - I'm also presenting/leading a discussion on VARIETIES THAT > HAVE WORKED BEST for growers and gardeners in the Carolinas, at the > November CFSA Sustainable Ag Conference in Durham. There will be a > big SEED SWAP table, where you can take seeds even if you don't > have any yet to contribute, under the assumption that you will > catch the seed-saving bug and offer your own seeds in the future. > We will also process and discuss seeds that have potential for production of vegetable oils that can be eaten or used to make Biodiesel fuel. From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Tue Sep 6 13:41:56 2005 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark J Ambrose) Date: Tue Sep 6 15:41:22 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st Message-ID: <20050906194158.3120.fh046.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Folks -- >From different sources I have received info on 2 events, both dealing with renewable energy, both at the NCSU McKimmon Center on Sept. 21st. It is unclear to me to if there are any (many) joint sessions for the events or if they are mostly (completely) seperate. ----------------------------------- Summit of Colleges for Sustainability Details: This Summit is for those interested in creating a more open and cooperative environment among colleges and universities working toward education in sustainability, renewable energy, energy efficiency, green building design and construction. This program will cater to college faculty and administration, student groups and government agencies with an interest in education in sustainable energy. A reception at the NC Solar House will follow in the afternoon. Why you should attend: * Find out academic and workforce development programs already offered in the state * Learn about market-driving programs that will help heighten awareness for sustainable practices and technologies * Listen to sustainability programs in campuses and how they are practicing what they preach * Meet others in the field working towards the same goal Who should attend: * College faculty and administration * Community college representatives * Student groups * State agencies with an interest in education in sustainable energy The Summit is sponsored by the State Energy Office, NC Department of Administration, Earth Fare - The Healthy Supermarket, the UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office, the Center for Energy Research and Technology at NC A&T and Wilson Technical Community College. The summit is part of the Energy Independence Days, brought to you by the NC Solar Center, ASU's Energy Center, Triangle J Council of Government, Central Carolina Community College and Wake Tech Community College, with the support of the State Energy Office, NC Department of Administration, the National Alternative Fuels Training Consortium, the American Lung Association of North Carolina, Earth Fare - The Healthy Supermarket, and the UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office. Registration: $40 admission Free for students (still need to send in a registration form, please) $250 Exhibitors, includes two complimentary registrations. To register, sponsor or exhibit, or for information about the series, contact Lyra Rakusin at lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu or 919-513-7769. ---------------------- Refueling America Jane S. McKimmon Center, North Carolina State University 1101 Gorman Street, Raleigh, NC 27606 September 21, 2005 The state can become an economic and environmental leader by focusing on renewable fuels and advanced transportation technologies. Through the use of biodiesel, ethanol, hybrid electric vehicles and idle reduction strategies, emissions can improve while diversifying and expanding our fuel supply. DRAFT AGENDA: 8:00-9:00 Registration and exhibition displays 9:00- 9:45 Overview ~Why are energy independence and air quality important? What can we do today? 9:45-11:00 Session One ~ Biodiesel and Ethanol Topics will include: how to use the fuel, what applications are appropriate, how to increase use in NC, effects of tax credits, success story from petroleum marketers. 11:15-12:30 Session Two ~ Hybrids/Idle Reduction Topics will include: hybrid industry trends, EPA's Smartway Transportation Program, health effects of smog; success story for idle reduction. 12:30- 2:00 Refueling America Luncheon Keynote Speaker ~ Paul Roberts, author of The End of Oil, examines the history of energy use, the current state of alternative transportation technologies, steep oil prices and the effect of energy policy on national security and foreign relations. 2:00-3:00 Ride-N-Drive/Tour of NC Solar Center Alternative Fuel Vehicle Garage Experience advanced vehicle technologies running on alternative fuels and hybrid systems firsthand. 2:00-3:00 * Session Three ~ Health Effects of Air Quality * denotes tentative agenda item; subject may be incorporated into other sessions REGISTRATION (click here to register): before september 19th after september 19th $35 - workshop and luncheon $40 - workshop and luncheon (as space permits) $25 - luncheon only DISCOUNT: 25% for commercial truck owner/operators, fuel providers and fleet managers for workshop and luncheon. For more information call 919-513-7831 or email anne_tazewell@ncsu.edu From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 6 16:46:29 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 6 15:45:49 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st In-Reply-To: <20050906194158.3120.fh046.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> References: <20050906194158.3120.fh046.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Message-ID: <94E6F3A9-4C04-4E97-9A6B-5E51996A0A3A@blast.com> I believe there is overlap between the afternoon sessions. These events are all part of the Energy Independence Days http://continuingeducation.ncsu.edu/energy-independence-days.htm On Sep 6, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Mark J Ambrose wrote: > Folks -- > > >> From different sources I have received info on 2 >> > events, both dealing with renewable energy, both at the > NCSU McKimmon Center on Sept. 21st. It is unclear to > me to if there are any (many) joint sessions for the > events or if they are mostly (completely) seperate. > > ----------------------------------- > Summit of Colleges for Sustainability > > Details: This Summit is for those interested in > creating a more open and cooperative environment among > colleges and universities working toward education in > sustainability, renewable energy, energy efficiency, > green building design and construction. > > This program will cater to college faculty and > administration, student groups and government agencies > with an interest in education in sustainable energy. A > reception at the NC Solar House will follow in the > afternoon. > > Why you should attend: > > * Find out academic and workforce development programs > already offered in the state > * Learn about market-driving programs that will help > heighten awareness for sustainable practices and > technologies > * Listen to sustainability programs in campuses and how > they are practicing what they preach > * Meet others in the field working towards the same goal > > Who should attend: > > * College faculty and administration > * Community college representatives > * Student groups > * State agencies with an interest in education in > sustainable energy > > The Summit is sponsored by the State Energy Office, NC > Department of Administration, Earth Fare - The Healthy > Supermarket, the UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office, > the Center for Energy Research and Technology at NC A&T > and Wilson Technical Community College. > > The summit is part of the Energy Independence Days, > brought to you by the NC Solar Center, ASU's Energy > Center, Triangle J Council of Government, Central > Carolina Community College and Wake Tech Community > College, with the support of the State Energy Office, > NC Department of Administration, the National > Alternative Fuels Training Consortium, the American > Lung Association of North Carolina, Earth Fare - The > Healthy Supermarket, and the UNC-Chapel Hill > Sustainability Office. > > Registration: > $40 admission > Free for students (still need to send in a registration > form, please) > $250 Exhibitors, includes two complimentary > registrations. > > To register, sponsor or exhibit, or for information > about the series, contact Lyra Rakusin at > lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu or 919-513-7769. > > ---------------------- > Refueling America > Jane S. McKimmon Center, North Carolina State University > 1101 Gorman Street, Raleigh, NC 27606 > September 21, 2005 > > The state can become an economic and environmental > leader by focusing on renewable fuels and advanced > transportation technologies. Through the use of > biodiesel, ethanol, hybrid electric vehicles and idle > reduction strategies, emissions can improve while > diversifying and expanding our fuel supply. > > DRAFT AGENDA: > > 8:00-9:00 Registration and exhibition displays > > 9:00- 9:45 Overview ~Why are energy independence and > air quality important? What can we do today? > > 9:45-11:00 Session One ~ Biodiesel and Ethanol > Topics will include: how to use the fuel, what > applications are appropriate, how to increase use in > NC, effects of tax credits, success story from > petroleum marketers. > > 11:15-12:30 Session Two ~ Hybrids/Idle Reduction > Topics will include: hybrid industry trends, EPA's > Smartway Transportation Program, health effects of > smog; success story for idle reduction. > > 12:30- 2:00 Refueling America Luncheon > Keynote Speaker ~ Paul Roberts, author of The End of > Oil, examines the history of energy use, the current > state of alternative transportation technologies, steep > oil prices and the effect of energy policy on national > security and foreign relations. > > 2:00-3:00 Ride-N-Drive/Tour of NC Solar Center > Alternative Fuel Vehicle Garage > Experience advanced vehicle technologies running on > alternative fuels and hybrid systems firsthand. > > 2:00-3:00 * Session Three ~ Health Effects of Air > Quality > > * denotes tentative agenda item; subject may be > incorporated into other sessions > > REGISTRATION (click here to register): > before september 19th after september 19th > $35 - workshop and luncheon > $40 - workshop and luncheon (as space permits) > $25 - luncheon only > DISCOUNT: > 25% for commercial truck owner/operators, fuel > providers and fleet managers for workshop and luncheon. > > For more information call 919-513-7831 or email > anne_tazewell@ncsu.edu > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From karlynmeow at hotmail.com Tue Sep 6 17:43:14 2005 From: karlynmeow at hotmail.com (Karlyn Jensen) Date: Tue Sep 6 16:42:38 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel In-Reply-To: <20050906194600.7FD58C9F16@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have found one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week when the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list and lots of other Biofuel info. Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI with B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. Has anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who can do it? Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your experience? Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! -Karlyn "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi From jeizenst at arches.uga.edu Tue Sep 6 17:08:48 2005 From: jeizenst at arches.uga.edu (Joel Eizenstat) Date: Tue Sep 6 16:45:20 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Processor Question Message-ID: <431DF750.50A6466E@arches.uga.edu> Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about using a fiberglass tank for a processor? I have access to a tank that is 1/2 inch thick, 4 feet in diameter and about 12 feet tall. It has a conical bottom with an outlet valve. It has stored caustic material used in the automotive industry. Thanks. Joel Eizenstat From richmason at mindspring.com Tue Sep 6 19:44:52 2005 From: richmason at mindspring.com (Rich Mason) Date: Tue Sep 6 18:44:22 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel References: Message-ID: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> Karlyn, Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive it til something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had no problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karlyn Jensen" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have found >one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week when >the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list and >lots of other Biofuel info. > > Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that > sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. > > But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI with > B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber > parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. Has > anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who can > do it? > > Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your experience? > Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! > > -Karlyn > > "Be the change you wish to see in the world." > -Ghandi > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From handj at tds.net Tue Sep 6 20:08:41 2005 From: handj at tds.net (jack berry) Date: Tue Sep 6 20:08:05 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] converting a 300 TD TD In-Reply-To: <20050906194558.7B856C9B28@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: <20050907000841.ZRDK17317.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@jacklaptop> It is a good idea. I have a Greasecar kit in my 240D and like it. It goes into the spare tire well. It is well built and comes with everything you need. The 300TD has one tank option unless you have the fold up seat and that is a long rectangular box in the storage area. It needs to be covered and insulated so the interior does not get toasty in summer(its 180 deg you know). If you have the fold up seat and intend to use it then you need to keep it up and the tank has to go at the opening of the hatch. Go to the GC sitge and look for user profiles. There is a fella with a kit showing in his TD and then go look for a thread on the main forum entitled something like Greasecar Meet 2005 or something like that. One of the fellas in the vid has a TD with a tank in the back and it is insulated. \Jack in Racine ---------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:46 PM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 Send Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list submissions to biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net You can reach the person managing the list at biofuels_interest_group-owner@lists.emji.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Biofuels_Interest_Group digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) (BENJAMIN F BARNES) 2. Re: on-road biodiesel (Mark Ambrose) 3. RE: on-road biodiesel (Allen Giles) 4. Not just Seed Saving! (New course offered) (Rachel Burton) 5. 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st (Mark J Ambrose) 6. Re: 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st (Rachel Burton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:04:16 -0400 From: "BENJAMIN F BARNES" To: "Rich Mason" , depowell@email.unc.edu, biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) Message-ID: <410-220059261416781@coastalnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: wooster@coastalnet.com Message: 1 Everyone I am planning shortly to convert an 84 300DT Mercedes to run on WVO. There are several kits available, I would like to hear from members who have done this and get info on the pluses and minuses of the various avalable kits. Thanks Ben > [Original Message] > From: Rich Mason > To: ; > Date: 9/5/2005 4:28:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) > > You can also put a diesel engine in your current Jetta. Quality German Auto > Parts has 1.9 D and TD engines that they bring in from Europe for just such > a swap. You also need a few other things but if your current Jetta is paid > for and in good shape and you have $4k or so to spend, you could go that > route. I dd this for my gasoline 85 Vanagon with a 1.6 TD engine. > > Rich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:16 PM > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" > mailing list (fwd) > > > > Dear biofuels list - > > > > I have a 98 VW Jetta that I want to try to sell - so I can upgrade to a > > turbo diesel engine Volkswagon and run it on biofuel. Has anyone else done > > this recently? Would you recommend trying to trade-in my current car > > through the dealership or take another route? > > > > -DP > > > > ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ > > Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:27 PM -0400 > > From: biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net > > To: depowell@email.unc.edu > > Subject: Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list > > > > Welcome to the Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net mailing list! > > > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > > > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > > subscription page at: > > > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/options/biofuels_interest_group/depowell%40em > > ail.unc.edu > > > > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group-request@lists.emji.net > > > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > > > upvasu > > > > Normally, Mailman will remind you of your lists.emji.net mailing list > > passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you > > prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to > > unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on > > your options page that will email your current password to you. > > > > ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:05:50 -0400 From: Mark Ambrose To: Mike Arnold Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel Message-ID: <431D078E.9040606@alumni.princeton.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <431C0863.3040708@wfu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 As I understand it, the taxes are supposed to be paid on all motor fuels used in on-road vehicles. If you buy commercial biodiesel, the taxes are built into the costs of the fuel, the same as with regular petro-doesel. If you run your car on home-brew or WVO, you are supposed to track how much you use and file a form and send in the taxes (quarterly, I think but maybe annually). AFAIK, you should have no problem if you are tested and have biodiesel in your tank. They are looking for the red dye in the off-road diesel. I am told that the dye is designed to leave a residue in your fuel system, so that evidence of use of off-road diesel fuel remains for a time after that tank of fuel is used up. Mike Arnold wrote: > Friends, > > (My apologies for what might seem like an obvious question, since > everyone is doing it) > > I have looked around a bit, but haven't really found a definitive > statement about on-road use of either home-brewed or commercial > biodiesel. What are the requirements (for on-road taxes) for > commercial biodiesel and are there any requirements for home-brewed > fuel? Do these requirements differ from state to state? > > At the entrance to the horse show grounds at the NCState Fairgrounds, > we were stopped for diesel fuel testing. We were in a hurry and asked > if we had to submit to the test ... we didn't have to, but it is an > automatic $1000 fine, were were clean green, so just allowed the > testing. I understand the fine for using off-road (i.e. red-dyed > diesel) can range up to $10,000. > > Has anyone been stopped and tested? > > thanks, > Mike Arnold. > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:42:22 -0400 From: "Allen Giles" To: "'Mark Ambrose'" , "'Mike Arnold'" Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel Message-ID: <200509061141.j86Bfrsq030032@kimba.cape.com> In-Reply-To: <431D078E.9040606@alumni.princeton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: agiles@cape.com Message: 3 You do not have to pay Fed excise tax on SVO or B100. You might have to pay state and local. SVO is not recognized as a fuel by the Fed's, thus not subject to excise tax. B100 is exempt from excise tax. B99.9 is subject to excise tax. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Mark Ambrose Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:06 PM To: Mike Arnold Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel As I understand it, the taxes are supposed to be paid on all motor fuels used in on-road vehicles. If you buy commercial biodiesel, the taxes are built into the costs of the fuel, the same as with regular petro-doesel. If you run your car on home-brew or WVO, you are supposed to track how much you use and file a form and send in the taxes (quarterly, I think but maybe annually). AFAIK, you should have no problem if you are tested and have biodiesel in your tank. They are looking for the red dye in the off-road diesel. I am told that the dye is designed to leave a residue in your fuel system, so that evidence of use of off-road diesel fuel remains for a time after that tank of fuel is used up. Mike Arnold wrote: > Friends, > > (My apologies for what might seem like an obvious question, since > everyone is doing it) > > I have looked around a bit, but haven't really found a definitive > statement about on-road use of either home-brewed or commercial > biodiesel. What are the requirements (for on-road taxes) for > commercial biodiesel and are there any requirements for home-brewed > fuel? Do these requirements differ from state to state? > > At the entrance to the horse show grounds at the NCState Fairgrounds, > we were stopped for diesel fuel testing. We were in a hurry and asked > if we had to submit to the test ... we didn't have to, but it is an > automatic $1000 fine, were were clean green, so just allowed the > testing. I understand the fine for using off-road (i.e. red-dyed > diesel) can range up to $10,000. > > Has anyone been stopped and tested? > > thanks, > Mike Arnold. > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:57:05 -0400 From: Rachel Burton To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Not just Seed Saving! (New course offered) Message-ID: <846596C6-D268-473A-BB57-6306EC5DFAE1@blast.com> References: <000d01c5b2f8$8cf70680$4910010a@douglasfqhzyq3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 > > Hey folks, > > I just wanted to make sure everyone knows about the new course I=92m =20= > offering, TECHNIQUES AND PRACTICES FOR SEED SAVING, which starts =20 > this Thursday, 3-6 pm. It=92s a Continuing Ed course in the =20 > Sustainable Farming Program at CCCC Pittsboro. Ten weeks costs you =20= > a mere $56.25, total. Besides a wealth of information, YOU GET TO =20 > TAKE HOME SEEDS of any of the 90-some varieties we have saved, out =20 > of 225 varieties actually grown in 04-05. > > I also wanted to point out that the class will cover MUCH MORE THAN =20= > SEED SAVING TECHNIQUES; we=92ll also dip into the limitless creative =20= > possibilities of backyard plant breeding and adapting varieties to =20 > our soil and climate. > > Here=92s the actual description we posted in the Course Listing: > > =93This course will focus on seed saving and basic plant breeding =20 > techniques, useful to both growers and backyard gardeners. Students =20= > will learn how to save their own seeds of many vegetables and =20 > grains, and how to improve the gene pool of their crops to adapt =20 > them to our local conditions. We will study such topics as: self =20 > pollinators vs. cross pollinators; isolation distances and =20 > techniques; local climate challenges; selection and crossing for =20 > desirable traits; dry seed and wet seed processing; variety trials; =20= > vegetatively propagated crops; and commercial seed production =20 > possibilities. The instructor, Doug Jones, is the manager of the =20 > Land Lab at CCCC and has considerable seed-saving experience. He =20 > is currently working with over 200 varieties. Students can take =20 > home many kinds of seeds. 9/8/05 to11/10/05, 3 to 6 pm.=94 = (Thursdays) > > There is a growing grassroots movement to take back our seeds from =20 > the few multinational companies who care very little about =20 > preserving and further developing heirloom and locally-adapted =20 > genepools. Small-scale and organic growers have discovered that =20 > their needs are a very low priority in the breeding programs of =20 > those companies. > > Take this class and play a role in this exciting, vital work!! > > Call 919-542-6495 ext. 223 to register, or go to the Continuing Ed. =20= > office in Building 2 - you can even register the same day as the =20 > class starts! > > Doug Jones > > PS - I'm also presenting/leading a discussion on VARIETIES THAT =20 > HAVE WORKED BEST for growers and gardeners in the Carolinas, at the =20= > November CFSA Sustainable Ag Conference in Durham. There will be a =20= > big SEED SWAP table, where you can take seeds even if you don't =20 > have any yet to contribute, under the assumption that you will =20 > catch the seed-saving bug and offer your own seeds in the future. > We will also process and discuss seeds that have potential for =20 production of vegetable oils that can be eaten or used to make =20 Biodiesel fuel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark J Ambrose" To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st Message-ID: <20050906194158.3120.fh046.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Folks -- >From different sources I have received info on 2 events, both dealing with renewable energy, both at the NCSU McKimmon Center on Sept. 21st. It is unclear to me to if there are any (many) joint sessions for the events or if they are mostly (completely) seperate. ----------------------------------- Summit of Colleges for Sustainability Details: This Summit is for those interested in creating a more open and cooperative environment among colleges and universities working toward education in sustainability, renewable energy, energy efficiency, green building design and construction. This program will cater to college faculty and administration, student groups and government agencies with an interest in education in sustainable energy. A reception at the NC Solar House will follow in the afternoon. Why you should attend: * Find out academic and workforce development programs already offered in the state * Learn about market-driving programs that will help heighten awareness for sustainable practices and technologies * Listen to sustainability programs in campuses and how they are practicing what they preach * Meet others in the field working towards the same goal Who should attend: * College faculty and administration * Community college representatives * Student groups * State agencies with an interest in education in sustainable energy The Summit is sponsored by the State Energy Office, NC Department of Administration, Earth Fare - The Healthy Supermarket, the UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office, the Center for Energy Research and Technology at NC A&T and Wilson Technical Community College. The summit is part of the Energy Independence Days, brought to you by the NC Solar Center, ASU's Energy Center, Triangle J Council of Government, Central Carolina Community College and Wake Tech Community College, with the support of the State Energy Office, NC Department of Administration, the National Alternative Fuels Training Consortium, the American Lung Association of North Carolina, Earth Fare - The Healthy Supermarket, and the UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office. Registration: $40 admission Free for students (still need to send in a registration form, please) $250 Exhibitors, includes two complimentary registrations. To register, sponsor or exhibit, or for information about the series, contact Lyra Rakusin at lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu or 919-513-7769. ---------------------- Refueling America Jane S. McKimmon Center, North Carolina State University 1101 Gorman Street, Raleigh, NC 27606 September 21, 2005 The state can become an economic and environmental leader by focusing on renewable fuels and advanced transportation technologies. Through the use of biodiesel, ethanol, hybrid electric vehicles and idle reduction strategies, emissions can improve while diversifying and expanding our fuel supply. DRAFT AGENDA: 8:00-9:00 Registration and exhibition displays 9:00- 9:45 Overview ~Why are energy independence and air quality important? What can we do today? 9:45-11:00 Session One ~ Biodiesel and Ethanol Topics will include: how to use the fuel, what applications are appropriate, how to increase use in NC, effects of tax credits, success story from petroleum marketers. 11:15-12:30 Session Two ~ Hybrids/Idle Reduction Topics will include: hybrid industry trends, EPA's Smartway Transportation Program, health effects of smog; success story for idle reduction. 12:30- 2:00 Refueling America Luncheon Keynote Speaker ~ Paul Roberts, author of The End of Oil, examines the history of energy use, the current state of alternative transportation technologies, steep oil prices and the effect of energy policy on national security and foreign relations. 2:00-3:00 Ride-N-Drive/Tour of NC Solar Center Alternative Fuel Vehicle Garage Experience advanced vehicle technologies running on alternative fuels and hybrid systems firsthand. 2:00-3:00 * Session Three ~ Health Effects of Air Quality * denotes tentative agenda item; subject may be incorporated into other sessions REGISTRATION (click here to register): before september 19th after september 19th $35 - workshop and luncheon $40 - workshop and luncheon (as space permits) $25 - luncheon only DISCOUNT: 25% for commercial truck owner/operators, fuel providers and fleet managers for workshop and luncheon. For more information call 919-513-7831 or email anne_tazewell@ncsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:46:29 -0400 From: Rachel Burton To: "Mark J Ambrose" Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st Message-ID: <94E6F3A9-4C04-4E97-9A6B-5E51996A0A3A@blast.com> In-Reply-To: <20050906194158.3120.fh046.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> References: <20050906194158.3120.fh046.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I believe there is overlap between the afternoon sessions. These events are all part of the Energy Independence Days http://continuingeducation.ncsu.edu/energy-independence-days.htm On Sep 6, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Mark J Ambrose wrote: > Folks -- > > >> From different sources I have received info on 2 >> > events, both dealing with renewable energy, both at the > NCSU McKimmon Center on Sept. 21st. It is unclear to > me to if there are any (many) joint sessions for the > events or if they are mostly (completely) seperate. > > ----------------------------------- > Summit of Colleges for Sustainability > > Details: This Summit is for those interested in > creating a more open and cooperative environment among > colleges and universities working toward education in > sustainability, renewable energy, energy efficiency, > green building design and construction. > > This program will cater to college faculty and > administration, student groups and government agencies > with an interest in education in sustainable energy. A > reception at the NC Solar House will follow in the > afternoon. > > Why you should attend: > > * Find out academic and workforce development programs > already offered in the state > * Learn about market-driving programs that will help > heighten awareness for sustainable practices and > technologies > * Listen to sustainability programs in campuses and how > they are practicing what they preach > * Meet others in the field working towards the same goal > > Who should attend: > > * College faculty and administration > * Community college representatives > * Student groups > * State agencies with an interest in education in > sustainable energy > > The Summit is sponsored by the State Energy Office, NC > Department of Administration, Earth Fare - The Healthy > Supermarket, the UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office, > the Center for Energy Research and Technology at NC A&T > and Wilson Technical Community College. > > The summit is part of the Energy Independence Days, > brought to you by the NC Solar Center, ASU's Energy > Center, Triangle J Council of Government, Central > Carolina Community College and Wake Tech Community > College, with the support of the State Energy Office, > NC Department of Administration, the National > Alternative Fuels Training Consortium, the American > Lung Association of North Carolina, Earth Fare - The > Healthy Supermarket, and the UNC-Chapel Hill > Sustainability Office. > > Registration: > $40 admission > Free for students (still need to send in a registration > form, please) > $250 Exhibitors, includes two complimentary > registrations. > > To register, sponsor or exhibit, or for information > about the series, contact Lyra Rakusin at > lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu or 919-513-7769. > > ---------------------- > Refueling America > Jane S. McKimmon Center, North Carolina State University > 1101 Gorman Street, Raleigh, NC 27606 > September 21, 2005 > > The state can become an economic and environmental > leader by focusing on renewable fuels and advanced > transportation technologies. Through the use of > biodiesel, ethanol, hybrid electric vehicles and idle > reduction strategies, emissions can improve while > diversifying and expanding our fuel supply. > > DRAFT AGENDA: > > 8:00-9:00 Registration and exhibition displays > > 9:00- 9:45 Overview ~Why are energy independence and > air quality important? What can we do today? > > 9:45-11:00 Session One ~ Biodiesel and Ethanol > Topics will include: how to use the fuel, what > applications are appropriate, how to increase use in > NC, effects of tax credits, success story from > petroleum marketers. > > 11:15-12:30 Session Two ~ Hybrids/Idle Reduction > Topics will include: hybrid industry trends, EPA's > Smartway Transportation Program, health effects of > smog; success story for idle reduction. > > 12:30- 2:00 Refueling America Luncheon > Keynote Speaker ~ Paul Roberts, author of The End of > Oil, examines the history of energy use, the current > state of alternative transportation technologies, steep > oil prices and the effect of energy policy on national > security and foreign relations. > > 2:00-3:00 Ride-N-Drive/Tour of NC Solar Center > Alternative Fuel Vehicle Garage > Experience advanced vehicle technologies running on > alternative fuels and hybrid systems firsthand. > > 2:00-3:00 * Session Three ~ Health Effects of Air > Quality > > * denotes tentative agenda item; subject may be > incorporated into other sessions > > REGISTRATION (click here to register): > before september 19th after september 19th > $35 - workshop and luncheon > $40 - workshop and luncheon (as space permits) > $25 - luncheon only > DISCOUNT: > 25% for commercial truck owner/operators, fuel > providers and fleet managers for workshop and luncheon. > > For more information call 919-513-7831 or email > anne_tazewell@ncsu.edu > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group End of Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 ***************************************************** From lyle at blast.com Tue Sep 6 21:32:24 2005 From: lyle at blast.com (Lyle Estill) Date: Tue Sep 6 20:32:28 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] TDI on B100 Message-ID: <8dc099ae9c72c40df95850c5f3b4f282@blast.com> Our 2003 TDI Jetta Wagon has been on B100 most its life. It's at 54K miles. It has suffered through periods of petroleum during cold months, and periods of biodiesel shortage, but most of its miles have been put on renewable fuel. Lyle Estill Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 Fax: 919-321-6769 From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 6 23:43:38 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 6 22:42:54 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Summit of Colleges for Sustainability Message-ID: <404025EA-1A97-4F53-AE22-F27CA7ABAE15@blast.com> Summit of Colleges for Sustainability Wednesday, September 21, 2005 12:00 ? 5:30 PM Jane S. McKimmon Center, NC State University 1101 Gorman Street Raleigh, NC A reception follows at the Solar House, adjacent to the McKimmon Center The Summit of Colleges for Sustainability aims to create a more open and cooperative environment among colleges and universities working towards education in sustainability, renewable energy, energy and resource efficiency, and green building design and construction. The Summit of Colleges kicks off with a luncheon with Paul Roberts as the keynote speaker, and attendees are encouraged to join a reception at the NC Solar House that will follow in the afternoon. Why you should attend: ? Find out academic and workforce development programs already offered in the state ? Learn about market-driving programs that will help heighten awareness for sustainable practices and technologies ? Listen to sustainability programs in campuses ? Know of opportunities for collaborative activities among students interested in sustainability ? Meet others in the field working towards the same goal ? Discover ways to enhance sustainability in campuses Who should attend: ? College faculty and administration ? Facilities and campus coordinators ? Community college representatives ? Student groups ? Individuals interested in education in sustainable energy. Fees: $40 admission Free for students $250 Exhibitors, includes two complimentary registrations. Registration: http://www.unc.edu/surge/sustainability_summit/ Go to www.ncsc.ncsu.edu/calendar, or contact lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu To sponsor, display or for more information about the Summit of Colleges, contact: Lyra Rakusin, NC Solar Center at NCSU, lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu or 919-513-7769 Sponsored by: ? NC Solar Center ? State Energy Office ? N.C. Department of Administration ? Earth Fare, the healthy supermarket ? UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office ? Center for Energy Research and Technology at NC A&T University ? SURGE ? Wilson Technical Community College The Summit of Colleges is part of Energy Independence Days: Sustainable Solutions for North Carolina, brought to you by the NC Solar Center, ASU's Energy Center, Triangle J Council of Government, Central Carolina Community College and Wake Tech Community College, with the support of the State Energy Office ? Department of Administration, American Lung Association of North Carolina, Earth Fare, the healthy supermarket, National Alternative Fuels Training Consortium, UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office From panthercat at mac.com Wed Sep 7 09:47:57 2005 From: panthercat at mac.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Wed Sep 7 08:47:21 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel In-Reply-To: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> Message-ID: <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Rich, Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? FYI, BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since last Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has risen since last Thursday. QUESTION: I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI with now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last tank was all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the AC and Fan OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? This is right after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase inspection (I already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I know the mpg gets better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes I heavily influenced that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any ideas gang before I post this to the forums? Thanks, -Carlos On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason wrote: >Karlyn, > >Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this >subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive it til >something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to >whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had no >problems. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karlyn Jensen" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel > > >>I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have found >>one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week when >>the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >>weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list and >>lots of other Biofuel info. >> >> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that >> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >> >> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI with >> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. Has >> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who can >> do it? >> >> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your experience? >> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >> >> -Karlyn >> >> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >> -Ghandi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From handj at tds.net Wed Sep 7 14:17:28 2005 From: handj at tds.net (jack berry) Date: Wed Sep 7 14:16:59 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20050907000820.42465C9AE6@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: <20050907181728.KHVF405.outaamta01.mail.tds.net@jacklaptop> Canada's first 100% recycled and renewable energy fueling station featuring b20, E85 and E10 fuels. http://www.topiaenergy.com/ SEPTEMBER 6, 2005 - 15:50 ET Canada's First Totally Green Fuel Station Opens in Ottawa: Topia's 'GreenStop' Provides Green Fuels, Green Coffee, and Healthy Snacks OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(CCNMatthews - Sept. 6, 2005) - Topia's GreenStop, Canada first renewable fuel gas station, today officially opened its doors to the public in the nation's capital. Serving only renewable fuel blends such as Biodiesel and E10 ethanol, it is the first renewable gas station in the country that services every car and truck on the road today. "GreenStop is Canada's first challenge to the gasoline monopoly of your corner gas station. We serve the latest renewable fuels that are ready for use today," said Govindh Jayaraman President of Topia Energy Distribution Inc. "But we don't stop there. Our Real Cafe also aims to end decades of stale coffee and bad doughnuts at gas stations." The GreenStop, located at 1621 Woodward Drive (Corner Clyde and Woodward) in Ottawa is the first in what Jayaraman will be a franchise of GreenStop outlets across the country. Three types of fuel are sold at the GreenStop: 1. B20 BioDiesel (suitable for every diesel car or truck on the road today) made from used cooking oil and vegetable fats 2. E10 Ethanol (suitable for every car on the road today) made by blending gas made with ethanol made from corn 3. E85 Ethanol (for use in FFVs - Flex Fuel Vehicles which can take up to 85% ethanol) - FFVs are currently sold by General Motors, Daimler Chrysler and Ford Topia's Real Cafe at the GreenStop includes food from DISH Catering, fresh, innovative, local and organic veggie, beef, and chicken wraps, Blue Sky Natural Cola & soft drinks, and Cameron's coffee - Canada's most environmentally friendly coffee (Fair Trade Certified, Conventional and Decaffeinated - 100% Chemical Free Coffees). Topia took the time to use environmentally friendly materials when refurbishing the retail infrastructure of GreenStop (an old gas station), including compressed recycled straw board cabinets, poured concrete counter tops (chemical free, and renewable) and chemical free linoleum flooring. Topia makes wide use of recycled supplies such as coffee cups, thermo sleeves and paper bags made from recycled material And definitely NO cigarettes, refined sugar based sodas or snacks, and traditional stale donuts and bad coffee. CONTACT INFORMATION Topia Energy Distribution Inc. Janelle Thompson (613) 594-4777 www.topiaenergy.com Why not in America??? Jack in Racine -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:08 PM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7 Send Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list submissions to biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net You can reach the person managing the list at biofuels_interest_group-owner@lists.emji.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Biofuels_Interest_Group digest..." Today's Topics: 1. ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel (Karlyn Jensen) 2. Processor Question (Joel Eizenstat) 3. Re: ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel (Rich Mason) 4. converting a 300 TD TD (jack berry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:43:14 -0400 From: "Karlyn Jensen" To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050906194600.7FD58C9F16@mail2.blast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have found one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week when the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list and lots of other Biofuel info. Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI with B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. Has anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who can do it? Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your experience? Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! -Karlyn "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:08:48 -0400 From: Joel Eizenstat To: "Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net" Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Processor Question Message-ID: <431DF750.50A6466E@arches.uga.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about using a fiberglass tank for a processor? I have access to a tank that is 1/2 inch thick, 4 feet in diameter and about 12 feet tall. It has a conical bottom with an outlet valve. It has stored caustic material used in the automotive industry. Thanks. Joel Eizenstat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:44:52 -0400 From: "Rich Mason" To: "Karlyn Jensen" , Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel Message-ID: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> References: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Karlyn, Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive it til something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had no problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karlyn Jensen" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have found >one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week when >the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list and >lots of other Biofuel info. > > Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that > sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. > > But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI with > B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber > parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. Has > anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who can > do it? > > Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your experience? > Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! > > -Karlyn > > "Be the change you wish to see in the world." > -Ghandi > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:08:41 -0500 From: "jack berry" To: Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] converting a 300 TD TD Message-ID: <20050907000841.ZRDK17317.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@jacklaptop> In-Reply-To: <20050906194558.7B856C9B28@mail2.blast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 It is a good idea. I have a Greasecar kit in my 240D and like it. It goes into the spare tire well. It is well built and comes with everything you need. The 300TD has one tank option unless you have the fold up seat and that is a long rectangular box in the storage area. It needs to be covered and insulated so the interior does not get toasty in summer(its 180 deg you know). If you have the fold up seat and intend to use it then you need to keep it up and the tank has to go at the opening of the hatch. Go to the GC sitge and look for user profiles. There is a fella with a kit showing in his TD and then go look for a thread on the main forum entitled something like Greasecar Meet 2005 or something like that. One of the fellas in the vid has a TD with a tank in the back and it is insulated. \Jack in Racine ---------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:46 PM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 Send Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list submissions to biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net You can reach the person managing the list at biofuels_interest_group-owner@lists.emji.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Biofuels_Interest_Group digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) (BENJAMIN F BARNES) 2. Re: on-road biodiesel (Mark Ambrose) 3. RE: on-road biodiesel (Allen Giles) 4. Not just Seed Saving! (New course offered) (Rachel Burton) 5. 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st (Mark J Ambrose) 6. Re: 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st (Rachel Burton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:04:16 -0400 From: "BENJAMIN F BARNES" To: "Rich Mason" , depowell@email.unc.edu, biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) Message-ID: <410-220059261416781@coastalnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: wooster@coastalnet.com Message: 1 Everyone I am planning shortly to convert an 84 300DT Mercedes to run on WVO. There are several kits available, I would like to hear from members who have done this and get info on the pluses and minuses of the various avalable kits. Thanks Ben > [Original Message] > From: Rich Mason > To: ; > Date: 9/5/2005 4:28:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the"Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list (fwd) > > You can also put a diesel engine in your current Jetta. Quality German Auto > Parts has 1.9 D and TD engines that they bring in from Europe for just such > a swap. You also need a few other things but if your current Jetta is paid > for and in good shape and you have $4k or so to spend, you could go that > route. I dd this for my gasoline 85 Vanagon with a 1.6 TD engine. > > Rich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 1:16 PM > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" > mailing list (fwd) > > > > Dear biofuels list - > > > > I have a 98 VW Jetta that I want to try to sell - so I can upgrade to a > > turbo diesel engine Volkswagon and run it on biofuel. Has anyone else done > > this recently? Would you recommend trying to trade-in my current car > > through the dealership or take another route? > > > > -DP > > > > ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ > > Date: Thursday, September 1, 2005 11:27 PM -0400 > > From: biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net > > To: depowell@email.unc.edu > > Subject: Welcome to the "Biofuels_Interest_Group" mailing list > > > > Welcome to the Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net mailing list! > > > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net > > > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > > subscription page at: > > > > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/options/biofuels_interest_group/depowell%40em > > ail.unc.edu > > > > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > > > Biofuels_Interest_Group-request@lists.emji.net > > > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > > > upvasu > > > > Normally, Mailman will remind you of your lists.emji.net mailing list > > passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you > > prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to > > unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on > > your options page that will email your current password to you. > > > > ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:05:50 -0400 From: Mark Ambrose To: Mike Arnold Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel Message-ID: <431D078E.9040606@alumni.princeton.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <431C0863.3040708@wfu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 As I understand it, the taxes are supposed to be paid on all motor fuels used in on-road vehicles. If you buy commercial biodiesel, the taxes are built into the costs of the fuel, the same as with regular petro-doesel. If you run your car on home-brew or WVO, you are supposed to track how much you use and file a form and send in the taxes (quarterly, I think but maybe annually). AFAIK, you should have no problem if you are tested and have biodiesel in your tank. They are looking for the red dye in the off-road diesel. I am told that the dye is designed to leave a residue in your fuel system, so that evidence of use of off-road diesel fuel remains for a time after that tank of fuel is used up. Mike Arnold wrote: > Friends, > > (My apologies for what might seem like an obvious question, since > everyone is doing it) > > I have looked around a bit, but haven't really found a definitive > statement about on-road use of either home-brewed or commercial > biodiesel. What are the requirements (for on-road taxes) for > commercial biodiesel and are there any requirements for home-brewed > fuel? Do these requirements differ from state to state? > > At the entrance to the horse show grounds at the NCState Fairgrounds, > we were stopped for diesel fuel testing. We were in a hurry and asked > if we had to submit to the test ... we didn't have to, but it is an > automatic $1000 fine, were were clean green, so just allowed the > testing. I understand the fine for using off-road (i.e. red-dyed > diesel) can range up to $10,000. > > Has anyone been stopped and tested? > > thanks, > Mike Arnold. > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:42:22 -0400 From: "Allen Giles" To: "'Mark Ambrose'" , "'Mike Arnold'" Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel Message-ID: <200509061141.j86Bfrsq030032@kimba.cape.com> In-Reply-To: <431D078E.9040606@alumni.princeton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: agiles@cape.com Message: 3 You do not have to pay Fed excise tax on SVO or B100. You might have to pay state and local. SVO is not recognized as a fuel by the Fed's, thus not subject to excise tax. B100 is exempt from excise tax. B99.9 is subject to excise tax. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Mark Ambrose Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 11:06 PM To: Mike Arnold Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] on-road biodiesel As I understand it, the taxes are supposed to be paid on all motor fuels used in on-road vehicles. If you buy commercial biodiesel, the taxes are built into the costs of the fuel, the same as with regular petro-doesel. If you run your car on home-brew or WVO, you are supposed to track how much you use and file a form and send in the taxes (quarterly, I think but maybe annually). AFAIK, you should have no problem if you are tested and have biodiesel in your tank. They are looking for the red dye in the off-road diesel. I am told that the dye is designed to leave a residue in your fuel system, so that evidence of use of off-road diesel fuel remains for a time after that tank of fuel is used up. Mike Arnold wrote: > Friends, > > (My apologies for what might seem like an obvious question, since > everyone is doing it) > > I have looked around a bit, but haven't really found a definitive > statement about on-road use of either home-brewed or commercial > biodiesel. What are the requirements (for on-road taxes) for > commercial biodiesel and are there any requirements for home-brewed > fuel? Do these requirements differ from state to state? > > At the entrance to the horse show grounds at the NCState Fairgrounds, > we were stopped for diesel fuel testing. We were in a hurry and asked > if we had to submit to the test ... we didn't have to, but it is an > automatic $1000 fine, were were clean green, so just allowed the > testing. I understand the fine for using off-road (i.e. red-dyed > diesel) can range up to $10,000. > > Has anyone been stopped and tested? > > thanks, > Mike Arnold. > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:57:05 -0400 From: Rachel Burton To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Not just Seed Saving! (New course offered) Message-ID: <846596C6-D268-473A-BB57-6306EC5DFAE1@blast.com> References: <000d01c5b2f8$8cf70680$4910010a@douglasfqhzyq3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 > > Hey folks, > > I just wanted to make sure everyone knows about the new course I=92m =20= > offering, TECHNIQUES AND PRACTICES FOR SEED SAVING, which starts =20 > this Thursday, 3-6 pm. It=92s a Continuing Ed course in the =20 > Sustainable Farming Program at CCCC Pittsboro. Ten weeks costs you =20= > a mere $56.25, total. Besides a wealth of information, YOU GET TO =20 > TAKE HOME SEEDS of any of the 90-some varieties we have saved, out =20 > of 225 varieties actually grown in 04-05. > > I also wanted to point out that the class will cover MUCH MORE THAN =20= > SEED SAVING TECHNIQUES; we=92ll also dip into the limitless creative =20= > possibilities of backyard plant breeding and adapting varieties to =20 > our soil and climate. > > Here=92s the actual description we posted in the Course Listing: > > =93This course will focus on seed saving and basic plant breeding =20 > techniques, useful to both growers and backyard gardeners. Students =20= > will learn how to save their own seeds of many vegetables and =20 > grains, and how to improve the gene pool of their crops to adapt =20 > them to our local conditions. We will study such topics as: self =20 > pollinators vs. cross pollinators; isolation distances and =20 > techniques; local climate challenges; selection and crossing for =20 > desirable traits; dry seed and wet seed processing; variety trials; =20= > vegetatively propagated crops; and commercial seed production =20 > possibilities. The instructor, Doug Jones, is the manager of the =20 > Land Lab at CCCC and has considerable seed-saving experience. He =20 > is currently working with over 200 varieties. Students can take =20 > home many kinds of seeds. 9/8/05 to11/10/05, 3 to 6 pm.=94 = (Thursdays) > > There is a growing grassroots movement to take back our seeds from =20 > the few multinational companies who care very little about =20 > preserving and further developing heirloom and locally-adapted =20 > genepools. Small-scale and organic growers have discovered that =20 > their needs are a very low priority in the breeding programs of =20 > those companies. > > Take this class and play a role in this exciting, vital work!! > > Call 919-542-6495 ext. 223 to register, or go to the Continuing Ed. =20= > office in Building 2 - you can even register the same day as the =20 > class starts! > > Doug Jones > > PS - I'm also presenting/leading a discussion on VARIETIES THAT =20 > HAVE WORKED BEST for growers and gardeners in the Carolinas, at the =20= > November CFSA Sustainable Ag Conference in Durham. There will be a =20= > big SEED SWAP table, where you can take seeds even if you don't =20 > have any yet to contribute, under the assumption that you will =20 > catch the seed-saving bug and offer your own seeds in the future. > We will also process and discuss seeds that have potential for =20 production of vegetable oils that can be eaten or used to make =20 Biodiesel fuel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark J Ambrose" To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st Message-ID: <20050906194158.3120.fh046.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Folks -- >From different sources I have received info on 2 events, both dealing with renewable energy, both at the NCSU McKimmon Center on Sept. 21st. It is unclear to me to if there are any (many) joint sessions for the events or if they are mostly (completely) seperate. ----------------------------------- Summit of Colleges for Sustainability Details: This Summit is for those interested in creating a more open and cooperative environment among colleges and universities working toward education in sustainability, renewable energy, energy efficiency, green building design and construction. This program will cater to college faculty and administration, student groups and government agencies with an interest in education in sustainable energy. A reception at the NC Solar House will follow in the afternoon. Why you should attend: * Find out academic and workforce development programs already offered in the state * Learn about market-driving programs that will help heighten awareness for sustainable practices and technologies * Listen to sustainability programs in campuses and how they are practicing what they preach * Meet others in the field working towards the same goal Who should attend: * College faculty and administration * Community college representatives * Student groups * State agencies with an interest in education in sustainable energy The Summit is sponsored by the State Energy Office, NC Department of Administration, Earth Fare - The Healthy Supermarket, the UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office, the Center for Energy Research and Technology at NC A&T and Wilson Technical Community College. The summit is part of the Energy Independence Days, brought to you by the NC Solar Center, ASU's Energy Center, Triangle J Council of Government, Central Carolina Community College and Wake Tech Community College, with the support of the State Energy Office, NC Department of Administration, the National Alternative Fuels Training Consortium, the American Lung Association of North Carolina, Earth Fare - The Healthy Supermarket, and the UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office. Registration: $40 admission Free for students (still need to send in a registration form, please) $250 Exhibitors, includes two complimentary registrations. To register, sponsor or exhibit, or for information about the series, contact Lyra Rakusin at lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu or 919-513-7769. ---------------------- Refueling America Jane S. McKimmon Center, North Carolina State University 1101 Gorman Street, Raleigh, NC 27606 September 21, 2005 The state can become an economic and environmental leader by focusing on renewable fuels and advanced transportation technologies. Through the use of biodiesel, ethanol, hybrid electric vehicles and idle reduction strategies, emissions can improve while diversifying and expanding our fuel supply. DRAFT AGENDA: 8:00-9:00 Registration and exhibition displays 9:00- 9:45 Overview ~Why are energy independence and air quality important? What can we do today? 9:45-11:00 Session One ~ Biodiesel and Ethanol Topics will include: how to use the fuel, what applications are appropriate, how to increase use in NC, effects of tax credits, success story from petroleum marketers. 11:15-12:30 Session Two ~ Hybrids/Idle Reduction Topics will include: hybrid industry trends, EPA's Smartway Transportation Program, health effects of smog; success story for idle reduction. 12:30- 2:00 Refueling America Luncheon Keynote Speaker ~ Paul Roberts, author of The End of Oil, examines the history of energy use, the current state of alternative transportation technologies, steep oil prices and the effect of energy policy on national security and foreign relations. 2:00-3:00 Ride-N-Drive/Tour of NC Solar Center Alternative Fuel Vehicle Garage Experience advanced vehicle technologies running on alternative fuels and hybrid systems firsthand. 2:00-3:00 * Session Three ~ Health Effects of Air Quality * denotes tentative agenda item; subject may be incorporated into other sessions REGISTRATION (click here to register): before september 19th after september 19th $35 - workshop and luncheon $40 - workshop and luncheon (as space permits) $25 - luncheon only DISCOUNT: 25% for commercial truck owner/operators, fuel providers and fleet managers for workshop and luncheon. For more information call 919-513-7831 or email anne_tazewell@ncsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:46:29 -0400 From: Rachel Burton To: "Mark J Ambrose" Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 2?? Events in Raleigh on Sept. 21st Message-ID: <94E6F3A9-4C04-4E97-9A6B-5E51996A0A3A@blast.com> In-Reply-To: <20050906194158.3120.fh046.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> References: <20050906194158.3120.fh046.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I believe there is overlap between the afternoon sessions. These events are all part of the Energy Independence Days http://continuingeducation.ncsu.edu/energy-independence-days.htm On Sep 6, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Mark J Ambrose wrote: > Folks -- > > >> From different sources I have received info on 2 >> > events, both dealing with renewable energy, both at the > NCSU McKimmon Center on Sept. 21st. It is unclear to > me to if there are any (many) joint sessions for the > events or if they are mostly (completely) seperate. > > ----------------------------------- > Summit of Colleges for Sustainability > > Details: This Summit is for those interested in > creating a more open and cooperative environment among > colleges and universities working toward education in > sustainability, renewable energy, energy efficiency, > green building design and construction. > > This program will cater to college faculty and > administration, student groups and government agencies > with an interest in education in sustainable energy. A > reception at the NC Solar House will follow in the > afternoon. > > Why you should attend: > > * Find out academic and workforce development programs > already offered in the state > * Learn about market-driving programs that will help > heighten awareness for sustainable practices and > technologies > * Listen to sustainability programs in campuses and how > they are practicing what they preach > * Meet others in the field working towards the same goal > > Who should attend: > > * College faculty and administration > * Community college representatives > * Student groups > * State agencies with an interest in education in > sustainable energy > > The Summit is sponsored by the State Energy Office, NC > Department of Administration, Earth Fare - The Healthy > Supermarket, the UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office, > the Center for Energy Research and Technology at NC A&T > and Wilson Technical Community College. > > The summit is part of the Energy Independence Days, > brought to you by the NC Solar Center, ASU's Energy > Center, Triangle J Council of Government, Central > Carolina Community College and Wake Tech Community > College, with the support of the State Energy Office, > NC Department of Administration, the National > Alternative Fuels Training Consortium, the American > Lung Association of North Carolina, Earth Fare - The > Healthy Supermarket, and the UNC-Chapel Hill > Sustainability Office. > > Registration: > $40 admission > Free for students (still need to send in a registration > form, please) > $250 Exhibitors, includes two complimentary > registrations. > > To register, sponsor or exhibit, or for information > about the series, contact Lyra Rakusin at > lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu or 919-513-7769. > > ---------------------- > Refueling America > Jane S. McKimmon Center, North Carolina State University > 1101 Gorman Street, Raleigh, NC 27606 > September 21, 2005 > > The state can become an economic and environmental > leader by focusing on renewable fuels and advanced > transportation technologies. Through the use of > biodiesel, ethanol, hybrid electric vehicles and idle > reduction strategies, emissions can improve while > diversifying and expanding our fuel supply. > > DRAFT AGENDA: > > 8:00-9:00 Registration and exhibition displays > > 9:00- 9:45 Overview ~Why are energy independence and > air quality important? What can we do today? > > 9:45-11:00 Session One ~ Biodiesel and Ethanol > Topics will include: how to use the fuel, what > applications are appropriate, how to increase use in > NC, effects of tax credits, success story from > petroleum marketers. > > 11:15-12:30 Session Two ~ Hybrids/Idle Reduction > Topics will include: hybrid industry trends, EPA's > Smartway Transportation Program, health effects of > smog; success story for idle reduction. > > 12:30- 2:00 Refueling America Luncheon > Keynote Speaker ~ Paul Roberts, author of The End of > Oil, examines the history of energy use, the current > state of alternative transportation technologies, steep > oil prices and the effect of energy policy on national > security and foreign relations. > > 2:00-3:00 Ride-N-Drive/Tour of NC Solar Center > Alternative Fuel Vehicle Garage > Experience advanced vehicle technologies running on > alternative fuels and hybrid systems firsthand. > > 2:00-3:00 * Session Three ~ Health Effects of Air > Quality > > * denotes tentative agenda item; subject may be > incorporated into other sessions > > REGISTRATION (click here to register): > before september 19th after september 19th > $35 - workshop and luncheon > $40 - workshop and luncheon (as space permits) > $25 - luncheon only > DISCOUNT: > 25% for commercial truck owner/operators, fuel > providers and fleet managers for workshop and luncheon. > > For more information call 919-513-7831 or email > anne_tazewell@ncsu.edu > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group End of Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6 ***************************************************** ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group End of Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 7 ***************************************************** From Bill.Cooley at va.gov Wed Sep 7 11:57:04 2005 From: Bill.Cooley at va.gov (Cooley, Bill DURVAMC) Date: Wed Sep 7 15:18:37 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FW: 79 Mercedes TD Message-ID: <54FFC2B207071349BA7C67A83BDFC19E07C112@VHAV06MSGA1.v06.med.va.gov> -----Original Message----- From: Cooley, Bill DURVAMC Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:55 PM To: Cooley, Bill DURVAMC; Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: RE: 79 Mercedes TD I HAVE A 79 WAGON WITH 320,000 MILES;GOOD TO EXCELLENT CONDITION,LOOKS AND RUNS GREAT. HAVE RUN B100. ASKING $2500 RALEIGH 919 233-3961 -----Original Message----- From: Cooley, Bill DURVAMC Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:03 PM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: FW: 79 Mercedes TD From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Sep 7 17:54:38 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Sep 7 16:54:01 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Renewable Energy Class at CCCC tonight! Message-ID: <3373980E-06D3-40A8-8009-DB976113E249@blast.com> Hey everyone! I know this is late notice... Tonight, September 7, 2005 at 6pm will start the Introduction to Renewable Energy course at Central Carolina Community College. The class will run through November 16, 2005 Dr. Jack Martin from NC A& T and Appalachian will be teaching this course covering the basics of renewable energy- Solar thermal energy, wind power, PV panels, microhydro, electric cars, and more ! If you are interested in reducing your personal dependance on foreign oil or investing in renewable energy, this class is a great start! For more information on the course call 919-542-6495 ext 223. Feel free to come next week if you cannot make it tonight. Thanks! From stevenbaker at nc.rr.com Wed Sep 7 20:57:00 2005 From: stevenbaker at nc.rr.com (Steven Baker) Date: Wed Sep 7 19:56:16 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel In-Reply-To: <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: <0ebbb18e850810067a485f3a237df47f@nc.rr.com> Couple things could be involved here. I have a 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. The automatic is less efficient than a manual. I believe this to be a major impact. I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, or using the cruise control button. I accelerate slowly and press the cruise button when I have gotten to the speed I want. I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have seen show exceptional mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. I believe that staying below 65 makes a difference. Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure how much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage for the first 10.000 miles or so just using the figure from the pump and it came in regularly at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a station where the fuel came out really slow. When I checked I had gotten only about 36 mpg. The slow fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in than normal. Being upset with this reading, I drove slowly down to Wilmington the next day. I new something was strange when I got to 100 miles and the fuel gauge hadn't shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving conservatively and filled normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's the one I told my friends about, but both the 36 and 48 were bogus readings. I know that a lot of you guys out there know better than I do about these things - what's best? Steve On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Carlos Thompson wrote: > Rich, > > Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, > when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? > > FYI, > BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since > last Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has > risen since last Thursday. > > QUESTION: > I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI > with now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last > tank was all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the > AC and Fan OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? > This is right after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase > inspection (I already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I > know the mpg gets better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes > I heavily influenced that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any > ideas gang before I post this to the forums? > > Thanks, > -Carlos > > > On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason > wrote: > >> Karlyn, >> >> Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on >> this >> subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive >> it til >> something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as >> to >> whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've >> had no >> problems. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karlyn Jensen" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >> >> >>> I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have >>> found >>> one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last >>> week when >>> the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple >>> of >>> weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this >>> list and >>> lots of other Biofuel info. >>> >>> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham >>> that >>> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >>> >>> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI >>> with >>> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >>> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. >>> Has >>> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who >>> can >>> do it? >>> >>> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your >>> experience? >>> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >>> >>> -Karlyn >>> >>> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >>> -Ghandi >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > Steve Baker 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. Chapel Hill, NC 27516 tel: (919) 960-5049 cell: (919) 593-7313 stevenbaker@nc.rr.com From richmason at mindspring.com Wed Sep 7 22:48:01 2005 From: richmason at mindspring.com (Rich Mason) Date: Wed Sep 7 21:47:29 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason><3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <0ebbb18e850810067a485f3a237df47f@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001c01c5b417$592101b0$6401a8c0@RichMason> I also believe that tire size plays a role in this as well. IN my last Jetta, the odometer was off by a plus 5-10% or so with the factory tire size of 185/60/14. A 185/65/14 has twe effects. First, it makes the odometer accurate, reducing the indicated miles per tank. Secondly, it decreases the engine rpms at a given speed, increasing fuel efficiency if maintain your previous average. Do they cancel each other out? Beats me! Finally, with newer VWs, venting the tank during fillup is the only way to consistently fill the tank. By using the vent, you can fill the tank until you can see the fuel, ensuring a full tank everytime. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Baker" To: "biofuel" Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel > Couple things could be involved here. I have a 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. > Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. > > The automatic is less efficient than a manual. I believe this to be a > major impact. > > I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, or using the cruise control > button. I accelerate slowly and press the cruise button when I have > gotten to the speed I want. > > I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have seen show exceptional > mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. I believe that staying > below 65 makes a difference. > > Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure how > much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage for the first 10.000 > miles or so just using the figure from the pump and it came in regularly > at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a station where the fuel came out > really slow. When I checked I had gotten only about 36 mpg. The slow > fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in than normal. Being upset > with this reading, I drove slowly down to Wilmington the next day. I new > something was strange when I got to 100 miles and the fuel gauge hadn't > shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving conservatively and filled > normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's the one I told my friends > about, but both the 36 and 48 were bogus readings. > > I know that a lot of you guys out there know better than I do about these > things - what's best? > > Steve > > On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Carlos Thompson wrote: > >> Rich, >> >> Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, >> when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? >> >> FYI, >> BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since last >> Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has risen >> since last Thursday. >> >> QUESTION: >> I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI with >> now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last tank was >> all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the AC and Fan >> OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? This is right >> after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase inspection (I >> already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I know the mpg gets >> better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes I heavily influenced >> that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any ideas gang before I post >> this to the forums? >> >> Thanks, >> -Carlos >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason >> wrote: >> >>> Karlyn, >>> >>> Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this >>> subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive it >>> til >>> something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to >>> whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had >>> no >>> problems. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Karlyn Jensen" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >>> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >>> >>> >>>> I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have >>>> found >>>> one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week >>>> when >>>> the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >>>> weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list >>>> and >>>> lots of other Biofuel info. >>>> >>>> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that >>>> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >>>> >>>> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI >>>> with >>>> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >>>> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. >>>> Has >>>> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who >>>> can >>>> do it? >>>> >>>> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your >>>> experience? >>>> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >>>> >>>> -Karlyn >>>> >>>> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >>>> -Ghandi >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> > Steve Baker > 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. > Chapel Hill, NC > 27516 > > tel: (919) 960-5049 > cell: (919) 593-7313 > stevenbaker@nc.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Sep 8 09:56:14 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Sep 8 08:55:37 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Roundtable Discussion on Peak Oil This Sunday References: <20050904191653.22893.qmail@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > Hello Everyone, > > Fighting foreign wars to maintain an ecomony based on > cheap fuel prices clearly isn't a good idea. With gas > prices tickling three and a half dollars wouldn't it > be nice to have a discussion about community based > solutions to the onset of Peak Oil, the idea that oil > production is about to or already has peaked, yet oil > consumption continues to grow. > Stephen and Rebekah > Rhen from NC Powerdown and Rachel Burton from Piedmont > Biofuels will be at the Silk Hope Catholic Worker this > Sunday, September 11, 2005 to lead a discussion about > what's going on in this area that might lead to a more > sane and peaceful transition into an economy less > dependent on fossil fuels. Please come and enjoy a > blanket on the warm dry grass of late summer and > participate. > There will be a potluck at five, and the > discussion starts at six. > > Peace, > Dan > Please call 919-663-4334 for directions. From panthercat at mac.com Thu Sep 8 10:21:18 2005 From: panthercat at mac.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Thu Sep 8 09:20:41 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel In-Reply-To: <001c01c5b417$592101b0$6401a8c0@RichMason> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <001c01c5b417$592101b0$6401a8c0@RichMason> Message-ID: <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Guess I gotta just slow down...thanks Gang! And yes I definitely keep my Wake County traffic lawyer in business (and the Durham one, and Mecklenburg =) Please explain this "venting the tank" technique Mr. Mason! I have noticed that I never truly get a full tank of B20 when I fill up my 04 Jetta GLS TDI. I also always notice the couple drops that fall when removing the nozzle are always bubbly or sudsy. I've figured out to basically keep on pumping in B20 slowy after the nozzle has stopped the first time until I can't take it and start fearing of overflow.... Yeah the way I calculate mpg is simply dividing the miles on TripA by the number of gallons I put in to make the car full. My friends 05 Passat TDI has the handy dandy Audi based mpg computer calculated display, but mine does not... Mr. Baker, maybe since the last couple tanks I have been slowly trying to top of the tank that I'm blowing my metrics...hmmmm. Is there an add-on part to a Jetta to precisly calculate mpg? Any better method people? Many Thanks, and I apologize for the TDI tangent! Carlos On Wednesday, September 07, 2005, at 09:48PM, Rich Mason wrote: >I also believe that tire size plays a role in this as well. IN my last >Jetta, the odometer was off by a plus 5-10% or so with the factory tire size >of 185/60/14. A 185/65/14 has twe effects. First, it makes the odometer >accurate, reducing the indicated miles per tank. Secondly, it decreases the >engine rpms at a given speed, increasing fuel efficiency if maintain your >previous average. Do they cancel each other out? Beats me! > >Finally, with newer VWs, venting the tank during fillup is the only way to >consistently fill the tank. By using the vent, you can fill the tank until >you can see the fuel, ensuring a full tank everytime. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Baker" >To: "biofuel" >Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel > > >> Couple things could be involved here. I have a 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. >> Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. >> >> The automatic is less efficient than a manual. I believe this to be a >> major impact. >> >> I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, or using the cruise control >> button. I accelerate slowly and press the cruise button when I have >> gotten to the speed I want. >> >> I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have seen show exceptional >> mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. I believe that staying >> below 65 makes a difference. >> >> Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure how >> much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage for the first 10.000 >> miles or so just using the figure from the pump and it came in regularly >> at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a station where the fuel came out >> really slow. When I checked I had gotten only about 36 mpg. The slow >> fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in than normal. Being upset >> with this reading, I drove slowly down to Wilmington the next day. I new >> something was strange when I got to 100 miles and the fuel gauge hadn't >> shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving conservatively and filled >> normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's the one I told my friends >> about, but both the 36 and 48 were bogus readings. >> >> I know that a lot of you guys out there know better than I do about these >> things - what's best? >> >> Steve >> >> On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Carlos Thompson wrote: >> >>> Rich, >>> >>> Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, >>> when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? >>> >>> FYI, >>> BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since last >>> Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has risen >>> since last Thursday. >>> >>> QUESTION: >>> I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI with >>> now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last tank was >>> all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the AC and Fan >>> OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? This is right >>> after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase inspection (I >>> already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I know the mpg gets >>> better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes I heavily influenced >>> that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any ideas gang before I post >>> this to the forums? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -Carlos >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Karlyn, >>>> >>>> Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this >>>> subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive it >>>> til >>>> something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to >>>> whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had >>>> no >>>> problems. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Karlyn Jensen" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >>>> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have >>>>> found >>>>> one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week >>>>> when >>>>> the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >>>>> weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list >>>>> and >>>>> lots of other Biofuel info. >>>>> >>>>> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that >>>>> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >>>>> >>>>> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI >>>>> with >>>>> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >>>>> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. >>>>> Has >>>>> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who >>>>> can >>>>> do it? >>>>> >>>>> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your >>>>> experience? >>>>> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -Karlyn >>>>> >>>>> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >>>>> -Ghandi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> >> Steve Baker >> 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. >> Chapel Hill, NC >> 27516 >> >> tel: (919) 960-5049 >> cell: (919) 593-7313 >> stevenbaker@nc.rr.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From panthercat at mac.com Thu Sep 8 11:55:05 2005 From: panthercat at mac.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Thu Sep 8 10:54:26 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Best BioD Kit to Purchase? In-Reply-To: <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> OK, Wow this is total fate...my mother is selling my 02 TL-TypeS to Joe Pescheles VW in Greenville, NC yesterday...and an 03 Jetta GLS TDI arrives at the same time at the dealership, from a family that is having another baby and is trading it in for a Van....before one of the salesmen can jump on it for himself (or so they said) she remembers my new TDI and how much I have been touting it, quickly calls me and my brother and she puts the deposit check down for it so my younger brother can drive down and look at it this weekend! (remember it took me 3 weeks through Autofinders to find my TDI). So..it looks like there's going to be 2 black Jetta TDI's in the family, along with his roomates' 05 Passat TDI. Since we all live so close together, this is a great opportunity for us to band together and get a BioD kit off the internet and start cranking. I've done some initial research, but does anybody have a specific vendor that they would recommend to purchase such a kit? Ingredients Vendors? Container Vendors? How safe is it to brew your own B100? I definitely don't want to do it at my place and risk blowing the side of my apartment building off, but the Passat guy has a huge backyard in Raleigh. Many Thanks! Carlos From symon at safenet-inc.com Thu Sep 8 12:31:36 2005 From: symon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Thu Sep 8 12:13:14 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <20050908132053.510B3CA8B8@mail2.blast.com> References: <20050908132053.510B3CA8B8@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: <43205958.6000802@safenet-inc.com> ##### >Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure >how much gas you have used. > Right. What matters is a consistent stopping point, not whether it is full. If you use the same pump, at the same trigger notch setting, and stop when it first pops, your mileage reading inaccuracy due to variance from fillup to fillup will be lost in the noise of routes, hills, weather, and drive habit consistency. Even if you can't use the same pump, most pumps you encounter are likely to be close enough that first pop will be pretty consistent. Tire size increases will not necessarily increase mileage. That just changes the engine rpm at a given true speed (not indicated speed) and that rpm may not be as efficient for that particular speed. For each turn of the engine you go farther but if that were the only consideration you would be better off always driving in your highest gear regardless of speed. You've changed the final gear ratio. It means you think the engineers were wrong given your peculiar driving habits, or you think the original tire size was influenced by non-engineering considerations such as marketing. Symon ##### The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From douglas at watchthisinteractive.com Thu Sep 8 13:05:44 2005 From: douglas at watchthisinteractive.com (Douglas Holt) Date: Thu Sep 8 14:58:06 2005 Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Best BioD Kit to Purchase? In-Reply-To: <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: <43206158.8090405@watchthisinteractive.com> I do not own one of these yet, but I have my eye on a FuelMeister from BioDiesel Solutions. http://www.fuelmeister.com/ Carlos Thompson wrote: >OK, > >Wow this is total fate...my mother is selling my 02 TL-TypeS to Joe Pescheles VW in Greenville, NC yesterday...and an 03 Jetta GLS TDI arrives at the same time at the dealership, from a family that is having another baby and is trading it in for a Van....before one of the salesmen can jump on it for himself (or so they said) she remembers my new TDI and how much I have been touting it, quickly calls me and my brother and she puts the deposit check down for it so my younger brother can drive down and look at it this weekend! (remember it took me 3 weeks through Autofinders to find my TDI). > >So..it looks like there's going to be 2 black Jetta TDI's in the family, along with his roomates' 05 Passat TDI. Since we all live so close together, this is a great opportunity for us to band together and get a BioD kit off the internet and start cranking. > >I've done some initial research, but does anybody have a specific vendor that they would recommend to purchase such a kit? Ingredients Vendors? Container Vendors? How safe is it to brew your own B100? I definitely don't want to do it at my place and risk blowing the side of my apartment building off, but the Passat guy has a huge backyard in Raleigh. > >Many Thanks! >Carlos >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > From richmason at mindspring.com Thu Sep 8 13:50:39 2005 From: richmason at mindspring.com (Rich Mason) Date: Thu Sep 8 19:25:18 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel In-Reply-To: <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: If you look inside the filler neck where you insert the fuel nozzle, there is a small black button on the left side a few inches down. Once you have filled up the tank until the pump clicks off, place the end of the fuel nozzle on this button, holding it down, and continue to slowly fill the tank. You may have to stop a few times to let the fuel go down but you should be able to fill the tank up so you can actually see the fuel level unless the fuel is very sudsy, in which case you should stop before one spills fuel. B100 is not sudsy at all as I recall so you can top up the tank more readily with it. Gas cars should not be topped up once the pump cuts off the first time because topping up the tank can defeat the evaporative canister system that catches fuel fumes, preventing them from entering the atmosphere. Diesel cars, as I understand it, have no such system because diesel is much less volatile than gasoline, thus the need for a different type of vent. If you go to the TDI forums, there is a procedure for removing this vent altogether so you don't need to push the button to fill it. Search under "ventectomy". -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Thompson [mailto:panthercat@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:21 AM To: biofuel Cc: Steven Baker; Rich Mason Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel Guess I gotta just slow down...thanks Gang! And yes I definitely keep my Wake County traffic lawyer in business (and the Durham one, and Mecklenburg =) Please explain this "venting the tank" technique Mr. Mason! I have noticed that I never truly get a full tank of B20 when I fill up my 04 Jetta GLS TDI. I also always notice the couple drops that fall when removing the nozzle are always bubbly or sudsy. I've figured out to basically keep on pumping in B20 slowy after the nozzle has stopped the first time until I can't take it and start fearing of overflow.... Yeah the way I calculate mpg is simply dividing the miles on TripA by the number of gallons I put in to make the car full. My friends 05 Passat TDI has the handy dandy Audi based mpg computer calculated display, but mine does not... Mr. Baker, maybe since the last couple tanks I have been slowly trying to top of the tank that I'm blowing my metrics...hmmmm. Is there an add-on part to a Jetta to precisly calculate mpg? Any better method people? Many Thanks, and I apologize for the TDI tangent! Carlos On Wednesday, September 07, 2005, at 09:48PM, Rich Mason wrote: >I also believe that tire size plays a role in this as well. IN my last >Jetta, the odometer was off by a plus 5-10% or so with the factory tire size >of 185/60/14. A 185/65/14 has twe effects. First, it makes the odometer >accurate, reducing the indicated miles per tank. Secondly, it decreases the >engine rpms at a given speed, increasing fuel efficiency if maintain your >previous average. Do they cancel each other out? Beats me! > >Finally, with newer VWs, venting the tank during fillup is the only way to >consistently fill the tank. By using the vent, you can fill the tank until >you can see the fuel, ensuring a full tank everytime. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Baker" >To: "biofuel" >Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel > > >> Couple things could be involved here. I have a 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. >> Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. >> >> The automatic is less efficient than a manual. I believe this to be a >> major impact. >> >> I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, or using the cruise control >> button. I accelerate slowly and press the cruise button when I have >> gotten to the speed I want. >> >> I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have seen show exceptional >> mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. I believe that staying >> below 65 makes a difference. >> >> Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure how >> much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage for the first 10.000 >> miles or so just using the figure from the pump and it came in regularly >> at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a station where the fuel came out >> really slow. When I checked I had gotten only about 36 mpg. The slow >> fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in than normal. Being upset >> with this reading, I drove slowly down to Wilmington the next day. I new >> something was strange when I got to 100 miles and the fuel gauge hadn't >> shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving conservatively and filled >> normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's the one I told my friends >> about, but both the 36 and 48 were bogus readings. >> >> I know that a lot of you guys out there know better than I do about these >> things - what's best? >> >> Steve >> >> On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Carlos Thompson wrote: >> >>> Rich, >>> >>> Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, >>> when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? >>> >>> FYI, >>> BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since last >>> Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has risen >>> since last Thursday. >>> >>> QUESTION: >>> I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI with >>> now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last tank was >>> all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the AC and Fan >>> OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? This is right >>> after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase inspection (I >>> already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I know the mpg gets >>> better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes I heavily influenced >>> that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any ideas gang before I post >>> this to the forums? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -Carlos >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Karlyn, >>>> >>>> Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this >>>> subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive it >>>> til >>>> something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to >>>> whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had >>>> no >>>> problems. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Karlyn Jensen" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >>>> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have >>>>> found >>>>> one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week >>>>> when >>>>> the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >>>>> weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list >>>>> and >>>>> lots of other Biofuel info. >>>>> >>>>> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that >>>>> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >>>>> >>>>> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI >>>>> with >>>>> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >>>>> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. >>>>> Has >>>>> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who >>>>> can >>>>> do it? >>>>> >>>>> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your >>>>> experience? >>>>> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -Karlyn >>>>> >>>>> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >>>>> -Ghandi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> >> Steve Baker >> 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. >> Chapel Hill, NC >> 27516 >> >> tel: (919) 960-5049 >> cell: (919) 593-7313 >> stevenbaker@nc.rr.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From biodiesel at yovo.info Thu Sep 8 16:00:10 2005 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Thu Sep 8 19:38:07 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Best BioD Kit to Purchase? In-Reply-To: <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: <43208A3A.9030205@yovo.info> Awesome, Carlos, Praise the lard! girl Mark's book is a great start for backyarding: http://www.localb100.com/book.html I the meantime you all can fill up on B99 at a growing number of tanks in the Triangle. Cheers, Jurgen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jurgen Henn biodiesel@yovo.info +01 919-423-3861 http://words.yovo.info/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carlos Thompson wrote: > OK, > > Wow this is total fate...my mother is selling my 02 TL-TypeS to Joe Pescheles VW in Greenville, NC yesterday...and an 03 Jetta GLS TDI arrives at the same time at the dealership, from a family that is having another baby and is trading it in for a Van....before one of the salesmen can jump on it for himself (or so they said) she remembers my new TDI and how much I have been touting it, quickly calls me and my brother and she puts the deposit check down for it so my younger brother can drive down and look at it this weekend! (remember it took me 3 weeks through Autofinders to find my TDI). > > So..it looks like there's going to be 2 black Jetta TDI's in the family, along with his roomates' 05 Passat TDI. Since we all live so close together, this is a great opportunity for us to band together and get a BioD kit off the internet and start cranking. > > I've done some initial research, but does anybody have a specific vendor that they would recommend to purchase such a kit? Ingredients Vendors? Container Vendors? How safe is it to brew your own B100? I definitely don't want to do it at my place and risk blowing the side of my apartment building off, but the Passat guy has a huge backyard in Raleigh. > > Many Thanks! > Carlos > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From dentonconrad at netzero.net Thu Sep 8 16:15:35 2005 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton) Date: Thu Sep 8 19:38:16 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] VW Lupo TDI driving for a record in fuel efficiency Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20050908151444.00c3ee78@pop.netzero.net> VW Lupo TDI driving for a record in fuel efficiency - http://www.dieselnet.com/news/0007vw.html From kevin at tackledesign.com Thu Sep 8 21:27:33 2005 From: kevin at tackledesign.com (kevin@tackledesign.com) Date: Thu Sep 8 21:59:35 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] hdpe and biodiesel Message-ID: <50970.24.225.87.210.1126229253.squirrel@24.225.87.210> Hi, I was wondering if there's any expertise on the list regarding the use of HDPE (high density polyethylene) plastics for outdoor biodiesel storage. I've been doing a bit of research on the topic and have found very little conclusive information. NREL and the National Biodiesel Board handling guides say that fluorinated HDPE is fine for long term storage but that normal HDPE may not hold up (they weren't very explicit on what the problems were). However, the tank manufacturers I've talked with said that there were no problems using normal HDPE. Neither side has made a convincing argument, so I'd be curious if anyone else has any more conclusive information. Also, in addition to the materials compatibility issues, I'm wondering about exposure to light, as the HDPE is translucent. Is that in itself an issue that I should worry about? My hope is to save some bucks by getting of those large outdoor HDPE chemical tanks for storage (as opposed to steel tank). But if the life span of the tank is reduced or the fuel degradation is accelerated due to light exposure then maybe I'm not saving any money in the end. I'd love to know if anyone has any first hand information on this. Given the price of steel these days it seems having a plastic option would be great. Thanks! Kevin From retdad at charter.net Fri Sep 9 07:59:24 2005 From: retdad at charter.net (BRWard) Date: Fri Sep 9 06:59:29 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: How to get started. Message-ID: <009901c5b52d$8a4dafb0$670fa8c0@UPSTAIRS> Hi all, I have been an observer here for some time now, and after seeing "Freedom Fuel America" on TV recently my neighbor and I decided to start checking things out Re: WVO. It seems that Bio Diesel Solutions offers a processor for conversion. Would this be the way to go, or is there a better unit available? We also checked out a number of restaurants only to find that they are under contract to one of at least three waste oil collectors. In contacting one of the waste oil collectors, and asking if we could buy from them, they said yes, but would need to buy 8000 gal. min. at $1.25/gal. How does one go about getting involved and maintaining a reliable supply of WVO? We are in the Hickory, NC area. Thank you very much. Burney Ward, Hickory From handj at tds.net Fri Sep 9 10:41:23 2005 From: handj at tds.net (jack berry) Date: Fri Sep 9 10:41:24 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <20050908132051.46BD9C9CA8@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: <20050909144120.CLHG30338.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@jacklaptop> Ya'know offhand without going to the tdi forum I would say driving 80mph is excessive and tends to lower your mileage. HELLO!!! There is no reason to need to be at 80 like the gassers in a hurry. Back off and enjoy getting there. To the first post, mileage will vary depending on how much you put in. You have to decides if you fill to the click off or continue pouring in until the fuel slops over the filler. You might want to consult the owners manual to see what VW has to say about it. To both of you I say, a little common sense goes a long way. -------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:21 AM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 Send Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list submissions to biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net You can reach the person managing the list at biofuels_interest_group-owner@lists.emji.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Biofuels_Interest_Group digest..." Today's Topics: 1. FW: 79 Mercedes TD (Cooley, Bill DURVAMC) 2. Renewable Energy Class at CCCC tonight! (Rachel Burton) 3. Re: ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel (Steven Baker) 4. Re: ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel (Rich Mason) 5. Roundtable Discussion on Peak Oil This Sunday (Rachel Burton) 6. Re: ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel (Carlos Thompson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:57:04 -0400 From: "Cooley, Bill DURVAMC" To: Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FW: 79 Mercedes TD Message-ID: <54FFC2B207071349BA7C67A83BDFC19E07C112@VHAV06MSGA1.v06.med.va.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 -----Original Message----- From: Cooley, Bill DURVAMC=20 Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:55 PM To: Cooley, Bill DURVAMC; Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: RE: 79 Mercedes TD I HAVE A 79 WAGON WITH 320,000 MILES;GOOD TO EXCELLENT CONDITION,LOOKS = AND RUNS GREAT. HAVE RUN B100. ASKING $2500 RALEIGH 919 233-3961 -----Original Message----- From: Cooley, Bill DURVAMC=20 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:03 PM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: FW: 79 Mercedes TD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:54:38 -0400 From: Rachel Burton To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net, Chatham Chatlist Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Renewable Energy Class at CCCC tonight! Message-ID: <3373980E-06D3-40A8-8009-DB976113E249@blast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Hey everyone! I know this is late notice... Tonight, September 7, 2005 at 6pm will start the Introduction to Renewable Energy course at Central Carolina Community College. The class will run through November 16, 2005 Dr. Jack Martin from NC A& T and Appalachian will be teaching this course covering the basics of renewable energy- Solar thermal energy, wind power, PV panels, microhydro, electric cars, and more ! If you are interested in reducing your personal dependance on foreign oil or investing in renewable energy, this class is a great start! For more information on the course call 919-542-6495 ext 223. Feel free to come next week if you cannot make it tonight. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:57:00 -0400 From: Steven Baker To: biofuel Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel Message-ID: <0ebbb18e850810067a485f3a237df47f@nc.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Couple things could be involved here. I have a 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. The automatic is less efficient than a manual. I believe this to be a major impact. I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, or using the cruise control button. I accelerate slowly and press the cruise button when I have gotten to the speed I want. I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have seen show exceptional mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. I believe that staying below 65 makes a difference. Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure how much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage for the first 10.000 miles or so just using the figure from the pump and it came in regularly at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a station where the fuel came out really slow. When I checked I had gotten only about 36 mpg. The slow fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in than normal. Being upset with this reading, I drove slowly down to Wilmington the next day. I new something was strange when I got to 100 miles and the fuel gauge hadn't shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving conservatively and filled normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's the one I told my friends about, but both the 36 and 48 were bogus readings. I know that a lot of you guys out there know better than I do about these things - what's best? Steve On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Carlos Thompson wrote: > Rich, > > Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, > when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? > > FYI, > BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since > last Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has > risen since last Thursday. > > QUESTION: > I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI > with now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last > tank was all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the > AC and Fan OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? > This is right after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase > inspection (I already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I > know the mpg gets better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes > I heavily influenced that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any > ideas gang before I post this to the forums? > > Thanks, > -Carlos > > > On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason > wrote: > >> Karlyn, >> >> Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on >> this >> subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive >> it til >> something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as >> to >> whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've >> had no >> problems. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karlyn Jensen" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >> >> >>> I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have >>> found >>> one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last >>> week when >>> the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple >>> of >>> weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this >>> list and >>> lots of other Biofuel info. >>> >>> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham >>> that >>> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >>> >>> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI >>> with >>> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >>> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. >>> Has >>> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who >>> can >>> do it? >>> >>> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your >>> experience? >>> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >>> >>> -Karlyn >>> >>> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >>> -Ghandi >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > Steve Baker 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. Chapel Hill, NC 27516 tel: (919) 960-5049 cell: (919) 593-7313 stevenbaker@nc.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:48:01 -0400 From: "Rich Mason" To: "Steven Baker" , "biofuel" Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel Message-ID: <001c01c5b417$592101b0$6401a8c0@RichMason> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0 @RichMason><3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <0ebbb18e850810067a485f3a237df47f@nc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I also believe that tire size plays a role in this as well. IN my last Jetta, the odometer was off by a plus 5-10% or so with the factory tire size of 185/60/14. A 185/65/14 has twe effects. First, it makes the odometer accurate, reducing the indicated miles per tank. Secondly, it decreases the engine rpms at a given speed, increasing fuel efficiency if maintain your previous average. Do they cancel each other out? Beats me! Finally, with newer VWs, venting the tank during fillup is the only way to consistently fill the tank. By using the vent, you can fill the tank until you can see the fuel, ensuring a full tank everytime. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Baker" To: "biofuel" Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel > Couple things could be involved here. I have a 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. > Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. > > The automatic is less efficient than a manual. I believe this to be a > major impact. > > I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, or using the cruise control > button. I accelerate slowly and press the cruise button when I have > gotten to the speed I want. > > I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have seen show exceptional > mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. I believe that staying > below 65 makes a difference. > > Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure how > much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage for the first 10.000 > miles or so just using the figure from the pump and it came in regularly > at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a station where the fuel came out > really slow. When I checked I had gotten only about 36 mpg. The slow > fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in than normal. Being upset > with this reading, I drove slowly down to Wilmington the next day. I new > something was strange when I got to 100 miles and the fuel gauge hadn't > shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving conservatively and filled > normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's the one I told my friends > about, but both the 36 and 48 were bogus readings. > > I know that a lot of you guys out there know better than I do about these > things - what's best? > > Steve > > On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Carlos Thompson wrote: > >> Rich, >> >> Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, >> when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? >> >> FYI, >> BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since last >> Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has risen >> since last Thursday. >> >> QUESTION: >> I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI with >> now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last tank was >> all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the AC and Fan >> OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? This is right >> after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase inspection (I >> already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I know the mpg gets >> better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes I heavily influenced >> that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any ideas gang before I post >> this to the forums? >> >> Thanks, >> -Carlos >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason >> wrote: >> >>> Karlyn, >>> >>> Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this >>> subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive it >>> til >>> something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to >>> whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had >>> no >>> problems. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Karlyn Jensen" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >>> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >>> >>> >>>> I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have >>>> found >>>> one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week >>>> when >>>> the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >>>> weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list >>>> and >>>> lots of other Biofuel info. >>>> >>>> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that >>>> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >>>> >>>> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI >>>> with >>>> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >>>> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. >>>> Has >>>> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who >>>> can >>>> do it? >>>> >>>> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your >>>> experience? >>>> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >>>> >>>> -Karlyn >>>> >>>> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >>>> -Ghandi >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> > Steve Baker > 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. > Chapel Hill, NC > 27516 > > tel: (919) 960-5049 > cell: (919) 593-7313 > stevenbaker@nc.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:56:14 -0400 From: Rachel Burton To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Roundtable Discussion on Peak Oil This Sunday Message-ID: References: <20050904191653.22893.qmail@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 > > Hello Everyone, > > Fighting foreign wars to maintain an ecomony based on > cheap fuel prices clearly isn't a good idea. With gas > prices tickling three and a half dollars wouldn't it > be nice to have a discussion about community based > solutions to the onset of Peak Oil, the idea that oil > production is about to or already has peaked, yet oil > consumption continues to grow. > Stephen and Rebekah > Rhen from NC Powerdown and Rachel Burton from Piedmont > Biofuels will be at the Silk Hope Catholic Worker this > Sunday, September 11, 2005 to lead a discussion about > what's going on in this area that might lead to a more > sane and peaceful transition into an economy less > dependent on fossil fuels. Please come and enjoy a > blanket on the warm dry grass of late summer and > participate. > There will be a potluck at five, and the > discussion starts at six. > > Peace, > Dan > Please call 919-663-4334 for directions. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:21:18 -0400 From: Carlos Thompson To: biofuel Cc: Steven Baker Cc: Rich Mason Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel Message-ID: <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <001c01c5b417$592101b0$6401a8c0@RichMason> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <001c01c5b417$592101b0$6401a8c0@RichMason> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Guess I gotta just slow down...thanks Gang! And yes I definitely keep my Wake County traffic lawyer in business (and the Durham one, and Mecklenburg =) Please explain this "venting the tank" technique Mr. Mason! I have noticed that I never truly get a full tank of B20 when I fill up my 04 Jetta GLS TDI. I also always notice the couple drops that fall when removing the nozzle are always bubbly or sudsy. I've figured out to basically keep on pumping in B20 slowy after the nozzle has stopped the first time until I can't take it and start fearing of overflow.... Yeah the way I calculate mpg is simply dividing the miles on TripA by the number of gallons I put in to make the car full. My friends 05 Passat TDI has the handy dandy Audi based mpg computer calculated display, but mine does not... Mr. Baker, maybe since the last couple tanks I have been slowly trying to top of the tank that I'm blowing my metrics...hmmmm. Is there an add-on part to a Jetta to precisly calculate mpg? Any better method people? Many Thanks, and I apologize for the TDI tangent! Carlos On Wednesday, September 07, 2005, at 09:48PM, Rich Mason wrote: >I also believe that tire size plays a role in this as well. IN my last >Jetta, the odometer was off by a plus 5-10% or so with the factory tire size >of 185/60/14. A 185/65/14 has twe effects. First, it makes the odometer >accurate, reducing the indicated miles per tank. Secondly, it decreases the >engine rpms at a given speed, increasing fuel efficiency if maintain your >previous average. Do they cancel each other out? Beats me! > >Finally, with newer VWs, venting the tank during fillup is the only way to >consistently fill the tank. By using the vent, you can fill the tank until >you can see the fuel, ensuring a full tank everytime. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Baker" >To: "biofuel" >Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel > > >> Couple things could be involved here. I have a 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. >> Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. >> >> The automatic is less efficient than a manual. I believe this to be a >> major impact. >> >> I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, or using the cruise control >> button. I accelerate slowly and press the cruise button when I have >> gotten to the speed I want. >> >> I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have seen show exceptional >> mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. I believe that staying >> below 65 makes a difference. >> >> Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure how >> much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage for the first 10.000 >> miles or so just using the figure from the pump and it came in regularly >> at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a station where the fuel came out >> really slow. When I checked I had gotten only about 36 mpg. The slow >> fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in than normal. Being upset >> with this reading, I drove slowly down to Wilmington the next day. I new >> something was strange when I got to 100 miles and the fuel gauge hadn't >> shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving conservatively and filled >> normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's the one I told my friends >> about, but both the 36 and 48 were bogus readings. >> >> I know that a lot of you guys out there know better than I do about these >> things - what's best? >> >> Steve >> >> On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Carlos Thompson wrote: >> >>> Rich, >>> >>> Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, >>> when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? >>> >>> FYI, >>> BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since last >>> Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has risen >>> since last Thursday. >>> >>> QUESTION: >>> I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI with >>> now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last tank was >>> all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the AC and Fan >>> OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? This is right >>> after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase inspection (I >>> already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I know the mpg gets >>> better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes I heavily influenced >>> that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any ideas gang before I post >>> this to the forums? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -Carlos >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Karlyn, >>>> >>>> Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this >>>> subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive it >>>> til >>>> something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to >>>> whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had >>>> no >>>> problems. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Karlyn Jensen" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >>>> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have >>>>> found >>>>> one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week >>>>> when >>>>> the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >>>>> weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list >>>>> and >>>>> lots of other Biofuel info. >>>>> >>>>> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that >>>>> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >>>>> >>>>> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI >>>>> with >>>>> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >>>>> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. >>>>> Has >>>>> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who >>>>> can >>>>> do it? >>>>> >>>>> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your >>>>> experience? >>>>> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -Karlyn >>>>> >>>>> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >>>>> -Ghandi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> >> Steve Baker >> 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. >> Chapel Hill, NC >> 27516 >> >> tel: (919) 960-5049 >> cell: (919) 593-7313 >> stevenbaker@nc.rr.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group End of Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 ***************************************************** From handj at tds.net Fri Sep 9 10:45:01 2005 From: handj at tds.net (jack berry) Date: Fri Sep 9 10:45:03 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <20050908233828.A482ECA6D1@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: <20050909144458.CMOG30338.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@jacklaptop> Carlos, Instead of investing 3K++ in a Fuelmeister look into the www.veggieavenger.com and www.localb100.com websites about building a processor from parts. Another place to shop is www.biodieselwarehouse.com. Good luck. ------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:38 PM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10 Send Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list submissions to biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net You can reach the person managing the list at biofuels_interest_group-owner@lists.emji.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Biofuels_Interest_Group digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Best BioD Kit to Purchase? (Carlos Thompson) 2. Re: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 (Jim Symon) 3. ***SPAM*** Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Best BioD Kit to Purchase? (Douglas Holt) 4. RE: ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel (Rich Mason) 5. Re: Best BioD Kit to Purchase? (Jurgen Henn) 6. VW Lupo TDI driving for a record in fuel efficiency (Denton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:55:05 -0400 From: Carlos Thompson To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Best BioD Kit to Purchase? Message-ID: <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 OK, Wow this is total fate...my mother is selling my 02 TL-TypeS to Joe Pescheles VW in Greenville, NC yesterday...and an 03 Jetta GLS TDI arrives at the same time at the dealership, from a family that is having another baby and is trading it in for a Van....before one of the salesmen can jump on it for himself (or so they said) she remembers my new TDI and how much I have been touting it, quickly calls me and my brother and she puts the deposit check down for it so my younger brother can drive down and look at it this weekend! (remember it took me 3 weeks through Autofinders to find my TDI). So..it looks like there's going to be 2 black Jetta TDI's in the family, along with his roomates' 05 Passat TDI. Since we all live so close together, this is a great opportunity for us to band together and get a BioD kit off the internet and start cranking. I've done some initial research, but does anybody have a specific vendor that they would recommend to purchase such a kit? Ingredients Vendors? Container Vendors? How safe is it to brew your own B100? I definitely don't want to do it at my place and risk blowing the side of my apartment building off, but the Passat guy has a huge backyard in Raleigh. Many Thanks! Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:31:36 -0400 From: Jim Symon To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 9 Message-ID: <43205958.6000802@safenet-inc.com> In-Reply-To: <20050908132053.510B3CA8B8@mail2.blast.com> References: <20050908132053.510B3CA8B8@mail2.blast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 ##### >Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure >how much gas you have used. > Right. What matters is a consistent stopping point, not whether it is full. If you use the same pump, at the same trigger notch setting, and stop when it first pops, your mileage reading inaccuracy due to variance from fillup to fillup will be lost in the noise of routes, hills, weather, and drive habit consistency. Even if you can't use the same pump, most pumps you encounter are likely to be close enough that first pop will be pretty consistent. Tire size increases will not necessarily increase mileage. That just changes the engine rpm at a given true speed (not indicated speed) and that rpm may not be as efficient for that particular speed. For each turn of the engine you go farther but if that were the only consideration you would be better off always driving in your highest gear regardless of speed. You've changed the final gear ratio. It means you think the engineers were wrong given your peculiar driving habits, or you think the original tire size was influenced by non-engineering considerations such as marketing. Symon ##### The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:05:44 -0400 From: Douglas Holt To: Carlos Thompson Cc: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Best BioD Kit to Purchase? Message-ID: <43206158.8090405@watchthisinteractive.com> In-Reply-To: <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I do not own one of these yet, but I have my eye on a FuelMeister from BioDiesel Solutions. http://www.fuelmeister.com/ Carlos Thompson wrote: >OK, > >Wow this is total fate...my mother is selling my 02 TL-TypeS to Joe Pescheles VW in Greenville, NC yesterday...and an 03 Jetta GLS TDI arrives at the same time at the dealership, from a family that is having another baby and is trading it in for a Van....before one of the salesmen can jump on it for himself (or so they said) she remembers my new TDI and how much I have been touting it, quickly calls me and my brother and she puts the deposit check down for it so my younger brother can drive down and look at it this weekend! (remember it took me 3 weeks through Autofinders to find my TDI). > >So..it looks like there's going to be 2 black Jetta TDI's in the family, along with his roomates' 05 Passat TDI. Since we all live so close together, this is a great opportunity for us to band together and get a BioD kit off the internet and start cranking. > >I've done some initial research, but does anybody have a specific vendor that they would recommend to purchase such a kit? Ingredients Vendors? Container Vendors? How safe is it to brew your own B100? I definitely don't want to do it at my place and risk blowing the side of my apartment building off, but the Passat guy has a huge backyard in Raleigh. > >Many Thanks! >Carlos >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:50:39 -0400 From: "Rich Mason" To: "'Carlos Thompson'" , "'biofuel'" Cc: 'Steven Baker' Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 If you look inside the filler neck where you insert the fuel nozzle, there is a small black button on the left side a few inches down. Once you have filled up the tank until the pump clicks off, place the end of the fuel nozzle on this button, holding it down, and continue to slowly fill the tank. You may have to stop a few times to let the fuel go down but you should be able to fill the tank up so you can actually see the fuel level unless the fuel is very sudsy, in which case you should stop before one spills fuel. B100 is not sudsy at all as I recall so you can top up the tank more readily with it. Gas cars should not be topped up once the pump cuts off the first time because topping up the tank can defeat the evaporative canister system that catches fuel fumes, preventing them from entering the atmosphere. Diesel cars, as I understand it, have no such system because diesel is much less volatile than gasoline, thus the need for a different type of vent. If you go to the TDI forums, there is a procedure for removing this vent altogether so you don't need to push the button to fill it. Search under "ventectomy". -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Thompson [mailto:panthercat@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:21 AM To: biofuel Cc: Steven Baker; Rich Mason Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel Guess I gotta just slow down...thanks Gang! And yes I definitely keep my Wake County traffic lawyer in business (and the Durham one, and Mecklenburg =) Please explain this "venting the tank" technique Mr. Mason! I have noticed that I never truly get a full tank of B20 when I fill up my 04 Jetta GLS TDI. I also always notice the couple drops that fall when removing the nozzle are always bubbly or sudsy. I've figured out to basically keep on pumping in B20 slowy after the nozzle has stopped the first time until I can't take it and start fearing of overflow.... Yeah the way I calculate mpg is simply dividing the miles on TripA by the number of gallons I put in to make the car full. My friends 05 Passat TDI has the handy dandy Audi based mpg computer calculated display, but mine does not... Mr. Baker, maybe since the last couple tanks I have been slowly trying to top of the tank that I'm blowing my metrics...hmmmm. Is there an add-on part to a Jetta to precisly calculate mpg? Any better method people? Many Thanks, and I apologize for the TDI tangent! Carlos On Wednesday, September 07, 2005, at 09:48PM, Rich Mason wrote: >I also believe that tire size plays a role in this as well. IN my last >Jetta, the odometer was off by a plus 5-10% or so with the factory tire size >of 185/60/14. A 185/65/14 has twe effects. First, it makes the odometer >accurate, reducing the indicated miles per tank. Secondly, it decreases the >engine rpms at a given speed, increasing fuel efficiency if maintain your >previous average. Do they cancel each other out? Beats me! > >Finally, with newer VWs, venting the tank during fillup is the only way to >consistently fill the tank. By using the vent, you can fill the tank until >you can see the fuel, ensuring a full tank everytime. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steven Baker" >To: "biofuel" >Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel > > >> Couple things could be involved here. I have a 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. >> Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. >> >> The automatic is less efficient than a manual. I believe this to be a >> major impact. >> >> I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, or using the cruise control >> button. I accelerate slowly and press the cruise button when I have >> gotten to the speed I want. >> >> I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have seen show exceptional >> mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. I believe that staying >> below 65 makes a difference. >> >> Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure how >> much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage for the first 10.000 >> miles or so just using the figure from the pump and it came in regularly >> at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a station where the fuel came out >> really slow. When I checked I had gotten only about 36 mpg. The slow >> fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in than normal. Being upset >> with this reading, I drove slowly down to Wilmington the next day. I new >> something was strange when I got to 100 miles and the fuel gauge hadn't >> shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving conservatively and filled >> normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's the one I told my friends >> about, but both the 36 and 48 were bogus readings. >> >> I know that a lot of you guys out there know better than I do about these >> things - what's best? >> >> Steve >> >> On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Carlos Thompson wrote: >> >>> Rich, >>> >>> Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, >>> when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? >>> >>> FYI, >>> BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since last >>> Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has risen >>> since last Thursday. >>> >>> QUESTION: >>> I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI with >>> now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last tank was >>> all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the AC and Fan >>> OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? This is right >>> after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase inspection (I >>> already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I know the mpg gets >>> better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes I heavily influenced >>> that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any ideas gang before I post >>> this to the forums? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -Carlos >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Karlyn, >>>> >>>> Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this >>>> subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive it >>>> til >>>> something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to >>>> whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had >>>> no >>>> problems. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Karlyn Jensen" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >>>> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have >>>>> found >>>>> one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week >>>>> when >>>>> the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >>>>> weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list >>>>> and >>>>> lots of other Biofuel info. >>>>> >>>>> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that >>>>> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >>>>> >>>>> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI >>>>> with >>>>> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >>>>> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. >>>>> Has >>>>> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who >>>>> can >>>>> do it? >>>>> >>>>> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your >>>>> experience? >>>>> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> -Karlyn >>>>> >>>>> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >>>>> -Ghandi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> >> Steve Baker >> 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. >> Chapel Hill, NC >> 27516 >> >> tel: (919) 960-5049 >> cell: (919) 593-7313 >> stevenbaker@nc.rr.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:00:10 -0400 From: Jurgen Henn To: Carlos Thompson , biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Best BioD Kit to Purchase? Message-ID: <43208A3A.9030205@yovo.info> In-Reply-To: <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <000c01c5b334$9896fb30$6401a8c0@RichMason> <3737219.1126097277993.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <4381548.1126185678719.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <11930977.1126191305137.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Awesome, Carlos, Praise the lard! girl Mark's book is a great start for backyarding: http://www.localb100.com/book.html I the meantime you all can fill up on B99 at a growing number of tanks in the Triangle. Cheers, Jurgen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jurgen Henn biodiesel@yovo.info +01 919-423-3861 http://words.yovo.info/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carlos Thompson wrote: > OK, > > Wow this is total fate...my mother is selling my 02 TL-TypeS to Joe Pescheles VW in Greenville, NC yesterday...and an 03 Jetta GLS TDI arrives at the same time at the dealership, from a family that is having another baby and is trading it in for a Van....before one of the salesmen can jump on it for himself (or so they said) she remembers my new TDI and how much I have been touting it, quickly calls me and my brother and she puts the deposit check down for it so my younger brother can drive down and look at it this weekend! (remember it took me 3 weeks through Autofinders to find my TDI). > > So..it looks like there's going to be 2 black Jetta TDI's in the family, along with his roomates' 05 Passat TDI. Since we all live so close together, this is a great opportunity for us to band together and get a BioD kit off the internet and start cranking. > > I've done some initial research, but does anybody have a specific vendor that they would recommend to purchase such a kit? Ingredients Vendors? Container Vendors? How safe is it to brew your own B100? I definitely don't want to do it at my place and risk blowing the side of my apartment building off, but the Passat guy has a huge backyard in Raleigh. > > Many Thanks! > Carlos > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:15:35 -0400 From: Denton To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] VW Lupo TDI driving for a record in fuel efficiency Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20050908151444.00c3ee78@pop.netzero.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 VW Lupo TDI driving for a record in fuel efficiency - http://www.dieselnet.com/news/0007vw.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group End of Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10 ****************************************************** From karlynmeow at hotmail.com Fri Sep 9 12:33:59 2005 From: karlynmeow at hotmail.com (Karlyn Jensen) Date: Fri Sep 9 11:34:01 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Diesel doesn't like short trips?? Message-ID: Hi all, Someone told me that diesels don't like short 5-10 minute trips. Is that true? -Karlyn "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi From dpwoolcock at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 10:17:32 2005 From: dpwoolcock at yahoo.com (douglas woolcock) Date: Fri Sep 9 12:17:32 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Diesel doesn't like short trips?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050909161732.60774.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> No combustion engines like short trips. So yes, that is true. Cold engines perform poorly, the water and feul in the oil doesn't evaporate, etc. If you look at the TDI, they have big electrical heaters to help the whole system warm up quickly, and then stay warm. The efficiency/design of a diesel can prevent it from warming up under certain conditions, and may be what your informant is talking about. However, given that most diesels last 2-4 times more miles, on average, dont think its true. For a great 5-10 minute vehicle, check out: http://www.gemcar.com/ Douglas --- Karlyn Jensen wrote: > > Hi all, > > Someone told me that diesels don't like short 5-10 > minute trips. Is that > true? > > > > > -Karlyn > > "Be the change you wish to see in the world." > -Ghandi > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dpwoolcock at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 11:25:58 2005 From: dpwoolcock at yahoo.com (douglas woolcock) Date: Fri Sep 9 13:36:25 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: How to get started. In-Reply-To: <009901c5b52d$8a4dafb0$670fa8c0@UPSTAIRS> Message-ID: <20050909172629.90305.qmail@web52006.mail.yahoo.com> This is interesting. I have started having a hard time finding WVO as well, with similar comments from restuarants. I wonder if there's a cheaper source with lower requirements? Douglas --- BRWard wrote: > Hi all, > I have been an observer here for some time now, > and after seeing > "Freedom Fuel America" on TV recently my neighbor > and I decided to start > checking things out Re: WVO. It seems that Bio > Diesel Solutions offers a > processor for conversion. Would this be the way to > go, or is there a better > unit available? We also checked out a number of > restaurants only to find > that they are under contract to one of at least > three waste oil collectors. > In contacting one of the waste oil collectors, and > asking if we could buy > from them, they said yes, but would need to buy 8000 > gal. min. at $1.25/gal. > How does one go about getting involved and > maintaining a reliable supply of > WVO? > We are in the Hickory, NC area. > Thank you very much. > Burney Ward, Hickory > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Sep 9 16:10:56 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Sep 9 15:10:58 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] VW Beetle wins fuel economy award: 76 mpg References: <1126277098.1167.63036.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <8A2DEE6D-C5CA-45FE-AA39-A4920E74264D@blast.com> > > Hi, I thought this story should be of interest to you. > > Ernie Rogers > > Over the Labor Day weekend, the TDI Club had it's annual get- > together called > "TDI Fest." The club has a large percentage of car efficiency > enthusiasts > that have chosen diesel technology instead of hybrids. TDI (short for > "Turbocharged Direct Injection" is Volkswagen's label for it's > highly-efficient > automobile diesel engines. 150 people showed up for the three-day > affair near > Madison, Wisconsin. They were a small segment of the approximately > 35,000 club > members that have registered at _http://www.tdiclub.com_ > (http://www.tdiclub.com/) . The meeting was about efficiency and > also about high performance. With a > TDI-powered car, you can definitely have both. > > Attendees drove to the meeting from all over the U.S. and Canada > to show off > their beloved fuel-sipping cars. Cars were entered in a variety of > competitions from road rallying to extreme fuel economy. > > The fuel economy prize was won by Ernie Rogers from Pleasant > Grove, Utah. > His winning car is a 2003 VW Beetle TDI. He drove 1375 miles to get > to the > meeting using just 18 gallons of fuel-- 1200 miles of which was > accomplished on > just one tankfull (15.5 gallons). His trip fuel economy was 76 > miles per > gallon. > Rogers' car included several small refinements that added up to the > exceptional mileage: a drag reducing device he designed and built > himself (pictures > at _http://www.max-mpg.com_ (http://www.max-mpg.com/) ), > lower-rolling-resistance tires, low-friction engine oil, and use of > a B5 biodiesel blend fuel to > increase efficiency and improve emissions. > > The hottest topic of conversation at the meeting, and the subject > of a > popular technical session, was on the benefits of using biodiesel or > biodiesel-blend fuels. Most of the attendees were either already > using biodiesel or had > decided to start. It was noted that research in Canada had shown > that a fuel > blend with only 1% biodiesel can increase a car's fuel economy by > as much as > 14% while substantially lowering emissions. > > Biodiesel is one of many new sulfur-free diesel engine fuels now > entering > the market in small quantities. Most of the new fuels (including > biodiesel) are > not made from petroleum, but from a number of renewable sources. > Biodiesel > can be made from soybean oil, canola oil, or other seed oils, and > from many > oily wastes such as animal fats. Low-grade oils and fats that are > not fit for > use in foods have now found a new usefulness. In the future, we > will be able > to make renewable diesel fuels from other wastes such as garbage > and leftovers > from harvesting of many crops including wood. > > Diesel engines provide exceptionally high torque at low rpm, as > well as 43% > peak efficiency, higher than any other type of engine. While > diesels gained a > bad reputation in the past for high emissions, newly developed > engines have > overcome the problem, running clean on fuels with very low sulfur > content. > > Diesel engines naturally emit less carbon dioxide (a greenhouse > gas) because > of their higher efficiency. > > For more in-depth information on TDI cars and TDI Fest, go to > _http://www.tdiclub.com_ (http://www.tdiclub.com/) Warning: If you > were thinking of buying > a TDI car, expect disappointment. These cars have become very > scarce because > of high fuel prices. From john.bonitz at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 19:08:14 2005 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Fri Sep 9 18:08:16 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Best BioD Kit to Purchase? Message-ID: <84a57a420509091508557c1609@mail.gmail.com> Hello Carlos! Congrats on the two VW diesels! You asked "I've done some initial research, but does anybody have a specific vendor that they would recommend to purchase such a kit? Ingredients Vendors? Container Vendors? How safe is it to brew your own B100?" I'm not sure, but it sounds like you're asking about two different things: - kits to convert your car to run veggie oil (straight or waste veggie oil = SVO or WVO) AND - systems to make your own biodiesel at home, from waste vegetable oil. Regarding SVO / WVO kits, a good place to learn is here: http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/ There's an extensive archive of FAQs and posts that you can search to find your answers, or post questions to answers you cannot find yourself. The link Jurgen gave is to a booklet that Girl Mark distributes (for printing costs). You will definitely benefit from owning a copy. If you are really chomping at the bit to own a copy, come visit us this Sunday (tours at 1pm) at the Coop Refinery, and we can sell you a copy. http://www.biofuels.coop/directions.shtml In the meantime, the following link will allow you to do some reading into the safety question, as well as the brewing process, and making your own reactor out of an old hotwater heater. http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/ Also, Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative is planning to bring Girl Mark back to the area sometime this winter to lead a hands-on workshop in building the Appleseed Reactor, and learning to brew your own biodiesel. Please stay tuned. We should be announcing a date soon. -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC www.biofuels.coop From robcabl at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 05:28:41 2005 From: robcabl at yahoo.com (Tom Robertson) Date: Sun Sep 11 07:55:41 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] waste to diesel Message-ID: <20050911112841.56450.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Global_Finest ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/shelter From robcabl at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 05:33:52 2005 From: robcabl at yahoo.com (Tom Robertson) Date: Sun Sep 11 08:01:29 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] pure energy site Message-ID: <20050911113352.11794.qmail@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Neat site about whats happening in energy advances. http://pesn.com/2005/05/16/6900096_Syngas/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dentonconrad at netzero.net Sun Sep 11 10:47:13 2005 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton) Date: Sun Sep 11 09:47:33 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Waste to diesel In-Reply-To: <20050911112841.56450.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20050911091812.00bc06c8@pop.netzero.net> Excellent find, Tom. Several years ago I was given an article from Discover magazine (Vol 24 No. 5 May 2003) entitled "Anything into Oil". The company of concern is called Changing World Technologies - http://www.changingworldtech.com/information_center/press_releases.asp?id=19 CWT uses a technology they call thermal depolymerization process (TDP) which is nicely described at Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_conversion_process "The Carthage, MO plant produces API 40+, a high value crude oil comparable to diesel fuel." "According to a recent article by Fortune Magazine, the Carthage plant is currently producing about 400 barrels per day of crude oil. This oil is being refined as No. 2 (a standard grade oil which is used for diesel and gasoline) and No. 4 (a lower grade oil used in industrial heating)." - The US buries millions of tons of garbage every year. " 80% of all garbage generated in the US is buried in landfills. But they are closing at a rate of 2 per day." - http://www.waste-not.org/articles/trash_man.html I am totally convinced that we are burying the very stuff that can be used to help make us energy independent. I am now totally convinced that we have the technology to recycle everything! Do we collectively have enough sense to do make it happen? Denton At 04:28 AM 9/11/2005 -0700, you wrote: >http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Global_Finest From jewreindeer at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 16:20:12 2005 From: jewreindeer at yahoo.com (Matt Rudolf) Date: Mon Sep 12 07:47:07 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: fiberglass reactors In-Reply-To: <20050907181718.BF767CA770@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: <20050911222012.69968.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> joel, i have had bad experience using fiberglass in reactors. i used it to make a conical bottom (like a funnel) in a steel barrel, and the resin that holds the fiberglass together couldn't resist the reaction, and after the third batch got so soft i could carve into it with my finger. part of the melted resin got into the reaction and made a ton of emulsion. a couple days after i drained it, it got hard again, but i decided to take it out anyway, which i had to do by burning it out with a flaming kerosine soaked rag. matt ---------------------- Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about using a fiberglass tank for a processor? I have access to a tank that is 1/2 inch thick, 4 feet in diameter and about 12 feet tall. It has a conical bottom with an outlet valve. It has stored caustic material used in the automotive industry. Thanks. Joel Eizenstat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tim_turner at ncsu.edu Mon Sep 12 13:19:02 2005 From: tim_turner at ncsu.edu (Tim Turner) Date: Mon Sep 12 15:03:41 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: fiberglass reactors In-Reply-To: <20050911222012.69968.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050911222012.69968.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4325AA76.3050401@ncsu.edu> Hi Matt, I had a similar experience with fiberglass. We used fiberglass to close the bottom of our methoxide tank, since we now draw the methoxide from the top rather than from the bottom. After a while, I could dig out the fiberglass patch with a piece of pvc pipe. I am hoping to redo the seal using epozy rather than the fiberglass resin. Does anyone know if that will work? Tim Matt Rudolf wrote: >joel, >i have had bad experience using fiberglass in >reactors. i used it to make a conical bottom (like a >funnel) in a steel barrel, and the resin that holds >the fiberglass together couldn't resist the reaction, >and after the third batch got so soft i could carve >into it with my finger. part of the melted resin got >into the reaction and made a ton of emulsion. >a couple days after i drained it, it got hard again, >but i decided to take it out anyway, which i had to do >by burning it out with a flaming kerosine soaked rag. > >matt > >---------------------- >Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about >using a fiberglass tank for a processor? I have >access to a tank that is 1/2 inch thick, 4 feet in >diameter and about 12 feet tall. It has a conical >bottom with an outlet valve. It has stored caustic >material used in the automotive industry. Thanks. > >Joel Eizenstat > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From karlynmeow at hotmail.com Mon Sep 12 17:08:03 2005 From: karlynmeow at hotmail.com (Karlyn Jensen) Date: Mon Sep 12 16:08:04 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** diesel and short trips revisited Message-ID: Thank you for all the responses about diesels and short 5-10 minute trips. The answers seemed to focus on whether it could heat up properly and that cold diesel engines perform poorly. My next question is will I will damage the car by doing short trips? Will there be mechanical problems if I do short trips a few times each week? -Karlyn "Regret is more frightening than failure." "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -George Eliot "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:17:32 -0700 (PDT) From: douglas woolcock To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Diesel doesn't like short trips?? Message-ID: <20050909161732.60774.qmail@web52004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3 No combustion engines like short trips. So yes, that is true. Cold engines perform poorly, the water and feul in the oil doesn't evaporate, etc. If you look at the TDI, they have big electrical heaters to help the whole system warm up quickly, and then stay warm. The efficiency/design of a diesel can prevent it from warming up under certain conditions, and may be what your informant is talking about. However, given that most diesels last 2-4 times more miles, on average, dont think its true. For a great 5-10 minute vehicle, check out: http://www.gemcar.com/ Douglas Thank you for all the responses about diesels and short 5-10 minute trips. The answers seemed to focus on whterh it could heat up properly -Karlyn "Regret is more frightening than failure." "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -George Eliot "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi From panthercat at mac.com Tue Sep 13 15:33:36 2005 From: panthercat at mac.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Tue Sep 13 14:33:40 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7683297.1126636416108.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Mr. Mason thank you! The vent technique works like a charm..I finally got a full tank of B20. I vented it about 6-7 times to get the pump to click off immediately..is that excessive? B20's down to $2.799 now at both the Cary and Garner pumps FYI. Another trick I do is to grab a handful of the plastic diesel pumping mits at the 64W Cary BP B20 pump and put them in my passegner side door compartment. The Garner one does not have these and that pump is quite gunky. Hopefully this will allow me to better calculate mileage...I beleive every tank before this I was slowly learning how to put more B20 in, causing my mileage to go off. I'd tried going 65...just can't do it =) Thanks again Gents. Sidenote, Any interest in a BIG Meet? TDIfest is way out of the question for me, but a local meet to show our vehicles and B100 kit knowledge would be nice. I would love to see a SVO conversion in person. -Carlos On Thursday, September 08, 2005, at 12:48PM, Rich Mason wrote: >If you look inside the filler neck where you insert the fuel nozzle, there >is a small black button on the left side a few inches down. Once you have >filled up the tank until the pump clicks off, place the end of the fuel >nozzle on this button, holding it down, and continue to slowly fill the >tank. You may have to stop a few times to let the fuel go down but you >should be able to fill the tank up so you can actually see the fuel level >unless the fuel is very sudsy, in which case you should stop before one >spills fuel. B100 is not sudsy at all as I recall so you can top up the >tank more readily with it. > >Gas cars should not be topped up once the pump cuts off the first time >because topping up the tank can defeat the evaporative canister system that >catches fuel fumes, preventing them from entering the atmosphere. Diesel >cars, as I understand it, have no such system because diesel is much less >volatile than gasoline, thus the need for a different type of vent. > >If you go to the TDI forums, there is a procedure for removing this vent >altogether so you don't need to push the button to fill it. Search under >"ventectomy". > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carlos Thompson [mailto:panthercat@mac.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:21 AM >To: biofuel >Cc: Steven Baker; Rich Mason >Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel > >Guess I gotta just slow down...thanks Gang! And yes I definitely keep my >Wake County traffic lawyer in business (and the Durham one, and Mecklenburg >=) > >Please explain this "venting the tank" technique Mr. Mason! I have noticed >that I never truly get a full tank of B20 when I fill up my 04 Jetta GLS >TDI. I also always notice the couple drops that fall when removing the >nozzle are always bubbly or sudsy. I've figured out to basically keep on >pumping in B20 slowy after the nozzle has stopped the first time until I >can't take it and start fearing of overflow.... > >Yeah the way I calculate mpg is simply dividing the miles on TripA by the >number of gallons I put in to make the car full. My friends 05 Passat TDI >has the handy dandy Audi based mpg computer calculated display, but mine >does not... > >Mr. Baker, maybe since the last couple tanks I have been slowly trying to >top of the tank that I'm blowing my metrics...hmmmm. Is there an add-on >part to a Jetta to precisly calculate mpg? Any better method people? > >Many Thanks, and I apologize for the TDI tangent! >Carlos > > > > > >On Wednesday, September 07, 2005, at 09:48PM, Rich Mason > wrote: > >>I also believe that tire size plays a role in this as well. IN my last >>Jetta, the odometer was off by a plus 5-10% or so with the factory tire >size >>of 185/60/14. A 185/65/14 has twe effects. First, it makes the odometer >>accurate, reducing the indicated miles per tank. Secondly, it decreases >the >>engine rpms at a given speed, increasing fuel efficiency if maintain your >>previous average. Do they cancel each other out? Beats me! >> >>Finally, with newer VWs, venting the tank during fillup is the only way to >>consistently fill the tank. By using the vent, you can fill the tank until > >>you can see the fuel, ensuring a full tank everytime. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Steven Baker" >>To: "biofuel" >>Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:57 PM >>Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >> >> >>> Couple things could be involved here. I have a 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. >>> Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. >>> >>> The automatic is less efficient than a manual. I believe this to be a >>> major impact. >>> >>> I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, or using the cruise >control >>> button. I accelerate slowly and press the cruise button when I have >>> gotten to the speed I want. >>> >>> I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have seen show exceptional >>> mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. I believe that staying >>> below 65 makes a difference. >>> >>> Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. It is hard to be sure >how >>> much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage for the first 10.000 >>> miles or so just using the figure from the pump and it came in regularly >>> at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a station where the fuel came out > >>> really slow. When I checked I had gotten only about 36 mpg. The slow >>> fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in than normal. Being >upset >>> with this reading, I drove slowly down to Wilmington the next day. I new > >>> something was strange when I got to 100 miles and the fuel gauge hadn't >>> shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving conservatively and >filled >>> normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's the one I told my >friends >>> about, but both the 36 and 48 were bogus readings. >>> >>> I know that a lot of you guys out there know better than I do about these > >>> things - what's best? >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Carlos Thompson wrote: >>> >>>> Rich, >>>> >>>> Just lookin out for my co-worker Karlyn (yeay she joined!) and myself, >>>> when you say TDI Forums, you mean http://forums.tdiclub.com/ correct? >>>> >>>> FYI, >>>> BP B20 in Garner is still holding strong at 2.859..same price since last > >>>> Thursday...the dinodiesel down the street is at 2.909...which has risen >>>> since last Thursday. >>>> >>>> QUESTION: >>>> I'm only getting an average of ***34*** mpg on my 04 Jetta GLS TDI with >>>> now 18.5K on it. What's the deal??? Is it the B20? The last tank was >>>> all highway miles traveling over Labor Day weekend, with the AC and Fan >>>> OFF, going an average of 80mph. What am I doing wrong? This is right >>>> after an oil change and a complete used-car-pre-purchase inspection (I >>>> already owned it) that came up with zero problems....I know the mpg gets > >>>> better over time, but my friend's 05 Passat TDI (yes I heavily >influenced >>>> that purchase) is easily getting 41mpg. Any ideas gang before I post >>>> this to the forums? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> -Carlos >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, September 06, 2005, at 06:45PM, Rich Mason >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Karlyn, >>>>> >>>>> Go to the TDI Forums. You will be overwhelmed with information on this >>>>> subject. We run b100 in my wife's TDI with no problems. I say drive >it >>>>> til >>>>> something leaks and then replace that part. There is some debate as to >>>>> whether you need to replace anything anyway...we haven't and we've had >>>>> no >>>>> problems. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Karlyn Jensen" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 4:43 PM >>>>> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I am in the process of purchasing a diesel Beetle. I'm lucky to have >>>>>> found >>>>>> one as lots of other people suddenly decided to buy diesels last week >>>>>> when >>>>>> the price of gas went up. I had been thinking about it for a couple of >>>>>> weeks ever since my coworker Carlos Thompsen sent me info on this list > >>>>>> and >>>>>> lots of other Biofuel info. >>>>>> >>>>>> Initially, I plan to run B20 purchased from the station in Durham that >>>>>> sells it. And I plan to take the CCCC class coming up next week. >>>>>> >>>>>> But what I'd like to know is if anyone on this list is running a TDI >>>>>> with >>>>>> B100. I read on the net that there are some gaskets or plastic/rubber >>>>>> parts that are incompatible with Bio - ie. the Bio will eat it away. >>>>>> Has >>>>>> anyone replaced those and know of a good, fairly priced mechanic who >>>>>> can >>>>>> do it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, if you are running a TDI with B100 - what has been your >>>>>> experience? >>>>>> Any advice, tips, tricks, etc. would be most appreciated. Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> -Karlyn >>>>>> >>>>>> "Be the change you wish to see in the world." >>>>>> -Ghandi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> >>> Steve Baker >>> 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. >>> Chapel Hill, NC >>> 27516 >>> >>> tel: (919) 960-5049 >>> cell: (919) 593-7313 >>> stevenbaker@nc.rr.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> > > > From dpwoolcock at yahoo.com Tue Sep 13 14:12:24 2005 From: dpwoolcock at yahoo.com (douglas woolcock) Date: Tue Sep 13 16:12:27 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** RE: TDIs and Biofuel In-Reply-To: <7683297.1126636416108.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: <20050913201224.49635.qmail@web52012.mail.yahoo.com> OOOH, a triangle hippy fest! I too would love to see some other tdi's setups. Douglas --- Carlos Thompson wrote: > Mr. Mason thank you! > > The vent technique works like a charm..I finally got > a full tank of B20. I vented it about 6-7 times to > get the pump to click off immediately..is that > excessive? > > B20's down to $2.799 now at both the Cary and Garner > pumps FYI. Another trick I do is to grab a handful > of the plastic diesel pumping mits at the 64W Cary > BP B20 pump and put them in my passegner side door > compartment. The Garner one does not have these and > that pump is quite gunky. > > Hopefully this will allow me to better calculate > mileage...I beleive every tank before this I was > slowly learning how to put more B20 in, causing my > mileage to go off. I'd tried going 65...just can't > do it =) > > Thanks again Gents. > > Sidenote, Any interest in a BIG Meet? TDIfest is > way out of the question for me, but a local meet to > show our vehicles and B100 kit knowledge would be > nice. I would love to see a SVO conversion in > person. > > -Carlos > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 08, 2005, at 12:48PM, Rich > Mason wrote: > > >If you look inside the filler neck where you insert > the fuel nozzle, there > >is a small black button on the left side a few > inches down. Once you have > >filled up the tank until the pump clicks off, place > the end of the fuel > >nozzle on this button, holding it down, and > continue to slowly fill the > >tank. You may have to stop a few times to let the > fuel go down but you > >should be able to fill the tank up so you can > actually see the fuel level > >unless the fuel is very sudsy, in which case you > should stop before one > >spills fuel. B100 is not sudsy at all as I recall > so you can top up the > >tank more readily with it. > > > >Gas cars should not be topped up once the pump cuts > off the first time > >because topping up the tank can defeat the > evaporative canister system that > >catches fuel fumes, preventing them from entering > the atmosphere. Diesel > >cars, as I understand it, have no such system > because diesel is much less > >volatile than gasoline, thus the need for a > different type of vent. > > > >If you go to the TDI forums, there is a procedure > for removing this vent > >altogether so you don't need to push the button to > fill it. Search under > >"ventectomy". > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Carlos Thompson [mailto:panthercat@mac.com] > >Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:21 AM > >To: biofuel > >Cc: Steven Baker; Rich Mason > >Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** > RE: TDIs and Biofuel > > > >Guess I gotta just slow down...thanks Gang! And > yes I definitely keep my > >Wake County traffic lawyer in business (and the > Durham one, and Mecklenburg > >=) > > > >Please explain this "venting the tank" technique > Mr. Mason! I have noticed > >that I never truly get a full tank of B20 when I > fill up my 04 Jetta GLS > >TDI. I also always notice the couple drops that > fall when removing the > >nozzle are always bubbly or sudsy. I've figured > out to basically keep on > >pumping in B20 slowy after the nozzle has stopped > the first time until I > >can't take it and start fearing of overflow.... > > > >Yeah the way I calculate mpg is simply dividing the > miles on TripA by the > >number of gallons I put in to make the car full. > My friends 05 Passat TDI > >has the handy dandy Audi based mpg computer > calculated display, but mine > >does not... > > > >Mr. Baker, maybe since the last couple tanks I have > been slowly trying to > >top of the tank that I'm blowing my > metrics...hmmmm. Is there an add-on > >part to a Jetta to precisly calculate mpg? Any > better method people? > > > >Many Thanks, and I apologize for the TDI tangent! > >Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wednesday, September 07, 2005, at 09:48PM, Rich > Mason > > wrote: > > > >>I also believe that tire size plays a role in this > as well. IN my last > >>Jetta, the odometer was off by a plus 5-10% or so > with the factory tire > >size > >>of 185/60/14. A 185/65/14 has twe effects. First, > it makes the odometer > >>accurate, reducing the indicated miles per tank. > Secondly, it decreases > >the > >>engine rpms at a given speed, increasing fuel > efficiency if maintain your > >>previous average. Do they cancel each other out? > Beats me! > >> > >>Finally, with newer VWs, venting the tank during > fillup is the only way to > >>consistently fill the tank. By using the vent, > you can fill the tank until > > > >>you can see the fuel, ensuring a full tank > everytime. > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Steven Baker" > >>To: "biofuel" > > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:57 PM > >>Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** > RE: TDIs and Biofuel > >> > >> > >>> Couple things could be involved here. I have a > 2003 Jetta wagon TDI. > >>> Mileage averages 39 - 40 mpg. > >>> > >>> The automatic is less efficient than a manual. > I believe this to be a > >>> major impact. > >>> > >>> I get worse mileage when I accelerate quickly, > or using the cruise > >control > >>> button. I accelerate slowly and press the > cruise button when I have > >>> gotten to the speed I want. > >>> > >>> I'm not sure about the speed, but figures I have > seen show exceptional > >>> mileage at 56 mpg, degrading as you get faster. > I believe that staying > >>> below 65 makes a difference. > >>> > >>> Finally, is the simple mechanics of filling up. > It is hard to be sure > >how > >>> much gas you have used. I kept track of mileage > for the first 10.000 > >>> miles or so just using the figure from the pump > and it came in regularly > >>> at 39-42. Then, one day I filled up at a > station where the fuel came out > > > >>> really slow. When I checked I had gotten only > about 36 mpg. The slow > >>> fill meant that I put substantially more fuel in > than normal. Being > >upset > >>> with this reading, I drove slowly down to > Wilmington the next day. I new > > > >>> something was strange when I got to 100 miles > and the fuel gauge hadn't > >>> shifted off of full. I emptied the tank driving > conservatively and > >filled > >>> normally, next time it told me I got 48. That's > the === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From skepticbill at aol.com Wed Sep 14 20:10:20 2005 From: skepticbill at aol.com (Bill O'Luanaigh) Date: Wed Sep 14 19:10:33 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Peugeot-Citro =?iso-8859-1?q?=EB?= n sees a growing role for biofuels In-Reply-To: <20050913201224.49635.qmail@web52012.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey all, I've been watching the response to increased fuel costs in the UK & Europe. This was very interesting. "Jean-Martin Folz, chief executive of Peugeot-Citro?n, sees a growing role for biofuels, which help run most of Brazil's 20m cars. These are powered by a mixture of 25% ethanol and 75% petrol and, according to Johannes Lackmann, president of the German renewables trade association, biofuels are 20% cheaper for consumers. Mr Folz, whose company has a joint venture with Ford making it the world's biggest diesel-engine producer, is also keen to promote the use of biodiesel, partly as a way of cutting greenhouse gas emissions when combined with particle filters. Peugeot is also working with the British engineering consultants Ricardo and QinetiQ, the technology firm, on a new diesel-hybrid engine, which promises to be even more fuel-efficient." Whole article in The Guardian here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,11319,1570282,00.html From brambilla at mindspring.com Wed Sep 14 22:51:24 2005 From: brambilla at mindspring.com (Elena Matthews) Date: Wed Sep 14 21:50:37 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] raleigh mechanic? Message-ID: <38DE3226-258B-11DA-92A9-000393D8BC88@mindspring.com> I am looking for a mechanic in the Raleigh area who understands diesels, does not hate VWs and is sympathetic to biodiesel. I have just bought a 2004 VW Jetta wagon (felt very fortunate to have found it, and snatched it without taking it first to our usual mechanic). It had 67,000 miles (apparently it belonged to a drug rep) but I decided that was fine given all I have read about the amazing life expectancy of diesel cars. I have been eager to start using B100, bur hesitant over the issue of warranty (it has an additional 24, 000 miles limited warranty. The dealership in Goldsboro did a "certification"). Anyway, our usual mechanic is suggesting all sorts of worst case scenarios and event wants me to buy additional warranty (2,000 $), believing that for sure I got a lemon (note that the same mechanic also sells used cars, and really wanted to sell me a Volvo). Any suggestions? I am even willing to travel to Cary, Durham or Chapel Hill. Also: anyone with experience getting their car serviced at a VW dealership? From john.bonitz at gmail.com Wed Sep 14 23:05:05 2005 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Thu Sep 15 01:05:05 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] BIG Meet? Message-ID: <84a57a42050914220536c17018@mail.gmail.com> Carlos wrote: "Sidenote, Any interest in a BIG Meet? TDIfest is way out of the question for me, but a local meet to show our vehicles and B100 kit knowledge would be nice. I would love to see a SVO conversion in person." I think this is a great idea! May I suggest we gather some Sunday at the Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative Refinery in Moncure? It's only 30 to 45 minutes from most parts of the Triangle. Many co-op members are driving (or have driven) on SVO. In fact, Johnny Frye, who teaches the Diesel Technology class at CCCC, is currently driving his Mercedes 300D on a blend. If we schedule the meet for something like 2pm on a particular Sunday, then folks who are interested in the tour of PBC's grassroots biodiesel refinery can enjoy that (at 1:00) and then have a look at all the different SVO conversions people bring. Here's directions: http://www.biofuels.coop/directions.shtml Anyone care to propose a date? On a parallel note, there is an Elsbett conversion workshop that will take place during the weekend of the 23rd and 24th. Elsbett is a German company that has converted thousands of diesels to run on veggie oil from a single-tank. A very elegant technology. In prior years, folks who were not having their cars equipped with Elsbett conversions were allowed to observe and learn after registering for a small fee. I dunno if this is the case this year. Cheers! -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC www.biofuels.coop From hkfbo at hotmail.com Thu Sep 15 04:51:11 2005 From: hkfbo at hotmail.com (Bo Lozoff) Date: Thu Sep 15 03:51:12 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] PEUGEOT FOR SALE Message-ID: Hi Friends, Human Kindness Foundation has a 1984 Diesel Peugeot 604 -- the luxury model -- for sale. Leather seats, huge sunroof in great condition, absolutely no problems with the engine or the automatic 4-speed transmission. Been running on B100 for about a year. 165,000 miles, but the engine was rebuilt one year ago -- just about 5K miles. New alternator this year. This is a roomy, extremely comfortable ride, even the cruise control works fine, everything is good to go except the a/c, which is probably repairable. $4,000 firm. And your money goes to a good cause anyway. Bo Lozoff From symon at safenet-inc.com Thu Sep 15 09:11:43 2005 From: symon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Thu Sep 15 08:19:58 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] deadcatfuel Message-ID: <432964FF.409@safenet-inc.com> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From biodiesel at yovo.info Thu Sep 15 10:01:24 2005 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Thu Sep 15 09:01:38 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] raleigh mechanic? In-Reply-To: <38DE3226-258B-11DA-92A9-000393D8BC88@mindspring.com> References: <38DE3226-258B-11DA-92A9-000393D8BC88@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <432970A4.30301@yovo.info> Elena, I take my 2002 Jetta to Absolute Automotive and I can recommend them, but they are in Durham: http://www.absoluteautomotive.com/ I also had a good impression of Cary Motor Company on Chatham St: http://www.bbbenc.org/commonreport.html?bid=90004983 If you find a good VW mechanic in Raleigh, post the info to the list, as this question comes up frquently. Best, Jurgen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jurgen Henn biodiesel@yovo.info +01 919-423-3861 http://words.yovo.info/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Elena Matthews wrote: > I am looking for a mechanic in the Raleigh area who understands diesels, > does not hate VWs and is sympathetic to biodiesel. > I have just bought a 2004 VW Jetta wagon (felt very fortunate to have > found it, and snatched it without taking it first to our usual > mechanic). It had 67,000 miles (apparently it belonged to a drug rep) > but I decided that was fine given all I have read about the amazing life > expectancy of diesel cars. I have been eager to start using B100, bur > hesitant over the issue of warranty (it has an additional 24, 000 miles > limited warranty. The dealership in Goldsboro did a "certification"). > Anyway, our usual mechanic is suggesting all sorts of worst case > scenarios and event wants me to buy additional warranty (2,000 $), > believing that for sure I got a lemon (note that the same mechanic also > sells used cars, and really wanted to sell me a Volvo). > > Any suggestions? I am even willing to travel to Cary, Durham or Chapel > Hill. Also: anyone with experience getting their car serviced at a VW > dealership? > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From ma at snowcamp.org Thu Sep 15 10:27:45 2005 From: ma at snowcamp.org (Mike Arnold) Date: Thu Sep 15 09:29:32 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Mack Truck WVO In-Reply-To: <432970A4.30301@yovo.info> References: <38DE3226-258B-11DA-92A9-000393D8BC88@mindspring.com> <432970A4.30301@yovo.info> Message-ID: We were visiting a friend in PA this past weekend (looking at horses for a broodmare for use when carriage horses come back in style:-). This friend works making Mack trucks and had a copy of the 'Bulldog', the Mack truck magazine. There was a full-page article, with glossy photographs, about a Mack truck commercial owner that has been using WVO for many years. I just got a glance at the article, but there was some discussion of his process and filtering and how he collected from local restaurants. As I recall, the company added nothing to the article indicating this wasn't supported or care should be exercised, etc. I suspect this is in the Fall 2005 Bulldog, but when I checked http://www.macktruck.com a few minutes ago, the PDF for this edition wasn't yet available. Mike. From tjjuggle at yahoo.com Thu Sep 15 07:51:19 2005 From: tjjuggle at yahoo.com (Thomas Robertson) Date: Thu Sep 15 09:51:25 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] deadcatfuel In-Reply-To: <432964FF.409@safenet-inc.com> Message-ID: <20050915135119.4667.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> So this KDV 500 has come across the list twice in this week. If you look at their website http://www.globalfinest.com/, they paint an amazing picgure of recycling basically anything into diesel fuel (not to be confused with bio-diesel unless the input material was organic such as food) at 50cents/liter and are trying to sell the turn-key recycling plants to landfield owners. I'm very sceptical of this company with amazing claims and a high school level website design (with banner adds on their home page no less). Nonetheless in searching and reading a bit, the best critisizm I have found is someone suggesting that the process dosen't produce good diesel and their are better ways of doing such a reaction. Meanwhile, everyone else just says, "hey look what these guys claim". So for me the jury's out. If anybody finds evidence for or against them I'd be intrested in knowing about it. --- Jim Symon wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html > > > The information contained in this electronic mail > transmission may be privileged and confidential, and > therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have > received this communication in error, please notify > us immediately by replying to this message and > deleting it from your computer without copying or > disclosing it. > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > T.J. Robertson MicroCraft Corp. Raleigh, NC Cell phone - 919 280 2557 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jrpowel2 at unity.ncsu.edu Thu Sep 15 10:54:28 2005 From: jrpowel2 at unity.ncsu.edu (J. Ryan Powell) Date: Thu Sep 15 09:54:35 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Raleigh Food Co-op Meeting Message-ID: <1832.152.1.234.176.1126792468.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> I wanted to pass this along because a food co-op would be the perfect vehicle for promoting more biodiesel and alt fuel use in the Raleigh area, plausibly even distributing fuel. The Raleigh Food Co-op is looking to open a store-front location. There is an open potluck and meeting at 5:30PM THIS SATURDAY (Sep 17) at Pullen Baptist Church (1701 Hillsborough St.) right near the NCSU main campus. I hope many of you will consider getting involved. their web site address is: "http://www.raleighfood.coop/" John "Ryan" Powell From biodiesel at yovo.info Thu Sep 15 11:10:33 2005 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Thu Sep 15 10:11:09 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] deadcatfuel In-Reply-To: <432964FF.409@safenet-inc.com> References: <432964FF.409@safenet-inc.com> Message-ID: <432980D9.2090208@yovo.info> Oh boy - that's journalism at its finest: CNN re-reporting a story from Germany's finest tabloid Bild Zeitung (picture a merger of the Weekly World News and USA-Today). The Alpha-Kat guys actually work on a pressure-less, catalytic process for thermal depolymerization (TDP): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_conversion_process And the KAT in their company name refers to the KATalyst they are using for their process - not the kitties ... but don't try to explain that to a CNN reporter who is reading BILD! However, you can certainly use dead cats for this process, as well as dead turkeys, rats, skunks, reporters, dogs, care bears, cane toads, teletubbies, TV-anchors, slugs, leeches, etc. Thanks for posting the link, Jim. Gesundheit! Jurgen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jurgen Henn biodiesel@yovo.info http://words.yovo.info/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jim Symon wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html > > > The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be > privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your > computer without copying or disclosing it. > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From dentonconrad at netzero.net Thu Sep 15 11:52:26 2005 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton) Date: Thu Sep 15 10:52:43 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] deadcatfuel In-Reply-To: <20050915135119.4667.qmail@web52314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <432964FF.409@safenet-inc.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20050915104723.00c41248@pop.netzero.net> Thomas, While I share your scepticism (about the lack of info on the website of Global Finest and perhaps even at the claims of the inventor of the KDV 500), the patented process used by Changing World Technologies is well documented at their website along with proof of concept with an operating plant. So, while not necessarily a low pressure/low temp solution, it would seem there is a process that works for handling our garbage. Denton At 06:51 AM 9/15/2005 -0700, Thomas Robertson wrote: >So this KDV 500 has come across the list twice in this >week. If you look at their website >http://www.globalfinest.com/, they paint an amazing >picgure of recycling basically anything into diesel >fuel (not to be confused with bio-diesel unless the >input material was organic such as food) at >50cents/liter and are trying to sell the turn-key >recycling plants to landfield owners. > >I'm very sceptical of this company with amazing claims >and a high school level website design (with banner >adds on their home page no less). > >Nonetheless in searching and reading a bit, the best >critisizm I have found is someone suggesting that the >process dosen't produce good diesel and their are >better ways of doing such a reaction. Meanwhile, >everyone else just says, "hey look what these guys >claim". So for me the jury's out. If anybody finds >evidence for or against them I'd be intrested in >knowing about it. > >--- Jim Symon wrote: > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html > > > > > > The information contained in this electronic mail > > transmission may be privileged and confidential, and > > therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have > > received this communication in error, please notify > > us immediately by replying to this message and > > deleting it from your computer without copying or > > disclosing it. > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > >T.J. Robertson >MicroCraft Corp. Raleigh, NC >Cell phone - 919 280 2557 > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From karlynmeow at hotmail.com Thu Sep 15 12:01:37 2005 From: karlynmeow at hotmail.com (Karlyn Jensen) Date: Thu Sep 15 11:02:01 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** vw/diesel mechanic? Message-ID: Hi, You asked if anyone had experience with using the mechanics at the VW dealership. Well, I had a VW Beetle and asked the Leith VW dealership in Cary to look into a couple of things (about 2 months ago). One thing was that my exhaust had a rattle in it. They told me that I needed a new catalytic converter at a cost of $1100. I took the car to Henry's Muffler in Raleigh and they found that I just had some rocks stuck up in there. They removed them and did not charge me a penny. However, if I had needed a new catalytic converter, Henry's would have charged me only $100-200. Second, my brakes were squeaking. My dad (who is a knowledgeable home mechanic) had replaced my brakes and rotors last fall. Leith told me my brakes and rotors were shot and needed to be replaced at a cost of $800. I had my dad look at my brakes again, they were fine and had lots of life left in them. What they needed was some lubricant on one part of the brake where two metal peices meet. Another inexpensive problem that would have cost me thousands at the dealership. Needless to say, I will no longer trust a dealership with my car. My advice, find a good local mechanic. Someone with integrity. Someone who wants to make a decent living but not cheat their customers. A good resource for finding mechanics is the Car Talk website where people have recommended mechanics. You can even look up ones that specialize in VWs. http://www.cartalk.com/content/mechx/find.html Good Luck! -Karlyn "Regret is more frightening than failure." "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -George Eliot "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi From bkingery at southernenergymanagement.com Fri Sep 16 15:50:30 2005 From: bkingery at southernenergymanagement.com (Bob Kingery SEM) Date: Fri Sep 16 14:50:35 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Sustainable Energy Job opening In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20050915104723.00c41248@pop.netzero.net> Message-ID: <200509161850.j8GIoWWe027351@ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com> To all, Southern Energy Management is growing and we are looking for employees to join our team! Job description: Field-testing of both new and existing homes for energy efficiency parameters. This includes visual inspections and air sealing work in attics and crawlspaces, Whole house air leakage measurements, Duct leakage air measurements and duct sealing. Visual inspections of subcontractors work in new construction. Filling out field reports accurately and writing reports for customers. Also includes field active solar system installation work. This includes panel installation on roofs and installation of solar water heater storage tanks. Plumbing experience a plus. Some heavy lifting required. All of the above duties require close interaction with homeowners and builders so strong interpersonal skills are imperative. Entry-level position with room for growth. Salary based on experience. For more details please email us a resume and references to bkingery@southern-energy.com. Thanks, Bob Kingery Southern Energy Management Southern-energy.com From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Sep 16 18:46:07 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Sep 16 17:46:03 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Volunteer opportunities at CCCC Sustainability Fair Message-ID: <1761F113-7794-4F2D-8131-9557770B9CE4@blast.com> Hello Biofuelers! > One great event that those of you in the biofuels loop have been > hearing about are the Sustainability Fair on Saturday September > 24th . You can get into each event "free" - or almost, it only > costs your labor! > Each event will require some volunteer labor that is my > responsibility to recruit, and we now have the schedules, so here > is what we are looking for and the associated perks: > Saturday September 24th, here at CCCC in Pittsboro we will need: > 2 folks to assist with registration - from 7:45 to 9:00 > 2 folks on lunch duty - 11:45 - 1:15 (lunch is catered -we'll need > to set up and monitor, clean up) > 4 exhibit engineers - Morning shift 7:30 - 8:30 - cart, set up and > label folding tables, assist exhibitors to find their place > 4 exhibit engineers - Afternoon shift 4:00 - 5:00 - put tables > away, help clean up > 2 speaker liaisons - assist speakers with set-up, av equipment > distribution, etc. > > Perks: volunteers may attend the workshops of their choice, there > are 8 to choose from, it is possible do 2. $35 value - Lunch is free! For more information, please contact Sandra McMahon or Robin Kohanowich at CCCC 919-542-6495 ext 224 From wyndham6 at mindspring.com Fri Sep 16 11:01:49 2005 From: wyndham6 at mindspring.com (Mike) Date: Fri Sep 16 18:02:03 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] None Message-ID: <33025103.1126879309229.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Has anybody had any experience with the frybrid conversion kit? Thanks. Nancy Smith From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Sep 16 22:40:22 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Sep 16 21:41:55 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Mercedes-Benz unveil hybrid concepts Message-ID: <657A3610-FB63-4922-9E75-90795F45C25F@blast.com> http://www.greenconsumerguide.com/index.php?news=2772 Mercedes-Benz unveil hybrid concepts Friday 16 September 2005 Mercedes-Benz has revealed two new concept cars designed to dramatically reduce emissions and raise fuel consumption, at the International Motor Show in Frankfurt. Based on the new S-Class platform, the 'Direct Hybrid' and 'Bluetec Hybrid' models that combine optimised petrol and diesel engines with a hybrid system and refined exhaust purification. The German auto giant has called the Bluetec Hybrid the 'cleanest diesel in the world'. Both hybrid variants use an electric motor in the drive-train that allow better fuel efficiency and cut emissions during 'stop-start' urban driving. The new features present in Direct and Bluetec hybrids offer a 25% and 20% drop in fuel consumption compared to their predecessors. "For the drive concepts of the near future the objective is to make petrol cars as efficient as diesels, and diesels as clean as petrol cars," commented Dr. Thomas Weber, Member of the Board of Management of DaimlerChrysler AG. From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Sep 16 23:11:39 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Sep 16 22:11:41 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Bio-Solutions Receives Units Required to Help Make Biodiesel Message-ID: Bio-Solutions Receives Units Required to Help Make Biodiesel Hattiesburg, MI-based Bio-Solutions Manufacturing, Inc. recently announced that its exclusive marketing company Bio-Solutions Franchise Corporation has received its first four units required to collect fats, oil and grease (FOGs) needed to create biodiesel. According to Bio-Solutions, each unit is capable of extracting the FOGs and biodegrading the remaining organic waste in cooking establishment grease traps or municipal lift stations on a continuing basis. "Converting vegetable oils and animal fats in the form of cooking oils and frying grease from cooking establishments...is much more economically feasible...than using soy oil and other plant extracts that have to be purchased for conversion," said Bio-Solutions. "The benefits of converting the FOGs into biodiesel include a lower cost of production, providing a market for waste vegetable oils and animal fats, and decreasing the country's dependence on imported petroleum." Contact: Pam Williamson, Bio-Solutions, phone 877-888-2744, website (EIN STAFF: 9/13) From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Sep 16 23:13:07 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Sep 16 22:13:07 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Report Predicts Continued Reduction in CA Diesel Emissions Message-ID: <2F8F5BEC-5106-4A85-8CEF-B109B3599EC7@blast.com> Report Predicts Continued Reduction in CA Diesel Emissions The Diesel Technology Forum (DTF) recently announced the release of a new report, prepared by Sierra Research, Inc., which finds that emissions from on- and off-road diesel vehicles have dropped "considerably" as a result of cleaner fuels and new low-emission technologies and are expected to continue decreasing in California through 2020. According to DTF, the report, titled "The Contribution of Diesel Engines to Emissions of Reactive Organic Gases (ROG), Oxides of Nitrogen (NOx) and Particulate Matter (PM) in California: Past, Present and Future," examined emissions data from California as a whole as well as the South Coast, San Joaquin Valley and San Francisco Bay Area air basins from 1975 through 2020. "The key finding in this report is that the continuous improvements made in diesel engines and fuels over the last 30 years have delivered significant clean air benefits for Californians, and the new clean diesel technologies and fuels now being developed for 2007 and 2010 will deliver even more substantial benefits to California's air quality," said DTF executive director Allen Schaeffer. The report finds that statewide on-road NOx emissions have dropped by 30 percent since 1990 and are expected to drop another 64 percent between now and 2020, while off-road NOx emissions have dropped by 27 percent since 1990 and are expected to drop another 31 percent by 2020. Additionally, the report predicts that by 2020, statewide and off-road PM emissions will be slashed to 29 percent and 43 percent, respectively, of their 1990 levels. DTF noted that the report, a complete copy of which is available on its website, is based primarily on emissions inventory data from the California Air Resources Board, but also accounts for changes in emissions levels as a result of currently promulgated federal and state regulations through 2020. Contact: DTF, website http://www.dieselforum.org. (EIN STAFF: 9/12) From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Sep 18 18:10:49 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sun Sep 18 17:10:43 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Help make 1st annual Sustainability Fair a success! References: Message-ID: <95336557-BDC8-4E23-8214-7C2CD33F4E39@blast.com> > (I apologize for cross-posting) Please pass the word about the upcoming Biofuels workshop and other sustainable activities... This Friday and Saturday coming up.......... Sustainability Fair at CCCC, Sept. 23 & 24 This fair will be held at Central Carolina Community College (CCCC), Chatham County Campus, in Pittsboro, NC from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. The CCCC Sustainability Fair will demonstrate and explore many areas of sustainability through workshops and exhibits Saturday and a tour Friday. During the Fair, half-day workshops will focus on the following topics: Sustainable agriculture, permaculture & compost; Sustainable transportation and renewable energy, biofuels and electric cars; Sustainable building, green and natural building and; Land and water conservancy. Piedmont Biofuels will be hosting the half day workshop on Biofuels and Biodiesel Production. Registration Fees are as follows: $60 Saturday Workshops (includes lunch) $75 Friday Tour & Saturday Workshops (includes lunch) $25 Friday Tour only (includes lunch) Free: General Admission is FREE to the outdoor Fair Exhibits Exhibits will feature a variety of sustainable products, processes and hands-on demos. Hop on the Biodiesel-powered tour bus on Friday! The tour will visit sustainable model projects in green building, solar energy, water recycling, biofuels and agriculture, among others. The Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative Farm and refinery will be featured on this tour. Contact Sandra McMahon at smcmahon@cccc.edu, 919-542-6495 ext 224, or the Continuing Education Office at CCCC, at 919-542-6495 x223 to sign up for the tour, register for a workshop, or more general information.) http://www.cccc.edu/Sustainability/index.html From syost at triad.rr.com Sun Sep 18 20:42:24 2005 From: syost at triad.rr.com (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun Sep 18 19:42:22 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Metahnol source References: <200509181336320718.03AE9F57@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <200509181942240609.04FD94E9@smtp-server.triad.rr.com> I know I am further west than most of you, but I was hoping some of you might know where a good supply of methanol can be found in Winston-Salem, NC Thanks! PS: I know Hank Thomas Racing has it but it is sold as racing fuel and it very high. Also Beam used to have it but doesn't anymore. Spencer Yost From taylorshawn at hotmail.com Mon Sep 19 10:14:04 2005 From: taylorshawn at hotmail.com (Shawn Taylor) Date: Mon Sep 19 09:13:16 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Message-ID: For oeveryone who likes bikes and has a desire to use biofuels... Here it is, the civilian model. Shawn http://www.dieselmotorcycles.com/models.htm From rachel at biofuels.coop Mon Sep 19 15:38:44 2005 From: rachel at biofuels.coop (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Sep 19 14:38:59 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Groups Deliver Biodiesel for Hurricane Relief Effort Message-ID: Groups Deliver Biodiesel for Hurricane Relief Effort The National Biodiesel Board (NBB) recently announced that the Veggie Van Organization, a nonprofit alternative fuel advocacy group based in Venice, CA, has partnered with West Central, a farmer- owned biodiesel company in Iowa, and the city council of Naples, FL, to transport 13,000 gallons of biodiesel fuel to hurricane relief efforts in the Gulf Coast region. NBB said the donated fuel will be delivered to smaller coastal towns south of New Orleans that were among the areas most severely affected by Hurricane Katrina. Specifically, the fuel will power a former military ship owned by Sub Sea Research that will take several tons of food, water, ice and other relief supplies to victims in areas near the mouth of the Mississippi River. NBB noted that the fuel will also power the ship's makeshift medical facilities and emergency generators aboard the vessel. Contact: Jenna Higgins, NBB, phone 800-841-5849. (EIN STAFF: 9/19) = = = = = = = From dentonconrad at netzero.net Tue Sep 20 08:24:18 2005 From: dentonconrad at netzero.net (Denton) Date: Tue Sep 20 07:24:55 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] IC engine could be more efficient than hybrids Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20050920071747.00c0f898@pop.netzero.net> "A French company may be on its way to a mass-produced Variable-Compression-Ratio (VCR) engine block that reduces fuel consumption by 30%." http://www.machinedesign.com/ASP/viewSelectedArticle.asp?strArticleId=59148&strSite=MDSite&Screen=CURRENTISSUE&CatID=3 "The average car has a compression ration of 7:1. The compression ratio for a diesel engine varies from about 12:1 to 24:1." http://www.engineersedge.com/power_transmission/diesel_engine.htm Looks like this engine could be used for both gasoline and biodiesel engines. From panthercat at mac.com Tue Sep 20 22:16:13 2005 From: panthercat at mac.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Tue Sep 20 21:16:13 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Sad Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7840776.1127265373588.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Well, I just filled up with B20 at the BP Garner Pump, and I was suprised to see all the B20 signs taken off and around the pump. I asked the attendant what was up and she said the BP guys came and took it all off and said they were not going to stock B20 anymore pretty soon...the attendant lady didn't really know why, but she guessed they weren't making any money on it. Is the 64W BP B20 still in effect? What's going on?? Bull City, I'll be contacting you soon, my new job on Page Rd is reasonibly close to you guys... -Carlos From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 20 22:31:16 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 20 21:31:33 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Sad Day In-Reply-To: <7840776.1127265373588.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <7840776.1127265373588.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: <7D1597D4-CF33-4956-8F8D-1E4C7A0F94C1@blast.com> Carlos- We just got word this week about both the Cary and Garner pumps run by Handee Hugos. It looks like due to the end of grant funds for the price buy down, these stations will not selling B20. We have had a few other emails come in relaying a similar story to yours. The B100 trail is still up and rolling: http://biofuels.coop/tanks.shtml I believe there will be a good discussion of B20 distribution in the Triangle tomorrow at Refueling America seminar at the McKimmon center. For more info see www.trianglecleancities.org Thanks for your support of biodiesel, Rachel Burton Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop On Sep 20, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Carlos Thompson wrote: > Well, I just filled up with B20 at the BP Garner Pump, and I was > suprised to see all the B20 signs taken off and around the pump. I > asked the attendant what was up and she said the BP guys came and > took it all off and said they were not going to stock B20 anymore > pretty soon...the attendant lady didn't really know why, but she > guessed they weren't making any money on it. > > Is the 64W BP B20 still in effect? What's going on?? > > Bull City, I'll be contacting you soon, my new job on Page Rd is > reasonibly close to you guys... > > -Carlos > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From biodiesel at yovo.info Tue Sep 20 23:11:03 2005 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Tue Sep 20 22:11:08 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Sad Day In-Reply-To: <7D1597D4-CF33-4956-8F8D-1E4C7A0F94C1@blast.com> References: <7840776.1127265373588.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <7D1597D4-CF33-4956-8F8D-1E4C7A0F94C1@blast.com> Message-ID: <4330C137.2020502@yovo.info> Carlos, you're always welcome at Bull City Biodiesel :) This might be a good time to expand the tank trail into the eastern Triangle... Jurgen Rachel Burton wrote: > Carlos- > > We just got word this week about both the Cary and Garner pumps run by > Handee Hugos. > It looks like due to the end of grant funds for the price buy down, > these stations will not selling B20. > We have had a few other emails come in relaying a similar story to yours. > > The B100 trail is still up and rolling: > http://biofuels.coop/tanks.shtml > > I believe there will be a good discussion of B20 distribution in the > Triangle > tomorrow at Refueling America seminar at the McKimmon center. > > For more info see www.trianglecleancities.org > > Thanks for your support of biodiesel, > > > Rachel Burton > Piedmont Biofuels > www.biofuels.coop > > > On Sep 20, 2005, at 9:16 PM, Carlos Thompson wrote: > >> Well, I just filled up with B20 at the BP Garner Pump, and I was >> suprised to see all the B20 signs taken off and around the pump. I >> asked the attendant what was up and she said the BP guys came and >> took it all off and said they were not going to stock B20 anymore >> pretty soon...the attendant lady didn't really know why, but she >> guessed they weren't making any money on it. >> >> Is the 64W BP B20 still in effect? What's going on?? >> >> Bull City, I'll be contacting you soon, my new job on Page Rd is >> reasonibly close to you guys... >> >> -Carlos >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 20 23:59:06 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 20 22:59:05 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Plant in Oklahoma to Use Animal Fats Message-ID: Biodiesel Plant in Oklahoma to Use Animal Fats Local Oklahoma newspaper the Journal Record recently reported that Redland Industries has revealed plans to build a new biodiesel plant in Guymon, OK that will use animal fat from local slaughtering operations. According to the Journal Record, Redland CEO Kent Powell expects the new plant to service between 50 and 100 trucks carrying animal fat each day. Startup costs are estimated at $10 million, and the plant is expected to have an initial production capacity of 30 million gallons per year. "The market for animal fats has narrowed because of mad cow disease," said Powell. "The cattle industry has paid to get rid of animal fats. Now we will use it in-house to make our fuels." (JOURNAL RECORD: 9/13) From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Wed Sep 21 08:46:47 2005 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark J Ambrose) Date: Wed Sep 21 10:46:54 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Re: Sad Day Message-ID: <20050921144648.8912.fh047.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Weren't those recent Federal tax credits implemented in order to bring the cost of biodiesel down to that of petro-diesel? Given the current cost of oil, it is hard to believe that the wholesale cost of B20 is much more than B-zero. Anyone have a good sense of the current economics of biodiesel? -- Mark *********************************************** Carlos- We just got word this week about both the Cary and Garner pumps run by Handee Hugos. It looks like due to the end of grant funds for the price buy down, these stations will not selling B20. We have had a few other emails come in relaying a similar story to yours. The B100 trail is still up and rolling: http://biofuels.coop/tanks.shtml I believe there will be a good discussion of B20 distribution in the Triangle tomorrow at Refueling America seminar at the McKimmon center. For more info see www.trianglecleancities.org Thanks for your support of biodiesel, Rachel Burton Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop From karlynmeow at hotmail.com Wed Sep 21 11:57:20 2005 From: karlynmeow at hotmail.com (Karlyn Jensen) Date: Wed Sep 21 10:57:23 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Bull City Biodiesel and other local biopumps Message-ID: I'm getting my Beetle TDI tomorrow!!!!!!!! I am so excited!! I can't wait to put in my first tank of bio. Where is Bull City Biodeisel located? I thought I read that Piedmont Biofuels is planning to put some pumps up in the Chapel Hill/Carrboro area. Is that correct? I know a couple of people who own gas stations. If I want to convince them to carry biodiesel, does anyone have any suggestions of what I could say? Info I could give? Are gas station owners limited to only what their franchise allows? -Karlyn "Regret is more frightening than failure." "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -George Eliot "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi From biodiesel at yovo.info Wed Sep 21 12:32:08 2005 From: biodiesel at yovo.info (Jurgen Henn) Date: Wed Sep 21 11:32:15 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Bull City Biodiesel and other local biopumps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43317CF8.8040304@yovo.info> Hi Karlyn, Praise the Lard! Welcome to the TDI family, congratulations on your new ride! Bull City Biodiesel is located in Durham, off of 147, 5 min from I 40 and 2 Min from downtown. Map: http://bullcitybiodiesel.org/ Piedmont has a tank in Carrboro at the public works: http://biofuels.coop/tanks/carrboro.shtml For a gas station owner, biodiesel is in direct competition with the petro-diesel product from their supplier. Not sure what their incentive would be to sell pure biodiesel, at least in economical terms. B20 is different, because they are still selling petro-diesel (80%) ... Maybe you could find out from the gas station owners whether there are any restrictions as to what fuel products they can offer? I am curious ... Jurgen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jurgen Henn biodiesel@yovo.info +01 919-423-3861 http://words.yovo.info/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karlyn Jensen wrote: > I'm getting my Beetle TDI tomorrow!!!!!!!! I am so excited!! I can't > wait to put in my first tank of bio. > > Where is Bull City Biodeisel located? > > I thought I read that Piedmont Biofuels is planning to put some pumps up > in the Chapel Hill/Carrboro area. Is that correct? > > I know a couple of people who own gas stations. If I want to convince > them to carry biodiesel, does anyone have any suggestions of what I > could say? Info I could give? Are gas station owners limited to only > what their franchise allows? > > -Karlyn > > "Regret is more frightening than failure." > > "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -George Eliot > > "Be the change you wish to see in the world." > -Ghandi > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From john.bonitz at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 14:48:00 2005 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Wed Sep 21 13:48:04 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] biodiesel brewing education opportunities in central North Carolina Message-ID: <84a57a420509211048246c7c30@mail.gmail.com> Hi friends, I wanted to send out an invitation for free homebrew biodiesel training! Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative is now training coop members to make their own fuel in our refinery in Moncure (south of Pittsboro). Tonight we are doing small batch training. If you'd like to join, you need to + be a coop member + visited and toured our facility + read and understood the basic chemistry (e.g., the first five tutorials here: http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/ ) and + done a titration (either at home, in class at CCCC, or somewhere else). If you need a bit of time to get up to speed, you can always join us at 1pm on a Sunday at the Refinery in Moncure. Here's the directions to the Cooperative Refinery: http://www.biofuels.coop/directions.shtml Tonight we will practice titrations (to test the quality of our veggie oil feedstock), do a couple practice reactions in the blenders, and maybe do a little grease-handling. If time allows, we can do more titrations so that Don and David and gang will have a head-start on their Thursday fuelmaking session in the Mother Ship reactor. We'll start at 6pm and probably finish before 9pm. For coop members, this (or similar experience) is prerequisite to participation in making your own fuel in the Mother Ship reactor. (It's a 180 gallon batch processor, afterall, and mistakes can be costly.) In future weeks, fuelmaking training will occur on Sundays and Thursdays: Sundays are for basic training (10am til 2pm with break for lunch); Thursdays are for reactor training (6-9pm). Also, sometime this winter we will be hosting a weekend intensive training, led by Girl Mark of internet fame. The price will definitely not be free ($100 possibly) but that seminar will guide you through the process of building your own reactor. You can leave with a working biodiesel reactor. Please drop me a line or call if I'll be seeing you for tonight's training. Cheers! -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC 919-742-5176 (w) 919-360-2492 (c) From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Sep 21 23:12:34 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Sep 21 22:12:24 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: [Biofuels_class] carpooling References: <33412735.1127308844814.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: kalisak@mindspring.com > Date: September 21, 2005 9:20:44 AM EDT > To: biofuels_class@lists.emji.net > Subject: [Biofuels_class] carpooling > Reply-To: kalisak@mindspring.com > > > If anybody else in this term's Monday night class doesn't yet have > a carpool partner, I'm interested in splitting the driving. I live > in South Durham (near Southpoint), and can wait for someone from > points North or East, or can pick up Orange County folks on my way > to the college. > > Thanks, > > Darin Kalisak > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_class mailing list > Biofuels_class@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_class > From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Sep 21 23:46:50 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Sep 21 22:49:12 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Sustainable Energy & Biofuels Meetings References: Message-ID: <2F0814A8-2238-4216-8944-7F627BCA13D2@blast.com> > SEFI's Sustainable Energy Finance Roundtable, 27 October 2005, New > York City > > Green Power Mediterranean, 14-16 November 2005, Rome > > Biofuels Markets, 15-17 February 2006, Brussels > > Biofuels Markets Latin America, 27-28 March 2006, Rio de Janeiro > > Carbon Markets Latin America, 29-30 March 2006, Rio de Janeiro > > Biofuels Markets Asia, 5-6 June 2006, Bangkok > > Carbon Markets Asia, 13-14 June 2006, Hong Kong > > Renewable Energy Finance Asia, 15-16 June 2006, Hong Kong > -------------- next part -------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > 27 October 2005, Park Central Hotel, New York City > > The Roundtable will help financiers understand how and where new > investment patterns are evolving in an energy sector that will > require $500 billion of new capital a year for the coming decades. > How these funds are invested will determine the sustainability of > the global energy mix for the next century. The financial sector > is a key player in developing market solutions to the challenge of > building a sustainable energy future. > Reserve your place in this debate now - this interactive agenda > with 35+ experts will allow you to debate the key challenges in > just one day. > > Manulife Financial Corporation > Bayerische Hypo- und Vereinsbank > Fortis Bank > Dexia Crédit Local > Japan Bank for International Cooperation > Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein > The World Bank > Massachusetts Green Energy Fund > World Energy > ACORE > Erste Bank Hungary > International Finance Corporation > Innovest Group > Investec > Climate Change Capital > Technology Partners > Natsource > E+Co > UNEP > Pennsylvania Sustainable Development Fund > Organised by: > A Joint Initiative of: > Supported by: > > Event Partners: > > > > The World Bank > > -------------- next part -------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > 14-16 November 2005, Radisson SAS Hotel, Rome > Join experts from 15 countries at the region's sustainable energy > meeting place. Green Power Mediterranean brings together leading > experts from the Mediterranean Renewable Energy Community to > provide a best-practice guide to financing and implementing > renewable projects across the region. > > Don't miss this unique opportunity to network with leading > international Utilities, Banks, Government, Project Developers, > Venture Capitalists and Solution Providers and develop new business > in the region. > > Book before 5th October to take advantage of the Special 3 for the > price of 2 offer. > Register 2 delegates before 5th October and receive a free pass for > a 3rd colleague. > Network with the Experts – Learn from 35+ Information Rich > Presentations, Including: > > Enel > Iberdrola > HVB Bank > Royal Bank of Canada > West LB > Banco BPI > Impax Capital > New Energy Finance > EcoSecurities > IT Power > Energos > Italian Ministry for the Environment > German Federal Ministry for the Environment > Gestore Mercato Elettrico > Trans-Mediterranean Renewable Energy Cooperation > Solar Millenium > AfriSol > Wind Prospect > Megajoule > Vestas > Sponsor: > > Endorsed by: -------------- next part -------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > > Media Partners: > -------------- next part -------------- > -------------- next part -------------- > Sponsorship Opportunities > There are excellent opportunities to become associated with this > leading event in this growing sector. > Contact:Nadim Chaudhry for details. > -------------- next part -------------- > > 16 - 17 February 2006, Brussels > > Biofuels Markets is an international networking conference to > discuss ways to fully industrialise the production and distribution > of biodiesel and ethanol from the fields to the forecourts. > > The event will combine high quality presentations with an excellent > opportunity to meet and share information with industry leaders. > > Prime movers including representatives from Total Biofuels, Neste > Oil, OK Q8, EHN, Greenergy, Agroetanol, Argent Energy, World Energy > Alternatives and Royal Nedalco will address the political, > financial and technical challenges that must be overcome to ensure > efficient production for effective mass market deployment. > > Michel Girard, Director of Agriculture, Total Biofuels, France > Joaquín Ancín, Director General, EHN, Spain > Kimmo Rahkamo, Executive Vice President, Components, Neste Oil > Corporation, Finland > Camilla Slunge Dowling, Environmental Manager, OKQ8, Sweden > Gene Geboyls, President, World Energy Alternatives, USA > Luiz Carlos Corręa Carvalho, Brazilian Sectorial Chamber of Sugar > and Ethanol, Ministry of Agriculture, Brazil > Hamish Curran, Chief Operating Officer, Argent Energy, UK > Kenneth Werling, Managing Director, Agroetanol, Sweden > Martin Weissmann, Business Development Biofuels, Royal Nedalco, The > Netherlands > Donna Clarke, Business Development, Greenergy, UK > Raffaello Garofalo, Secretary General, European Biodiesel Board, > Belgium > Giuliano Grassi, Secretary General, European Biomass Industry > Association, Belgium > Peter Schrum, President, German Biofuels Association, Germany > Werner Körbitz, Austrian Biodiesel Institute, Austria > > Endorsed by: -------------- next part -------------- > Media Partners: -------------- next part -------------- > Plus Two Additional Regional Networking Occasions: > Biofuels Markets Latin America, 27-28 March 2006, Rio de Janeiro > Biofuels Markets Asia, 5-6 June 2006, Bangkok > > Speaking Opportunities > If you would like to submit a speaking proposal for one of the > Biofuels Markets events, please email your topic suggestion and a > brief outline to Sarah Ellis > Sponsorship & Exhibition Opportunities > Biofuels Markets will provide an excellent opportunity wishing to > showcase their technologies to the leading players in the biofuel > industry. For information on the sponsorship and exhibition > opportunities available at Biofuels Markets, click here > To Receive the Full Agendas as soon as they are available, email: > Matthew Probyn -------------- next part -------------- > > 29-30 March 2006, Rio de Janeiro > > Developing CDM projects and best practice across the Region > > CDM activities are building across the Latin American region, > representing 27% of all CDM activity, how are the markets > developing and what challenges need to be overcome? New > methodologies, additionality, carbon trading and best practice > projects. A not to be missed meeting for all those interested in > developing their contacts and opportunities across the region. > > Speaking Opportunities > If you would like to submit a speaking proposal for Carbon Markets > Americas, please email your topic suggestion and a brief outline to > Nadim Chaudhry > Sponsorship & Exhibition Opportunities > For information on the sponsorship and exhibition opportunities > available at Carbon Markets Americas, emailNadim Chaudhry > To Receive the Full Agenda as soon as it is available, email: > Matthew Probyn > -------------- next part -------------- > > 13-14 June 2006, Hong Kong > > As the amount of carbon mitigation activity builds rapidly across > the region with both CDM and domestic emissions trading, this 2nd > annual event brings together the region’s key experts to discuss > methodologies, best practice project development, linking and > carbon trading. > > For Information on Speaking Opportunities, Sponsorship > Opportunities or to Receive Information about Renewable Energy > Finance Asia as soon as it is available, please contact: Nadim > Chaudhry > -------------- next part -------------- > > 15-16 June 2006, Hong Kong > Increasing oil prices and concern over energy security are driving > the development of renewable energy across Asia, creating exciting > opportunities for investors and developers. > > Renewable Energy Finance Asia will bring together international RE > finance experts to identify successful finance structures and > examine solutions needed to stimulate the industry. > > The event combines first class presentations with an excellent > networking opportunity and will build on the success of 2005’s > inaugural event which attracted over 120 delegates from 22 countries. > > “I want to congratulate you on running a wonderful conference in > Hong Kong…very good mix of attendees….very stimulating” W.B., Byun > & Co. > > “I thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to be involved and do think > it was one of the most useful such forums for some time. Well done > to you all” M.A., REEEP > > For Information on Speaking Opportunities, Sponsorship > Opportunities or to Receive Information about Renewable Energy > Finance Asia as soon as it is available, please contact: Sarah Ellis > > > > > > Powered by List Builder > Click here to change or remove your subscription From tomjarrett at alumni.unc.edu Sun Sep 25 14:00:29 2005 From: tomjarrett at alumni.unc.edu (thomas m. jarrett) Date: Sun Sep 25 13:08:53 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Duke Energy Seminars In-Reply-To: <2F0814A8-2238-4216-8944-7F627BCA13D2@blast.com> References: <2F0814A8-2238-4216-8944-7F627BCA13D2@blast.com> Message-ID: <4336D7AD.6020907@alumni.unc.edu> Hey all, This afternoon, I found out about the Duke/UNC Energy Seminars going on this fall. Details for upcoming events and notes on lectures that have already passed can be found at http://www.physics.unc.edu/about/robertsonseminars/. I have not seen this url coming across the list yet so I thought I would post it. I apologize if this is a double posting. Some of these seminars look great to me others I am worried about (particularly this one, http://www.physics.unc.edu/about/robertsonseminars/robertson3.php, it argues against biodiesel as a solution arguing it is energy inefficient using more fossil fuels that it saves). I cannot go this week, this weeks lecture is on Natural gas, but ones later in the fall I would certainly be interested in going to. If folks want to go please email me off the list tomjarrett@alumni.unc.edu and we can try and set up some carpools. peace, tom From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Sep 27 14:25:39 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Sep 27 13:25:42 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: TV Series Features Alternative Fuels and Vehicles References: <1aa75e9a2340ed101d4b55bf99936b46@biofuels.coop> Message-ID: <3CD213F0-FE7F-4AFB-B3B8-279CD64B6637@blast.com> > > Begin forwarded message: > > >> From: "Anne Pearson" >> Date: September 26, 2005 2:33:26 AM EDT >> To: >> Subject: TV Series Features Alternative Fuels and Vehicles >> >> Hi Evan, >> >> I haven't lost my keys, but from the on-line contact descriptions, I >> think you're the person I should contact about a new show that >> features >> biofuels. If you think this is something your colleagues will >> enjoy, or >> might be interesting to the blog readers, please publish. Here's the >> short version: >> >> One TV show is set to change the way Americans think about >> alternative >> fuel and vehicles. The show, COOLFUEL ROADTRIP, features vehicles >> that >> run on veggie oil, ethanol, biodiesel, solar, electric and even food. >> The crew traveled 16,000 miles around the U.S. without using a >> drop of >> gasoline. They flew corn-powered planes, drove food-eating hummers >> and >> ethanol-powered BMWs, electric scooters and motorbikes, and even >> captained a solar-canoe to prove we absolutely can use sustainable, >> renewable and clean fuels. >> >> Here's a link to further information, including photos of the >> vehicles >> and press releases, etc.: >> http://www.vendely.com/CoolfuelRoadtrip/cfrtphotovehicles.htm >> >> Thank you for your time. If you have any questions, please let me >> know. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne Pearson >> Vendely Communications >> 818.623.1000 > From jhmidler at nc.rr.com Wed Sep 28 10:04:32 2005 From: jhmidler at nc.rr.com (Jon Herz-Midler) Date: Wed Sep 28 09:05:05 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Newby question re: getting car ready for BioDiesel In-Reply-To: <3CD213F0-FE7F-4AFB-B3B8-279CD64B6637@blast.com> References: <1aa75e9a2340ed101d4b55bf99936b46@biofuels.coop> <3CD213F0-FE7F-4AFB-B3B8-279CD64B6637@blast.com> Message-ID: <433A94E0.9030905@nc.rr.com> Hello! My wife and I just joined the coop very recently, and only just got our first diesel car yesterday. It is a 1983 Mercedes 240D in very good condition. My question is this - can I just start filling it up with B100, or are there things I should do (or have done) to the car first? For instance, should I have rubber tubing in the fuel line replaced with more modern, synthetic tubing? Also, what mechanics in the area (Pittsboro, Chapel Hill, Carrboro for starters) would do that? Besides that, does anyone have any advice on very good diesel mechanics in the area? I've heard very good things about "The Foreign Service", who specialize in Mercedes, but they're all the way out in Raleigh. Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! Jon Herz-Midler > From richmason at mindspring.com Wed Sep 28 11:08:16 2005 From: richmason at mindspring.com (Rich Mason) Date: Wed Sep 28 10:10:22 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Newby question re: getting car ready for BioDiesel In-Reply-To: <433A94E0.9030905@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Buy some extra fuel filters and the tools to change them and fill er up. The B100 may loosen deposits in your fuel system causing your filters to clog. Then again, it may not. If the braided hose on the injectors has not been replaced in the last ten years it may weep. Then again it may not. My experience with B100 and older diesels is that hoses will seep well before they fail. Just keep an eye on them. There is a flexible hose that connects the fuel tank to the fuel pipes under the back of the car. Check it periodically regardless of fuel. Of course, the first time I put B100 in my 81 240 D, the car sputtered and died on the interstate. I quickly changed the dirty looking filters but no dice. I bled the system but it wouldn't start. I kept at it for 20 minutes and was just about to call for a tow when I smacked my forehead and said 'Doh' - it was out of fuel. Even though the gauge read almost 1/2 tank. If you don't know that your fuel sender is accurate, make sure your odometer works so you can track your mileage. Figure 27 MPG with your 240. Even though the car has a low fuel light, it may not work either. All of these things are easy to remedy. You should familiarize yourself with the Mercedes Shop Forums (google it). If you want a quick introduction to how all of these things work, drop me an email and we can spend an hour or two going over your car at my house in Chapel Hill. Best, Rich Mason -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Jon Herz-Midler Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:05 AM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Newby question re: getting car ready for BioDiesel Hello! My wife and I just joined the coop very recently, and only just got our first diesel car yesterday. It is a 1983 Mercedes 240D in very good condition. My question is this - can I just start filling it up with B100, or are there things I should do (or have done) to the car first? For instance, should I have rubber tubing in the fuel line replaced with more modern, synthetic tubing? Also, what mechanics in the area (Pittsboro, Chapel Hill, Carrboro for starters) would do that? Besides that, does anyone have any advice on very good diesel mechanics in the area? I've heard very good things about "The Foreign Service", who specialize in Mercedes, but they're all the way out in Raleigh. Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! Jon Herz-Midler > _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com Wed Sep 28 11:14:24 2005 From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl) Date: Wed Sep 28 10:17:39 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Newby question re: getting car readyfor BioDiesel Message-ID: <354CA61AEBC6D944B4268F04D429FD863A7AAC@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> I agree on changing the fuel filter. After I started using B100, my fuel filter clogged. I had to change it twice over a 6 month period, but after that, it has been fine. Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Rich Mason Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:08 AM To: 'Jon Herz-Midler'; Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Newby question re: getting car readyfor BioDiesel Buy some extra fuel filters and the tools to change them and fill er up. The B100 may loosen deposits in your fuel system causing your filters to clog. Then again, it may not. If the braided hose on the injectors has not been replaced in the last ten years it may weep. Then again it may not. My experience with B100 and older diesels is that hoses will seep well before they fail. Just keep an eye on them. There is a flexible hose that connects the fuel tank to the fuel pipes under the back of the car. Check it periodically regardless of fuel. Of course, the first time I put B100 in my 81 240 D, the car sputtered and died on the interstate. I quickly changed the dirty looking filters but no dice. I bled the system but it wouldn't start. I kept at it for 20 minutes and was just about to call for a tow when I smacked my forehead and said 'Doh' - it was out of fuel. Even though the gauge read almost 1/2 tank. If you don't know that your fuel sender is accurate, make sure your odometer works so you can track your mileage. Figure 27 MPG with your 240. Even though the car has a low fuel light, it may not work either. All of these things are easy to remedy. You should familiarize yourself with the Mercedes Shop Forums (google it). If you want a quick introduction to how all of these things work, drop me an email and we can spend an hour or two going over your car at my house in Chapel Hill. Best, Rich Mason -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Jon Herz-Midler Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:05 AM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Newby question re: getting car ready for BioDiesel Hello! My wife and I just joined the coop very recently, and only just got our first diesel car yesterday. It is a 1983 Mercedes 240D in very good condition. My question is this - can I just start filling it up with B100, or are there things I should do (or have done) to the car first? For instance, should I have rubber tubing in the fuel line replaced with more modern, synthetic tubing? Also, what mechanics in the area (Pittsboro, Chapel Hill, Carrboro for starters) would do that? Besides that, does anyone have any advice on very good diesel mechanics in the area? I've heard very good things about "The Foreign Service", who specialize in Mercedes, but they're all the way out in Raleigh. Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! Jon Herz-Midler > _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From tim_turner at ncsu.edu Wed Sep 28 12:44:17 2005 From: tim_turner at ncsu.edu (Tim Turner) Date: Wed Sep 28 11:44:40 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Newby question re: getting car ready for BioDiesel In-Reply-To: <433A94E0.9030905@nc.rr.com> References: <1aa75e9a2340ed101d4b55bf99936b46@biofuels.coop> <3CD213F0-FE7F-4AFB-B3B8-279CD64B6637@blast.com> <433A94E0.9030905@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3413.152.1.193.51.1127922257.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> I had good luck with A Better Wrench in Chapel Hill. They specialize in Mercedes work. My experience with fuel filters was a little more extreme. I guess I averaged changing the filters on my '83 300D about once a month for the first year. I was considering cleaning out the tank when the situation finally improved fifteen months after I bought the car. I also found that my rubber lines started failing after a year. I had a pinhole leak in a return line that started spraying fuel all over the place. The remaining rubber lines were so degraded that black stuff sort of smeared off on my hands. It's not a good plan to let them get that bad. I bought a fuel line conversion kit from greaseworks. I think it's www.greaseworks.org. It was $79, which is a lot per foot of line that they gave me, but everything was correctly sized, with hose clamps to match. Coincidentally, the return line failed right after I bought the kit, so it was very nice to have the correct hose and clamps at hand. Apart from the fuel line issues, I find that the engine runs much quieter on biodiesel than on petrodiesel. The other concern is cold weather. Some people run a blend of petro and biodiesel in the winter months. I have been able to get by on b100 by plugging in my block heater on cold nights. I suppose when it's really cold, I won't get any fuel flow even after using the heater, but I got through last winter that way. Tim > Hello! > > My wife and I just joined the coop very recently, and only just got > our first diesel car yesterday. It is a 1983 Mercedes 240D in very good > condition. My question is this - can I just start filling it up with > B100, or are there things I should do (or have done) to the car first? > For instance, should I have rubber tubing in the fuel line replaced with > more modern, synthetic tubing? Also, what mechanics in the area > (Pittsboro, Chapel Hill, Carrboro for starters) would do that? > > Besides that, does anyone have any advice on very good diesel > mechanics in the area? I've heard very good things about "The Foreign > Service", who specialize in Mercedes, but they're all the way out in > Raleigh. > > Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks!! > > Jon Herz-Midler > >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > -- Tim Turner Graduate Student Department of Mechanical Engineering NC State University 919 280 7663 From appstatebiodiesel at yahoo.com Wed Sep 28 13:09:21 2005 From: appstatebiodiesel at yahoo.com (Chris Jude) Date: Wed Sep 28 15:09:23 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] searching for tanks Message-ID: <20050928190921.69297.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Hi y'all, We are building a biodiesel reactor at ASU up here in Boone, and are getting close to ordering our supplies. I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions or leads on where in NC we can find some of the tanks we are looking for. Here's a list of what we're looking for: 3- 100 gal HDPE open top, bottom drain tanks for wash 1- 100-125 Stainless steel cone bottom processing vessel 1- 200-250 gal HDPE or Steel tank for settling 1- 25-35 gal HDPE or Stainless methoxide tank, cone bottom We are also looking for several large (180-275gal) steel tanks for veg oil storage, drying, etc. Also, leads on a waste oil burner, and any solar thermal pumps, stainless or aluminum heat exchangers. We are fortunate to have recieved an EPA grant, and are competing in a national competition with this project. However, we are still operating on a fairly tight budget. Pretty soon we'll have a website detailing this somewhat unique biodiesel facility. Thanks for any help, Chris Jude boone, nc __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Sep 28 18:51:23 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Sep 28 17:51:20 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] =?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A_Regulatory_Bulletin_=96_TxLED_status?= References: <10095155.1127944089995.JavaMail.atg@atg2.prod> Message-ID: <2B6F3547-1AE1-46E7-8614-4A8C957B7EFA@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: National Biodiesel Board > Date: September 28, 2005 5:48:09 PM EDT > Subject: Regulatory Bulletin ? TxLED status > > > > Regulatory Bulletin ? TxLED Status > > Memorandum > > To: NBB Members and Stakeholders > From: Scott Hughes, Regulatory Director > Date: 9/26/05 > Re: Delay Granted for TxLED Implementation & Status of NBB TxLED > Equivalent Certification Testing Project > > Background > The air quality in approximately 110 east Texas counties is out of > compliance with the federal Clean Air Act?s standard for ground- > level ozone. In response, the State of Texas revised its compliance > plan to do a number of things including a change in the formulation > (physical properties) of diesel fuel offered for sale in those non- > attainment counties. The goal of these changes is to reduce NOx > emissions and other pollutants from diesel-powered vehicles and non- > road equipment. The new low emission diesel fuel is commonly > referred to as ?TxLED?. > > Biodiesel is covered by these new ?TxLED? regulations. The > executive director of the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality > (TCEQ) has determined that blending biodiesel into Texas Low > Emission Diesel (TxLED) is not acceptable unless the blend has been > approved by TCEQ as being equivalent to TxLED in reducing NOx > emissions. > > These new fuel property requirements were set to take effect for > fuel producers beginning October 1, 2005. However, per a decision > made last Friday (9/23/05), that date has been delayed for 30 days > due to the impact on refining and distribution infrastructure from > the recent hurricanes. > > The NBB, industry members, and stakeholders have been engaged in > this issue for many months and it is one of the industry?s top > regulatory priorities. > > Status of Industry Sponsored Testing > In order for a biodiesel blend to be approved as having an > emissions profile equivalent or better than TxLED, emissions > testing must be conducted according to protocols established by > TCEQ. The National Biodiesel Board has undertaken a project to test > up to three different B20 + additive formulations. The TCEQ has > awarded three grants to the NBB to fund these tests in large part > with significant additional financial resources being provided by > the NBB. > > The NBB?s test plan is to conduct the testing on behalf of the > industry whereby a B20 blend utilizing biodiesel meeting ASTM D6751 > specifications (regardless of feedstock) would be covered if the > blend included one of the additive formulations approved by the > TCEQ. NBB is partnering with Octel-Starreon to test a B20 with one > of their NOx reducing additives; a B20 blend utilizing a generic > cetane improver (ethyl hexyl nitrate, aka EHN) which has shown to > lower NOx through work done at NREL; and a B20 using a third > additive which is yet to be selected. > > Locating a reference diesel fuel that could be acceptable to both > TCEQ and CARB has been difficult and led to delays in starting the > testing. (Note: NBB intends to work with CARB to utilize the > results of this testing project for our ongoing CARB B20 testing > project). The potential reference fuel is undergoing required fuel > analysis that will be reviewed by both TCEQ and CARB in the next > week or two. Preliminary data is being sent to them in an effort to > speed the approval process. Once we have approval of our reference > diesel fuel then we can move to the next phase which is the actual > emissions testing. We have collaborated with Southwest Research who > will be conducting the testing and are penciled in for a test cell > late October/first week of November---given we do not encounter any > unexpected hiccups between now and then. There will be a few days > of pre-screens and then each additive formulation will take > approximately one week to complete its tests. Once we begin testing > we will be working diligently to get the information submitted to > TCEQ without delay for their review and hopeful approval. > > Notes > The counties covered by the TxLED requirement are: Houston area > (Brazoria, Chambers, Fort Bend, Galveston, Harris, Liberty, > Montgomery, Waller); Beaumont/Pt. Arthur area (Hardin, Jefferson, > Orange); Dallas/Ft. Worth area (Collin, Dallas, Denton, Tarrant, > Ellis, Johnson, Kaufman, Parker, Rockwall), Anderson, Angelina, > Aransas, Atascosa, Austin, Bastrop, Bee, Bell, Bexar, Bosque, > Bowie, Brazos, Burleson, Caldwell, Calhoun, Camp, Cass, Cherokee, > Colorado, Comal, Cooke, Coryell, De Witt, Delta, Falls, Fannin, > Fayette, Franklin, Freestone, Goliad, Gonzales, Grayson, Gregg, > Grimes, Guadalupe, Harrison, Hays, Henderson, Hill, Hood, Hopkins, > Houston, Hunt, Jackson, Jasper, Karnes, Lamar, Lavaca, Lee, Leon, > Limestone, Live Oak, Madison, Marion, Matagorda, McLennan, Milam, > Morris, Nacogdoches, Navarro, Newton, Nueces, Panola, Polk, Rains, > Red River, Refugio, Robertson, Rusk, Sabine, San Jacinto, San > Patricio, San Augustine, Shelby, Smith, Somervell, Titus, Travis, > Trinity, Tyler, Upshur, Van Zandt, Victoria, Walker, Washington, > Wharton, Williamson, Wilson, Wise, and Wood counties. > > Counties not listed above are not covered by the TxLED requirements > and biodiesel and biodiesel blends are not required to be approved > by TCEQ as being TxLED equivalent in order to be sold. > > Several entities in addition to the NBB have indicated a decision > to conduct TxLED equivalency testing for biodiesel blends. Those > entities include additive companies, biodiesel producers, and > biodiesel marketers. To date, one biodiesel blend formulation has > been certified by TCEQ. The certified blend is a B20 utilizing > biodiesel made by Biodiesel Industries and utilizing the additive > Viscon. > > From karlynmeow at hotmail.com Wed Sep 28 19:11:18 2005 From: karlynmeow at hotmail.com (Karlyn Jensen) Date: Wed Sep 28 18:11:19 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** anyone know how to change fuel filter on Beetle TDI? Message-ID: Hi out there. Does anyone know how (and willing to show me) to change the fuel filter on a Beetle TDI? -Karlyn "Regret is more frightening than failure." "It is never too late to be what you might have been." -George Eliot "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Sep 28 22:46:26 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Sep 28 21:46:22 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Local IN School District to Convert Buses to Biodiesel Message-ID: <01B9942D-44ED-4DC3-8E77-924DF7FA0793@blast.com> Local IN School District to Convert Buses to Biodiesel Local Indiana newspaper The Journal Gazette recently reported that Fort Wayne Community Schools (FWCS) has approved an application for a state grant to help offset the cost of converting its school bus fleet to run on biodiesel. According to the newspaper, the school board is seeking a $50,000 grant from the office of state lieutenant governor Becky Skillman to help pay for the estimated $59,000 cost of switching to the alternative fuel. The move was approved in a five-to-one vote. The paper said FWCS transportation director Lynn Hower noted that other organizations in Indiana have switched from regular diesel to biodiesel and realized cost savings from reduced maintenance. However, Hower conceded she did not know if the additional savings would offset the $9,000 gap between the grant funding and the estimated cost of switching fuels. (JOURNAL GAZETTE: 9/27) = = = = = = = From cynthia at atg.com Thu Sep 29 15:41:06 2005 From: cynthia at atg.com (Harris, Cynthia) Date: Thu Sep 29 16:40:57 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel in the cold weather Message-ID: <127C79D5D7DA6E42935F415C89928FDE045CE63D@MAILSVR.na.ad.atg.com> > The other concern is cold weather. Some people run a blend > of petro and biodiesel in the winter months. I have been > able to get by on b100 by plugging in my block heater on cold > nights. I suppose when it's really cold, I won't get any > fuel flow even after using the heater, but I got through last > winter that way. How cold is cold for biodiesel? I was about to switch to biodiesel but when I learned that the cold needed to gel biodiesel is a mere 40'F I was nearly scared off. Can anyone offer some advice? To do a mix of petro and normal diesel, what is an appropriate ratio? Are there other additives that might do the job as well as petrodiesel? If I were to use biodiesel for most of the year and then use petrodiesel for the 2 coldest months of the year (perhaps 4 or 5 tankfuls at my rate of usage) would I have to go through the fuel filter dance every spring? How long does it take for this carbon stuff to build up? Thanks! From forrest at truffula.net Thu Sep 29 14:59:05 2005 From: forrest at truffula.net (Forrest English) Date: Thu Sep 29 16:59:07 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel in the cold weather In-Reply-To: <127C79D5D7DA6E42935F415C89928FDE045CE63D@MAILSVR.na.ad.atg.com> References: <127C79D5D7DA6E42935F415C89928FDE045CE63D@MAILSVR.na.ad.atg.com> Message-ID: Howdy, Cold for biodiesel depends on various factors involving the original oil, but around 36-40 F is a safe guess. A mix of 20% petroleum diesel during the cold months in the triangle (I'm just guessing on your location here) should be enough to keep you from getting frozen in the driveway even in the most freaky weather (I know a certain truck that only didn't start on B100 twice last winter). You can mix #2 and B100 in any amount, in any order, it will get shaken around in your tank enough to successfully blend the fuel. You won't have to do the filter dance each spring. You'd need to be running 100% #2 for quite some time to have to worry about crud deposits again. Hope that helps. You can find more cold weather biodiesel info here: http://www.forums.biodieselnow.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=24 On Sep 29, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Harris, Cynthia wrote: > How cold is cold for biodiesel? I was about to switch to biodiesel but > when I learned that the cold needed to gel biodiesel is a mere 40'F I > was nearly scared off. Can anyone offer some advice? To do a mix of > petro and normal diesel, what is an appropriate ratio? Are there other > additives that might do the job as well as petrodiesel? If I were to > use biodiesel for most of the year and then use petrodiesel for the 2 > coldest months of the year (perhaps 4 or 5 tankfuls at my rate of > usage) > would I have to go through the fuel filter dance every spring? How > long > does it take for this carbon stuff to build up? Thanks! -- Forrest English PGP Key: http://truffula.net/~forrest/pub.key 8EC5 F031 E8BC 1BA7 B572 5C32 BAF4 2073 F96C 06AC From jhmidler at nc.rr.com Fri Sep 30 17:13:15 2005 From: jhmidler at nc.rr.com (Jon Herz-Midler) Date: Fri Sep 30 16:14:03 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Newby question re: getting car read for BioDiesel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <433D9C5B.8000108@nc.rr.com> Rich- Thanks very much. What a generous offer. I'll let you know shortly whether I'll take you up on that or not. As an update, we put in our first tank of B100 today at the Carrboro site. The car immediately began running more quietly (and seemed to be running smoother, though that may have been our imagination), and we are *very* excited to have joined the biodiesel community. Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions, Jon Rich Mason wrote: >Buy some extra fuel filters and the tools to change them and fill er up. >The B100 may loosen deposits in your fuel system causing your filters to >clog. Then again, it may not. If the braided hose on the injectors has not >been replaced in the last ten years it may weep. Then again it may not. My >experience with B100 and older diesels is that hoses will seep well before >they fail. Just keep an eye on them. There is a flexible hose that >connects the fuel tank to the fuel pipes under the back of the car. Check >it periodically regardless of fuel. > >Of course, the first time I put B100 in my 81 240 D, the car sputtered and >died on the interstate. I quickly changed the dirty looking filters but no >dice. I bled the system but it wouldn't start. I kept at it for 20 minutes >and was just about to call for a tow when I smacked my forehead and said >'Doh' - it was out of fuel. Even though the gauge read almost 1/2 tank. If >you don't know that your fuel sender is accurate, make sure your odometer >works so you can track your mileage. Figure 27 MPG with your 240. Even >though the car has a low fuel light, it may not work either. All of these >things are easy to remedy. You should familiarize yourself with the >Mercedes Shop Forums (google it). If you want a quick introduction to how >all of these things work, drop me an email and we can spend an hour or two >going over your car at my house in Chapel Hill. > >Best, >Rich Mason > >-----Original Message----- >From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net >[mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Jon >Herz-Midler >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:05 AM >To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Newby question re: getting car ready for >BioDiesel > >Hello! > > My wife and I just joined the coop very recently, and only just got >our first diesel car yesterday. It is a 1983 Mercedes 240D in very good >condition. My question is this - can I just start filling it up with >B100, or are there things I should do (or have done) to the car first? >For instance, should I have rubber tubing in the fuel line replaced with >more modern, synthetic tubing? Also, what mechanics in the area >(Pittsboro, Chapel Hill, Carrboro for starters) would do that? > > Besides that, does anyone have any advice on very good diesel >mechanics in the area? I've heard very good things about "The Foreign >Service", who specialize in Mercedes, but they're all the way out in >Raleigh. > > Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks!! > > Jon Herz-Midler > > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > >