From anner at blast.com Mon Aug 1 18:11:00 2005 From: anner at blast.com (Anne Ramey) Date: Mon Aug 1 20:58:27 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] testing Message-ID: <42EE8FE4.3060105@blast.com> -- Anne Ramey Senior Network Administrator Blast Internet Services 919-545-2521 (800)-24-BLAST http://www.blast.com From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Aug 3 13:57:04 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Aug 3 12:48:42 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] [Biofuels Class] gets a new name! Message-ID: <2878ECCF-5FC8-411E-B067-076B8CEC8DD7@blast.com> Welcome to the new and improved Biofuels listserve! ( formerly know as [Biofuels class]....) Now known as Biofuel Interest Group or BIG for short! Many of you became part of this listserve from taking the Biofuels course at Central Carolina Community College in Pittsboro, North Carolina. Thus the origin of the name, Biofuels Class. Others have signed up for the listserve as a part of the Piedmont Biofuels website, www.biofuels.coop. Either way, the list has grown and changed as has the biofuels community in the Central North Carolina and Southeast of the U.S. The impetus for this change is a collaboration with the folks at SmartCommute in the Research Triangle Park: http://www.smartcommute.org/ Instead of creating 2 list serves to discuss similar topics on biofuels, clean air, and renewable energy- we have worked to create one that serves both communities' needs. So if you would like to continue to participate in this listserve, a forum for sharing ideas and information for biofuel advancement in the Triangle and beyond, please do. Please post discussion and responses here: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net If you are subscribed in a digest format, you begin receiving those shortly. Thank you for your time and interest and input. For the Biofuels community, Rachel Burton From wrenchwench at blast.com Wed Aug 3 17:54:37 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Wed Aug 3 16:46:40 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] DaimlerChrysler India Launches 2nd Phase of Biodiesel Testing Message-ID: <88C2BA46-4E3B-4CF6-84E1-2B225F3C054C@blast.com> DaimlerChrysler India Launches 2nd Phase of Biodiesel Testing India's Express News Service recently reported that DaimlerChrysler India has initiated the second phase of its project begun in 2003, under which it will test the use of jatropha-derived biodiesel fuel in the cold-weather and high-altitude operation of the C-Class Mercedes-Benz. According to the news service, DaimlerChrysler India is slated to test the biodiesel-powered C-Class vehicles, as well as a Mercedes-Benz Viano van, this weekend in the frozen desert of Leh and the Khardung La Pass and Rohtang Pass, the world's highest and second-highest motorable passes, respectively. The testing is part of the automaker's Jatropha Biodiesel program being conducted with help from the University of Hohenheim and Central Salt and Marine Chemicals Research Institute (CSMCRI). Express News Service noted that the automaker tested two biodiesel-powered C-Classes last year in hot and humid conditions as the first phase of the program. "We want the cars to clock 30,000 kilometers in all and send the results to the CSMCRI lab to find out whether the project is technically feasible," said DaimlerChrysler India director of corporate affairs and finance Suhas Kadlaskar. "So far the cars have given 11 to 14 kilometers a liter and there has been a two-percent reduction in power, but we need to test for a longer run to find out how sustainable these results are." (EXPRESS NEWS SERVICE: 7/18) From panthercat at mac.com Wed Aug 3 18:27:54 2005 From: panthercat at mac.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Wed Aug 3 17:19:29 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> Message-ID: <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Hi Gang! Well I've been on this list for over a year asking questions and lurking, but I just wanted to say I am now the proud owner of an 04 Jetta TDI! Man was it hard to find! When I went to the dealers and asked for a used TDI they laughed in my face (I don't like the 05 Jetta's at all). So I contacted AutoFinders of Raleigh to see what they could do. I used Autofinders to find my 02 Acura TL-S I've had for 3 years now and was really impressed with the price and service and NO CAR SALESMEN! So I started them on a search and after about 2 weeks, they found ONE JETTA TDI in the entire state that was available in Fayetteville and the drove it up here and delivered it to me. Again, NO CAR SALESMEN and the price Autofinders bargained for was well under the blue book of the car. Again totally impressed *again* with Michael over at Autofinders: http://www.theautofinders.biz . I'm not really trying to pump up AutoFinders and I sure as heck don't work for them; I just wanted to let you people know if you have been in the same boat as me..trying to find a TDI and not wanting to buy it on eBay. Thoughts: After driving a V6 TypeS engine for 3 years, I have to say I am TOTALLY IMPRESSED with the performance, pickup, and handling of my TDI. I thought I was going to get a little 4-banger put put putter, but I was wrong! Very Happy. All my friends are looking into TDI's now! I'm going to save SO much money on my 30mile-one-way commute. And the very first tank of diesel I put in (and everyone since) was B20 at the BP Pump in S. Cary! I was so happy and there was another guy with a TDI pumping up too, we gave a virtual "TDI High-5" hahaha. I also bought this bumper sticker and am displaying it proud: http://www.cafepress.com/biodiesel.5859151 http://www.cafepress.com/biodiesel More here: http://www.ybiofuels.org/bio_fuels/stickers.html Questions: VW states that they will only support B5 Biodiesel and told me I run the risk of voiding my warranty with anything higher. I have been using B20 from the get go. Can I ask any other TDI owners your thoughts on this? B20? B100? Also all you TDI owners, where do you go for Maintenance? Dealer? 10k for oil changes? Anyway, I want to thank everybody on this list for their research and taking the time to mention good mechanics and other important information. I truly believe that, just like the Space Race in the 1960's, the next big American Science movement will be the Race for Domestic BioFuels and Energy Independence. Best Regards, Carlos Thompson From panthercat at mac.com Wed Aug 3 18:30:19 2005 From: panthercat at mac.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Wed Aug 3 17:21:53 2005 Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: <954653.1123104619241.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> SPAM? This isn't SPAM =( On Wednesday, August 03, 2005, at 05:28PM, Carlos Thompson wrote: >Hi Gang! > >Well I've been on this list for over a year asking questions and lurking, but I just wanted to say I am now the proud owner of an 04 Jetta TDI! Man was it hard to find! When I went to the dealers and asked for a used TDI they laughed in my face (I don't like the 05 Jetta's at all). So I contacted AutoFinders of Raleigh to see what they could do. I used Autofinders to find my 02 Acura TL-S I've had for 3 years now and was really impressed with the price and service and NO CAR SALESMEN! So I started them on a search and after about 2 weeks, they found ONE JETTA TDI in the entire state that was available in Fayetteville and the drove it up here and delivered it to me. Again, NO CAR SALESMEN and the price Autofinders bargained for was well under the blue book of the car. Again totally impressed *again* with Michael over at Autofinders: http://www.theautofinders.biz . > >I'm not really trying to pump up AutoFinders and I sure as heck don't work for them; I just wanted to let you people know if you have been in the same boat as me..trying to find a TDI and not wanting to buy it on eBay. > >Thoughts: > >After driving a V6 TypeS engine for 3 years, I have to say I am TOTALLY IMPRESSED with the performance, pickup, and handling of my TDI. I thought I was going to get a little 4-banger put put putter, but I was wrong! Very Happy. All my friends are looking into TDI's now! I'm going to save SO much money on my 30mile-one-way commute. > >And the very first tank of diesel I put in (and everyone since) was B20 at the BP Pump in S. Cary! I was so happy and there was another guy with a TDI pumping up too, we gave a virtual "TDI High-5" hahaha. > >I also bought this bumper sticker and am displaying it proud: >http://www.cafepress.com/biodiesel.5859151 >http://www.cafepress.com/biodiesel >More here: >http://www.ybiofuels.org/bio_fuels/stickers.html > >Questions: > >VW states that they will only support B5 Biodiesel and told me I run the risk of voiding my warranty with anything higher. I have been using B20 from the get go. > >Can I ask any other TDI owners your thoughts on this? B20? B100? > >Also all you TDI owners, where do you go for Maintenance? Dealer? 10k for oil changes? > >Anyway, I want to thank everybody on this list for their research and taking the time to mention good mechanics and other important information. I truly believe that, just like the Space Race in the 1960's, the next big American Science movement will be the Race for Domestic BioFuels and Energy Independence. > >Best Regards, >Carlos Thompson > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From phil at causative.net Wed Aug 3 18:45:58 2005 From: phil at causative.net (Phil Olinger) Date: Wed Aug 3 17:37:40 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: <42F13B16.9030903@causative.net> Hi Carlos, I have a 2003 Jetta TDI wagon and have run B20 and B100 in it with mixed results. A full tank of commercial B100 I tried very early on from World Energy ran just great. I filled up with one of the first deliveries from the Piedmont Biofuels tanker a year later and killed my fuel temperature sensor by the end of the tank. Sure that it must have been a fluke from some gunk in the tanker, I changed my fuel filter and took delivery of a 55-gallon of B100 (homebrew?) and killed *another* fuel temperature sensor. Was it humidity? Drum gunk? Or just B100? I tried splash blending down to B20 ... and killed my 3rd fuel temp. sensor 5 times slower. Still determined, I tried only petro or commercial B20 from the same pump you made your first fill-up. I may now be going in for my 4th temp sensor - we'll see. I'm going to crack the fuel tank and look for lingering gunk inside. From reading BioDieselNow,TDIclub, and other 'Net sites my experience is RARE. Eric Henry has a '99 or 2000 Golf TDI that (as far as I know) has happily digested far more questionable B100 and/or SVO than mine with no problem. Tami has another '03 TDI - have you had the same problems? Still keeping the dream alive, --Phil Olinger Carlos Thompson wrote: >Questions: > >VW states that they will only support B5 Biodiesel and told me I run the risk of voiding my warranty with anything higher. I have been using B20 from the get go. > >Can I ask any other TDI owners your thoughts on this? B20? B100? > >Also all you TDI owners, where do you go for Maintenance? Dealer? 10k for oil changes? > >Anyway, I want to thank everybody on this list for their research and taking the time to mention good mechanics and other important information. I truly believe that, just like the Space Race in the 1960's, the next big American Science movement will be the Race for Domestic BioFuels and Energy Independence. > >Best Regards, >Carlos Thompson > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > From sarah at sustainableharvest.org Thu Aug 4 10:18:09 2005 From: sarah at sustainableharvest.org (Sarah Kennedy) Date: Thu Aug 4 09:09:42 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <42F13B16.9030903@causative.net> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <42F13B16.9030903@causative.net> Message-ID: <42F21591.8050905@sustainableharvest.org> Hi there fellow TDIers, My husband and I bought a 2001 TDI back in late September from Southern States Dealership in Durham. We love that we can drive all the way to Maine from Carrboro to visit family on just 3 tanks of fuel! We have filled up with B20 from the pump in Durham and have also tried B100 without any trouble. Carlos, I'm sorry to hear that you have had problems and I hope that you will keep us posted on your experience. Our only big problem now is that we are visiting family in Maine for the summer and there isn't anywhere near us to fill up. Sarah Phil Olinger wrote: > Hi Carlos, > > I have a 2003 Jetta TDI wagon and have run B20 and B100 in it with > mixed results. > A full tank of commercial B100 I tried very early on from World Energy > ran just great. > I filled up with one of the first deliveries from the Piedmont > Biofuels tanker a year later and killed my fuel temperature sensor by > the end of the tank. Sure that it must have been a fluke from some > gunk in the tanker, I changed my fuel filter and took delivery of a > 55-gallon of B100 (homebrew?) and killed *another* fuel temperature > sensor. Was it humidity? Drum gunk? Or just B100? > > I tried splash blending down to B20 ... and killed my 3rd fuel temp. > sensor 5 times slower. > > Still determined, I tried only petro or commercial B20 from the same > pump you made your first fill-up. I may now be going in for my 4th > temp sensor - we'll see. I'm going to crack the fuel tank and look for > lingering gunk inside. > > From reading BioDieselNow,TDIclub, and other 'Net sites my experience > is RARE. > > Eric Henry has a '99 or 2000 Golf TDI that (as far as I know) has > happily digested far more questionable B100 and/or SVO than mine with > no problem. > > Tami has another '03 TDI - have you had the same problems? > > Still keeping the dream alive, > > --Phil Olinger > > Carlos Thompson wrote: > >> Questions: >> >> VW states that they will only support B5 Biodiesel and told me I run >> the risk of voiding my warranty with anything higher. I have been >> using B20 from the get go. >> Can I ask any other TDI owners your thoughts on this? B20? B100? >> >> Also all you TDI owners, where do you go for Maintenance? Dealer? >> 10k for oil changes? >> >> Anyway, I want to thank everybody on this list for their research and >> taking the time to mention good mechanics and other important >> information. I truly believe that, just like the Space Race in the >> 1960's, the next big American Science movement will be the Race for >> Domestic BioFuels and Energy Independence. >> >> Best Regards, >> Carlos Thompson >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > -- Sarah Kennedy Outreach Director Sustainable Harvest International www.sustainableharvest.org *Main Office* 81 Newbury Neck Rd. Surry, ME 04684 Phone: 207-669-8254 Fax: 207-669-8255 *Outreach Office* 180 BPW Club Rd. No J11 Carrboro, NC 27510 Phone: 919-933-9472 /Planting Hope Restoring Forests Nourishing Communities/ From bknighton at nc.rr.com Thu Aug 4 10:35:03 2005 From: bknighton at nc.rr.com (Bill Knighton) Date: Thu Aug 4 09:26:40 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <42F13B16.9030903@causative.net> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <42F13B16.9030903@causative.net> Message-ID: <42F21987.2080402@nc.rr.com> What does a killed temp sensor look like compared to a good unit? Is there a plastic component that is getting damaged? Is it possible they are just getting gunked up and can be cleaned with solvent? Phil Olinger wrote: > > > I have a 2003 Jetta TDI wagon and have run B20 and B100 in it with > mixed results. > A full tank of commercial B100 I tried very early on from World Energy > ran just great. > I filled up with one of the first deliveries from the Piedmont > Biofuels tanker a year later and killed my fuel temperature sensor by > the end of the tank. Sure that it must have been a fluke from some > gunk in the tanker, I changed my fuel filter and took delivery of a > 55-gallon of B100 (homebrew?) and killed *another* fuel temperature > sensor. Was it humidity? Drum gunk? Or just B100? > > I tried splash blending down to B20 ... and killed my 3rd fuel temp. > sensor 5 times slower. > > S From panthercat at mac.com Thu Aug 4 11:18:36 2005 From: panthercat at mac.com (Carlos Thompson) Date: Thu Aug 4 11:26:01 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <42F21591.8050905@sustainableharvest.org> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <42F13B16.9030903@causative.net> <42F21591.8050905@sustainableharvest.org> Message-ID: <14495003.1123165116100.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Thanks so much everybody! Sarah I believe it was Mr. Olinger that was having the the temp sensors problems. Have you looked at this website for bioD in Maine? http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/retailfuelingsites/showstate.asp?st=ME Too bad Willie ain't got any in Maine =) http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/ -Carlos On Thursday, August 04, 2005, at 09:18AM, Sarah Kennedy wrote: >Hi there fellow TDIers, > >My husband and I bought a 2001 TDI back in late September from Southern >States Dealership in Durham. We love that we can drive all the way to >Maine from Carrboro to visit family on just 3 tanks of fuel! We have >filled up with B20 from the pump in Durham and have also tried B100 >without any trouble. Carlos, I'm sorry to hear that you have had >problems and I hope that you will keep us posted on your experience. >Our only big problem now is that we are visiting family in Maine for >the summer and there isn't anywhere near us to fill up. >Sarah > > >Phil Olinger wrote: > >> Hi Carlos, >> >> I have a 2003 Jetta TDI wagon and have run B20 and B100 in it with >> mixed results. >> A full tank of commercial B100 I tried very early on from World Energy >> ran just great. >> I filled up with one of the first deliveries from the Piedmont >> Biofuels tanker a year later and killed my fuel temperature sensor by >> the end of the tank. Sure that it must have been a fluke from some >> gunk in the tanker, I changed my fuel filter and took delivery of a >> 55-gallon of B100 (homebrew?) and killed *another* fuel temperature >> sensor. Was it humidity? Drum gunk? Or just B100? >> >> I tried splash blending down to B20 ... and killed my 3rd fuel temp. >> sensor 5 times slower. >> >> Still determined, I tried only petro or commercial B20 from the same >> pump you made your first fill-up. I may now be going in for my 4th >> temp sensor - we'll see. I'm going to crack the fuel tank and look for >> lingering gunk inside. >> >> From reading BioDieselNow,TDIclub, and other 'Net sites my experience >> is RARE. >> >> Eric Henry has a '99 or 2000 Golf TDI that (as far as I know) has >> happily digested far more questionable B100 and/or SVO than mine with >> no problem. >> >> Tami has another '03 TDI - have you had the same problems? >> >> Still keeping the dream alive, >> >> --Phil Olinger >> >> Carlos Thompson wrote: >> >>> Questions: >>> >>> VW states that they will only support B5 Biodiesel and told me I run >>> the risk of voiding my warranty with anything higher. I have been >>> using B20 from the get go. >>> Can I ask any other TDI owners your thoughts on this? B20? B100? >>> >>> Also all you TDI owners, where do you go for Maintenance? Dealer? >>> 10k for oil changes? >>> >>> Anyway, I want to thank everybody on this list for their research and >>> taking the time to mention good mechanics and other important >>> information. I truly believe that, just like the Space Race in the >>> 1960's, the next big American Science movement will be the Race for >>> Domestic BioFuels and Energy Independence. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Carlos Thompson >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> > > >-- > >Sarah Kennedy >Outreach Director >Sustainable Harvest International >www.sustainableharvest.org > > >*Main Office* >81 Newbury Neck Rd. >Surry, ME 04684 >Phone: 207-669-8254 >Fax: 207-669-8255 > >*Outreach Office* >180 BPW Club Rd. No J11 >Carrboro, NC 27510 >Phone: 919-933-9472 > >/Planting Hope >Restoring Forests >Nourishing Communities/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From cleanenergy at planet-save.com Thu Aug 4 13:08:15 2005 From: cleanenergy at planet-save.com (Corbett Kroehler) Date: Thu Aug 4 18:36:29 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <42F21591.8050905@sustainableharvest.org> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <42F13B16.9030903@causative.net> <42F21591.8050905@sustainableharvest.org> Message-ID: <26682.167.181.247.6.1123171695.squirrel@planet-save.com> A listing of Maine's BD retailers is available at http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/retailfuelingsites/showstate.asp?st=ME > Hi there fellow TDIers, > > My husband and I bought a 2001 TDI back in late September > from Southern > States Dealership in Durham. We love that we can drive > all the way to > Maine from Carrboro to visit family on just 3 tanks of > fuel! We have > filled up with B20 from the pump in Durham and have also > tried B100 > without any trouble. Carlos, I'm sorry to hear that you > have had > problems and I hope that you will keep us posted on your > experience. > Our only big problem now is that we are visiting family > in Maine for > the summer and there isn't anywhere near us to fill up. > Sarah > > > Phil Olinger wrote: > >> Hi Carlos, >> >> I have a 2003 Jetta TDI wagon and have run B20 and >> B100 in it with >> mixed results. >> A full tank of commercial B100 I tried very early on >> from World Energy >> ran just great. >> I filled up with one of the first deliveries from the >> Piedmont >> Biofuels tanker a year later and killed my fuel >> temperature sensor by >> the end of the tank. Sure that it must have been a fluke >> from some >> gunk in the tanker, I changed my fuel filter and took >> delivery of a >> 55-gallon of B100 (homebrew?) and killed *another* fuel >> temperature >> sensor. Was it humidity? Drum gunk? Or just B100? >> >> I tried splash blending down to B20 ... and killed my >> 3rd fuel temp. >> sensor 5 times slower. >> >> Still determined, I tried only petro or commercial B20 >> from the same >> pump you made your first fill-up. I may now be going in >> for my 4th >> temp sensor - we'll see. I'm going to crack the fuel >> tank and look for >> lingering gunk inside. >> >> From reading BioDieselNow,TDIclub, and other 'Net sites >> my experience >> is RARE. >> >> Eric Henry has a '99 or 2000 Golf TDI that (as far as I >> know) has >> happily digested far more questionable B100 and/or SVO >> than mine with >> no problem. >> >> Tami has another '03 TDI - have you had the same >> problems? >> >> Still keeping the dream alive, >> >> --Phil Olinger >> >> Carlos Thompson wrote: >> >>> Questions: >>> >>> VW states that they will only support B5 Biodiesel and >>> told me I run >>> the risk of voiding my warranty with anything higher. >>> I have been >>> using B20 from the get go. >>> Can I ask any other TDI owners your thoughts on this? >>> B20? B100? >>> >>> Also all you TDI owners, where do you go for >>> Maintenance? Dealer? >>> 10k for oil changes? >>> >>> Anyway, I want to thank everybody on this list for >>> their research and >>> taking the time to mention good mechanics and other >>> important >>> information. I truly believe that, just like the Space >>> Race in the >>> 1960's, the next big American Science movement will be >>> the Race for >>> Domestic BioFuels and Energy Independence. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Carlos Thompson >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> > > > -- > > Sarah Kennedy > Outreach Director > Sustainable Harvest International > www.sustainableharvest.org > > > > *Main Office* > 81 Newbury Neck Rd. > Surry, ME 04684 > Phone: 207-669-8254 > Fax: 207-669-8255 > > *Outreach Office* > 180 BPW Club Rd. No J11 > Carrboro, NC 27510 > Phone: 919-933-9472 > > /Planting Hope > Restoring Forests > Nourishing Communities/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > _______________________________________________________________ Save rainforest for free with a Planet-Save.com e-mail account: http://www.planet-save.com From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Aug 4 13:45:49 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Aug 4 18:39:51 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: NC Powerdown Meeting August 10th at Arcadia in Carrboro References: <20050804112345.96439.qmail@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <926E058A-768C-4CD5-A496-14274CF9D401@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: Mud Ranch > > > Hello everybody, the meeting will be held in Arcadia > again at the Common House. The agenda will be as > follows: > > Pre-meeting open house at Randy's 6:30-8:00: > > Randy has passive solar design, active solar water > heating, active solar electric, and efficient > appliances. If you would like to check any of these > things out, from the common house, go straight to the > central path and then go left. It's number 108. > > 8:00 NC Powerdown meeting at the Arcadia Common House: > > 8:00-8-15: Intro, general discussion > > 8:15 Rebekah, who has just returned from intensive > photovoltaic classes in Colorado, will explain the > basics of a solar electric system and answer any > questions people might have about it. > > 8:30 Martha will talk about her recent trip to > Earthaven and their intentional community there. > > 8:45 General Discussion > > Break into groups. So far these include Scenario > Planning, Education, and Policy. > > 9:45 Wrap up, general discussion about what groups > talked about. > > I hope everyone can make it. In addition, several > events are happening nationwide in the next few months > that are noteworthy. > > 1.) Sustainability Fair at Central Carolina Community > College Sept. 21 (I'll have more info on this at the > meeting) > > 2.) Peak Oil conference at Yellow Springs, Ohio, > Sept. 21-22. Heinberg and other speakers will be > there. More info at communitysolution.org > > 3.) Association for the Study of Peak Oil ASPO-USA > conference in Denver, Nov. 10-11. This group is just > forming and this is its premier event. More info soon > at aspo-usa.com > > Directions to the Arcadia Common House can be found at > oilawareness.meetup.com/216 in the Events section. > > Please bring media (books and DVDs, etc) to swap, and > bring back media you may have borrowed. > > Please contact met if you wish to carpool with your > specific location and detailed contact info, and I > will try to hook you up with other people in the area > who are likely to attend. > > Thanks, > Stephen Hren > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From phil at causative.net Thu Aug 4 13:50:56 2005 From: phil at causative.net (Phil Olinger) Date: Thu Aug 4 18:39:55 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <42F21987.2080402@nc.rr.com> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <42F13B16.9030903@causative.net> <42F21987.2080402@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <42F24770.6070405@causative.net> Hi Bill, I can't say that I know what the fuel temp. sensor looks like! It's inside the fuel injection pump and takes a special tool to access. VW dealerships don't consider it a field-serviceable part, so they replace the entire fuel injection pump. Since the check engine light comes on when the sensor begins to show electrical resistance values out of spec, I figured there was some sort of metallic corrosion involved - perhaps water or methanol. This is all just speculation on my part. If I have to replace another, I'll be buying the tool if necessary and getting the assistance of one of our friendly local diesel mechanics to replace the sensor itself (which is only about 20 bucks). After that I'd have more information :) Good question, --Phil Olinger Bill Knighton wrote: > What does a killed temp sensor look like compared to a good unit? Is > there a plastic component that is getting damaged? Is it possible > they are just getting gunked up and can be cleaned with solvent? > > Phil Olinger wrote: > >> >> >> I have a 2003 Jetta TDI wagon and have run B20 and B100 in it with >> mixed results. >> A full tank of commercial B100 I tried very early on from World >> Energy ran just great. >> I filled up with one of the first deliveries from the Piedmont >> Biofuels tanker a year later and killed my fuel temperature sensor by >> the end of the tank. Sure that it must have been a fluke from some >> gunk in the tanker, I changed my fuel filter and took delivery of a >> 55-gallon of B100 (homebrew?) and killed *another* fuel temperature >> sensor. Was it humidity? Drum gunk? Or just B100? >> >> I tried splash blending down to B20 ... and killed my 3rd fuel temp. >> sensor 5 times slower. >> >> S > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From sarah at sustainableharvest.org Thu Aug 4 13:50:30 2005 From: sarah at sustainableharvest.org (Sarah Kennedy) Date: Thu Aug 4 18:39:58 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <26682.167.181.247.6.1123171695.squirrel@planet-save.com> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> <42F13B16.9030903@causative.net> <42F21591.8050905@sustainableharvest.org> <26682.167.181.247.6.1123171695.squirrel@planet-save.com> Message-ID: <42F24756.5080704@sustainableharvest.org> Hi everyone, Thank you for all the helpful emails on places to find biodiesel in Maine. The list on the NBB website has been very helpful and we have used it to find places to fill up when we are traveling between NC and ME. Unfortunately, all of the places within 3 hours of us in Maine only make biodiesel to order and they have already taken all their orders for the summer. The good news is that there is a wonderful environmental organization near us up here called Chewonki http://www.chewonki.org/Home/ that has just started a biofuels project. They aren't doing anything on a commercial scale yet, but hope to expand. The word on biodiesel sure is getting around though! More and more people that I bump into actually have some idea of what I'm talking about when I tell them that we run our car on it when we can. I am also happy to announce that if you are ever in Honduras, the Honduran affiliate organization of Sustainable Harvest International has started a biofuels project at our demonstration farm there. We hope to produce 500 gals of biodiesel there in 2006. If any of you speak Spanish and have an interest in volunteering with SHI in Honduras please let me know. We are looking for a volunteer to help our Honduran team with production, outreach and marketing. You can learn more about SHI at www.sustainableharvest.org Our Panama program also hopes to start a biofuels project next year once they have constructed a demonstration farm. If you are interested in learning more about SHI's sustainable energy programs shoot me an email and I'd be happy to sign you up for our mailing list. All the best, Sarah Kennedy Outreach Director Sustainable Harvest International www.sustainableharvest.org *Main Office* 81 Newbury Neck Rd. Surry, ME 04684 Phone: 207-669-8254 Fax: 207-669-8255 *Outreach Office* 180 BPW Club Rd. No J11 Carrboro, NC 27510 Phone: 919-933-9472 /Planting Hope Restoring Forests Nourishing Communities/ Corbett Kroehler wrote: >A listing of Maine's BD retailers is available at > >http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/retailfuelingsites/showstate.asp?st=ME > > > >>Hi there fellow TDIers, >> >>My husband and I bought a 2001 TDI back in late September >>from Southern >>States Dealership in Durham. We love that we can drive >>all the way to >>Maine from Carrboro to visit family on just 3 tanks of >>fuel! We have >>filled up with B20 from the pump in Durham and have also >>tried B100 >>without any trouble. Carlos, I'm sorry to hear that you >>have had >>problems and I hope that you will keep us posted on your >>experience. >>Our only big problem now is that we are visiting family >>in Maine for >>the summer and there isn't anywhere near us to fill up. >>Sarah >> >> >>Phil Olinger wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Carlos, >>> >>> I have a 2003 Jetta TDI wagon and have run B20 and >>>B100 in it with >>>mixed results. >>>A full tank of commercial B100 I tried very early on >>>from World Energy >>>ran just great. >>>I filled up with one of the first deliveries from the >>>Piedmont >>>Biofuels tanker a year later and killed my fuel >>>temperature sensor by >>>the end of the tank. Sure that it must have been a fluke >>>from some >>>gunk in the tanker, I changed my fuel filter and took >>>delivery of a >>>55-gallon of B100 (homebrew?) and killed *another* fuel >>>temperature >>>sensor. Was it humidity? Drum gunk? Or just B100? >>> >>>I tried splash blending down to B20 ... and killed my >>>3rd fuel temp. >>>sensor 5 times slower. >>> >>>Still determined, I tried only petro or commercial B20 >>>from the same >>>pump you made your first fill-up. I may now be going in >>>for my 4th >>>temp sensor - we'll see. I'm going to crack the fuel >>>tank and look for >>>lingering gunk inside. >>> >>>From reading BioDieselNow,TDIclub, and other 'Net sites >>>my experience >>>is RARE. >>> >>>Eric Henry has a '99 or 2000 Golf TDI that (as far as I >>>know) has >>>happily digested far more questionable B100 and/or SVO >>>than mine with >>>no problem. >>> >>>Tami has another '03 TDI - have you had the same >>>problems? >>> >>>Still keeping the dream alive, >>> >>>--Phil Olinger >>> >>>Carlos Thompson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Questions: >>>> >>>>VW states that they will only support B5 Biodiesel and >>>>told me I run >>>>the risk of voiding my warranty with anything higher. >>>>I have been >>>>using B20 from the get go. >>>>Can I ask any other TDI owners your thoughts on this? >>>>B20? B100? >>>> >>>>Also all you TDI owners, where do you go for >>>>Maintenance? Dealer? >>>>10k for oil changes? >>>> >>>>Anyway, I want to thank everybody on this list for >>>>their research and >>>>taking the time to mention good mechanics and other >>>>important >>>>information. I truly believe that, just like the Space >>>>Race in the >>>>1960's, the next big American Science movement will be >>>>the Race for >>>>Domestic BioFuels and Energy Independence. >>>> >>>>Best Regards, >>>>Carlos Thompson >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>>Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>>http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>>Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>>http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >> >>Sarah Kennedy >>Outreach Director >>Sustainable Harvest International >>www.sustainableharvest.org >> >> >> >>*Main Office* >>81 Newbury Neck Rd. >>Surry, ME 04684 >>Phone: 207-669-8254 >>Fax: 207-669-8255 >> >>*Outreach Office* >>180 BPW Club Rd. No J11 >>Carrboro, NC 27510 >>Phone: 919-933-9472 >> >>/Planting Hope >>Restoring Forests >>Nourishing Communities/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >>Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >>http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Save rainforest for free with a Planet-Save.com e-mail account: >http://www.planet-save.com > > > > > > -- From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Aug 5 09:30:17 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Aug 5 08:21:35 2005 Subject: ***SPAM*** Fwd: [Biofuels_class] RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Finally!!! References: <20050805103600.M8239@cape.com> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: agiles@cape.com > Date: August 5, 2005 8:27:27 AM EDT > To: "Ganter, Cheryl" , "Carlos Thompson" > , > Cc: biofuels_class-bounces@lists.emji.net > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_class] RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] > ***SPAM*** Finally!!! > > > Please be aware that the EPA has stated that use of certified ASTM > standard > fuel can not void a warranty. With the Excise Blending Tax Credit > passed last > October, dated ASTM certification documentations must follow the > delivery of > B100. You can get a copy of the cert from the organization you > purchased your > biodiesel from. The engine manufacturer must prove that the source > of the > problem is other than the fuel itself. The rules for ASTM biodiesel > are the > same as ASTM diesel. Usually they try to use the mishandling or > storage of the > fuel as the issue. Contamination; water, algae. Tough to prove, > harder to > disprove. > > There is an incentive for manufacturers in the Energy Policy, that > starts in > 06, to certify their products to run on 100% renewable fuel. To > date, they > have been using the excuse that it's too expensive to go through > the EPA > approval process. Hopefully, by the time Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel > for on road > transportation is mandated in October 06, these folks would have > gone through > the approval process with hopes that all 08 model year diesels will be > approved for B100. > > In this policy, there is a 30% of total cost incentive for > companies to > upgrade facilities to handle renewable fuels. Hopefully this will > move more of > the independent fuel retailers to add biodiesel and ethanol. I was > told by a > reliable source, that BP plans to jump on this to add more hydrogen > pumps. The > LNG companies plan to use this incentive couple with the upgrade to > renewable > fuel incentive for school buses,large diesel and fleet to get short > haul > carriers to upgrade their delivery trucks to LNG and implement un- > maned LNG > fueling stations at strategic point throughout the "20 NFL cities". > Fedex and > UPS are targeted. > > If you want to get your local school buses to move to Ultra Low > Sulpher > blended with biodiesel, now is the time to get organized before > some State > agency decides that it is your best intrest for them to decide who > should get > the funds. > > > On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:00:12 -0400, Ganter, Cheryl wrote > >> Carlos, >> I have a 1996 VW Passat Tdi that I have had for almost 2 years now. I >> bought it used from a dealer and have been running it on >> everything from >> SVO, B5 to B100 continuously with not the first problem.( I did have >> some problems with the SVO kit, but it didn't effect the performance >> of the car. ) I also spoke to a Dealer about the new Tdi's and he >> told me the same thing, that using biodiesel would void the >> warranty. I have nothing but good things to say about biodiesel and >> hope one day the auto manufacturers come to their senses. Best of >> luck with your new Tdi, I'm sure you will be happy with it, as I >> have been. Regards, Cheryl G. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net >> [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of >> Carlos Thompson >> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:28 PM >> To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Finally!!! >> >> Hi Gang! >> >> Well I've been on this list for over a year asking questions and >> lurking, but I just wanted to say I am now the proud owner of an 04 >> Jetta TDI! Man was it hard to find! When I went to the dealers and >> asked for a used TDI they laughed in my face (I don't like the 05 >> Jetta's at all). So I contacted AutoFinders of Raleigh to see >> what they >> could do. I used Autofinders to find my 02 Acura TL-S I've had for 3 >> years now and was really impressed with the price and service and NO >> CAR SALESMEN! So I started them on a search and after about 2 weeks, >> they found ONE JETTA TDI in the entire state that was available in >> Fayetteville and the drove it up here and delivered it to me. Again, >> NO CAR SALESMEN and the price Autofinders bargained for was well >> under the blue book of the car. Again totally impressed *again* >> with Michael over at Autofinders: http://www.theautofinders.biz . >> >> I'm not really trying to pump up AutoFinders and I sure as heck don't >> work for them; I just wanted to let you people know if you have been >> in the same boat as me..trying to find a TDI and not wanting to buy >> it on eBay. >> >> Thoughts: >> >> After driving a V6 TypeS engine for 3 years, I have to say I am >> TOTALLY >> IMPRESSED with the performance, pickup, and handling of my TDI. I >> thought I was going to get a little 4-banger put put putter, but I >> was wrong! Very Happy. All my friends are looking into TDI's now! >> I'm going to save SO much money on my 30mile-one-way commute. >> >> And the very first tank of diesel I put in (and everyone since) >> was B20 >> at the BP Pump in S. Cary! I was so happy and there was another guy >> with a TDI pumping up too, we gave a virtual "TDI High-5" hahaha. >> >> I also bought this bumper sticker and am displaying it proud: >> http://www.cafepress.com/biodiesel.5859151 >> http://www.cafepress.com/biodiesel >> More here: >> http://www.ybiofuels.org/bio_fuels/stickers.html >> >> Questions: >> >> VW states that they will only support B5 Biodiesel and told me I run >> the risk of voiding my warranty with anything higher. I have been >> using B20 from the get go. >> >> Can I ask any other TDI owners your thoughts on this? B20? B100? >> >> Also all you TDI owners, where do you go for Maintenance? >> Dealer? 10k >> for oil changes? >> >> Anyway, I want to thank everybody on this list for their research and >> taking the time to mention good mechanics and other important >> information. I truly believe that, just like the Space Race in the >> 1960's, the next big American Science movement will be the Race for >> Domestic BioFuels and Energy Independence. >> >> Best Regards, >> Carlos Thompson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >> Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuels_class mailing list >> Biofuels_class@lists.emji.net >> http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_class >> > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_class mailing list > Biofuels_class@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_class > From lyle at blast.com Fri Aug 5 13:58:57 2005 From: lyle at blast.com (Lyle Estill) Date: Fri Aug 5 12:51:33 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Nice work Message-ID: <6e34c4efdf0f0b2738c502614b9095f6@blast.com> I think this is going to be BIG indeed. Lyle Estill Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 Fax: 919-321-6769 From lyle at blast.com Fri Aug 5 14:11:57 2005 From: lyle at blast.com (Lyle Estill) Date: Fri Aug 5 13:03:45 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Tami's Jetta Message-ID: <1fb2f2ecbe422d224ff0b5f93a7cf9c6@blast.com> Tami's 2003 Jetta wagon has been on B100 all its life. There have been tankfuls of petroleum during cold months when Piedmont Biofuels was gelled, there have been tankfuls of petroleum when there is no fuel around, and there have been tankfuls of petroleum on long distance trips. But whenever there has been B100 to pump, that's what it's had. Our only maintenance complaint about the Jetta is the cheap bumpers that are so low to the ground they get torn off by curbs and parking stops, and they are expensive to fix. But we have no fuel maintenance problems to report. Just passed 50K miles. Lyle Estill Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-321-8260 Fax: 919-321-6769 From hhouse at blast.com Fri Aug 5 14:20:44 2005 From: hhouse at blast.com (Hal House) Date: Sat Aug 6 01:34:37 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Nice work In-Reply-To: <6e34c4efdf0f0b2738c502614b9095f6@blast.com> Message-ID: <4181562C-05D5-11DA-B4F3-000A9592B96E@blast.com> Groovy, Cool! or Awesome! depending on your age! On Friday, August 5, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Lyle Estill wrote: > I think this is going to be BIG indeed. > > > Lyle Estill > Piedmont Biofuels > www.biofuels.coop > 919-321-8260 > Fax: 919-321-6769 > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From wrenchwench at blast.com Sat Aug 6 11:37:07 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sat Aug 6 10:28:38 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: [Biofuels_class] 90 jetta References: <20050805.231142.13621.287106@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: "ttsinc624@juno.com" > Date: August 6, 2005 6:11:31 AM EDT > To: biofuels_class@lists.emji.net > Subject: [Biofuels_class] 90 jetta > > > > hello, > i think i found me a starter car, its a 90 jetta 4dr with 230k > miles on it the normal ware for the age and what would be a good > price if it runs out ok? 800? 1000? 1200? thanks for any input also > is there any problems i should look for? thanks again > Dwight > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 250MB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_class mailing list > Biofuels_class@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_class > From wrenchwench at blast.com Sat Aug 6 13:46:23 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sat Aug 6 12:37:55 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Climate Change/Action Gathering Message-ID: <157F3854-AE4D-4C7E-AE51-B30109579FB5@blast.com> CLIMATE ACTION SOUTHERN GATHERING Friday August 12, 7:00 pm to Sunday August 14, 5:00 pm. Chattanooga, TN Join students and organizers from around the South August 12-14 for a weekend of strategizing about supporting clean energy and fighting global warming & dirty energies in the South, learning skills, networking, hanging out and having fun! http://www.climateaction.net/content/gathering05 Where: Sequatchie Valley Institute (SVI), an awesome sustainable living institute/farm nestled in the forest of the Cumberland Plateau of Middle Tennessee, just outside of Chattanooga. Food: vegetarian/vegan meals will be provided. Cost: approximately $30 to cover food. Lodging: we'll all be camping out, if you don't have a tent we'll have extra ones. Travel: if you need funds to attend, we'll work with you, just contact Liz at: liz@climateaction.net , 828-433-9289 (w), 919-619-5964 (c) From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Aug 8 12:25:56 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Aug 8 11:17:21 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: tdi for sale References: <200508081405.j78E5GL4020442@ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com> Message-ID: <395DCB20-78A9-4E75-933D-F0DDE5AFEAC6@blast.com> Anyone looking for a TDI to purchase? Begin forwarded message: > > > Owners, I think 2 but I cant be sure. My boyfriend bought it 1 > year ago from University Auto and they said it had one owner but > didnt give us the service records so...I think we are the second > owner. > > > > Selling because we are moving to Montana and need a 4 wheel drive > truck. Love this car, but not practical where we are going :-) > > > > Servicing, my boyfriend does the oil changes and replaced the MAS > air flow sensor, Campus Auto is doing the timing belt and water > pump, and the Volkswagon Dealer in Cary (leith) is there for > everything else! > > > > No wrecks, ever! > > > > Features: > > Dual side airbags > > Side air bags > > 8 CD changer & Tape Deck > > Removeable Rear Seats > > Diesel Turbo Charge > > Keyless entry > > Lots more but I cant think of it off the top of my head. You may > want to go on google and type in 2001 Jetta TDI Features and see > what pops up. > > > > Let me know if you'd like to come see it! > > > > Thanks! > > Ryan ( autmnaniml@aol.com) > > From dpwoolcock at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 10:27:08 2005 From: dpwoolcock at yahoo.com (douglas woolcock) Date: Mon Aug 8 12:18:34 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: tdi for sale In-Reply-To: <395DCB20-78A9-4E75-933D-F0DDE5AFEAC6@blast.com> Message-ID: <20050808162708.56141.qmail@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> 4 wheel drive truck? Yeah, I pulled loads of them out of the ditches with my Mercedes when I lived in the Rockies. Unfortuneatly, an SUV also managed to total the 300TD. The junkyard is willing to give me $200 for the rearended vehicle, but I thought that some one here might need a parts car. Lots of good parts (I did remove the grease conversion stuff for my TDI though). About 420,000 miles on it but it ran strong. --- Rachel Burton wrote: > Anyone looking for a TDI to purchase? > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > Owners, I think 2 but I cant be sure. My > boyfriend bought it 1 > > year ago from University Auto and they said it had > one owner but > > didnt give us the service records so...I think we > are the second > > owner. > > > > > > > > Selling because we are moving to Montana and need > a 4 wheel drive > > truck. Love this car, but not practical where we > are going :-) > > > > > > > > Servicing, my boyfriend does the oil changes and > replaced the MAS > > air flow sensor, Campus Auto is doing the timing > belt and water > > pump, and the Volkswagon Dealer in Cary (leith) is > there for > > everything else! > > > > > > > > No wrecks, ever! > > > > > > > > Features: > > > > Dual side airbags > > > > Side air bags > > > > 8 CD changer & Tape Deck > > > > Removeable Rear Seats > > > > Diesel Turbo Charge > > > > Keyless entry > > > > Lots more but I cant think of it off the top of my > head. You may > > want to go on google and type in 2001 Jetta TDI > Features and see > > what pops up. > > > > > > > > Let me know if you'd like to come see it! > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Ryan ( autmnaniml@aol.com) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wenck at unc.edu Mon Aug 8 14:29:36 2005 From: wenck at unc.edu (Wendy Wenck) Date: Mon Aug 8 13:21:26 2005 Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** Finally!!! In-Reply-To: <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> References: <6838164.1123103751020.JavaMail.benwerner@mac.com> <4833860.1123104474485.JavaMail.panthercat@mac.com> Message-ID: <42F79680.6030203@unc.edu> Carlos and all-- I've been traveling to GA & NC mountains (on B100 :-) ) so I am just catching up on e-mail. I have a '03 Golf TDI that ran on petro for its first 14 K miles, until a B20 pump opened within a reasonable distance. Then I drove it about 8 K on B20, when I was able to start running on homemade B100. There have been a few tanks of B20 this year but otherwise B100. Currently my car's at 32 K with no problems. Wendy Carlos Thompson wrote: >Hi Gang! > >Well I've been on this list for over a year asking questions and lurking, but I just wanted to say I am now the proud owner of an 04 Jetta TDI! Man was it hard to find! When I went to the dealers and asked for a used TDI they laughed in my face (I don't like the 05 Jetta's at all). So I contacted AutoFinders of Raleigh to see what they could do. I used Autofinders to find my 02 Acura TL-S I've had for 3 years now and was really impressed with the price and service and NO CAR SALESMEN! So I started them on a search and after about 2 weeks, they found ONE JETTA TDI in the entire state that was available in Fayetteville and the drove it up here and delivered it to me. Again, NO CAR SALESMEN and the price Autofinders bargained for was well under the blue book of the car. Again totally impressed *again* with Michael over at Autofinders: http://www.theautofinders.biz . > >I'm not really trying to pump up AutoFinders and I sure as heck don't work for them; I just wanted to let you people know if you have been in the same boat as me..trying to find a TDI and not wanting to buy it on eBay. > >Thoughts: > >After driving a V6 TypeS engine for 3 years, I have to say I am TOTALLY IMPRESSED with the performance, pickup, and handling of my TDI. I thought I was going to get a little 4-banger put put putter, but I was wrong! Very Happy. All my friends are looking into TDI's now! I'm going to save SO much money on my 30mile-one-way commute. > >And the very first tank of diesel I put in (and everyone since) was B20 at the BP Pump in S. Cary! I was so happy and there was another guy with a TDI pumping up too, we gave a virtual "TDI High-5" hahaha. > >I also bought this bumper sticker and am displaying it proud: >http://www.cafepress.com/biodiesel.5859151 >http://www.cafepress.com/biodiesel >More here: >http://www.ybiofuels.org/bio_fuels/stickers.html > >Questions: > >VW states that they will only support B5 Biodiesel and told me I run the risk of voiding my warranty with anything higher. I have been using B20 from the get go. > >Can I ask any other TDI owners your thoughts on this? B20? B100? > >Also all you TDI owners, where do you go for Maintenance? Dealer? 10k for oil changes? > >Anyway, I want to thank everybody on this list for their research and taking the time to mention good mechanics and other important information. I truly believe that, just like the Space Race in the 1960's, the next big American Science movement will be the Race for Domestic BioFuels and Energy Independence. > >Best Regards, >Carlos Thompson > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list >Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net >http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > From agiles at cape.com Mon Aug 8 15:43:09 2005 From: agiles at cape.com (Allen Giles) Date: Mon Aug 8 14:05:23 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: tdi for sale In-Reply-To: <20050808162708.56141.qmail@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050808162708.56141.qmail@web52015.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1123526589.2457.254.camel@localhost.localdomain> My needs for an 84 MB 300TDT wagon. (1) driver side sun visor, with mirror - blue (1) rear passenger seat head rest - blue (1) rear bumper with cut out for backup lights (1) left rear plastic molding, adjacent to the hatch - blue (1) power window motor I'll buy the whole car if the bumper has no rust and blue interior On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 12:27, douglas woolcock wrote: > 4 wheel drive truck? Yeah, I pulled loads of them out > of the ditches with my Mercedes when I lived in the > Rockies. > > Unfortuneatly, an SUV also managed to total the 300TD. > The junkyard is willing to give me $200 for the > rearended vehicle, but I thought that some one here > might need a parts car. Lots of good parts (I did > remove the grease conversion stuff for my TDI though). > About 420,000 miles on it but it ran strong. > > --- Rachel Burton wrote: > > > Anyone looking for a TDI to purchase? > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Owners, I think 2 but I cant be sure. My > > boyfriend bought it 1 > > > year ago from University Auto and they said it had > > one owner but > > > didnt give us the service records so...I think we > > are the second > > > owner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Selling because we are moving to Montana and need > > a 4 wheel drive > > > truck. Love this car, but not practical where we > > are going :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Servicing, my boyfriend does the oil changes and > > replaced the MAS > > > air flow sensor, Campus Auto is doing the timing > > belt and water > > > pump, and the Volkswagon Dealer in Cary (leith) is > > there for > > > everything else! > > > > > > > > > > > > No wrecks, ever! > > > > > > > > > > > > Features: > > > > > > Dual side airbags > > > > > > Side air bags > > > > > > 8 CD changer & Tape Deck > > > > > > Removeable Rear Seats > > > > > > Diesel Turbo Charge > > > > > > Keyless entry > > > > > > Lots more but I cant think of it off the top of my > > head. You may > > > want to go on google and type in 2001 Jetta TDI > > Features and see > > > what pops up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know if you'd like to come see it! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Ryan ( autmnaniml@aol.com) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From agiles at cape.com Mon Aug 8 15:44:41 2005 From: agiles at cape.com (Allen Giles) Date: Mon Aug 8 14:06:55 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: tdi for sale In-Reply-To: <395DCB20-78A9-4E75-933D-F0DDE5AFEAC6@blast.com> References: <200508081405.j78E5GL4020442@ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com> <395DCB20-78A9-4E75-933D-F0DDE5AFEAC6@blast.com> Message-ID: <1123526681.2457.256.camel@localhost.localdomain> What's the year, miles and purchase price? On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 11:25, Rachel Burton wrote: > Anyone looking for a TDI to purchase? > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > Owners, I think 2 but I cant be sure. My boyfriend bought it 1 > > year ago from University Auto and they said it had one owner but > > didnt give us the service records so...I think we are the second > > owner. > > > > > > > > Selling because we are moving to Montana and need a 4 wheel drive > > truck. Love this car, but not practical where we are going :-) > > > > > > > > Servicing, my boyfriend does the oil changes and replaced the MAS > > air flow sensor, Campus Auto is doing the timing belt and water > > pump, and the Volkswagon Dealer in Cary (leith) is there for > > everything else! > > > > > > > > No wrecks, ever! > > > > > > > > Features: > > > > Dual side airbags > > > > Side air bags > > > > 8 CD changer & Tape Deck > > > > Removeable Rear Seats > > > > Diesel Turbo Charge > > > > Keyless entry > > > > Lots more but I cant think of it off the top of my head. You may > > want to go on google and type in 2001 Jetta TDI Features and see > > what pops up. > > > > > > > > Let me know if you'd like to come see it! > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Ryan ( autmnaniml@aol.com) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From dpwoolcock at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 13:15:10 2005 From: dpwoolcock at yahoo.com (douglas woolcock) Date: Mon Aug 8 15:06:33 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 300TD Message-ID: <20050808191510.9364.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Well, lots of response and questions about this awesome car. 84 300TD wagon 420,000 miles green ext, tan interior $200 was rearended so the back is a bit smooshed. Douglas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Bill.Cooley at med.va.gov Mon Aug 8 16:55:04 2005 From: Bill.Cooley at med.va.gov (Bill.Cooley@med.va.gov) Date: Mon Aug 8 15:45:58 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: 79 Mercedes TD Message-ID: I HAVE A 79 WAGON WITH 320,000 MILES;GOOD TO EXCELLENT CONDITION,LOOKS AND RUNS GREAT. HAVE RUN B100. ASKING $2500 RALEIGH 919 233-3961 -----Original Message----- From: Cooley, Bill DURVAMC Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:03 PM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: FW: 79 Mercedes TD From agiles at cape.com Mon Aug 8 17:00:18 2005 From: agiles at cape.com (agiles@cape.com) Date: Mon Aug 8 15:51:42 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: 79 Mercedes TD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050808195858.M79653@cape.com> Does the rear bumper have the two cutouts for backup lights? What color is the interior? On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:55:04 -0400 , Bill.Cooley wrote > I HAVE A 79 WAGON WITH 320,000 MILES;GOOD TO EXCELLENT CONDITION, > LOOKS AND RUNS GREAT. HAVE RUN B100. ASKING $2500 RALEIGH 919 > 233-3961 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cooley, Bill DURVAMC > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:03 PM > To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > Subject: FW: 79 Mercedes TD > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From ruisme at nuvox.net Tue Aug 9 09:51:08 2005 From: ruisme at nuvox.net (Richard U) Date: Tue Aug 9 08:44:31 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 84 300TD wagon Message-ID: Well if no one wants to put it back on the road, I am interested in it for spares for my '83 300TD...where is it? Richard U in so. Raleigh > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net]On Behalf Of > douglas woolcock > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:15 PM > To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 300TD > > > Well, lots of response and questions about this > awesome car. > > 84 300TD wagon > 420,000 miles > green ext, tan interior > $200 > > was rearended so the back is a bit smooshed. > > Douglas > >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. -Thomas Jefferson From agiles at cape.com Tue Aug 9 11:46:42 2005 From: agiles at cape.com (Allen Giles) Date: Tue Aug 9 10:08:48 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 84 300TD wagon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1123598801.2457.348.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'll by the rear bumper from you. On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 08:51, Richard U wrote: > Well if no one wants to put it back on the road, I am interested in > it for spares for my '83 300TD...where is it? > > Richard U in so. Raleigh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net]On Behalf Of > > douglas woolcock > > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:15 PM > > To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 300TD > > > > > > Well, lots of response and questions about this > > awesome car. > > > > 84 300TD wagon > > 420,000 miles > > green ext, tan interior > > $200 > > > > was rearended so the back is a bit smooshed. > > > > Douglas > > > > >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< >^..^< > Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, > will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. > -Thomas Jefferson > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Aug 12 10:24:47 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Aug 12 09:16:06 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: FYI... oil burner FS References: <20050811000332.96987.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8BE48AA3-5CD6-472D-AA5C-47CB34A9F226@blast.com> Anyone for an oil burner? Begin forwarded message: > From: Peter Denz > Date: August 10, 2005 8:03:32 PM EDT > To: wrenchwench@blast.com > Subject: FYI... oil burner FS > > > I have a Siegel oil-burner that works excellent for > heating your work shed > or garage. it has a temperature control and fan and > really does work well. > Plenty of years left in this oil burner. > > Only $35 > > First one with $35 gets it. > > -John > 919-696-4323 > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From wrenchwench at blast.com Sat Aug 13 14:57:03 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sat Aug 13 13:49:15 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: [Biofuel] Energy Bill Extends Oil-Wasting Fuel Economy Loophole References: Message-ID: <0571DC30-208A-443F-B2A4-D537AF925B57@blast.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: Keith Addison > Date: August 12, 2005 2:25:21 PM EDT > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: [Biofuel] Energy Bill Extends Oil-Wasting Fuel Economy > Loophole > Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0811-03.htm > Public Citizen > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > AUGUST 11, 2005 > 11.43 AM > CONTACT: Public Citizen > (202) 588-1000 > > Energy Bill Extends Oil-Wasting Fuel Economy Loophole > Legislation Shields Automakers From Legal Challenge, Will Increase > Oil Consumption > > WASHINGTON - August 11 - A little-noticed provision in the energy > bill signed Monday allots automakers bogus fuel economy credits for > building cars capable of running on alternative fuel such as > ethanol even if the cars almost always use gasoline. The provision > nullifies a lawsuit filed by public interest groups against the > Department of Transportation. > > The "dual fuel" loophole allows automakers to claim credit for > producing "dual fuel" vehicles, boosting their fuel economy numbers > on paper by as much as 1.2 miles per gallon. The loophole would > increase U.S. gas consumption by 15 billion gallons over the life > of its 10-year extension. > > The loophole was originally extended by the Department of > Transportation and was challenged in 2004 in a lawsuit by Public > Citizen, the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Center for > Auto Safety. That lawsuit was dropped Wednesday after the "dual > fuel" provision was signed into law. > > Originally intended to reduce oil consumption, the loophole was > created to promote production of vehicles that can operate on 85 > percent ethanol (E85) in addition to gasoline. But with few gas > stations supplying E85 - only 221 of 176,000 in the United States - > and with most "dual fuel" vehicle owners unaware that their > vehicles take alternative fuel, nearly all drivers fill their "dual > fuel" cars with gasoline only. A March 2002 Department of > Transportation report found that "dual fuel" vehicles run on > gasoline more than 99 percent of the time. > > Daimler/Chrysler has taken the greatest advantage of these phony > mileage credits, boosting the fortunes of the oil-producing > countries Dubai and Kuwait, which became the company's first and > third largest private investors earlier this year. Ford and GM also > have increasingly used these credits to avoid having to increase > the fuel efficiency of pickup trucks and SUVs. > > "Despite the rhetoric, the energy bill just moves the nation toward > more oil use, not less," said Dan Lashof, science director for > NRDC's Climate Center. "Instead of helping Detroit catch up in the > technology race, the bill gives automakers an accounting gimmick." > > "Knowing that they couldn't defend the 'dual fuel' loophole in > court, the Big Three ran to Congress," said Joan Claybrook, > president of Public Citizen. "Once again, Detroit is substituting > lobbying clout for innovative engineering." > > Unable to continue their court challenge, Public Citizen, NRDC and > the Center for Auto Safety will ask Congress to reform the "dual > fuel" program so that any fuel economy credits reflect actual use > of alternative fuel. > > "The 'dual fuel' loophole can't withstand public scrutiny," said > Clarence Ditlow, director of the Center for Auto Safety. "The auto > industry's friends in Congress hid the extension of this > counterproductive program in a 1,700-page energy bill. This cries > out for a correction." > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ > biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > From habibtimegan at yahoo.com Sun Aug 14 14:51:46 2005 From: habibtimegan at yahoo.com (Megan) Date: Sun Aug 14 16:42:57 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 1983 Chev Truck- Converted to run on SVO- FOR SALE Message-ID: <20050814205147.68811.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> FOR SALE 1983 Chevrolet Pick-up Truck 6.2 L Diesel Engine 132,000 miles Already converted to run on straight vegetable oil with a Neoteric Biofuels kit. The truck's body and interior are in excellent condition for its age. No rust to speak of. It has brand new tires and brake system. The truck is in Asheville, N.C., but I'd be willing to drive it to the Triangle area for a committed buyer. I'm hoping to sell this to someone who will upkeep the vegetable oil conversion. It's really professionally done... to match the classy truck. The only reason I'm selling it is because I need a smaller car. Asking price: $3,000 Or best offer. Contact: habibtimegan@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From scott at blast.com Sun Aug 14 22:48:10 2005 From: scott at blast.com (Scott Every) Date: Sun Aug 14 21:39:26 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] 150mpg prius Message-ID: <9F40E208-E561-4BB7-BE5C-38A34A9EDE00@blast.com> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050813/ap_on_hi_te/ hybrid_tinkerers;_ylt=AvknIMKX3hMtXQNnS8STL9R34T0D;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9m BHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl s From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Aug 15 23:51:59 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Aug 15 22:43:05 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] New Dutch Tax Plan to Incentivize Alternative Fuel Use Message-ID: <45534CC6-C4C9-43BF-B729-2A2CE13432CF@blast.com> New Dutch Tax Plan to Incentivize Alternative Fuel Use Netherlands Info Services (NIS) recently reported that Dutch agriculture minister Cees Veerman announced late last month that the cabinet intends to include incentives for the purchase of biodiesel and ethanol in the 2006 Tax Plan, which is scheduled to be unveiled next month. According to NIS, the Netherlands has much remaining work to do if the country is to help the European Union achieve its goal of having nearly six percent of the fuel supply "biological" by the end of the decade. (NIS: 7/28) From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Aug 16 22:32:44 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Aug 16 21:23:46 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Energy Independence Days! Coming soon....September 19-24, 2005 Message-ID: Register Now! Energy Independence Days Sustainable Solutions for North Carolina September 19-24, 2005 The Southeast & Mid-Atlantic Regional Wind Summit September 19-20, 2005 Refueling America September 21, 2005 Summit of Colleges for Sustainability September 21, 2005 Sustainability Fair September 23-24, 2005 Several organizations in North Carolina have joined together for a week of events to heighten awareness about critical issues. We invite you to learn about solutions that can improve and preserve the health of North Carolina?s citizens, economy and natural treasures. Also in the Week: Solar Meet-Up September 20 Implementing Natural Capitalism September 21 FuelCellSouth Seminar September 22 Sustainable Business Networking Social September 22 Clean Vehicles Workshop September 22 NC HealthyBuilt Homes Orientation September 23 The Energy Independence Days organizers would like to thank their sponsors: v State Energy Office, NC Department of Administration v National Alternative Fuels Training Consortium v American Lung Association of North Carolina v Earth Fare - The Healthy Supermarket, and v UNC-Chapel Hill Sustainability Office For more information: continuingeducation.ncsu.edu/energy-independence-days.htm lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu; (919) 513-7769 The Southeast & Mid-Atlantic Regional Wind Summit September 19 ? 20, 2005 ? 8:30AM ? 5:30 PM Jane S. McKimmon Center at NC State University 1101 Gorman Street Raleigh, NC 27606 Attend and you will learn: Day 1: ? Regional development: feasibility, potential, and current projects. September 19 ? 20, 2005 8:30AM ? 5:30 PM Jane S. McKimmon Center NC State University 1101 Gorman Street Raleigh, NC 27606 Fee: $45 for two days To Register: www.ncsc.ncsu.edu/calendar Or call (919) 515-2261. To sponsor, display, or to learn more, contact: Cole McVey, ASU Energy Center mcveylc@appstate.edu (828) 262-7515. Sponsored by: Appalachian State University?s Energy Center NC State Energy Office ? N.C. Department of Administration North Carolina Solar Center at NC State University US DOE?s Wind Powering America Program ? Permitting and environmental considerations, ? Utility wind: economics, integration, and operating impacts A reception will follow at the NC Solar House, adjacent to the McKimmon Center. Day 2: Concurrent Technical Sessions from 8:30?Noon. ? Small-Scale Wind Power ? Off-Shore Wind Power Speakers Include: Phil Dougherty, DOE?s Wind Powering America Program; Steve Clemmen, Union of Concerned Scientists; and Brent Beerley, Community Fee: $45 for two days To Register: www.ncsc.ncsu.edu/calendar Or call (919) 515-2261. To sponsor, display, or to learn more, contact: Cole McVey, ASU Energy Center at email: mcveylc@appstate.edu (828) 262-7515. Sponsored by: Appalachian State University?s Energy Center NC State Energy Office ? N.C. Department of Administration North Carolina Solar Center at NC State University US DOE?s Wind Powering America Program Back to Top Refueling America September 21, 2005 ? 8:00 AM - 3:00 PM Jane S. McKimmon Center at NC State University 1101 Gorman Street Raleigh, NC 27606 Attend and you will learn: ? Air quality and energy security ? Biodiesel and ethanol applications ? Trends in the Hybrid vehicle industry ? EPA?s Smartway Transport Partnership and idle reduction Luncheon keynote: Paul Roberts, author of The End of Oil examines the history of energy use, the current state of alternative transportation technologies, rising oil prices and the effect of energy policy on national security and foreign relations. The End of Oil is hailed by the New York Times as ??perhaps the best single book ever produced about our energy economy and its environmental implications.? Fees: $35 Workshop & luncheon?Before Sept. 16 $40 Workshop and luncheon?After Sept. 16 $25 Luncheon only $25 Workshop & luncheon for commercial truck Owners/operators, fuel providers and fleet managers To Register: www.trianglecleancities.org or call (919) 558-9400 To Sponsor, Display or To Learn more Contact: Anne Tazewell, NC Solar Center anne_tazwell@ncsu.edu (919) 513-7831 Sponsored by: American Lung Association of NC National Alternative Fuels Training Consortium/Wake Tech Comm. Coll. National Biodiesel Board NCDENR?Division of Air Quality NC Biotechnology Center NC Solar Center at NC State University NC State Energy Office ? Department of Administration Triangle Clean Cities/Triangle J Council of Governments Back to Top Summit of Colleges for Sustainability September 21, 2005 ? 12 PM - 5:30 PM Jane S. McKimmon Center at NC State University 1101 Gorman Street Raleigh, NC 27606 Attend and you will learn: ? Academic and workforce development programs already offered in the state ? Market-driving programs and other activities that will help heighten awareness for sustainable practices and technologies ? Sustainability programs in campuses ? Meet others in the field working towards the same goal of sustainable education ? How you can help create more partnerships among educational institutions by joining working committees A reception will follow at the NC Solar House, adjacent to the McKimmon Center. Fee: $40 admission Free for students $250 Exhibitors (includes 2 complimentary registrations) To Register: www.ncsc.ncsu.edu/calendar or email lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu To Sponsor, Display, or to learn more Contact: Lyra Rakusin, NC Solar Center lyra_rakusin@ncsu.edu (919) 513-7769 Sponsored by: NC Solar Center at NCSU State Energy Office?N.C. Department of Administration Earth Fare, the healthy supermarket UNC- Chapel Hill Sustainability Office Center for Energy Research and Technology at NC A&T University SURGE Wilson Technical Community Back to Top Sustainability Fair September 23-24, 2005 ? 8:00AM - 4:00 PM Central Carolina Community College Chatham County Campus Pittsboro, NC Attend the Workshops and you will learn: ? Sustainable Agriculture?organic farming, permaculture, organic compost ? Sustainable Transportation and Renewable Energy--biofuels and electric cars ? Sustainable Building--green building and natural building ? Land and Water Conservancy Exhibit Space and Sponsorship Opportunities are Available! Exhibit cost is $25 per booth. Event sponsorships are available at Green $100, Blue Sky $250 & Global* $2,000 levels. If your organization is interested in this unique opportunity to advertise your services and products, please contact our office to reserve an exhibit space or to arrange a sponsorship. Fee: $60 Saturday Workshops $75 Friday Tour & Saturday Workshops $25 Friday Tour only (fees include lunch) Free: General Admission to the outdoor Fair Exhibits To Register: www.cccc.edu/Sustainability or Call (919) 542-6495 x223 To Sponsor, Display, or to learn more Contact: www.cccc.edu/Sustainabillity Or contact Continuing Education Office (919) 542-6495 x223 Sponsored by: Central Carolina Community College Piedmont Biofuels Cooperative Back to Top Attend these Related Events During the Week Solar Meet-Up September 20, 2005 ? 7:00 ? 8:30PM Chapel Hill Public Library off Estes Drive near E. Franklin Street SURGE and the Town of Chapel Hill solar committee, part of the NC Million Solar Roofs Initiative, are having a public meeting featuring Professor Douglas Crawford-Brown of UNC?s Carolina Environmental Program. MSRI groups aim to encourage education, innovation, towers solar energy use in our area. For more information contact: Dennis Markatos at SURGE - surgenc@yahoo.com or (919) 960-6886 Back to Top Implementing Natural Capitalism September 21, 2005 ? 6:00 ? 7:00PM Koury Auditorium in Kenan Flagler Business School, UNC-Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC Hunter Lovins discusses the business strategies and tools of Natural Capitalism to attain sustainability and competitive advantage. This event is FREE and sponsored by the Center for Sustainable Enterprise at Kenan-Flagler Business School and the Carolina Environmental Program at UNC. For more information contact: Ruth Tolman at ruth_tolman@unc.edu (919) 962-1499. Back to Top FuelCellSouth Seminar: Utilizing Biomass Feedstocks for Fuel Cell Implementations September 22, 2005 ? 8:30 - 11:30 AM NC State Centennial Campus College of Textiles Convocation Center Raleigh, NC FuelCellSouth presents an in-depth look at the opportunities and challenges for utilizing biomass as a feedstock for fuel cells. This event is co-sponsored by the NC State College of Textiles, the NC State Solar Energy Center and the NC State Energy Office. For more information visit www.fuelcellsouth.com Back to Top Clean Vehicles Workshop September 22, 2005 Asheville, NC Location and times to be announced. ?End of Oil? author Paul Roberts travels to Asheville to give a talk on the history of energy use, state of alternative transportation technologies, oil prices, energy policy and national security. For more information contact Bill Eaker at (828) 251-6622 or bill@landofsky Back to Top Sustainable Business Networking Social September 22, 2005 ? 6:30 - 8:30PM Raleigh, NC (specific location TBD) This event marks the launch of Triangle Net Impact, the local professional chapter of Net Impact, a global network of new- generation leaders committed to using the power of business to improve the world (www.net-impact.org). All who are interested are welcome to join us for this networking event. For information about this event or membership, email: katie_kross@uncbusiness.net Back to Top NC HealthyBuilt Homes September 23, 2005 ? 8:30AM ? 2:00PM Jane S. McKimmon Center at NCSU 1101 Gorman Street Raleigh, NC Learn the benefits, building guidelines and process to become a participant in the NC HealthyBuilt Homes Program, a statewide green builder program for residential building professionals administered by the NC Solar Center at NC State University. Register online at www.ncsc.ncsu.edu/calendar. For more information contact NC HealthyBuilt Homes at (919) 515-3954 or www.healthybuilthomes.org Back to Top Brought To You BY: NC Solar Center ASU?s Energy Center Triangle Clean Cities/Triangle J Council of Government Central Carolina Community College Wake Tech Community College Sponsored By: State Energy Office - Department of Administration American Lung Association of NC Earth Fare, the healthy supermarket National Alternative Fuels ? Training Consortium UNC- Chapel Hill Sustainability Office In Cooperation with: SURGE NC Sustainable Energy Association NC Million Solar Roofs Initiative Center for Sustainable Enterprise at UNC-Chapel Hill Back to Top From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Aug 18 14:26:27 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Aug 18 17:47:25 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: diesel vehicles available References: Message-ID: Diesels for sale! Going once, twice........ Begin forwarded message: > From: "seth shoneman" > Date: August 17, 2005 10:25:45 PM EDT > To: rachel@biofuels.coop > Subject: diesel vehicles available > > > Hey Rachel! > > > Here are 2 nice diesels for sale: > > > 1. 1982 Chevy Luv Diesel pickup , 4 cyclinder Isuzu engine, 2 WD, > 5 speed, AC, runs well, new paint, good tires, odometer says 180 K > asking $2500 > > > 2. 1983 Mercedes-Benz Turbo Diesel station wagon, 220K, runs well, > good condition, new inspection and tune-up, local car, serviced > last 20 years at A Better Wrench of Chapel Hill- $3000 > > > > anyone interested can contact Seth at 919-616-1132 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http:// > search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Aug 18 14:44:21 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Aug 18 17:47:43 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Biodiesel Industry report Message-ID: <8CE3C858-F857-4755-BE86-B915F2E676EE@blast.com> INDUSTRY REPORT --------------- Local Ohio Fueling Station Introduces Biodiesel Offering The Associated Press (AP) recently reported that a Rapid Stop gas station in Cleveland, OH has become the first retailer in that city to offer biodiesel fuel. According to AP, the Rapid Stop is offering B20, a blend of 20 percent biodiesel and 80 percent standard petroleum diesel. AP noted that although the station is currently selling the fuel for an introductory price equal to the cost for its conventional diesel fuel, it plans to raise the price at a later date. (AP: 8/13) = = = = = = = INTERNATIONAL REPORT -------------------- Philippine Oil Company Begins Selling New Biodiesel Blend The Philippine Daily Inquirer recently reported that oil company Flying V launched earlier this week a new fueling station offering a coco-biodiesel fuel blend. According to the newspaper, the blend contains one percent coco methyl ester (CME). The paper said Aldrin Magpantay, technical engineer of CME distributor Chemrez, Inc., maintains that the new fuel blend is capable of reducing vehicular exhaust by up to 60 percent and improving mileage by up to 30 percent. (DAILY INQUIRER: 8/16) From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Aug 18 15:02:05 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Aug 18 17:48:10 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Industry & the Texas Low Emission Diesel (TxLED) law Message-ID: <0DE0CF42-AF2A-4BB5-A110-172D97EC59E7@blast.com> INDUSTRY REPORT --------------- ORYXE Energy Begins Delivery of OR-LED Additive to SemFuel ORYXE Energy International recently announced it has begun delivery of its proprietary OR-LED fuel additive to refined petroleum product wholesale distributor SemFuel. According to ORYXE Energy, SemFuel will be supplying the Houston area with diesel fuel that is in compliance with the new Texas Low-emission Diesel (TX-LED) rule. "With ORYXE Energy's OR-LED additive, SemFuel has the flexibility to supply our customers with TX-LED compliant product in the most economically feasible way," said SemFuel vice president of marketing Sara Hordinski. Contact: Kristen Reilly, ORYXE Energy, phone 949-452-9272, website http://www.oryxe-energy.com. (EIN STAFF: 8/16) = = = = = = = TCEQ Approves Biofriendly's Green Plus Diesel Fuel Enhancer Biofriendly Corporation recently announced that its Green Plus diesel fuel enhancer has been approved by the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) as an emission-reduction solution for both on-road and off-road use. According to Biofriendly, the TCEQ approval means that on-road trucks, off-road construction equipment, school buses, locomotives and marine vessels that use diesel fuel in the 110 counties in Texas designated by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as non-attainment areas may use fuel treated with Green Plus to meet the new Texas Low Emission Diesel (TxLED) law that goes into effect October 1. Biofriendly also announced that it has been awarded two new grants by the State of Texas to pay for testing Green Plus with ultra-low sulfur diesel (ULSD) and biodiesel fuel. Biofriendly noted that the grants, which total more than $300,000, were awarded after review by TCEQ and presented to the company based on past test results and "superior potential to reduce pollution." Contact: Jim D'Arezzo, Biofriendly, phone 626-303-6000, e-mail jim@biofriendly.com. (EIN STAFF: 8/16) = = = = = = = From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Aug 18 17:30:41 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Aug 18 17:50:19 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Ag Mechanics Class at CCCC: Learn how to fix it yourself! References: Message-ID: <99E19D4B-31AD-4CA9-9226-91D2701AE58C@blast.com> I'm sure there will be some discussion of using biodiesel or svo in your diesel equipment..... Johnny is definitely knowledgeable in both areas. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Robin Kohanowich" > Date: August 18, 2005 4:05:15 PM EDT > To: "Robin Kohanowich" , > > Subject: Re: [growingsmallfarms] Update-Learn how to fix it yourself! > > > Hi Folks- Here is an update and further information about the ag > mechanics class. The time for the class has been changed to start > at 5pm- which will hopefully be more accomodating for folks > traveling from work. > Here is a more detailed description of the course: > Course Description > This course is a study of farm machinery and agricultural > equipment. Topics include selection and operation of tractors, > materials handling equipment, tillage and harvesting equipment and > irrigation systems. Upon completion, students should be able to > identify equipment parts and explain the basic principles of > machinery operation and management. > Rationale > This is a required course for students in the Sustainable > Agriculture AAS degree, and is recommended for anyone desiring > hands-on experience and knowledge about farm equipment. > > Expected student outcomes: > Upon completion of this course, students should demonstrate > competency in: > * Developing maintenance schedule for mechanical equipment used > on the farm. > * Evaluating the need for specific equipment. > * Estimating costs for various equipment > * Sourcing the materials need for building and repairing > equipment. > * Applying sustainable principles to resource use. > * Safe use and appropriate selection of hand and power tools. > * Safety and skilled use of machinery. > TOPICS: > * Intro to Ag Mech. Safety. Hand tools - tools you (as a farmer) > should own. > * Proper use of tools, types of engines maintenance and operation > * small engines - parts, maintenance and schedules, repairs > * Tractors > * Tractors/ > * Tractors/ > - tractors continued > - tractors and implements (field trip?) > - walk-behind tractors, tillers -parts, maintenance and schedules > - Welding > - Hydraulic Systems > - loading and securing loads on trucks and trailers, safety > - Wheel bearings (tractors, trucks, trailers) > - Chainsaws and weedeaters, safe use, maintenance and repair. > - Pumps, overall review of topics. > > > Robin Kohanowich > Coordinator, The Sustainable Farming Program > CCCC > 764 West Street > Pittsboro, NC 27312 > > >>>> "Robin Kohanowich" 08/16/05 2:51 PM >>> >>>> > CCCC Sustainable Ag program is offering Ag Mechanics (AGR220) on > Wednesday afternoons from 3:30 to 7:10. The instructor, Johnny Frye > has a wealth of experience working with all types of equipment > encountered in the farm setting. This course will be hands-on > application of learning about small engines, maintaining and > repairing equipment - both large and small. Tillers, tractors, and > chain saws included. Save $ and fix it yourself! > Please call Robin at 542-6495 ext 229 for more info. Class begins > 8/24/05 > > > Robin Kohanowich > Coordinator, The Sustainable Farming Program > CCCC > 764 West Street > Pittsboro, NC 27312 > > > > From tryan at direcway.com Thu Aug 18 19:21:37 2005 From: tryan at direcway.com (T Ryan) Date: Thu Aug 18 18:12:38 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel generators Message-ID: Has anyone in the group assessed the best diesel generator on the market for use in home supplemental power? Since we're making all this biodiesel, couldn't we use some to reduce our dependence on utility power? Just curious. Features I'm interested in seeing include: - electric starter - variable engine RPM (doesn't have to run wide open if the load is light) - good "mileage" = good efficiency - in the range of 5 - 10 kW Thanks in advance for your help. Tim Ryan From karlynmeow at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 19:04:24 2005 From: karlynmeow at hotmail.com (Karlyn Jensen) Date: Thu Aug 18 22:58:04 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] ***SPAM*** dying fuel temp sensor Message-ID: Hi, Just a note about dealers....they don't believe in fixing anything. They just replace things with new parts. Don't waste your money! Find a good local mechanic. Case in point: I had a rattle in the exhaust of my Beetle. The dealer said that I needed a new catalytic converter costing $1,100. I took it to Henry's Muffler in Raleigh, who over the phone said a new catalytic converter would cost me only $100. When they looked at it, they discovered some rocks had gotten up in there and they removed them and didn't charge me a penny. -Karlyn "Be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi From wrenchwench at blast.com Fri Aug 19 12:56:35 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Fri Aug 19 11:47:25 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Researcher Works to Enhance Biodiesel Production Profitability Message-ID: <6F6BB707-8D3A-46F0-AD51-EBAEEECD401E@blast.com> SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY REPORT --------------------------- Researcher Works to Enhance Biodiesel Production Profitability The University of Missouri-Columbia (MU) recently announced that Galen Suppes, an MU chemical engineering professor and chief science officer of the MU-based Renewable Alternatives, has developed a new process for converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel production process, into propylene glycol, which can be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles. According to Suppes, the new propylene glycol product, made from domestic soybeans, presents an alternative to the use of toxic, petroleum-based ethylene glycol. While other groups are involved in similar research, Suppes maintains that his process works at a lower pressure and temperature, as well as creates a higher yield. "At best, right now biodiesel production is only part of the solution," said Suppes. "Current biodiesel production in the United States is about 0.03 billion gallons per year as compared to distillate fuel oil consumption of 57 billion gallons per year. We believe this technology will encourage and attract more companies and plants to produce propylene glycol, a cheaper and environmentally safer product." Suppes estimates that the technology could help reduce the cost of biodiesel production by as much as 40 cents per gallon of the alternative fuel. MU noted that Renewable Alternatives is currently licensing the technology to three biodiesel plants, with a fourth in the planning stages. Contact: Jeffrey Neu, MU, phone 573-882-3346, e-mail neuj@missouri.edu. (EIN STAFF: 8/11) From john.bonitz at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 00:44:20 2005 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:35:19 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? In-Reply-To: <84a57a4205081920313c71c8bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <84a57a4205081920313c71c8bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <84a57a4205081920441a706f02@mail.gmail.com> This week's cover story in the Weekly World News: WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW: NO MORE OIL! TOP SECRET STUDY: WORLD SUPPLY WILL BE GONE IN SIX MONTHS. * ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE! * MILLIONS WILL STARVE! * DRY! DRY! DRY! WASHINGTON, D.C. ? A secret report presented to President Bush from his friends in the oil industry contains a stunning revelation: The world's supply of oil will be completely used up in just six months. The top-secret report ? Globe Uses Last Petrol or GULP ? revealed that while there may be untapped reserves, they are shallow and virtually inaccessible. "THE EARTH IS EFFECTIVELY DEAD!" "The earth is effectively dry," agreed South American Oil chief Juan V. Cruz. "When you visit our wells all you hear is a terrible gurgling sound ? like sipping a straw in an empty milk container." Head of the Middle Eastern Oil Consortium, Petra Jardeen, confided, "We are accustomed to the relocation of oil reserves due to occasional geologic shifts," she said. "But we have never encountered anything like this. I am printing my resume as we speak." While the end of the road has come as a shock to some, others are not surprised. "For more than a century, fossil fuels have kept civilization warm at might and powered their automobiles and planes," Swiss economic analyst M.T. Taanke told Weekly World News in an exclusive interview. "But the end really began 70 years ago when lawn-mowers and then bigger lawnmowers started running on oil, when mechanical plows replaced ox teams, when cars and aircraft got bigger. The oil companies encouraged these developments, fueling their own hastened demise. "Remember the gas crisis of the 1970s?" M.T. Taanke asked. "That did severe damage to the bottom line of every industry on earth. It even hastened the end of the LP since records were made of vinyl -- a petroleum product. But while we knew we were being gouged, that there would be long lines at the pump, we also knew the drought would end. We weren't heading for an apocalyptic "Planet of the Apes" future. "Not this time." The GULP Report states that a global depression will be devastating beyond belief. ALL GAS STATIONS WILL BE RATIONING! "What Weekly World News boldly described in its June 6 edition will only be the start," said Wall Street economist Allan Redbridge. "By the early fall gas stations around the world will be rationing gas. Then, one by one, they will shutter their pumps forever. "Riots will erupt in the streets of the oil producing nations," Redbridge went on. "Forget wars of ideology. People will be fighting for food and water. Millions will starve. "The makers of hybrid cars will begin churning out automobiles as fast as possible ? but only one-in-thirty people will have the money to buy one. And their lives will be in danger from carjackers every time they go on the road. For most people, cars will be replaced by bicycles. But that's just the start. There will be no way get goods from plant or farm to the consumer. Cities and villages will become self-sufficient and ruled by mayors-turned-warlords. "Non-nuclear power stations will be forced to shut down," Redbridge went on. "Electricity will be rationed. There will be a rush on coal, but most people will have no heat in the winter and no air-conditioning in the summer. "All of this will happen by the first quarter of 2006. By the summer, civilization as we know it will have crumbled." "President Bush is numb when he isn't panic stricken," confided close advisor "KR." "His entire political agenda, including the war in Iraq, has been driven by favors to his Texas oil pals. Now what?" Hoping to keep his own buddies afloat, Vice President Dick Cheney and his team have begun crash programs for industrial firms like Halliburton to develop solar powered resources or hydrogen-based fuels (through their Hindenburg subsidiary). Weekly World News has also learned of ? and is currently investigating ? government plans for sail-driven cars. A few small, entrepreneurial firms ? motivated by genuine concern, not profit ? are working on smaller solutions. "We're building home windmills," said Skye Willow, CEO of Earth Friendly Stuff. "Coastal and mountain areas with access to wind will be able to generate clean power. Homes near rivers will be able to use our new watermills. "It's a long overdue return to basics," Ms. Willow chastened. "Unfortunately, our products are handmade so we can only produce one mill every two days. It'll take, like, 200 million days to produce one for everyone in America. Still, it's a start." "It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By this time next year we will be happy to have effective leadership of any kind, even apes." -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From efcox at charter.net Sat Aug 20 12:12:45 2005 From: efcox at charter.net (Everett Cox) Date: Sat Aug 20 11:03:46 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? In-Reply-To: <84a57a4205081920441a706f02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201c5a599$a1ffc380$f9f1b518@CoxNC3809976> WoW John I missed that. I just came back from checking one of my favorite grease dumpsters and it was EMPTY! What am I going to do NoW? I think I will finish my coffee...and then PANIC! Ev -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of John Bonitz Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:44 PM To: BIG Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? This week's cover story in the Weekly World News: WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW: NO MORE OIL! TOP SECRET STUDY: WORLD SUPPLY WILL BE GONE IN SIX MONTHS. * ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE! * MILLIONS WILL STARVE! * DRY! DRY! DRY! WASHINGTON, D.C. - A secret report presented to President Bush from his friends in the oil industry contains a stunning revelation: The world's supply of oil will be completely used up in just six months. The top-secret report - Globe Uses Last Petrol or GULP - revealed that while there may be untapped reserves, they are shallow and virtually inaccessible. "THE EARTH IS EFFECTIVELY DEAD!" "The earth is effectively dry," agreed South American Oil chief Juan V. Cruz. "When you visit our wells all you hear is a terrible gurgling sound - like sipping a straw in an empty milk container." Head of the Middle Eastern Oil Consortium, Petra Jardeen, confided, "We are accustomed to the relocation of oil reserves due to occasional geologic shifts," she said. "But we have never encountered anything like this. I am printing my resume as we speak." While the end of the road has come as a shock to some, others are not surprised. "For more than a century, fossil fuels have kept civilization warm at might and powered their automobiles and planes," Swiss economic analyst M.T. Taanke told Weekly World News in an exclusive interview. "But the end really began 70 years ago when lawn-mowers and then bigger lawnmowers started running on oil, when mechanical plows replaced ox teams, when cars and aircraft got bigger. The oil companies encouraged these developments, fueling their own hastened demise. "Remember the gas crisis of the 1970s?" M.T. Taanke asked. "That did severe damage to the bottom line of every industry on earth. It even hastened the end of the LP since records were made of vinyl -- a petroleum product. But while we knew we were being gouged, that there would be long lines at the pump, we also knew the drought would end. We weren't heading for an apocalyptic "Planet of the Apes" future. "Not this time." The GULP Report states that a global depression will be devastating beyond belief. ALL GAS STATIONS WILL BE RATIONING! "What Weekly World News boldly described in its June 6 edition will only be the start," said Wall Street economist Allan Redbridge. "By the early fall gas stations around the world will be rationing gas. Then, one by one, they will shutter their pumps forever. "Riots will erupt in the streets of the oil producing nations," Redbridge went on. "Forget wars of ideology. People will be fighting for food and water. Millions will starve. "The makers of hybrid cars will begin churning out automobiles as fast as possible - but only one-in-thirty people will have the money to buy one. And their lives will be in danger from carjackers every time they go on the road. For most people, cars will be replaced by bicycles. But that's just the start. There will be no way get goods from plant or farm to the consumer. Cities and villages will become self-sufficient and ruled by mayors-turned-warlords. "Non-nuclear power stations will be forced to shut down," Redbridge went on. "Electricity will be rationed. There will be a rush on coal, but most people will have no heat in the winter and no air-conditioning in the summer. "All of this will happen by the first quarter of 2006. By the summer, civilization as we know it will have crumbled." "President Bush is numb when he isn't panic stricken," confided close advisor "KR." "His entire political agenda, including the war in Iraq, has been driven by favors to his Texas oil pals. Now what?" Hoping to keep his own buddies afloat, Vice President Dick Cheney and his team have begun crash programs for industrial firms like Halliburton to develop solar powered resources or hydrogen-based fuels (through their Hindenburg subsidiary). Weekly World News has also learned of - and is currently investigating - government plans for sail-driven cars. A few small, entrepreneurial firms - motivated by genuine concern, not profit - are working on smaller solutions. "We're building home windmills," said Skye Willow, CEO of Earth Friendly Stuff. "Coastal and mountain areas with access to wind will be able to generate clean power. Homes near rivers will be able to use our new watermills. "It's a long overdue return to basics," Ms. Willow chastened. "Unfortunately, our products are handmade so we can only produce one mill every two days. It'll take, like, 200 million days to produce one for everyone in America. Still, it's a start." "It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By this time next year we will be happy to have effective leadership of any kind, even apes." -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From wooster at coastalnet.com Sun Aug 21 21:46:29 2005 From: wooster at coastalnet.com (BENJAMIN F BARNES) Date: Sun Aug 21 20:37:27 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? Message-ID: <410-22005812204629765@coastalnet.com> This sounds like one of those space aliens speak to Clinton stories BB > [Original Message] > From: Everett Cox > To: > Date: 8/20/2005 11:12:58 AM > Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? > > WoW John I missed that. I just came back from checking one of my favorite > grease dumpsters and it was EMPTY! What am I going to do NoW? > > I think I will finish my coffee...and then PANIC! > Ev > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of John > Bonitz > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:44 PM > To: BIG > Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? > > This week's cover story in the Weekly World News: > > WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW: NO MORE OIL! > > TOP SECRET STUDY: WORLD SUPPLY WILL BE GONE IN SIX MONTHS. > > * ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE! > * MILLIONS WILL STARVE! > * DRY! DRY! DRY! > > WASHINGTON, D.C. - A secret report presented to President Bush from > his friends in the oil industry contains a stunning revelation: > > The world's supply of oil will be completely used up in just six > months. The top-secret report - Globe Uses Last Petrol or GULP - > revealed that while there may be untapped reserves, they are shallow > and virtually inaccessible. > > "THE EARTH IS EFFECTIVELY DEAD!" > "The earth is effectively dry," agreed South American Oil chief Juan > V. Cruz. "When you visit our wells all you hear is a terrible gurgling > sound - like sipping a straw in an empty milk container." > > Head of the Middle Eastern Oil Consortium, Petra Jardeen, confided, > "We are accustomed to the relocation of oil reserves due to occasional > geologic shifts," she said. "But we have never encountered anything > like this. I am printing my resume as we speak." > > While the end of the road has come as a shock to some, others are not > surprised. > > "For more than a century, fossil fuels have kept civilization warm at > might and powered their automobiles and planes," Swiss economic > analyst M.T. Taanke told Weekly World News in an exclusive interview. > "But the end really began 70 years ago when lawn-mowers and then > bigger lawnmowers started running on oil, when mechanical plows > replaced ox teams, when cars and aircraft got bigger. The oil > companies encouraged these developments, fueling their own hastened > demise. > > "Remember the gas crisis of the 1970s?" M.T. Taanke asked. "That did > severe damage to the bottom line of every industry on earth. It even > hastened the end of the LP since records were made of vinyl -- a > petroleum product. But while we knew we were being gouged, that there > would be long lines at the pump, we also knew the drought would end. > We weren't heading for an apocalyptic "Planet of the Apes" future. > > "Not this time." > > The GULP Report states that a global depression will be devastating > beyond belief. > > ALL GAS STATIONS WILL BE RATIONING! > "What Weekly World News boldly described in its June 6 edition will > only be the start," said Wall Street economist Allan Redbridge. > > "By the early fall gas stations around the world will be rationing > gas. Then, one by one, they will shutter their pumps forever. > > "Riots will erupt in the streets of the oil producing nations," > Redbridge went on. "Forget wars of ideology. People will be fighting > for food and water. Millions will starve. > > "The makers of hybrid cars will begin churning out automobiles as fast > as possible - but only one-in-thirty people will have the money to buy > one. And their lives will be in danger from carjackers every time they > go on the road. For most people, cars will be replaced by bicycles. > But that's just the start. There will be no way get goods from plant > or farm to the consumer. Cities and villages will become > self-sufficient and ruled by mayors-turned-warlords. > > "Non-nuclear power stations will be forced to shut down," Redbridge > went on. "Electricity will be rationed. There will be a rush on coal, > but most people will have no heat in the winter and no > air-conditioning in the summer. > > "All of this will happen by the first quarter of 2006. By the summer, > civilization as we know it will have crumbled." > > "President Bush is numb when he isn't panic stricken," confided close > advisor "KR." > "His entire political agenda, including the war in Iraq, has been > driven by favors to his Texas oil pals. Now what?" > > Hoping to keep his own buddies afloat, Vice President Dick Cheney and > his team have begun crash programs for industrial firms like > Halliburton to develop solar powered resources or hydrogen-based fuels > (through their Hindenburg subsidiary). > > Weekly World News has also learned of - and is currently investigating > - government plans for sail-driven cars. > > A few small, entrepreneurial firms - motivated by genuine concern, not > profit - are working on smaller solutions. > > "We're building home windmills," said Skye Willow, CEO of Earth > Friendly Stuff. "Coastal and mountain areas with access to wind will > be able to generate clean power. Homes near rivers will be able to use > our new watermills. > > "It's a long overdue return to basics," Ms. Willow chastened. > "Unfortunately, our products are handmade so we can only produce one > mill every two days. It'll take, like, 200 million days to produce one > for everyone in America. Still, it's a start." > > "It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By this time next year we > will be happy to have effective leadership of any kind, even apes." > > > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Aug 21 23:38:52 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sun Aug 21 22:29:55 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Diesel Class at CCCC Starts this Tuesday! Message-ID: <00F396FE-3505-4223-9CBF-8F55D59340FE@blast.com> Hey everyone! Just a reminder that the Diesel Technology class under the Biofuels Certificate Program at Central Carolina Community College starts this week! If you are a new diesel vehicle owner or are thinking about buying a diesel for biofuels use, this class is essential and fun! Topics discussed last year: Injection pumps, basic diesel operation, ACERT Technology from Caterpillar, Fuel line compatibility, SVO conversions, basic maintenance, and more! For more information or registration call Ramona at (919) 542-6495 ext. 223. Diesel Technology for Renewables Taught by: Johnny Frye Start date: August 23, 2005 thru October 11, 2005 Class is held Tuesday evenings from 6-9 PM at Central Carolina Community College in Pittsboro, NC From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Aug 21 23:54:17 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sun Aug 21 22:45:27 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Come to the SEE Expo August 26th-28th! Message-ID: <395495A2-936E-47C9-9573-C8905A5B0A46@blast.com> North Carolina Continues to Lead Biofuels Movement Biodiesel fuel, a clean-burning, renewable, domestically produced alternative to fossil diesel fuel, is scheduled to have a strong presence at the 2005 Southern Energy and Environment (SEE) Expo. Two of North Carolina's most active and established grassroots biofuels co-operatives, Blue Ridge Biofuels from Asheville and Piedmont Biofuels from Pittsboro, are appearing on behalf of the fuel. The SEE Expo is a vibrant regional gathering of individuals and groups concerned about the urgent and important problem of energy dependence. Piedmont Biofuels will be leading three presentations throughout the renewable energy weekend. Lyle Estill, one of the co-founders of Piedmont Biofuels, is giving a free talk entitled "Biofuels and the Renewable Economy." He will explore the multiple dangers of America's reliance on depletable imported fossil fuels, and explain the role of biofuels and other alternative sources of energy in our energy future. Leif Forer and Rachel Burton, the other co-founders of Piedmont Biofuels, will be leading a four-hour workshop on biofuels production. It will showcase a mobile biodiesel production trailer funded by the North Carolina State Energy office. This workshop will cover basic chemistry of biodiesel, small scale production, handling and use issues, and an overview of maintaining your vehicle with biodiesel. Overall, this training will serve as an introduction to the biodiesel production process and will inform participants how they can meet their own fuel needs. Blue Ridge Biofuels, based in Asheville, will be at the expo this year. Representatives from Blue Ridge will be giving a presentation on the local western North Carolina biofuels movement and industry. Blue Ridge Biofuels will be selling discount biodiesel onsite for $3.00 per gallon from their new biodiesel delivery truck. So, come fill up and drive home feeling a little better about your planetary impact. The Southern Energy and Environment Expo is being held at the Western N.C. Agricultural Center in Fletcher, N.C. on August 26th-28th. The event focuses on environmental responsibility, renewable energy, and sustainable economics. Admission is $7/day. Visit http://www.seeexpo.com for more details From wenck at unc.edu Mon Aug 22 09:12:41 2005 From: wenck at unc.edu (Wendy Wenck) Date: Mon Aug 22 08:03:55 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Free auxilliary diesel tank In-Reply-To: <4309278D.3050508@worldnet.att.net> References: <4309278D.3050508@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <4309C139.6030302@unc.edu> A friend of mine is moving and wants to give away a spare diesel tank (see below) if anyone can use it. Ideally within the next week or so whenever he next has the vehicle in the RDU area-- tank is currently in the back of his truck and he needs the space. If you have questions about the tank you can e-mail Gil at gilpipkins@worldnet.att.net Wendy Gil Pipkins wrote: > Axillary Diesel fuel tank for full sized pickup. 50 Gal with 12 vdc > level sensor. Transfer valve and gage available. From john.bonitz at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 07:53:48 2005 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Mon Aug 22 09:44:42 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20050821165231.01b08e80@pop.netzero.net> References: <84a57a4205081920313c71c8bc@mail.gmail.com> <84a57a4205081920441a706f02@mail.gmail.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20050821165231.01b08e80@pop.netzero.net> Message-ID: <84a57a4205082206532fee31e9@mail.gmail.com> On 8/21/05, Denton wrote: > John, > > Do you also subscribe to the National Enquirer magazine? Yes, the world's > supply of oil is non-renewable, and yes, someday we will run out, but this > story is irresponsible. I really expect more from the Biofuels group. > > Denton > > >"It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By this time next year we > >will be happy to have effective leadership of any kind, even apes." -- > > Dear Denton and fellow biofuelers, Apparently it was not obivous, but the article was tongue in cheek humor. "M.T. Taanke," get it? "Skye Willow, CEO of Earth Friendy Stuff"? Perhaps the humor doesn't convey properly without the ridiculously HUGE headlines and hilarious photoshopped illustrations of hundreds of unemployed men standing round an oil derrick. Perhaps it also helps to see the other articles in the same issue, including the one about the "RAT-GIRL! Half rat, half human, raised in the wild!" When I saw it in the grocery aisle, I laughed out loud (in public). When I took it home I laughed even harder. Everyone I showed it to laughed, too. So I scanned it into my computer, put it through my optical-text-recognition software, and shared the article with my friends. regards, John -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC P.S. I tend to steer away from the National Enquirer. They take themselves too seriously. From skepticbill at aol.com Mon Aug 22 12:14:49 2005 From: skepticbill at aol.com (Bill O'Luanaigh) Date: Mon Aug 22 11:05:56 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? In-Reply-To: <84a57a4205082206532fee31e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: John, At the risk of adding fuel (renewable of course) to the fire here I really appreciated your posting the Weekly World News piece. It was obvious that the story was ridiculous and it made me laugh too. Frankly we need to do more laughing cause the other option is to become paralyzed. Running out of oil is scary - running out of humor is probably worse. I'll take my Apocalypse with a Bat Boy/Rat Girl chaser! -Bill- On 8/22/05 9:53 AM, "John Bonitz" wrote: > On 8/21/05, Denton wrote: >> John, >> >> Do you also subscribe to the National Enquirer magazine? Yes, the world's >> supply of oil is non-renewable, and yes, someday we will run out, but this >> story is irresponsible. I really expect more from the Biofuels group. >> >> Denton >> >>> "It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By this time next year we >>> will be happy to have effective leadership of any kind, even apes." -- >>> > > > Dear Denton and fellow biofuelers, > > Apparently it was not obivous, but the article was tongue in cheek > humor. "M.T. Taanke," get it? "Skye Willow, CEO of Earth Friendy > Stuff"? > > Perhaps the humor doesn't convey properly without the ridiculously > HUGE headlines and hilarious photoshopped illustrations of hundreds of > unemployed men standing round an oil derrick. Perhaps it also helps > to see the other articles in the same issue, including the one about > the "RAT-GIRL! Half rat, half human, raised in the wild!" > > When I saw it in the grocery aisle, I laughed out loud (in public). > When I took it home I laughed even harder. Everyone I showed it to > laughed, too. So I scanned it into my computer, put it through my > optical-text-recognition software, and shared the article with my > friends. > > regards, > > John From efcox at charter.net Mon Aug 22 20:08:54 2005 From: efcox at charter.net (Everett Cox) Date: Mon Aug 22 18:59:47 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? In-Reply-To: <84a57a4205082206532fee31e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c5a76e$7ad90010$f9f1b518@CoxNC3809976> Hi yall Well, I was serious about my favorite grease dumpster being empty...who moved my cheese? Hope to see some of you at the diesel tech class tomorrow evening. Ev -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of John Bonitz Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:54 AM To: Denton; BIG Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? On 8/21/05, Denton wrote: > John, > > Do you also subscribe to the National Enquirer magazine? Yes, the world's > supply of oil is non-renewable, and yes, someday we will run out, but this > story is irresponsible. I really expect more from the Biofuels group. > > Denton > > >"It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By this time next year we > >will be happy to have effective leadership of any kind, even apes." -- > > Dear Denton and fellow biofuelers, Apparently it was not obivous, but the article was tongue in cheek humor. "M.T. Taanke," get it? "Skye Willow, CEO of Earth Friendy Stuff"? Perhaps the humor doesn't convey properly without the ridiculously HUGE headlines and hilarious photoshopped illustrations of hundreds of unemployed men standing round an oil derrick. Perhaps it also helps to see the other articles in the same issue, including the one about the "RAT-GIRL! Half rat, half human, raised in the wild!" When I saw it in the grocery aisle, I laughed out loud (in public). When I took it home I laughed even harder. Everyone I showed it to laughed, too. So I scanned it into my computer, put it through my optical-text-recognition software, and shared the article with my friends. regards, John -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC P.S. I tend to steer away from the National Enquirer. They take themselves too seriously. _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wenck at unc.edu Tue Aug 23 09:30:41 2005 From: wenck at unc.edu (Wendy Wenck) Date: Tue Aug 23 08:31:48 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Free auxilliary diesel tank In-Reply-To: <4309C139.6030302@unc.edu> References: <4309278D.3050508@worldnet.att.net> <4309C139.6030302@unc.edu> Message-ID: <430B16F1.8060302@unc.edu> Happy news-- my friend says his tank will shortly be going to its new owner. He was surprised to have 5 people contact him already about the tank (he had wondered if he should just junk it!) At this point he's asking me to pass the word to the list that it's taken. Thanks, Wendy Wendy Wenck wrote: > A friend of mine is moving and wants to give away a spare diesel tank > (see below) if anyone can use it. Ideally within the next week or so > whenever he next has the vehicle in the RDU area-- tank is currently > in the back of his truck and he needs the space. > If you have questions about the tank you can e-mail Gil at > gilpipkins@worldnet.att.net > Wendy > > Gil Pipkins wrote: > >> Axillary Diesel fuel tank for full sized pickup. 50 Gal with 12 vdc >> level sensor. Transfer valve and gage available. > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Aug 23 11:39:41 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Aug 23 10:39:25 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Charlotte Area Transit System Acquires New Hybrid Buses Message-ID: <29737FF1-F693-4284-9842-A0BDE5D26F06@blast.com> Charlotte Area Transit System Acquires New Hybrid Buses North Carolina's Charlotte Area Transit System (CATS) introduced late last week two new hybrid electric buses, which began operating as part of the transit system fleet on Monday. "Helping to improve the area's air quality has always been an important issue to CATS," said CATS chief executive officer Ron Tober. "The addition of the hybrid electric buses is a continuation of our ongoing efforts. With these buses, we are setting the standard for creating fuel-efficient, environmentally friendly bus fleets throughout the state of North Carolina." According to CATS, the hybrid propulsion systems in the new buses were built by General Motors in Indianapolis, IN. The buses were manufactured by Gillig Corporation. CATS noted that transit system customers will ride for free this entire week when one of the new hybrid buses is used on their route. Contact: CATS, website http://www.charmeck.org/departments/CATS/home.htm. (EIN STAFF: 8/12) = = = = = = = From dpwoolcock at yahoo.com Tue Aug 23 10:16:23 2005 From: dpwoolcock at yahoo.com (douglas woolcock) Date: Tue Aug 23 12:16:18 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? In-Reply-To: <000401c5a76e$7ad90010$f9f1b518@CoxNC3809976> Message-ID: <20050823161623.45223.qmail@web52014.mail.yahoo.com> John, I too once bought a Nation Enquirer. Seeing it in my house made me laugh a lot. It also made me feel better that maybe, just maybe, people buy it just for a laugh, though Im not 100% sure about that. Douglas --- Everett Cox wrote: > Hi yall > > Well, I was serious about my favorite grease > dumpster being empty...who > moved my cheese? > > Hope to see some of you at the diesel tech class > tomorrow evening. > > Ev > > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] > On Behalf Of John > Bonitz > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:54 AM > To: Denton; BIG > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the > Weekly World News??? > > On 8/21/05, Denton wrote: > > John, > > > > Do you also subscribe to the National Enquirer > magazine? Yes, the world's > > supply of oil is non-renewable, and yes, someday > we will run out, but this > > story is irresponsible. I really expect more > from the Biofuels group. > > > > Denton > > > > >"It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By > this time next year we > > >will be happy to have effective leadership of any > kind, even apes." -- > > > > > > Dear Denton and fellow biofuelers, > > Apparently it was not obivous, but the article was > tongue in cheek > humor. "M.T. Taanke," get it? "Skye Willow, CEO of > Earth Friendy > Stuff"? > > Perhaps the humor doesn't convey properly without > the ridiculously > HUGE headlines and hilarious photoshopped > illustrations of hundreds of > unemployed men standing round an oil derrick. > Perhaps it also helps > to see the other articles in the same issue, > including the one about > the "RAT-GIRL! Half rat, half human, raised in the > wild!" > > When I saw it in the grocery aisle, I laughed out > loud (in public). > When I took it home I laughed even harder. Everyone > I showed it to > laughed, too. So I scanned it into my computer, put > it through my > optical-text-recognition software, and shared the > article with my > friends. > > regards, > > John > > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > > P.S. > I tend to steer away from the National Enquirer. > They take themselves > too seriously. > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From melissa_bell at ncsu.edu Tue Aug 23 15:20:52 2005 From: melissa_bell at ncsu.edu (Melissa Bell) Date: Tue Aug 23 14:20:48 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? Message-ID: that's why the Onion is my homepage. every little bit helps in today's world. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of douglas woolcock Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:16 PM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? John, I too once bought a Nation Enquirer. Seeing it in my house made me laugh a lot. It also made me feel better that maybe, just maybe, people buy it just for a laugh, though Im not 100% sure about that. Douglas --- Everett Cox wrote: > Hi yall > > Well, I was serious about my favorite grease dumpster being > empty...who moved my cheese? > > Hope to see some of you at the diesel tech class tomorrow evening. > > Ev > > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] > On Behalf Of John > Bonitz > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:54 AM > To: Denton; BIG > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World > News??? > > On 8/21/05, Denton wrote: > > John, > > > > Do you also subscribe to the National Enquirer > magazine? Yes, the world's > > supply of oil is non-renewable, and yes, someday > we will run out, but this > > story is irresponsible. I really expect more > from the Biofuels group. > > > > Denton > > > > >"It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By > this time next year we > > >will be happy to have effective leadership of any > kind, even apes." -- > > > > > > Dear Denton and fellow biofuelers, > > Apparently it was not obivous, but the article was tongue in cheek > humor. "M.T. Taanke," get it? "Skye Willow, CEO of Earth Friendy > Stuff"? > > Perhaps the humor doesn't convey properly without the ridiculously > HUGE headlines and hilarious photoshopped illustrations of hundreds of > unemployed men standing round an oil derrick. > Perhaps it also helps > to see the other articles in the same issue, including the one about > the "RAT-GIRL! Half rat, half human, raised in the wild!" > > When I saw it in the grocery aisle, I laughed out loud (in public). > When I took it home I laughed even harder. Everyone I showed it to > laughed, too. So I scanned it into my computer, put it through my > optical-text-recognition software, and shared the article with my > friends. > > regards, > > John > > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > > P.S. > I tend to steer away from the National Enquirer. > They take themselves > too seriously. > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wfkawa at msn.com Tue Aug 23 15:40:51 2005 From: wfkawa at msn.com (Bill KAWA) Date: Tue Aug 23 14:40:46 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Guilford Tech to offer biodiesel classes. In-Reply-To: <29737FF1-F693-4284-9842-A0BDE5D26F06@blast.com> Message-ID: http://technet.gtcc.cc.nc.us/ http://www.fox8wghp.com/news/ From mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu Tue Aug 23 13:21:05 2005 From: mambrose at alumni.princeton.edu (Mark J Ambrose) Date: Tue Aug 23 15:21:01 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: Guilford Tech to offer biodiesel classes. Message-ID: <20050823192105.9660.fh038.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> OK. Now can anyone tell me how to actually FIND the info on the bioddiesel class? My pet peeve with the community college websites is that unless you know whether a course is for credit or not and what curriculum it is under, it is very difficult to find it. -- Mark "Bill KAWA" Sent by: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net 08/23/2005 02:40 PM To:Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Guilford Tech to offer biodiesel classes. http://technet.gtcc.cc.nc.us/ http://www.fox8wghp.com/news/ ______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Aug 23 22:59:14 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Aug 23 21:58:54 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] SVO (straight vegetable oil) emissions Message-ID: Hey folks! It seems like the requests for information on SVO emissions are increasing. Here are many links on the subject some from journeytoforever and others from vegburner. There maybe some overlap. Hope this is helpful. -Rachel http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/svobib.html Compiled by Wolfgang Rougle from the 55-page bibliography of the Iowa State biodiesel course. This larger bibliography covers all research aspects of biodiesel and some non-emissions aspects of SVO, and may be useful to you. It can be found at: http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/Bibliography/bibliography.html OR from : http://www.vegburner.co.uk/links.html SVO related technical papers http://acta.chem-soc.si/45/45-1-69.pdf Research paper investigating the relationship between veg oil viscosity/temperature http://bengal.missouri.edu/~pavt0689/ Review_Utilization_of_Rapeseed_Oil.pdf Research paper investigating emissions from burning vegetable oil in diesel engines(long download time) http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ro_rev.html Above reformatted as html - much quicker download http://ss.jircas.affrc.go.jp/engpage/jarq/33-2/Togashi/togashi.html Japanese research paper looking into running unheated oil in diesel engines http://www.regional.org.au/au/gcirc/6/214.htm Irish research paper looking at different grades of unheated rapeseed oil in diesel engines http://www.nf-2000.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm Detailed report from European SVO research project by Advanced Combustion Research for Energy from Vegetable Oils (ACREVO). http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm "Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel Replacement Fuel" by Phillip Calais, Environmental Science, Murdoch University, Perth, Australia, and A.R. (Tony) Clark, Western Australian Renewable Fuels Association Inc. http://www.univ-orleans.fr/ESEM/LME/Commun/Doc/pdf/21Resume1.pdf University of Orleans ?Using sunflower oil as a Diesel fuel in a DI engine? ? Insulating the piston to reduce deposit formation http://www.geocities.com/ublatz/TDI-Probleme.htm German study of running Tdi engines on vegetable oil. http://www.biofuels.ca/ebeggsthesis.pdf "Renewable Oil Fuels and Engines as Components of Sustainable System Design" by Ed Beggs http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html "Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines: Comparative Testing against Diesel Oil" by Gumpon Prateepchaikul and Teerawat Apichato http://www.jrc.es/pages/iptsreport/vol74/english/TRA1E746.htm "Unmodified Vegetable Oil as an Automotive Fuel" Report examining SVO. Written at the request of the European Commission http://www.ryanarmstrong.net/ "AUTOMOTIVE SVO CONVERSION" Report on academic project - " The primary motivation for this project is to explore the use of Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) as an alternative fuel source for compression combustion engines" From handj at tds.net Wed Aug 24 08:11:54 2005 From: handj at tds.net (jack berry) Date: Wed Aug 24 08:11:57 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <20050823192106.4EFC7C6751@mail2.blast.com> Message-ID: <20050824121154.BMAV405.outaamta01.mail.tds.net@jacklaptop> Here is a link, provided by girl mark on the frybrid forum, for links to biodiesel everything. Enjoy. http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/onlineresources this has been a great read and I wish I could be down there to take part. I am trying to get this same enthusiasm up here in wisc. Jack berry ========================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:21 PM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8 Send Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list submissions to biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to biofuels_interest_group-request@lists.emji.net You can reach the person managing the list at biofuels_interest_group-owner@lists.emji.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Biofuels_Interest_Group digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Didja see the Weekly World News??? (Bill O'Luanaigh) 2. RE: Didja see the Weekly World News??? (Everett Cox) 3. Re: Free auxilliary diesel tank (Wendy Wenck) 4. Charlotte Area Transit System Acquires New Hybrid Buses (Rachel Burton) 5. RE: Didja see the Weekly World News??? (douglas woolcock) 6. RE: Didja see the Weekly World News??? (Melissa Bell) 7. Guilford Tech to offer biodiesel classes. (Bill KAWA) 8. RE: Guilford Tech to offer biodiesel classes. (Mark J Ambrose) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:14:49 -0400 From: "Bill O'Luanaigh" To: John Bonitz , Denton , BIG Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <84a57a4205082206532fee31e9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 John, At the risk of adding fuel (renewable of course) to the fire here I really appreciated your posting the Weekly World News piece. It was obvious that the story was ridiculous and it made me laugh too. Frankly we need to do more laughing cause the other option is to become paralyzed. Running out of oil is scary - running out of humor is probably worse. I'll take my Apocalypse with a Bat Boy/Rat Girl chaser! -Bill- On 8/22/05 9:53 AM, "John Bonitz" wrote: > On 8/21/05, Denton wrote: >> John, >> >> Do you also subscribe to the National Enquirer magazine? Yes, the world's >> supply of oil is non-renewable, and yes, someday we will run out, but this >> story is irresponsible. I really expect more from the Biofuels group. >> >> Denton >> >>> "It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By this time next year we >>> will be happy to have effective leadership of any kind, even apes." -- >>> > > > Dear Denton and fellow biofuelers, > > Apparently it was not obivous, but the article was tongue in cheek > humor. "M.T. Taanke," get it? "Skye Willow, CEO of Earth Friendy > Stuff"? > > Perhaps the humor doesn't convey properly without the ridiculously > HUGE headlines and hilarious photoshopped illustrations of hundreds of > unemployed men standing round an oil derrick. Perhaps it also helps > to see the other articles in the same issue, including the one about > the "RAT-GIRL! Half rat, half human, raised in the wild!" > > When I saw it in the grocery aisle, I laughed out loud (in public). > When I took it home I laughed even harder. Everyone I showed it to > laughed, too. So I scanned it into my computer, put it through my > optical-text-recognition software, and shared the article with my > friends. > > regards, > > John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:08:54 -0400 From: "Everett Cox" To: Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? Message-ID: <000401c5a76e$7ad90010$f9f1b518@CoxNC3809976> In-Reply-To: <84a57a4205082206532fee31e9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 Hi yall Well, I was serious about my favorite grease dumpster being empty...who moved my cheese? Hope to see some of you at the diesel tech class tomorrow evening. =20 Ev -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of = John Bonitz Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:54 AM To: Denton; BIG Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World = News??? On 8/21/05, Denton wrote: > John, >=20 > Do you also subscribe to the National Enquirer magazine? Yes, the = world's > supply of oil is non-renewable, and yes, someday we will run out, but = this > story is irresponsible. I really expect more from the Biofuels = group. >=20 > Denton >=20 > >"It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By this time next year = we > >will be happy to have effective leadership of any kind, even apes." = -- > > Dear Denton and fellow biofuelers, Apparently it was not obivous, but the article was tongue in cheek humor. "M.T. Taanke," get it? "Skye Willow, CEO of Earth Friendy Stuff"? Perhaps the humor doesn't convey properly without the ridiculously HUGE headlines and hilarious photoshopped illustrations of hundreds of unemployed men standing round an oil derrick. Perhaps it also helps to see the other articles in the same issue, including the one about the "RAT-GIRL! Half rat, half human, raised in the wild!" When I saw it in the grocery aisle, I laughed out loud (in public).=20 When I took it home I laughed even harder. Everyone I showed it to laughed, too. So I scanned it into my computer, put it through my optical-text-recognition software, and shared the article with my friends. regards, John=20 --=20 John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC P.S. I tend to steer away from the National Enquirer. They take themselves too seriously. _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:30:41 -0400 From: Wendy Wenck Cc: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Free auxilliary diesel tank Message-ID: <430B16F1.8060302@unc.edu> In-Reply-To: <4309C139.6030302@unc.edu> References: <4309278D.3050508@worldnet.att.net> <4309C139.6030302@unc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Reply-To: wenck@unc.edu Message: 3 Happy news-- my friend says his tank will shortly be going to its new owner. He was surprised to have 5 people contact him already about the tank (he had wondered if he should just junk it!) At this point he's asking me to pass the word to the list that it's taken. Thanks, Wendy Wendy Wenck wrote: > A friend of mine is moving and wants to give away a spare diesel tank > (see below) if anyone can use it. Ideally within the next week or so > whenever he next has the vehicle in the RDU area-- tank is currently > in the back of his truck and he needs the space. > If you have questions about the tank you can e-mail Gil at > gilpipkins@worldnet.att.net > Wendy > > Gil Pipkins wrote: > >> Axillary Diesel fuel tank for full sized pickup. 50 Gal with 12 vdc >> level sensor. Transfer valve and gage available. > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:39:41 -0400 From: Rachel Burton To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Charlotte Area Transit System Acquires New Hybrid Buses Message-ID: <29737FF1-F693-4284-9842-A0BDE5D26F06@blast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Charlotte Area Transit System Acquires New Hybrid Buses North Carolina's Charlotte Area Transit System (CATS) introduced late last week two new hybrid electric buses, which began operating as part of the transit system fleet on Monday. "Helping to improve the area's air quality has always been an important issue to CATS," said CATS chief executive officer Ron Tober. "The addition of the hybrid electric buses is a continuation of our ongoing efforts. With these buses, we are setting the standard for creating fuel-efficient, environmentally friendly bus fleets throughout the state of North Carolina." According to CATS, the hybrid propulsion systems in the new buses were built by General Motors in Indianapolis, IN. The buses were manufactured by Gillig Corporation. CATS noted that transit system customers will ride for free this entire week when one of the new hybrid buses is used on their route. Contact: CATS, website http://www.charmeck.org/departments/CATS/home.htm. (EIN STAFF: 8/12) = = = = = = = ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: douglas woolcock To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? Message-ID: <20050823161623.45223.qmail@web52014.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000401c5a76e$7ad90010$f9f1b518@CoxNC3809976> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 5 John, I too once bought a Nation Enquirer. Seeing it in my house made me laugh a lot. It also made me feel better that maybe, just maybe, people buy it just for a laugh, though Im not 100% sure about that. Douglas --- Everett Cox wrote: > Hi yall > > Well, I was serious about my favorite grease > dumpster being empty...who > moved my cheese? > > Hope to see some of you at the diesel tech class > tomorrow evening. > > Ev > > > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] > On Behalf Of John > Bonitz > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:54 AM > To: Denton; BIG > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the > Weekly World News??? > > On 8/21/05, Denton wrote: > > John, > > > > Do you also subscribe to the National Enquirer > magazine? Yes, the world's > > supply of oil is non-renewable, and yes, someday > we will run out, but this > > story is irresponsible. I really expect more > from the Biofuels group. > > > > Denton > > > > >"It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By > this time next year we > > >will be happy to have effective leadership of any > kind, even apes." -- > > > > > > Dear Denton and fellow biofuelers, > > Apparently it was not obivous, but the article was > tongue in cheek > humor. "M.T. Taanke," get it? "Skye Willow, CEO of > Earth Friendy > Stuff"? > > Perhaps the humor doesn't convey properly without > the ridiculously > HUGE headlines and hilarious photoshopped > illustrations of hundreds of > unemployed men standing round an oil derrick. > Perhaps it also helps > to see the other articles in the same issue, > including the one about > the "RAT-GIRL! Half rat, half human, raised in the > wild!" > > When I saw it in the grocery aisle, I laughed out > loud (in public). > When I took it home I laughed even harder. Everyone > I showed it to > laughed, too. So I scanned it into my computer, put > it through my > optical-text-recognition software, and shared the > article with my > friends. > > regards, > > John > > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC > > P.S. > I tend to steer away from the National Enquirer. > They take themselves > too seriously. > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:20:52 -0400 From: "Melissa Bell" To: "douglas woolcock" , Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 that's why the Onion is my homepage. every little bit helps in today's world.=20 -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of douglas woolcock Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:16 PM To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: RE: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World News??? John, I too once bought a Nation Enquirer. Seeing it in my house made me laugh a lot. It also made me feel better that maybe, just maybe, people buy it just for a laugh, though Im not 100% sure about that. =20 Douglas --- Everett Cox wrote: > Hi yall >=20 > Well, I was serious about my favorite grease dumpster being=20 > empty...who moved my cheese? >=20 > Hope to see some of you at the diesel tech class tomorrow evening. >=20 > Ev >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net > [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] > On Behalf Of John > Bonitz > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:54 AM > To: Denton; BIG > Subject: Re: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Didja see the Weekly World=20 > News??? >=20 > On 8/21/05, Denton wrote: > > John, > >=20 > > Do you also subscribe to the National Enquirer > magazine? Yes, the world's > > supply of oil is non-renewable, and yes, someday > we will run out, but this > > story is irresponsible. I really expect more > from the Biofuels group. > >=20 > > Denton > >=20 > > >"It's going to get ugly," Taanke concluded. "By > this time next year we > > >will be happy to have effective leadership of any > kind, even apes." -- > > > >=20 >=20 > Dear Denton and fellow biofuelers, >=20 > Apparently it was not obivous, but the article was tongue in cheek=20 > humor. "M.T. Taanke," get it? "Skye Willow, CEO of Earth Friendy=20 > Stuff"? >=20 > Perhaps the humor doesn't convey properly without the ridiculously=20 > HUGE headlines and hilarious photoshopped illustrations of hundreds of > unemployed men standing round an oil derrick. > Perhaps it also helps > to see the other articles in the same issue, including the one about=20 > the "RAT-GIRL! Half rat, half human, raised in the wild!" >=20 > When I saw it in the grocery aisle, I laughed out loud (in public). > When I took it home I laughed even harder. Everyone I showed it to=20 > laughed, too. So I scanned it into my computer, put it through my=20 > optical-text-recognition software, and shared the article with my=20 > friends. >=20 > regards, >=20 > John >=20 > -- > John Bonitz > Silk Hope, NC >=20 > P.S. > I tend to steer away from the National Enquirer.=20 > They take themselves > too seriously. > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:40:51 -0400 From: "Bill KAWA" To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Guilford Tech to offer biodiesel classes. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29737FF1-F693-4284-9842-A0BDE5D26F06@blast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 http://technet.gtcc.cc.nc.us/ http://www.fox8wghp.com/news/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark J Ambrose" To: Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] RE: Guilford Tech to offer biodiesel classes. Message-ID: <20050823192105.9660.fh038.wm@smtp.sc0.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 OK. Now can anyone tell me how to actually FIND the info on the bioddiesel class? My pet peeve with the community college websites is that unless you know whether a course is for credit or not and what curriculum it is under, it is very difficult to find it. -- Mark "Bill KAWA" Sent by: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net 08/23/2005 02:40 PM To:Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Guilford Tech to offer biodiesel classes. http://technet.gtcc.cc.nc.us/ http://www.fox8wghp.com/news/ ______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group End of Biofuels_Interest_Group Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8 ***************************************************** From natureinspiredhuman at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 22:41:08 2005 From: natureinspiredhuman at yahoo.com (David Prins) Date: Thu Aug 25 00:40:59 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] New Interest; Experienced input Message-ID: <20050825044108.89620.qmail@web61113.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings bio-fuelers! I'm ready to replace my gas VW Jetta and want to go diesel for biodiesel and SVO. I'd love to talk/e-mail with someone who has been through the process, and would appreciate any other input. Please respond to: natureinspiredhuman@yahoo.com. David Prins Cary, NC. From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Aug 25 08:57:22 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Aug 25 12:30:16 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: Veggie Powered Truck for Sale References: <20050824.021016.964698269.live@ezinedirector.net> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: > Date: August 24, 2005 3:10:18 PM EDT > To: wrenchwench@blast.com > Subject: Veggie Powered Truck for Sale > Reply-To: > > > > Well,.. I think I will go ahead and post this, as I found a good > deal on a larger truck. > > 1994 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel 4x4 > Aprox. 160k miles > White, standard Cab, standard bed. > I replaced the 5 speed manual transmission less than 6 months ago > with a ManTrans rebuilt. > I replaced all 4 tires last week. > Truck has "5th wheel" hitch in bed for gooseneck trailer. > This truck is Vegoil converted with a 50 gallon heated vegoil tank > mounted in truckbox in bed. > Good AC > Good interor (no rips) > > The truck could use some TLC with regards to cosmetics...I got hit > by an 18 wheeler tire tread and it ripped off the driverside > running board, banged up the front fender, ripped off the two > plastic strips on front bumper (but the chrome bumper is still > perfect). Could use paint, and the bed is a bit greasy from hauling > vegoil. > > The truck runs great, and the only reason I am selling is to get a > truck with more weight capacity for hauling more WVO! > > If you are wanting if for oil hauling, I will throw in a 275 gallon > tote (what I use now)..fits in the bed great. > > Asking $10,500.00 > Pictures to be posted to www.atlantabiofuels.org in the Vehicles > for Sale section. > -Rob > (404) 219 9709 > > > Change Subscription: > http://ezinedirector.com/subscriber/member_profile/?skid=22076666 > > Cancel Subscription: > http://sub.ezinedirector.net/?fa=r&id=22076666&c=964698269 > From wrenchwench at blast.com Thu Aug 25 08:58:43 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Thu Aug 25 13:22:46 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] New Citric Acid-Based Polymers for Agricultural Applications References: Message-ID: > > STORY LEAD: > New Citric Acid-Based Polymers for Agricultural Applications > ___________________________________________ > > ARS News Service > Agricultural Research Service, USDA > Sharon Durham, (301) 504-1611, sdurham@ars.usda.gov > August 24, 2005 > --View this report online, plus any included photos or other images, > at www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr > ___________________________________________ > > A biodiesel fuel byproduct called glycerol and an agricultural > commodity called citric acid can be chemically combined to produce > biodegradable polymers that could be used in produce packaging and > other products, according to Agricultural Research Service scientists. > > Justin Barone, a chemist at the ARS Environmental Quality Laboratory > in Beltsville, Md., made the discovery while studying processes for > improving the effectiveness of insecticides that contain citric acid > as an active ingredient. Citric acid washes away very quickly in the > environment, limiting its effectiveness. > > Barone found that molecules containing hydrogen and oxygen--such as > glycerol, sorbitol or polyethylene glycol--reacted with citric acid > to produce polymers with citric acid groups in them. The materials > formed are biodegradable polyesters. Further study showed that the > viscosity of the material can range from the consistency of paint to > a slow-to-dissolve, glasslike product, depending on how the chemical > reaction takes place. > > The new biodegradable polymers may provide the biodiesel industry > with a new use for glycerol, which is now disposed of after the > biodiesel is made. In addition, citric acid is used in the food > industry as a retardant to browning in cut fruits and vegetables. The > new citric acid-based polyesters may prove useful as a packaging > material. Studies are under way to determine whether the new polymers > would work as well as pure citric acid in these applications. > > ARS is the U.S. Department of Agriculture's chief scientific > research agency. > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ > biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > From stevenbaker at nc.rr.com Thu Aug 25 22:04:57 2005 From: stevenbaker at nc.rr.com (Steven Baker) Date: Thu Aug 25 21:05:24 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] biodiesel hardware Message-ID: Hi Guys: My son is doing a project at Chapel Hill HS to produce and promote biodiesel. He found a site on the web that was selling all the required equipment for around $3000. Is this a reasonable price? Can any of you give him guidance about how he might be able to get it cheaper? I have included his email on this, please include him in any responses. Thanks, Steve Baker 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. Chapel Hill, NC 27516 tel: (919) 960-5049 cell: (919) 593-7313 stevenbaker@nc.rr.com From richmason at mindspring.com Sat Aug 27 01:28:48 2005 From: richmason at mindspring.com (Rich Mason) Date: Sat Aug 27 00:28:37 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] FS: 1991 VW Jetta Diesel non-turbo $1500 obo Chapel Hill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all. Please help me sell my 1991 non-turbo diesel Jetta. It has a factory sunroof, working a/c, five-speed and a tilt wheel. Good bridgestone tires. All accessories work except for the aftermarket cruise control. New radiator (2 months ago). Brown with a tan front left fender. Has small dents in both rear corners. Slow second gear synchro in tranny that can be avoided with slow shifting. 40mpg highway, less around town on B99. Ran grease for 10k miles or so and I can put my homemade kit back on if someone wants a grease car. 230k miles, burns a quart of oil every 3000 miles or so. Starts well and runs well. I commute 120 miles a day in it. Not the prettiest Jetta in NC but biodiesel or grease gives you instant class... Rich Mason richmason@mindspring.com 336.442.4737 cell From wrenchwench at blast.com Sun Aug 28 00:29:27 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Sat Aug 27 23:29:15 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] SoyMor Delivers First Shipment of Biodiesel Message-ID: SoyMor Delivers First Shipment of Biodiesel Local Minnesota newspaper the Albert Lea Tribune reported last week that SoyMor, a cooperative of soybean farmers from southern Minnesota and northern Iowa, delivered a 4,000-gallon shipment of biodiesel to the Freeborn County Cooperative earlier this month, the cooperative's first biodiesel delivery since its production facility opened in June. The Tribune said the continuous flow, zero-discharge biodiesel plant employs 19 individuals and is expected to produce 25 million gallons of the cleaner-burning, soy-based alternative fuel this year. The newspaper noted that the facility is capable of producing up to 30 million gallons per year. According to the Tribune, SoyMor plans to ship its biodiesel products to locations in Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin and Illinois, including Chicago. (ALBERT LEA TRIBUNE: 8/19) From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Aug 29 14:46:30 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Aug 29 13:46:14 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Fwd: B-20 biodiesel at Liberty Truck Stop in Mt. Jackson, VA References: <13971192.1125329876032.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <099CD754-3841-4F85-B5AB-2D40F9CF180C@blast.com> > Holtzman Oil announced that B-20 biodiesel is now available at > their Liberty Truck Stop > in Mt. Jackson, VA exit 273 on I-81. 4 fuel islands at the truck > stop carry B20. From wrenchwench at blast.com Mon Aug 29 22:15:04 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Mon Aug 29 21:14:45 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Refueling America workshop reminder References: <01a001c5acd2$cf0443c0$1d00a8c0@tjcog.org> Message-ID: <0F33040D-2DEF-42E2-95BD-1C12D3B6EC4A@blast.com> > > REGISTER NOW!!!!! > Refueling America workshop and luncheon > > September 21, 2005 8:00-3:00 > > Jane S McKimmon Center, NC State University > > Registration is available on-line at www.trianglecleancities.org > or call 919-558-9400. > > Come learn about > > Biodiesel and ethanol applications and incentives > Hybrid vehicle technology > Engine idle reduction equipment and policies > Air Quality and transportation fuel alternatives > > > Luncheon Keynote Speaker - Paul Roberts, renowned author of The End > of Oil (www.the-end-of-oil.com) examines the history of energy > use, the current state of alternative transportation technologies, > steep oil prices and the effect of energy policy on national > security and foreign relations. > > > > Afternoon Ride-N-Drive gives you hands on experience with the > latest technologies. > > Who should attend? > > Elected officials > state and local economic and environmental managers > fleet managers > commercial fuel providers and truck operators > non profits organizations > educators and students > interested citizens > Registration is available on-line at www.trianglecleancities.org or > call 919-558-9400. > > Register by September 19 > > $35 workshop and luncheon > > $25 luncheon only > > $25 special price for both workshop and luncheon for commercial > fuel providers, truck drivers, fleet managers > > Registration after September 19 > > $40 workshop and luncheon > > $30 luncheon only (as room permits) > > Sponsorships and display opportunities available. For more > information call 919-513-7831 > > Sponsored by: > > Alternative Fuels Training Consortium/Wake Tech Community College > > American Lung Association of North Carolina > > NC Solar Center/NCSU > > State Energy Office > > Triangle Clean Cities Coalition/TJCOG > > Additional support from: > > National Biodiesel Board > > NC Biotechnology Center > > NC Department of Environment Natural Resource- Division of Air Quality > > Thomas Petroleum > > And others.... > > Refueling America workshop and luncheon is a part of Energy > Independence Days - a weeklong series of events, September 19-24, > that are providing sustainable solutions for North Carolina's > economy and environment. Learn more about all the Energy > Independence Days events atwww.continuingeducation.ncsu.edu/energy- > independence-days.htm > > > > Tobin L. Freid > Project Coordinator for Air and Energy > Triangle J Council of Governments > (919) 558-9400 > From cfholt at buncombe.main.nc.us Tue Aug 30 00:54:21 2005 From: cfholt at buncombe.main.nc.us (Cathy Holt) Date: Tue Aug 30 07:26:12 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] co-conspirators; used diesel passenger van References: <13971192.1125329876032.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <099CD754-3841-4F85-B5AB-2D40F9CF180C@blast.com> Message-ID: <007501c5ad16$817d85a0$a16dc0d1@CathyHolt> Hi everyone, I'm looking to purchase a used diesel passenger van in good condition, hopefully close to the Asheville, NC area. I'd like to run it on biodiesel as a supplement to Asheville's pitifully poor public transportation system, something between a cab and a free van, charging just enough to pay expenses and a little more. Anyone want to join me in this project, or know of a vehicle for sale? Thanks, Cathy Holt, 828-252-3054 From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Aug 30 16:54:52 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Aug 30 15:54:28 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] Pertamina to Produce Biodiesel From Jatropha Tree Message-ID: Pertamina to Produce Biodiesel From Jatropha Tree Indonesian state-owned oil company Pertamina recently announced that it will pursue a project aimed at producing biodiesel fuel from the Jatropha tree. The company will collaborate on the project with ITB and PT Rekayasa Industri. According to Pertamina, the project will proceed in three phases. Phase one will be a small-scale effort to produce 1,000 liter of biodiesel daily, while production will increase to 15,000 liters in phase two. The third phase will produce 100,000 tons of biodiesel per year on a 98,000-hectare Jatropha farm. Pertamina noted that prices for Jatropha biodiesel are expected to reach between 2,000 and 2,500 rupiah per liter (between 68 and 87 cents per gallon). Contact: Pertamina, website http://www.pertamina.com. (EIN STAFF: 8/18) From wrenchwench at blast.com Tue Aug 30 16:56:47 2005 From: wrenchwench at blast.com (Rachel Burton) Date: Tue Aug 30 15:56:25 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] CARB Chair Voices Objection to NHTSA CAFE Statements Message-ID: ARB Chair Voices Objection to NHTSA CAFE Statements California Air Resources Board (ARB) chair Cindy Tuck recently voiced objection to statements made by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) which assert that states do not have the authority to adopt motor vehicle standards that limit greenhouse gas emissions. "NHTSA's preamble statement is not binding on ARB and is simply wrong," said Tuck. "Congress gave California broad authority to adopt emission standards for motor vehicles when it passed the original Clean Air Act (CAA) in 1970 and it continued that authorization in the 1990 amendments. It has been understood for years that air quality regulations adopted by California might indirectly affect fuel economy, but the authority was granted nonetheless." According to ARB, California has stood firm in its assertion that the state's greenhouse gas regulation is not a Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standard but a pollution control standard that limits ozone-forming nitrogen dioxides and hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) as well as carbon dioxide. "Our greenhouse gas regulation is the centerpiece of Governor Schwarzenegger's work to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," said Tuck. "We will vigorously defend this regulation against unwarranted and misguided attacks." Tuck said ARB also has concerns about NHTSA's proposed CAFE standards for light trucks since they do not include the largest pickups and SUVs among the vehicle classes targeted for increased fuel economy standards. "While fuel economy is not our domain, we think the proposal must go further," said Tuck. "We are concerned that the new CAFE proposals will encourage auto manufacturers to build even bigger vehicles to avoid the new standards and thus undermine NHTSA's goals. We will be submitting detailed comments on this process as it develops." Contact: Jerry Martin, ARB, phone 916-322-2990, website http://www.arb.ca.gov. (EIN STAFF: 8/25) From john.bonitz at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 23:50:36 2005 From: john.bonitz at gmail.com (John Bonitz) Date: Tue Aug 30 22:50:14 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] making the switch Message-ID: <84a57a42050830195028723be3@mail.gmail.com> Hi David, Glad to hear you are making the switch! If you don't get many responses, there's lots of good help available through CCCC. The Diesel Tech class that started last week will give you access to shop time and folks who've already been burning biodiesel or have converted their cars with SVO kits. Rachel and Leif's Biofuels class starts next week or mid sept. It will give you a much better understanding of SVO versus biodiesel, so you can make a more informed choice. These classes are really inexpensive, and well worth the time. http://www.biofuels.coop/education.shtml Finally, joining the Piedmont Biofuels Coop is a great way to tap into a large pool of informed biofuels drivers. http://www.biofuels.coop/coop.shtml cheers! -- John Bonitz Silk Hope, NC From symon at safenet-inc.com Wed Aug 31 16:58:08 2005 From: symon at safenet-inc.com (Jim Symon) Date: Wed Aug 31 15:58:30 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What if petro > bio? Message-ID: <43160BD0.9040301@safenet-inc.com> What will happen if the price of petrodiesel goes above the price of biodiesel? I mean, like next week not off in some biogroupie wishful thinking future. Some predictions are for $4/gal gas at least temporarily because of Katrina, perhaps pemanently in the near future. I always figured the prices would converge years down the road more because of gradual biodiesel production cost reductions accompanying increased production and gradually increasing interest in diesels after the low sulfer change in 06. Instead it might happen before the biodiesel infrastructure is ready for a bunch of diesel drunks realizing that there is a lower cost alternative at hand. Bubbas, truckers, and trucking companies, etc. Railways? Shipping? Airlines? Power generation? Sounds wonderful but will our B100 spigot get snatched from us in a scarce supply environment? As a knowledgeable group will we suddenly get money thrown at us to expand our output? Will the price of B100 also go up because of the petroleum cost component? Because of high demand? How fast? Symon The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. From Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com Wed Aug 31 17:15:20 2005 From: Cheryl.Ganter at pgnmail.com (Ganter, Cheryl) Date: Wed Aug 31 16:15:01 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What if petro > bio? Message-ID: <354CA61AEBC6D944B4268F04D429FD863A7997@NT000836.oak.zone1.progress-energy.com> Goods questions. Gas prices jumped .50 a gallon in one day! I have a feeling we may get more members on board than we can supply fuel for. Sounds familiar. -----Original Message----- From: biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net [mailto:biofuels_interest_group-bounces@lists.emji.net] On Behalf Of Jim Symon Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:58 PM To: biofuels_interest_group@lists.emji.net Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What if petro > bio? What will happen if the price of petrodiesel goes above the price of biodiesel? I mean, like next week not off in some biogroupie wishful thinking future. Some predictions are for $4/gal gas at least temporarily because of Katrina, perhaps pemanently in the near future. I always figured the prices would converge years down the road more because of gradual biodiesel production cost reductions accompanying increased production and gradually increasing interest in diesels after the low sulfer change in 06. Instead it might happen before the biodiesel infrastructure is ready for a bunch of diesel drunks realizing that there is a lower cost alternative at hand. Bubbas, truckers, and trucking companies, etc. Railways? Shipping? Airlines? Power generation? Sounds wonderful but will our B100 spigot get snatched from us in a scarce supply environment? As a knowledgeable group will we suddenly get money thrown at us to expand our output? Will the price of B100 also go up because of the petroleum cost component? Because of high demand? How fast? Symon The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. _______________________________________________ Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group From stevenbaker at nc.rr.com Wed Aug 31 20:19:36 2005 From: stevenbaker at nc.rr.com (Steven Baker) Date: Wed Aug 31 19:19:07 2005 Subject: [Biofuels_Interest_Group] What if petro > bio? In-Reply-To: <43160BD0.9040301@safenet-inc.com> References: <43160BD0.9040301@safenet-inc.com> Message-ID: I heard someone in this group talking once about a million gallon facility. It would be awful nice if that were in place now, because things are changing much quicker than anyone could anticipate. The price we pay is reduced by the fact that the oil comes to us cheap; when demand grows for biofuel this will not last. There is only so much free oil coming from cafeterias and when the market shifts, we will be competing for this oil and all other veggie oil as a resource. I can see McDonalds selling McCookingOil! And the demand will shift. It is one thing for Willie Nelson and Daryl Hannah to be a bio-diesel fan because they can afford it and it's the right thing to do. It is completely different for the trucking industry to jump on board because there is very little risk and substantial savings to be gained. It would be interesting to know: 1. How many gallons have we produced and/or sold in the past month / year 2. How much could we increase our supply if we were pressed to do so? 3. What are the limiting factors? 4. How much commercial grade B100 can we acquire at current prices? 5. How much do we expect the demand to increase the price of commercial grade B100? 6. Is there any likelihood that these market changes could influence the political grading requirements that have such and influence on prices? For the moment, I think we should keep our heads down. But, it would be reasonable to invest heavily in our capacity. Steve On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Jim Symon wrote: > > What will happen if the price of petrodiesel goes above the price of > biodiesel? I mean, like next week not off in some biogroupie wishful > thinking future. > > Some predictions are for $4/gal gas at least temporarily because of > Katrina, perhaps pemanently in the near future. I always figured the > prices would converge years down the road more because of gradual > biodiesel production cost reductions accompanying increased production > and gradually increasing interest in diesels after the low sulfer > change in 06. Instead it might happen before the biodiesel > infrastructure is ready for a bunch of diesel drunks realizing that > there is a lower cost alternative at hand. Bubbas, truckers, and > trucking companies, etc. Railways? Shipping? Airlines? Power > generation? > > Sounds wonderful but will our B100 spigot get snatched from us in a > scarce supply environment? As a knowledgeable group will we suddenly > get money thrown at us to expand our output? > > Will the price of B100 also go up because of the petroleum cost > component? Because of high demand? How fast? > > Symon > > > The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be > privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your > computer without copying or disclosing it. > _______________________________________________ > Biofuels_Interest_Group mailing list > Biofuels_Interest_Group@lists.emji.net > http://lists.emji.net/mailman/listinfo/biofuels_interest_group > > Steve Baker 1502 Jones Ferry Rd. Chapel Hill, NC 27516 tel: (919) 960-5049 cell: (919) 593-7313 stevenbaker@nc.rr.com